Survivor News 50 Ep 9 Recap: Jack’s Beautiful Black Queens ft James Jones

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[00:02:24] Head over to the Bryce Isaiah YouTube channel, click subscribe, give this video a thumbs up, and let us know in the comments what you think about this week's recap. The baby boys have reunited. Wendell Jack and myself are back and we are joined by James Jones, the Survivor savant. Of Survivor Season 43. We are talking about this Jimmy Fallon twist. We're talking about Jeff stepping into the game.

[00:02:53] We're talking about who is the middle? Where is the claw? What is happening? So much to break down in this episode. So why wait? Let's get in to this week's Survivor News. Survivor News.

[00:03:36] What's up? What's up? We are back with your Survivor news covering Survivor Season 50, Episode 9, your favorite Survivors, favorite Survivor podcast. And we are joined by the man, the myth, the legend, Mr. Jack Atkins himself. You might know him from The Circle Season 2. Or more importantly, the floor is lava. Jack Atkins, welcome back. How you feeling? I'm feeling good, man.

[00:04:03] And I watched the episode this morning because I was busy last night. And I mean, always a treat to wake up and get to watch some Survivor. And I go online after I see it's very, it's a little controversial. Controversial. And I've got my thoughts. So I'm just really excited to be here with a great, with you and a great guest. And be, and talk about it. Because it's just kind of where everyone's head is at. I'm stoked. Yeah, we got a lot to get into. And of course, we have to introduce, there hasn't been a podcast this season

[00:04:32] that this man's name has not been mentioned. If you ever come into the city of Philadelphia and you're looking for a good happy hour, you're looking for a good food spot, the creator of good vibes only. Let's welcome back to the podcast, Mr. James Jones. Yo, thanks for having me, guys. Oh man, the superstar has decided to grace us with his presence. Like, this is a, like, we're thankful for your presence.

[00:05:02] You came in right at the right time, right when my introduction came. You know, I just appreciate you being here, Wendell. And, you know, your time to shine. It's good to see you, James Jones. Good to see you all. Well, the man, well, now that we got JJ, because I just said, you know, there hasn't, yes, JJ, this is his first time this season, but there hasn't been a podcast that his name has not been brought up. But let's also welcome back to the podcast,

[00:05:30] the first Merge Boot, the man that talks about people wearing cardigans. And then when you pull up to St. Louis, he wears a cardigan, the one and only Wendeezy Holland was popping with you. Oh, B. It's good to be here. Sorry, I'm outside of a coffee shop. I'm trying to link to my, the Wi-Fi and my phone. It's been a long day, but I got my matcha, so we're here. Oh, yeah.

[00:06:00] Is that Riz God behind you? I'm, Jack, I'm not doing this with you this episode. Could be. Just the haircut, just the haircut. Okay. For the review, it's not Riz God. Well, listen, we got a lot to get into with this episode, but before we get into the episode, what is it? Is it a, is it a pre-disclosure or disclosure? A disclosure. Disclosure.

[00:06:30] Disclosure before we get this episode, the baby boy, I'll say baby boys, Wendell and I, I'm running off of, 45 minutes of sleep. I don't know how long Wendell's working off of sleep. We just left St. Louis. The event was amazing. I tried to go to my hotel to go to sleep. Wendell wanted to stay up all night talking with people in the hotel.

[00:06:59] And so, you know, we had to leave, uh, to head to the airport, but we were in St. Louis last night. Shout out to everyone that was in St. Louis, uh, Jeff and pops, seafood, Tasha Fox, Scott and Lori. So many amazing people. So many squid games, but also a huge shout out to San Francisco. Our event last night in San Francisco, the Bryce and Wend's biggest event this season yet with the man, the myth Ozzy. Uh,

[00:07:29] so if you were in San Francisco, you know, you were in for a treat. The tour continues. We are on the road to 50. Uh, we are headed to Washington DC next week. So please get your tickets. And Ozzy is headed to Pittsburgh next week, April 29th. Get your tickets as well. So Pittsburgh, Washington DC, you are put on notice because last week we didn't mention a city and the way

[00:07:58] the comments was coming into my DMS talk about y'all still coming to St. Louis. I didn't hear y'all talk about it. So I want to make sure that we say we were where we are going. Also, we've got Austin and Chicago lined up on deck as well. As the finale in New York city, as well as the karaoke reality, karaoke, also Gabe's finale and Baltimore. So listen, as it's sad to say this,

[00:08:26] but as the tour or the road to 50 winds down, as we can see the light at the end of the tunnel, don't miss out on what has been such a spectacular event. Wendell Jack texted me the other day, Chicago, you're put on notice. You looking for the baby boy. He may or may not pull up, but that's, that's, that's my plight. Price the wind 50 tickets below. Click the link at the link in this bio.

[00:08:55] And, Oh, I need to know what the baby boys are feeling like for this episode nine. Okay. Jack, you want me to go? Okay, sure. Uh, I thought it was a mid. Ooh, I said it. I mean, mid in what way? Like, I mean, I felt like from the start of the episode, we kind of knew where potentially the votes were going.

[00:09:24] And if you watch survivor news, our pre-assessment on this season, Jack Atkins had Mr. Christian Hubicki as his winner pick. And I was like, ah, I don't know about that, Jack. However, I'm being honest this season. By episode three, I said, damn it, Jack, Jack's going to win. Jack is going to win. Cause Christian Hubicki has been doing his thing.

[00:09:52] And so I just felt like the target was on his back. The saxophones were playing all episode. And I, I don't know. I just, I thought it was mid. I mean, way better than Zach Brown, but I don't know. But listen, that's my take. Jack, where, tell us what's up. So, you know, I love some Christian Hubicki.

[00:10:21] One of my all time favorites, but as you know, despite the fact that he went home, I still really enjoyed the episode. I thought Jeff's participation at the challenge. I actually thought it was really fun. I thought the journey was really fun. Just like, you know, as the journey itself. And then the whole controversy comes into it with this twist. And I go on Reddit after I watch and everyone's like up in arms about Christian was robbed. Christian was screwed over.

[00:10:51] And my hot take is now, I think there was a, I got one thing that I think they did him a little dirty, but my hot take is I don't really think he was like screwed over. I don't really think anything. The only thing I didn't like was that he had to tell the whole trade, like read the notes of the whole tribe, but I don't think it was unfair that he had to like vote for himself. And then there was a, everyone was like, so up in arms about it. So it was like the least fair thing ever. Now I totally understand Christian being upset. Cause yeah, it's, it's an annoying position to be in,

[00:11:20] but I mean, we can, we can dive more into it, but it's like, you know, you I'm, I've sort of flipped now over to your side of, on this debate, Bryce, where it's survivor 50. You've seen the things they've been throwing out there in the unexpected nature of the game. So when you volunteer for a journey, you can't really be surprised when maybe the outcome is a little bit unfair. It's kind of what you sign up for. And also hot take.

[00:11:49] Now Christian is one of the smartest people to ever play survivor, but you know, and I saw a lot of people weighing like the, the risk versus the reward of this challenge was not equal, but I also think it was a challenge that was designed to be one, a good majority of the time. Like, I don't think it was that, you know, minus all of the pressure and stuff that I think is what caused Christian to fail. I don't think it was that difficult of a challenge.

[00:12:15] I think most of the time he wins and we're not even having this debate about like how unfair it was. So that's kind of my, again, I think the biggest faux pas was him having to like tell everyone on the tribe that he now has to vote for himself. I think that was kind of messed up because we, you know, I'm all about like the, like the precedents that have been set and that usually you go on a journey, you can lie about whatever happens, but I don't think him having to vote for himself was that bad of a punishment. Um, given the circumstances and,

[00:12:43] and I'll add real quick. I'll add, again, I love Christian. We could go back to some of his earlier moves this season. I don't think he was playing the best game. So this was him going home was not all because of this twist. And I'm sad. He went home, but like, you know, when you go to Sari and target her number one, it's not the twist fault. That was sloppy. That was sloppy. I mean, at the end of the day, I love Christian Hibiki.

[00:13:12] That's my guy. He works at a FAMU FSU college engineering. Shout out to the Rattlers. Shout out to the Knowles. I'm a Rattler. I would like to say, you didn't go to Drexel. First off, I'm like, I'm a great liar. Like it's, it's amazing how good I can lie. But what I will say is I do not, I think you, when you volunteer to go on a journey, you volunteer for the worst possible things and the best possible things to happen to you.

[00:13:41] And I think this is indicative of the position that he was in. I will say Bryce that I thought this was one of the more entertaining episodes of the season for me watching survivor from a strategy point of view. Why? Cause you get to see Sari work her social magic. You also see, I taught this guy up enough, but I don't want to say Rizzo and Sari play a very similar game from a communication standpoint. And I figured that they will be great.

[00:14:11] Like when you watch this show now, and I know half the people on the Island now, and like, you kind of get, you kind of get see where people kind of come from. And what you're seeing here is, I think this is brilliant is there's one group that keeps saying there's the other side. Who do y'all think is feeding the other side? Like you have to read between the lines there. Like think of like, Oh, those people are so stupid on that side. No, people are out there actively giving them the other, that there is another side.

[00:14:40] There is people that are attacking them on the other side, appealing to them. And that's how you get Jonathan on your side after taking out coaching Chrissy. And they're not even worried about you. Why? Because there's another side. Brilliant survivor play. And we'll go and get into it, but also Sari just putting out those little nuggets for the next vote to keep herself safe. Like this is like you take out your one target. Now a new target pops up, but that's great.

[00:15:08] Cause you can sit this around a new target. So now your old target can go. It's just this brilliant game of survivor that's going on that. I enjoy watching it. I just hope you are too. Sorry, Bryce, but when you rewatch and dig into those looks and cranes, you can be like, Ooh, Ooh. No, I hear you. I think again, we're all over the place. So that's where we just want to go. One thing that stood out for me the most was that like Sari fields.

[00:15:37] And so y'all know I could harp on Sari all day, every day. It is. I think it was at one point in time when Sari was in a confessional and she was talking about her position. And I think it was when she was talking with Joe and Ozzie and Sari states, Hey, I'm my, my, my, my core is Rizzo and Ozzie. However,

[00:16:02] I'm also working with the cloth and I'm also working with Joe and Aubrey and Tiffany. Right. And it's just like, well, damn, who else is there left? Right. And so it's like, again, it just, Sari is in the best position that I think. But I also think that this episode for me, I think last week, Jack, when we were talking, JJ, I'm not sure if you listened, we,

[00:16:30] we talked about everyone kept saying the middle, the middle, the middle, who was the middle. I feel like this episode. And again, I'm, I'm loving the edit because if you are following the edit as to what they're putting down, they put these questions out. And then I feel like Jack, they revealed them because I felt like this episode, they really revealed to us who actually is the middle. And in my opinion, it's Tiffany and Aubrey are the middle. And again, we kind of,

[00:17:00] we don't see this episode where Tiffany goes, but we kind of also see Aubrey say, listen, times is getting tough. In my opinion, Aubrey was like, you know, if I was a mother and I had kids and I got laid off from my job and I have no way to make income, but I know I got this body. And so I felt like, oh, I felt like, oh, I've just felt like, you know,

[00:17:30] sometimes you got to use what you got to get what you want. And so we see that Aubrey is like, listen, my skin might match, but Aubrey, like I ain't a part of the cloth, but I'm gonna go with the cloth and I'm not mad. And so I just, I feel like there was so much that we just got revealed this episode. Oh, a lot of brilliant stuff going on. Welcome back, Wendell. Welcome back, my guy. Um, I mean, are we going to go through the episode?

[00:18:00] Cause I don't want to talk too much. I want to kind of dig into it. Cause there's so much good stuff going on this episode. I, I was like one of my favorites. Like, it's not like exciting, razzle dazzle, but like the actual survivor gameplay, because, because the kind of sides have been a mystery. Like there's so many people like who's with who, who is Tiffany friends with? Why were everybody afraid to put her name down? Great social game, Tiffany, by the way, just like being able to be a backup vote and then not a vote again. That's just magnifique.

[00:18:30] Just great gameplay, great social game. Just highlight that by the way. Um, but it's so much good stuff happening in this episode that I'm loving. So, I mean, let's get into it. I mean, you know, well, Bryce, Bryce and Wendell, I'm curious. Cause James and I sort of sounded off on this Jimmy Fallon twist. And I, Bryce, I know you thought the episode was pretty mid. Do you feel like you thought that because you thought the twist, like you, cause you didn't like the twist or you thought it was unfair or was it just other factors for you?

[00:18:59] Wendy Z, what's your thought? I think I didn't, a couple of things. One, I didn't love that. It was Christian that got the brunt of this twist. Um, two, I thought that it was an unfair, unfair balanced twist. I think Jack, like you said, with the, with the puzzle, when I'm looking at it, I'm like, man, I'm going to jigsaw puzzles. I feel like I should be able to do it in that amount of time. Christian didn't, didn't do it, but the risk versus reward again, it's like, not only do you have to vote for yourself, which is crazy to me,

[00:19:28] you have to announce it. So you can't, you can't even find a way to maneuver when you get back. So I just think that that was a, and yes, it is season 15. We've seen like the blood moon and we've seen double boots and all that stuff. I just think that it's, uh, I think it was too, too much of a punishment for this journey. So not a big fan of it. I guess my take is at the start of the season,

[00:19:55] y'all say us in the hands of the fans and every episode we've been saying the hands of the fans are Jeff. And we clearly see that because in this season, we see that Jeff is a rapper. Jeff is a haikuist. And now Jeff is Jeff want to be an episode challenge. Put Jeff on a challenge next season, because at this point we know Jeff wants to play. But when Jeff brought in the twist of, and I went on the Jimmy Fallon show and Jay,

[00:20:25] where roll the clip, Jeff, where's the clip of that episode. And now is it in the hands of the fans or is it in the hands of a poll of Jimmy Fallon? And so I'm with the people on Reddit where it's like, I'm not mad at Jimmy Fallon, I get, I, I, I like the twist. Y'all right. Well, Bryce, who knows survivor better than the seat fillers at, at Jimmy Fallon tonight show.

[00:20:53] Cause I'm trying to figure that out because again, now it's in the hands of Jeff. Now it's in the hands of the fans. And now if you happen to be on Hollywood Boulevard on a Thursday night at six o'clock and you want a piece of pizza and 75 cents, now you can weigh in on my favorite show in the world. However, I'm not mad at the twist. I also felt like the last time we saw Sari play went out in an unprecedented way of,

[00:21:22] she went out with no one voting for her. And so again, with a legendary season, I like the fact, I don't like the fact, but I did think it was so interesting that Christian went out in his hands, right? He had to vote for himself. So like, I didn't love it. And right. Go on a reward. It's either going to help you or hurt you. We've seen this challenge before. So it hurt my heart. But again,

[00:21:47] I'm loving this season because even when somebody goes that I don't want to go, I want it to hurt. Well, Bryce, I did see, I think I did see that Jimmy Fallon episode with Jeff and did you, I mean, they were there. No, no, I watched it on. I watched it on. I watched the clip. Um, I think what happened was, I think Jimmy was like, Jeff, I've always said this, Jeff. Yeah.

[00:22:16] I think that you should play. You should play sometime. And then he was, and then he was like, what do you, what do you guys think? And the audience was like, Whoa. And then Jeff was like, I gotta do, I gotta do one of these challenges. Um, so kind of misconstrued. I, I, I kind of liked it though. Like, no, wait, it's all like a different side of Jeff. That was like really loose and like just fun. But also, it was cool to see him compete. Yes. It was cool to see him compete. It was different.

[00:22:44] Thing of the episode was Bryce Isaiah had a cameo. Nobody want to talk about that. When they, when Jeff is doing a challenge and he is like, I deserve it. They start showing clips of Jeff going off. And if you slow, just get on windows,

[00:23:13] home internet and watch it. Okay. And there was the Luzon tribe doing our first tribe. And if you slow, and if you zoom in and pan to the left, you can see my hand.

[00:23:42] I did enjoy Jeff participating. I did enjoy seeing him being like, Jeff having a, Oh shit moment. Like, Oh, this is hard. I mean, I don't know why Jeff, I don't know how much water was in Jeff's thing either. You know? Like, I mean, who knows if you like, I feel like it would have been better. If we just found out there was no water there. He really didn't want them to have rice. I feel like that had been like,

[00:24:11] like a super villain turn. Just to kind of just keep it moving this year. But I thought it was cool. He competed. Um, it is. I'm just not a big fan of these endurance challenges. Like, I feel like I want to get to challenges where people are like drawing lines and kind of making statements about other people. Like, like I like the lying game ones where you're like, Oh, who saw in the lie? I get like, get them interacting with each other and like drawing lines. Like I, I just was holding,

[00:24:40] I'm tired of seeing feet and hands, like feet and hands, feet and hands, feet and hands. Sorry. I'm tired of it. Sorry. Just me. Well, the good, the good challenges. I mean, we're, we're a decade past some of those, but I do agree. A good touch. And Bryce, as much as I liked watching Jeff, I do agree with the sentiment that when you talk about the hands of the fans and then you're like, well, the fans that Jimmy, my good friend, Jimmy Fallon asked a targeted question to said that I should play survivor sometimes. So then I was like, Oh, maybe I'll do the challenge to the big guys. right. It's like,

[00:25:10] you get, you guys decided this. No, not to mention he went down the floor. I'm going to force so quickly. Like it was, it was like, he was like, like they could have got them for two. Like, I feel like literally they should have just kept on going. Like, like that had been the battle. Like, yeah, that's a good point. Cause what if they were like, nah, Jeff? And he was like, so I can't play. And they were like, yeah, it's like, no, we want to, we want immunity. Jeff, like we need two immunities or something. We need three immunities. Jeff, what's going on? Yeah.

[00:25:40] Regardless. Right. So I agree with you so much on, on, on that sentiment that I might have to. Oh, I might have to take out my shirt. Stop playing. Come on. Where are these shirts coming from? Like, here's the, like Bryce is going to name it like this. Survivor immunity, immunity t-shirts. We're hooking it up with the fresh and crispy. Oh, wait. And we got the window.

[00:26:10] what is going on here? Yeah. See, I knew something was going on when we started the podcast and Jack was on time, ready to go. Screen, looking clear, looked like he took a shower. It was in the, like, like, that's every podcast. I'm screaming. Okay. Okay. W in the chat for Jack.

[00:26:41] But I'm going to save this for when, when Wendell says something. So I'm going back to the rest. Oh, they put my shirt back on. It's only because of the wifi. That's just because I'm hooked up to my phone. That's all. You sound fine. Wendell. Do I sound fine? How do I look? How do I look? You look good. You look a mess, but you sound fine. But also just because you're in a restaurant, just keep it on mute until you want to say something. But if you really zoom in, you might be able to see a Wendell hand kind of sneaking out.

[00:27:12] Much like Bryce in the episode, but no, but Wendell, you look and sound fine. Minus the, you know, the being in the coffee shop, but there's no lag or anything. Great. Well, I just got my matcha. So you said that at the beginning. Well, I got a new, a second one. This is Wendell's hand. I also think since we're just jumping around. Right. And I've been,

[00:27:41] I again, shout out to the people in St. Louis. They was asking where Jack was. Okay. They were, I had plenty of people. There was a posse member that said she had been going through postpartum depression. And she says something that has been getting her through is Jack not knowing the names of the songs. So while some of y'all don't like it. That's what I do it for. I do it for the moms out there. Jack is doing it for the moms.

[00:28:10] I got you guys. For me, I, I think, and I've been team Aubrey all day, right? Like I, it's her fourth time playing. And I think this was a pivotal move for Aubrey. Right. Again, we haven't been seeing Aubrey get any type of leverage in this game. She's kind of been playing with her back against the wall. She had an idol. They tell her to play the idol. She said, I forgot it. And it was the end of the world. And then she played it.

[00:28:38] And we saw they were still coming for her. But I, I think her connecting with Jonathan. And again, I think the way the editors are playing in our face, how was she talking to Jonathan? She was talking to Jonathan, how Christian was talking to Jonathan in episode three in the hammock at her. And like, you know, and it's like, I'm like, okay, Aubrey, like get in where you fit in. She was explaining to Jonathan, like, Hey,

[00:29:07] they've been saying I've been connected to Rick Devens. Cause we played the same season. Bitch, I forgot they played on the same season at this point. I wasn't even thinking of that, but like, I love just seeing Aubrey being like, okay, my back isn't so against the wall at this point. And now let me just, let me see what's up. Like, you know, I know the cloth will accept me, you know, I got the skin complexion. Let me just see.

[00:29:35] And so I'm not mad at it. Yeah. I think Aubrey, is in one of those good positions where she is very much good with everybody, but also within her Alliance, she has bigger targets in front of her being, Rick and probably Emily. I think that's just the, like the, the best place to be in the game is to have targets in front of you in your Alliance is the reason why, you know, Jonathan went home instead of a coach,

[00:30:04] why Chrissy was more threatening than Stephanie. Like when you had that person that for some reason is definitely going to be targeted before you, it just gives you a little more wiggle room. You also don't take the brunt of being the quote unquote decision maker of your Alliance. So Aubrey has a nice autonomy to, you know, she has luxury of being a number. So when you're looked at as a number, you know, in the beginning of the, of the merge, now you have the flexibility to be a number because people are looking for numbers in a type of game. People aren't trying to,

[00:30:34] you know, stay super loyal. People want to play with people, get to a majority for how the votes are going to go. So I think her and Tiffany are in a very kind of unique situation where they kind of are in the middle of the group, but there's a big middle. I think there's about seven people. And it just kind of depends on how everything shakes out. Like who takes the first shot. Yeah. And she Aubrey in the, we've seen in the past, you know, she's got a position.

[00:31:02] Sometimes she'll dig herself in a little bit of a hole, but then she's good at positioning herself sort of on the bottom and not being a target and then regathering and recalibrating her game to then have options. So it could be a situation now where people aren't really seeing her as a big threat next to a Rick or a Christian, or even an Emily who's a little bit more like just vocal about things. And then she's also got these connections with three. She goes and makes a connection with Jonathan.

[00:31:32] So it could be a spot where maybe she's off people's radar now, and she can kind of maneuver with a little bit more freedom. Yeah. I mean, those are the most dangerous people in the game for me. Certain people are always going to be targets, right? Like Jonathan, you can't go anywhere. Like, you know, Joe, is it going to go anywhere? Like literally Joe, two straight immunities, right? So you always have that kind of just looming over. And that's huge JJ, right? Like he just won two back-to-back immunities. He didn't sweat that last one. You saw him, you saw him, this little lean off pose. You saw that one?

[00:32:02] I saw the one. Yeah. The one arm. I saw the fire hose. At that point, I'm like, I mean, but Joe also is one of those great people. You may keep around to say, let Joe win the immunity. So I can vote off of our wonderful off. Cause Joe, isn't going to win the game. Like, so I mean, well, if it's the lines members in the jury, he has a chance, but it's like, it's kind of one of those things where it's like the most dangerous players now are like the Aubrey's. Like who's going to target Aubrey over the other players there.

[00:32:32] Like, and if she can stay in that position, she has a good path to that. And the question is how can she navigate that path and have a winning narrative? So the players that don't get targeted typically, okay, you're not a threat. So how does she navigate that part of it as she moves towards that? Let me tell you how she navigate. Go ahead, Wendell. No, I was just saying, I'm starting to look at all the players that are not the, like the legacy players and players that can sit next to each other to where it's like, all right,

[00:33:02] y'all are kind of similarly situated. Like, I feel like Emily Flippen is becoming this player who a lot of people want to sit next. Now we heard her name a little bit last episode, but like, I feel like people want to sit next to Emily. I feel like despite us seeing a really good edit from Rizzo, people want to sit next to Rizzo. And I think, yeah, I just think that there's a handful of people that do you, what do you, what do you think? I agree. Yeah. And so like you put, you put an Aubrey or a Tiff or like,

[00:33:32] we're seeing a lot out of Tiff. We're seeing more out of Aubrey. You put them next to these players. All right. And this is where I think, even a Jonathan, even a Jonathan, even a Joe, like, yeah, they are, they look like big targets and yeah, Joe just won two of them. But like, really there were two people in front of them on their own alliance that were bigger, like Chrissy, the brain and coach, the person that got a lot of screen time and did a lot of hakus. You know what I'm saying?

[00:34:01] Like out of their own alliance, people were bigger targets than that. Yeah. The way I'm looking at it now, uh, after this episode, right? Like Joe and Jonathan, in my opinion, they're the same person, right? Like, I feel like they, like if they were to go to the end, they would gather the same votes. Right. And so it's like, I almost knocked them out of it because, and now I'm looking at the people like Aubrey, like you said, JJ, it's like,

[00:34:31] how do you navigate to the end? How does someone like Aubrey or Tiffany navigate to the end? Like the dragon slayer, a couple of episodes ago, when they lost the member of the dark horses, they, they came and got Rizzo and said, Hey, listen, we need you in it. And now with Aubrey locking in with Jonathan, with Christian gone, what's Rick Devin's going to be doing now, right? He's going to be a target, but he's also going to be looking for a number one. And now that's,

[00:35:00] that's it. If Aubrey can't slide in there, Tiff can slide in there now. And now it's like, now their positions start. Do you want to be Rick's number two when he has a quote unquote idol finder and people are splitting votes with Rick? I mean, like it's kind of like, it's one of those things where, okay, Rick's still as idol, allegedly real, allegedly fake. Now there's, does Emily know that the idols are fake? Now that's question. She knows it's fake.

[00:35:27] How long before Emily starts spilling the beans to everybody, letting them know it's fake? Very self-interested player. What are y'all thoughts on this? Right. And this is where I want to give Stephanie. And I want to give Jonathan a little more credit. After last week's episode, we saw Stephanie. She ain't no, she's no secret to a good old internet rant.

[00:35:57] And she took the, her Instagram story. And she wrote, I knew it was fake. She, she finished all of her sentences. She said, I knew it was fake. I didn't want to give any pushback. And I wanted to go with the flow. And so when we're watching this episode, we don't see any of that. And if we know that Stephanie, Jonathan and Joe are locked in,

[00:36:19] I'm going to go on a limb and assume that she has told them that. And that they know that. And so for me, it makes me feel like they purposely did not target cousin Ricky because Christian was a bigger threat and they know he doesn't have an idol. And so I'm, I gotta, I gotta give it to the cloth because I feel like the,

[00:36:46] I feel like the cloth is about to do a two for one where it's like, they act like Rick's idol is real. They get rid of his closest ally. And then next week, Rick, they'll allow him to pretend like he had, like he could use the idol and they'll snipe him. And so like, I'm just saying like, I feel like the cloth might be working. Yeah. But I mean, yeah,

[00:37:15] I look, I think Christian was a good move for them. Um, but I must, I always take with a grain of salt when people are like, Oh, I, I knew that. It's like, I mean, you see it happen in the circle, for instance, where someone gets voted out and everyone's like, and then they have, they're like, Oh, Hey, I'm not actually Emily. I'm Jack. And everyone's like, I knew they were a cat. And maybe I'm a bad example. Cause I kind of blew it,

[00:37:44] but I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. It's like, you, you can admit you didn't know it. Um, can I throw a question out? Jack Kenny. All right. Here's my question. Um, going back to last week, Rick's move, finding this fake idol. What did, Oh, he said,

[00:38:14] Sari, a shit. Sari said, do it again. And Joe said, all right, sorry. Go ahead. But I'm just, that, that was a hilarious moment, but I'm just saying like now looking at this, like, bro, your theatrics got your right hand out of there. And it might have put such a target on you that you're out of there next. Do we think that was a good move?

[00:38:43] Do we think he should have saved that move? I feel like the writing was on the wall for that kind of group. The Emily, Rick, the Emily, Rick and Christian group kind of that they're operating kind of together and kind of about. It's clear. Tiffany isn't aligned with Emily. Right? So like, like, so survivor always shows you somebody that's trying to make a plan, but can't do it.

[00:39:11] Like as like the avatar of the fan. Right? So who has that person been this year? Well, it's the, it was Emily. I don't know. So it's like, not every time, but like an opportunity to kind of move votes. Like they always have someone as a red herring in the episode who isn't necessarily connected, but it's trying to make things happen. And I think what you see is that side is very disconnected where who is, who like, even like Jonathan has ends with like, you know, Aubrey,

[00:39:42] even Joe is joking with a Sari. Even Stephanie has a relationship with Sari. We don't see it on camera, but we know it's there. Right? So you have people that have relations with another side. Right? And on from the, you know, from that line side, I don't know if any one of those three people have a relationship with anybody over there in the cloth or like, you know, and you add Tiffany, that's four people that you don't have relationships with that you just as a negative starting base,

[00:40:10] which is easy for someone like Sari to work with. Cause you know, three, Sari and Rizzo are in the middle right there. So you have six, it's a numbers game right there. So you have four against you with six and Ozzie, that's seven. They have a built in seven as long as they want. Right? You know, so that's kind of, and that seven, Aubrey fits it right in there. That's eight. Aubrey makes that cloth for four, that's what's really happening in the game right now. But, you know,

[00:40:41] I think another person we are missing out of this conversation is Ozzie. And we've talked heavily on this season and podcast about Ozzie. He's being like, whatever Sari says, Oh, that was a good move. But I also think Christian going out, he, he made a huge blunder and the blunder, in my opinion, wasn't the puzzle. The blunder was as smart as Christian was for him to go to Sari and say Ozzie's name. It,

[00:41:11] for me, illuminates. Oh, well, Christian, Sari and Ozzie, they're not that tight. Right? Because like, he clearly does not know the dynamics because why would you ever say, first of all, why would you ever say Ozzie's name to me? Okay. I've seen him naked. Why would, don't say that to me. But what I'm saying is, is that I think the person that I, you know, I've been jokey, jokey with, I've been laying up in the bed with, I didn't, you know,

[00:41:41] pillow talk with, I didn't, child flipped it up and down. Okay. Okay. But what I'm saying is, I think Oscar, and again, Christian going out and being like, it's Oscar. And then when you do look, you continuously see, anytime the clock is meeting, Oscar pulls right on up.

[00:42:10] What are we talking about? Okay. We see Oscar with the Riz God. We see Oscar with Emily. We see Oscar with Sari. And I'm like, now, wait a minute. Is my man about to bring us a million dollars on? Because if you thought I flipped it and reverse it, cause y'all from an American birth fit. Y'all from an American birth fit. If it ain't perfect. I do my thing now,

[00:42:39] flip it and reverse it. Jack. What's the next line when DZ, he need a little more than that. It's nerve. I can't say it too loud. flip it and reverse it. Reverse it. Would you say right now, you're saying, it's great. Oh, go over it. Go away. Oh, cause, um, Bryce, what I think is, first of all, Ozzy is playing better than he's been playing. Like he is good.

[00:43:06] He's talking to everybody and he's diminishing. He's, uh, lowering his threat. But, but also what I extract from that, um, is maybe his relationship with Sari isn't as visible on the island as we see it. And, or maybe they're hiding it a little better. Um, and him going and getting in with the cloth and these other people and continuing to talk to the other people,

[00:43:33] make them feel like he's really like better with them and not as tight with Sari. So then you get a Christian running up on Sari talking about we need to get him out. So like, again, credit to Ozzy's social game this season. And, um, yeah, your man is doing well. But wait, Jack, is it worth it? Let me work it. I put my thing down. I know the song. I'm just trying to make sure. Y'all from in the minute. Y'all from in the minute. Work it. You got a big,

[00:44:03] let me search it. Find out how hard I got to work it. Y'all from in the minute. Work it. It's y'all from in the minute. Work it. You see these hits. You see these toes. Okay. Name the song. I definitely know the song. I know like I've heard the song many, many a time. Okay. artist. Can I get a multi, if I get a multiple choice, I'll get it right. But I just gotta. Okay. We'll give you a multiple choice. I have a guess.

[00:44:32] I have a guess off top, but I. Or. Or. We could give you another song. I can't stand the rain. No, no, no, no, no. That was a hit right there. Well, right. I was going to get it. That was a hit. That was a big hit. This is a different artist. Not for Jack. It's not a big pin for Jack. Jack, do you know this one? This is a different artist, but this is the artist you might know. Why would a different artist help me? Because it doesn't, it doesn't matter.

[00:45:02] Crispy chicken and lettuce. Fresh chicken. Uh, uh, crispy chicken. Fresh lettuce. Was that the subway anthem? Right up in a bun. No, Jack, it's good that you don't know this. You don't even need to know this one, but that's hilarious that you brought that up. Like, that's very. Jack always. Can I throw my shot? Can I give my shot in the dark to you, Bryce? Give it here. Is it Missy Elliott?

[00:45:32] Jack. Now, mind you, you was looking at you. I didn't cheat. I swear to God. If you are watching on YouTube, please. Yeah, but yes. Okay. But I, I heard that song so many times I could like picture. Like the vibe of the person. And I was, I was, it was just like, I think it's like, I knew it was like a beautiful black queen, but a little bit after the time. It was a little bit after,

[00:46:00] I think the time of like some of our usual ones, you know, that's the name of the episode, by the way, Jack Atkins, beautiful black queen. But it was, it was after like, she's, she was a little bit after like the Aaliyahs and like all that. So I knew it was a little more modern. So I was trying to, cause she also did like the, was this her? It was like, what'd you know about what's you, what'd you know about? I said, my lit boss is cool. Bitch, that's little mama. Wendell, Wendell, Wendell, please take it over. Jack had a W chat. Well,

[00:46:29] I knew it was all in that, in that era. Missy Elliott is before them. Missy is not. Yes. Missy is before them. Missy was while them. And then Missy just dropped a new song with Kehlani. But anyway, all right. We'll be back to Oscar. Kehlani is the voice on my Waze app. Oh, that's wild. You know, folded. Yeah. Say, say, say a lot. I'm trying to,

[00:47:00] it's like, so don't pick up. Oh, Jack, what is laying up with? Okay. Kehlani is modern. I know like modern music. I just don't know the stuff from when you guys were kids. So like, Jack, keep it, keep it up. Cute. Okay. Cause JJ and Wendell are twice my age.

[00:47:30] But Oscar, he doing his thing. He, I flip it around and reverse it. Oh, I see as the luxury of also being able to play a power game. It's like, he's not known for his strategy. Like he, he's not like, but he doesn't have to be like this whole thing about survivor. I think this is the new era, the Reddit era. Love y'all to death. Truth be told, but survivor really is about being on the island, connecting with people and building relationships. So they want to give you a million dollars.

[00:48:00] Ozzy feeds people underrated. Like if you get to the end feeding people, people do appreciate that. You know, like another benefit that Ozzy has though, with Joe winning two immunities back to back, it, it makes you almost forget that Ozzy, Ozzy ain't one to be played with in the immunity. So it like, in the words of James Jones, I don't have to say it cause he's here. It lowers your what James? Your threat level. But also,

[00:48:30] but also the thing about it is too, if Ozzy goes home, who's going to be Joe and John's in these challenges? The Riz guy? Stefan, what would you, first of all, first of all, first of all, wait, time out. Cause I love the Riz guy too though. But, did Jeff beat the Riz guy? Yeah. Yeah. Back to back game. Back to back. Back to back. Back to back. He's playing back to back. You know what I'm saying? I get it. You know, but it's like, so,

[00:48:59] but really. Cause Riz guy is probably what? 155, 160. The Riz guy is 110 soaking wet. Like 120 max. But realistically, like who's winning challenges outside of Joe and Jonathan? Like if Ozzy goes home, right? If you're not on Joe and Jonathan and Stephanie side, are you winning challenges? Well, let's, first of all, Tiffany. Okay. I was about to, Jack,

[00:49:30] Jack been bringing up black, beautiful Queens. Tiffany is a beast. Agreed. Yeah. Okay. Well, it depends on the type of challenges. Obviously these types of challenges are a Jonathan Joe special, but when they got to use their mind, I mean, I'm not, I'm, I just saw Christian, uh, kind of not pull through in a challenge or no puzzle challenge. Love my God to death. I just think we're talking about this.

[00:50:00] We need somebody to beat them in the physical challenge. If you don't have anybody physical, you may just be signing the trip for them to go deep, make it take a deep run. So you had to keep Ozzy in this game. Like, I don't think he's going home until Jonathan and Joe. Well, and coach going home was like the, I probably better for the best for Ozzy out of anybody. Cause that frees up all of the cloth types that want like that would get along with Ozzy. That maybe coach was kind of putting a barrier. The thing that scares me with the way that we're talking about Ozzy right now, and where we're like,

[00:50:29] he's so connected and his threat level is dropping. We see the cloth wanted to go after Rick, but they went after Christian. And so what I'm scared is if they want to take a shot at Ozzy, the real person they will be taking a shot at is Sari. They don't know he tight with Sari. That's the thing. It's like, it's kind of like they're going to take a shot. Sari's going to direct that shot at Emily flipping. You know, Emily is probably openly targeted. Jonathan hasn't had the conversation.

[00:50:59] Not to say that's a bad thing, but it's kind of how like the reason why she put the seed out there. Right. I'm willing to go this way. So she kind of threw a name out there in the group built a consensus enough. You have Tiffany that's willing to do that has strength to go X, Y, Z, like, so you, you're kind of giving people a path forward, right? With options. So if the cloth can see there are three making it two votes, Sari is your friend, right?

[00:51:28] If Aubrey and Tiffany go to more votes, Sari is your friend, right? And you have relations. There's no world. You have room to play the game within those relationships. You know, and depending on how much people in the cloth are willing to play, Sari may have Stephanie over Jonathan. And so like, you don't know how these votes are going to go, but what you do know is Sari is laying a very equitable path where you get to the next two votes. And that path is Rick Devens and Emily flipping. If you have confidence in yourself as a survivor player,

[00:51:57] which everybody else there does, because if I can get through the next two votes with this cast of characters around me, I feel like, you know, I have, you know, some wiggle room. I think everybody thinks that. So I think that's what the plan is. And I don't know if it would go that way, but I think that's the game that she's selling. That's the game that's Rizzo sells is that, Hey, we can just keep whittling the people down and keep the people that we can work with. Cause we're great survivor players.

[00:52:23] I do want to circle back to Wendell's question about Rick and his idol. When did Wendell, when did Wendell talk? This was all fair. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. That was all fair. It is a good question. And look, I'd see as the thing, I think it's an interesting conundrum for in Rick's shoes of being like, I'm worried at last travel. I'm worried. I'm in danger.

[00:52:51] Do I take a big swing that could save me now and really make me a big target the rest of the game? Or do I just like hope that the numbers work out? And then that coaching Chrissy go home without me doing anything. And then my target level is still a little bit, you know, lower, but you could go out without even like taking that swing. So that's why I lean towards like, if you, if you have the heat and this is why I love Rick as a player is like, he's going to take the shot, even if maybe it's not the best for his game. Uh,

[00:53:21] he's going to go for it and deal with the repercussions later. But I was going to ask you a question. Sure. If Rick doesn't go for the idol, what stops Christian from going from the idol this go around? And what people more likely believe Christian in the sense that I went on this, I went on a journey. I lost my vote, but also got a clue. So I don't know if it's a good question. I don't know if Christian would even be a target this round. If Rick and Aubrey went home.

[00:53:48] And I don't think that Christian, no, I'm just saying if Rick didn't go for the idol, they said Rick wasn't, they said Rick wasn't a target in their world, but he may have been, if they don't, if that was just sitting there and Christian picks it up, this tribal, you think he makes it through? I don't think there was ever a world that Christian was ever going to get that idol. I think that Christian participated in the idol to help his alliance and to hopefully benefit from Rick doing that. I think there was a world. I think he, if, I think if one of them need the first one of them that needed it,

[00:54:18] they would go for it. So no, I think that could have happened. And Rick was, and, and Rick just had an opportunity. So he was like, I'm going to just go for it. I'm going to make my moment. And also, I, well, the last like factor in this whole debate though, I do, I was sort of surprised in Joe sort of embodied this of like how almost like offended some people were about how Rick went and got the idol. I was like, there were like, he was just so flashy about it.

[00:54:47] It's like he went and he got the idol and saved himself. Like in all the theatrics, it's like, this is survivor 50. What, what do you expect him to do? Just, and you, it's like, and Joe was having this whole debate. It's like, Joe, from what we can tell you were voting for him. So all the other shit aside, it's like, you're like, he just was like rubbing it in. He was really, he was, Joe was like, I wasn't voting for him. It's like, yeah, you were. Now, now Joe, like he had to do it.

[00:55:15] Everyone's like so up in arms about the fact he has a little bit of flair to his game. It's like, are you watching the show? Don't you want survivor to give us the receipts? Now, wouldn't that make, wouldn't it be crazy? There was like an after show with the real receipts. Like everybody's saying, Oh, I thought this behind the paywall and Monday, Monday morning at 10 a.m. survivor drops in receipts. But do we even need the receipts? We don't need the receipts. Joe said on principle, I can't vote for coach. Okay.

[00:55:44] So you didn't want to vote for culture. Chrissy. Who else were you going to vote for? We know Joe was doing. And that I'm with you, Jack. That is the part that kind of pissed me off. Now, don't get me wrong. I was with him. Cousin Ricky did a lot, but my God today, his back was against the wall. It's season 50. And for me, it's like, he proved your point. Y'all are mad. He played y'all. And that was my other like issue with the episode of like, Jonathan,

[00:56:14] Stephanie, and Joe of being like, you ain't even tell us. Bitch is survivor. 50. Yes. I'm going to keep something. But look at their archetypes though. The archetype of players are not like the players. Like they aren't the players that are cool with the whole, like, you vote me out or you lie to me. And we're still Kiki and afterwards. Like I respect part of that. Like where it's like, you can't just play in my face 24 seven,

[00:56:44] like on the Island. You can't vote out my, my ally. And we think we're like number ones. Like, I feel like that's the new. Yeah. Get the wall. And then they make a move to save themselves. It's like, yeah. Like, yeah. Like, was it Joe or who was it? I was like, I didn't even know about it. Let me tell you. Let me tell you something. I don't travel to try to say, but I just wanted to let you know in advance. It's not real. Feel free to vote for me.

[00:57:13] I won't be mad. But I think gentlemen, I think you're like, I'm sorry right now with Joe. Go ahead, Wittesee. I just think that, um, I think Rick could have been smoother with it. Cause when you, if you're known for the theatrics and you do the theatrics, like we said, like he made a beeline to it, tossed a couple of rocks, pick that thing up. And he was poking his chest out and everything.

[00:57:42] And if I compare this to like a Tony and winners at war, Tony, the whole first, like whatever to everyone nose down. Huh? That's the only time you saw Tony. What's crazy is Bryce. You played on his season, on his first season. You never saw him. That's the craziest part. That's true. Now, you saw him at that challenge where he was on the screen. I met him at the reunion.

[00:58:13] Yo, that's wild. But what I'm saying is, and like, when you have it in, everyone knows what Rick Devens does. When you have it in you, sometimes you got to change you. You're everything about you to pull this thing off, to keep this thing moving. So in his case, yo, don't, don't say it with all the bravado. Say like, I think he got, he got to, but he got to scare them. You got to scare those fools. You got to deal with the blowback. You can't be cool with everybody.

[00:58:42] You can scare them, but you can scare them even more by humbly like, I think it's, I think it's finding that thing and sitting with it. I'm pushing back. Y'all posse. I know Wendell is talking, but I got to push back because here's my issue with this, this whole Rick Devens thing. In my opinion, I know cousin Ricky. I don't think Ricky was that. Over the top. I think if you know Ricky,

[00:59:12] he a little awkward, he a little clumsy. I think he handled it relatively well. This is what I will relate it to. I relate it to me as a gay man. If I speak up on something and I'd be like, Jack, why did you do that? I didn't like that or something. And then they'll be like, Oh, Bryce was so sassy. He was. And it's like, for real, for real. All I said was like, yo, don't do that.

[00:59:39] And like y'all receive it as don't do that. Like that. That's how like, I, I don't, in my opinion. I feel differently. I feel differently. I see where you're coming from. Right. I think a lot of times in survivor, when you exude confidence at a time when people are not confident, it's not about, it ain't about you. It's really about the situation when people feel a certain type of way. And what we try, what we like to do as people that watch the game and say,

[01:00:08] you can't feel that way in survivor, but in survivor, people feel people are, well, they may not be as hungry. So you have to manage as much as you need to manage the people and how, how they, you can't assume everyone else is going to see things where you see the things. So me going on the show, I can come off real cocky, right? I can think I'm not cocky, but I can come off that way. Right. Y'all know me. I'm chilling. We saw you during that block challenge. James, we saw you during that block. Well,

[01:00:38] the one I, the one I want, the one I almost want. Did you win it or almost win it? I mean, I finished my portion. I finished my portion in records. It wasn't an individual immunity. Like I don't look at things that way. When it was time to do the puzzle, I got the puzzle done. It was chilling for like 20, 30 minutes. Yeah. But the other teams were doing, I don't know. You can't refer to that as the one you won. Yo, man, yo, man, yo, if coach can be coach, I can win. I can win that challenge,

[01:01:08] yo. Like, here's the deal. People make up, he has a slay in one dragon, but he goes with the dragon slayer. Like, in the Amazon, you don't know what happened. Like, ain't no, ain't no Jakar, there's nothing happening. So if I say I won that box challenge, where, where we whooped everybody's butt, but for that little pole thingy, you know, I would say that. I hear, I hear you though, Bryce. It's sort of like Rick's reputation precedes him. And people are like, you putting that on him. I do, I do think though, like knowing Rick, it wasn't,

[01:01:38] he could have even amped up the theatrics more, but I also hear what Wendell's saying of, you know, look, you could, you could just, he, he like puts on a show. You can not say shit. You go move the rock, you grab it and you sit tight and let everything else unfold around you. And people are going to be like, what just happened? You're just like, I don't feel great. Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. If Rick Devens during that tribal y'all was like, and Jeff was like, and so what do you think Rick? And Rick was like, and y'all know Rick Devens.

[01:02:08] What? What? What? What? What? I, I think I didn't, I didn't have the opportunity to go get the idol. No, I'm not saying he said, say all the same things and like act scared, but I didn't mind how he, there's a happy medium. Say nothing. Grab it. And everyone's gonna be like, what just happened? You'd be like, you put it together. Like, and that's what he did. Relook at it and look at,

[01:02:37] look at his first season. He can go look at when, uh, when Ron Clark tried to do embarrassing, like Rick can get some bravado and talk his talk. And if my memory serves me correctly on last episode, he was puffing his chest out a little bit. He grabbed that thing without really looking for us. He grabbed that idol without really looking for it. Sometimes that's what you gotta do. Sometimes you just gotta grab it. Okay, Bryce. Um, I'm just saying,

[01:03:07] I'm not saying like, I'm not saying, not saying anything at all. I'm just saying like, yo, just tone it, like, tone it down. But here's the thing. No matter what he does, he's gonna, like those three people, just like, it's gonna like, like, like those, like no matter, depending on how the game circumstances going, the game you want to play, how you're playing, no matter what I did or whatever, whatever Rick does, no matter what he did, if he got the idol and did nothing, it's just still, the people that are, were mad at him.

[01:03:37] We're going to be mad at him from a tribe standpoint. If you're going to, if they're talking about it and you're talking to Joe and Joe's opening up, you're going to, that's, that is survivor one-on-one. You're not gonna be like, I ain't feel this type of way. You go on. Do what three did like, yeah, that was funny, blah, blah, blah. So it's like, those people are going to be offended regardless. Cause they had to vote off their people. I'm like, if they didn't have to vote their people, Aubrey and Rick would be outside and they may have some more bravado. And then Christian and Emily made for some type of way.

[01:04:05] Cause Joe and coach and them are walking around camp. That's just the game. Everyone's going to feel some type of way. I'm talking about some simple damage control on the front end. That's all I'm talking about. And we saw it in all the confessionals at the beginning of this episode. Agree. What, what? I think it's both. I think it's both. Here's what I will say that. I feel like nobody is saying it. Yes. Rick and Christian or working together. And because of what are y'all, whatever y'all say of cousin Ricky's.

[01:04:36] Burrado was a little too much. Hear me out. Hear me out. His burrado getting rid of his closest ally of him playing them working together. How much does it really hurt cousins?

[01:04:55] How much does it really hurt cousins? Ricky game. He's a bigger, million dollar payoff. He's a bigger threat. Agreed.

[01:05:25] And I think the one thing makes him a bigger threat. Oh, no, I think. Quickly. Sorry. All right. I just think Bryce, it makes him a bigger threat and it puts him in front, even more so glaring in front of other people that should be. So like, why is Ozzy still in the game? Like it puts him in front of people that should be clearer threats.

[01:05:50] So I think it's a bad decision because it highlights him so much more. And I keep bringing it back to winners at war and winners at war. I'm not trying to sit. And I'm not trying to have you'll part, all these people that are the staff, like the, the legends. I'm not trying to have them get anywhere near the end. So we're getting them out of here. So we is making her way. Like, why is Rick a bigger threat than Sari right now? And, and that's what I'm saying.

[01:06:20] If he could survive another vote, all of those things that you just said still exist. And we have a Emily flipping that stay flipping. We like, there are still ways that he, again, I'm with you. Right now it's not working out for him, but at this point, respectfully, Wendell, this isn't winners at war. And Rick Devens has preceded you, right? So, wait, repeat everything.

[01:06:49] I said, respectfully, Rick Devens isn't you. And this isn't winners at war. And where Rick Devens currently is, you are looking from the outside and can't get in because you are watching the tribe. Do you remember his first season? We're not talking about that. He's a good friend of mine. He's a good friend of mine. Yeah. He's a good friend of mine. That's not the way to look at it. I mean, that's not the way to look at it. Look, I think I agree with Wendell, but I also, I'm going to take,

[01:07:19] I don't know if this is some, uh, JJ side. This might be from the school of James Jones of, I think you compare the threat perception with the threat reality. And at some point when it's someone like a Rick is perceived as a huge threat in actuality, they're not really a threat. Where did Bryce go? It was just me and Jane. At some point, at some point when someone's such a big,

[01:07:49] like a perceived threat in reality, they no longer are that big of a threat because if everyone's looking at them as a threat, it's like, well then we can get them out whenever. So that's not the actual threat, the threat of the people that are a little bit sneakier, a little bit subtler. Um, now Rick has created a lot of enemies. He still could be in some trouble, but I do think that when you are such a big threat and then you have a Saree and you have other players looking at you like, well, maybe I can keep him around. That could actually be a good, a good spot for you. It's more of like the,

[01:08:18] like someone like a Christian who is currently perceived as like a middle to higher level threat. And everyone's like, okay, he's not the top threat, but he's a little bit below that. That's the prime target. In reality, he's actually the biggest threat, but then you have this like whole weird elasticity of the threat level, where if you realize that everybody looks at Christian like that, that he really is no longer a threat because he's about to get out. Um, so it's just sort of like the constant shifting of threat levels. But I think like a Rick,

[01:08:47] if you position yourself as the quote unquote biggest threat, people now might, like you said, Bryce have this mindset of like, we can get Rick out another time. You know, there's other threats that are less obvious that we need to address. Um, and again, I think now he's sort of running out of allies, like Aubrey sort of jumped ship a little bit. Uh, Emily is a little all over. Um, so he could still be in some trouble. Um, but I think it, in the average season of service now that the problem is when you're this

[01:09:15] level of a threat with 11 people left, it's a lot more difficult to maneuver than if you have like six people left. Um, but yeah, I mean, I think what this season is, I was interested in the season before is it. It's like threat level is what people perceive when the highlight is not what we are viewing or like what players represent reputations are. Right. At the end of the day, it's like how players view each other is way different than kind of how kind of the fans view it.

[01:09:43] But also just from like the actual game, like, like is, I equated to like survivor players look at these fire players as regular people. Like when they out on the Island, like they, they take their fan caps off when they go hit the beach. Does Rizzo? I mean, Rizzo has voted out coach. He didn't, he didn't give coach a heads up. He didn't say, Hey, dragon slayer. We're going to vote you out. He just voted the dragon slayer out. Like Rizzo is the perfect example of like,

[01:10:11] he's a person from a threat level because he's younger because he does, he's perceived, he's not perceived as someone that is threatening, but we know he can make any type of move in the game and cut anybody off at any time. Right. And you can't say that about certain people who refuse to write other people's names down in their alliance. So at the same time, how people on the beach are framing a threat is interesting. Emily flipping threat. But think about that.

[01:10:39] That aligns with the cloths who, who are, we're on our, we are honor and integrity. Oh, Emily's a flipper. We can get her out. Rick is a flipper. We can get her like, like framing the argument to the versus the enemy. Right. To keep them on your side. This is like, it's a narrative war in the war of narrative. Sheree is winning it right now. I have a question, but what were you going to say something to Wendell?

[01:11:10] No. My question is, let's talk about Jonathan for a second. How many times have we heard? How many times have we heard his name come up? And again, with Joe winning. And Jonathan available for the vote. And I don't know if,

[01:11:37] is it just us as viewers where it's like the Jonathan is, Jonathan is the cloth. Me as a viewer, I'm thinking Christian is like, are those three votes targeting you, Bryce? Say, say that again. Are those three votes targeting you? The cloth. But that's, that's what they're thinking on the Island, right? So, so those three votes are blocked. Right. But yeah, but if we,

[01:12:07] because here's my thing, I think where Christian went wrong was saying Ozzy's name. I want to know if Christian said Jonathan's name. Whose voting block is stronger? Christian voting block or, or, or, or John is voting block. I'm asking that question. We could, I think Rick Devins could have got on that. I think Ozzy could have got on that. I think Emily flipping could have got on that. The question was answered. People were asked, do you want to play with the claw, Stephanie,

[01:12:36] Jonathan and Joe, where you know exactly where they're going to be at. Or do you want to play with Christian, Rick, Emily, and quasi Aubrey into the, in the, in the, in the ethos of the tribe has spoken who they wanted to play with. That's what the vote last week was. Well, I think it's a valid question from Bryce. I think, I think you're generally on the nose about it, James of, I mean, you see this a lot in modern era where, where there's these different factions.

[01:13:04] And once you kind of cut the head off of one, people turn to the other. But what, what you cut the head off of? Chrissy. The head off the cloth last week. And now it's like, all right, now we're going to, I know what you're trying to get, but, but, but now you've sort of, um, cut the cloth down at the knees a little bit. So people are like, okay, we know what Jonathan and Joe and stuff. We kind of know where they're at. We just weakened them. Now we got to turn to, okay, there's Christian, Rick,

[01:13:34] Aubrey, and Emily. That's a really strong contingency. It makes sense. So then level that down a little bit. It's just sort of a natural level. Attentions will probably next week turn to like, what's going on. Like people at some point are gonna be like, what's going on with Sari, Ozzie and Rizzo. What's, once again, what's going on with Joe? Joe and, Joe and Devin's have beef. You keep the beefing people there. They're never going to be on the same page. Rick and Joe will always be beefing. So you have the claw versus Rick side, whatever Rick side is.

[01:14:02] So that's always going to be going down and you can stay in the middle as long as possible. And at some point, that's a bar. Keep the beefing people there. That's like great strategy. That's like brilliant. Yeah. If they sufficiently cut down, like say they get Rick out next week, then maybe they're like, Emily's next week. Well, say Emily's next week. Then they might be like, okay, well, we kind of know where Rick's at now. Maybe we go for a Joe or a Jonathan. Cause now that's a three, you know? But again, maybe I'm an old school player,

[01:14:31] but I remember the days when we would target the physical threats. So they can't go on these immunity runs to the end. And so that happened. There's only three of them out there left. And respectfully, Bryce, you're from a different era. I'm from Jack's era. I mean, like no one cares about me anymore. Like, but you should, you should. But I'm not, but Rizzo is my point though.

[01:15:00] Like we're not looking at Rizzo to win, but in, in this type of situation, but when you have the cloth that can, a lot of the reason why the cloth can stay, the cloth is because they have someone in the cloth that can win the immunity to take the pressure off of them. Let me talk to you real quick, Bryce. Talk to me. You're looking at the cloth. Like we were looking at Joe and Eva last year. Right? these like, like, yes, they're a strong, tight, tight trio. That's very much great.

[01:15:29] No one on that Island that's playing the game cares. Like literally they are a, they are a group of three, a group of eight that at any point, logical players being any combination of those players have a majority of eight will vote those three out the game. No matter what, like that. Well, there's also to your point, Bryce of, cause I totally agree. If someone's like really playing a killer game and winning challenges, that's a threat you got to snip. But I think a lot of people are probably like a Joe and a Stephanie.

[01:15:59] I actually would want to sit with them. So I don't really care if they win the challenges. Would you though? With look at the jury. Yes. Like the cloth is on the jury too. I know. No, it's true. But I think, no, Jonathan, I would be concerned about, but this is why. I don't, you listen to Jonathan or Joe, Joe. Jonathan is more of a threat to win than Joe. Well, if Joe gets to the end, think about how Joe had to get there. What?

[01:16:28] You had to probably win a ton of immunities. And he's cut somebody right now. I'm not, when I'm looking, if I'm in their shoes and I'm looking at right now, I'm not then thinking about, well, if Joe does get to the end, how would he have had to get there? I'm just thinking about like right now, and this could change as you go, but it's like right now, Jonathan's I think is more of a threat to win than Joe. Joe is like, has more beef with people. He's not playing as actively. So Joe wants to win challenges. And like, I'm going to say it's not as big of a concern. If,

[01:16:56] if like Christian had started winning a bunch of immunities and you're like, well, he's already a threat. Then yeah, that's, then you have to be like, well, we got to. And then Jonathan, again, I think he's playing a better game than people give him credit for. But I think a lot of these people are probably thinking like, once he loses around like six or whatever, everyone's going to know we got to get Jonathan out. We always say that. And then we know it never happens that we can't do that. Well, you sometimes, bro. We, we saw, we saw Joe in his season. He won a bunch of challenges. He got to the end. He didn't get a vote. Okay. Um,

[01:17:26] like these, these players we're seeing, he's Joe was our man. We love Joe. We're seeing some players be portrayed as almost like one dimensional players. And I don't think people are being intimidated by people. They're just going to win some challenges or whatever. Now we're looking at Jonathan and yeah, he is a challenge beast. He hasn't, he hasn't won any challenges. Has he yet? Um,

[01:17:51] but I think we're seeing him as a more evolved Jonathan as a narrow. I think he's a really good narrator actually. Um, but on the, on the Island, I don't think on the Island, I don't think they are as scared of, of him or Joe. I think they're like, all right, these, that makes them cry for a move. Like if they get Aubrey, you know, you get Aubrey on this side, you know, Aubrey, I don't think flipping comes over Aubrey and Tiff, right? That's a five right there. Right. You know,

[01:18:21] like I feel like there is, there's different. I feel like the thing is, I don't know if Aubrey and Tiff are going to be the ones to link up with. Like Jonathan and Joe. Right. Yeah. What people are telling you need, you need at nine, you need five. Like exactly to your point, James of you keep the people that aren't getting a lot of people. And you can hold the middle down. Like Tiff and Jonathan are not probably going to work together. But the people in the comments keep saying on Jonathan's original season, when I said, I wanted to be the ladder and he blocked us. Well,

[01:18:50] maybe we didn't see the whole season because people keep saying that this is a very similar game that Jonathan has played. Even Omer from his season comment on something. It was like, I don't think we were paying attention enough to his strategic game. He laid low and kind of made little moves. What I, what I will say though, with Joe, yes, we saw Joe last season. We saw Joe at the start of this season. However, from last week's episode, we saw Joe, yo, yo, yo with Tiffany.

[01:19:20] We see Sari today. Tell us that, Hey, I mean, Joe's on the Sari mount. We see Joe talking with Ozzie. Like, I'm just saying like, that's four right there. I got to say these combinations are, I feel like when you're a survivor player, looking at the combinations on the Island, right? And that three is a good three to work with in a three, you know, based on the other players playing that you have votes to take them out

[01:19:49] because you know, Rizzo does not want to be a four next to those three. Like, let's just go down. You have like, you don't have anybody saying, I want to be honor integrity and go to the end with those. Those three, no one is going to do that. So at that point, but you have three people that you know where they're going to vote. That is incredibly valuable in this game. If you have that relationship and people are like, so coach and Chrissy going, if it was four people, maybe not, but three not threatening with as many people in the game.

[01:20:17] Cause you're really thinking about how can I get the seven or eight and a seven or eight, I still have four or five. So I don't care about those three. There's one immunity to go around. It's a viper. There's no guarantees. And I think the target will shift back when the numbers get a little small. Like James said, where maybe you're at like seven or eight and you're like, okay, that is a three. We don't want them taking up all the seats. We got to get one. But I think right now you, the, the, it's sort of all about like the,

[01:20:43] the predictability of these variables of Joe, Jonathan and Stephanie, you kind of know their MO. You kind of know where they're going to vote. You kind of know their capacities as strategists and whatnot. Whereas you look at the Aubrey, Devin's Christian, Emily, there's so many more question marks and there's a fourth person as opposed to a third that I think just puts the target much more on them. That is a crazy way to look at it though. Right. Where again,

[01:21:11] this is why shout out to the only winner on this podcast, Jack Atkins and James Jones that know they stuff where it's like, I would never look at the cloth as being, you know, how to vote with them. Right. Like I just would never, but y'all make so much sense. What you're saying, when you have an Emily, you have a Rick, you have a, like all of these variables. Well, shit. If I am an Aubrey, I do go with them. Be like, I,

[01:21:41] I, I never beat with anybody in the club. Like, like for a while, like does she, she does she have, like, it's kind of like, why am I making a beep out of these three people? Who will they want to vote with me? And the big thing is to the whole point of the terminology, I think it was off, but the whole point of like the middle people, these are people that get along with everybody. Like as in Christian and Devin, they're great players. So they're always going to make you feel pretty good. They're always going to have options, even when they're not like the middle per se. Whereas I think if you're on the Island,

[01:22:11] you look at like Joe, Jonathan, Stephanie being like, God, I can't stand those other guys. Like, why was Rick being so flashy? I'm sick of him. Like you, you, and you know, they're a pretty honest bunch. So you're like, okay, they're telling me that they want that group out. Like I can kind of take them at face value. Why would I vote them out when they're looking at four other people for me? Whereas you think about like Aubrey and co or Christian and whatever. Christian's so great. He's always going to make you feel good, but you're like,

[01:22:38] I don't know who he actually really wants out. Cause everyone feels good with Christian. Jack and James, can you weigh on this argument that Wendell and I had last night in St. Louis as we were breaking down? In the end, when we saw our fallen soldier, Christian Hubicki go home, we see at the end, Jonathan gives him his shot in the dark bag.

[01:23:06] And my perception of that was like, I took that kind of as like a, not an F you, but like, here you go. I defeated you. Like, I didn't like that. And we'll go short. Well, I thought it was respect. I, you said your side, Bryce. I thought it was like more respect. Like, yo, you are, you're that guy. This is yours. You gave it to me. I got the best of you. Respect.

[01:23:36] Yeah. I thought it was hardly supposed to be sort of a respect thing. Like, and I don't know if I think Jonathan maybe could have kept it and used it potentially. So obviously there's a respect in being like, I'm going to, I'm going to not do that and give you what's yours. And I also, obviously I also think it's a little bit of jury management because I, I think, I think Jonathan voted for Rick in this split. So Jonathan could play it off. Like, Oh, I didn't really want Christian to go. You're going home. Let me return.

[01:24:06] What's yours. And even though Jonathan kind of had this whole plan of taking it so they could vote him out. This is, again, I think it's good play from Jonathan. He doesn't vote Christian and he gives it back. I almost think it's like, Hey, like, you know, you're a, I respect you as a player. I don't even, I guess maybe he doesn't even know he's expecting a child, but maybe it's like, here's a memento. Of your, your game. And you trusted me with it. And I don't want to like steal it from you. I want to give it back to you and show you, I was trying to play straight with you. So what was the most split?

[01:24:35] Five to three to two or no, six to three to two. There was 11 people. Right. Or no. Yeah. Cause Christian voted for himself. Ozzy got two votes, which I think were Emily and Rick. Right. Rick got three votes. Cause it started out like three votes, Rick to Ozzy. And then one Christian. And then I think all the rest were Christian. So it would have been six votes, Christian. So the, I think the question is why was that the vote flip, flip direction? I mean, I think that's the, I mean,

[01:25:05] I think it is to keep, I think it is to keep the, the Joe versus Rick dynamics going because Christian probably didn't have as many of those beefs. But I, I think that's the question we had to ask. Like why they had the nine votes lined up, right? So you have your nine votes lined up, but that's very tearing. So now you're your nine votes. Why, why that six, three in. Why Rick over, why Christian over Rick or why six, three? No, why, why Christian over Rick? I think that's kind of, and the number, the numbers too. I mean, it's six,

[01:25:35] four or five, four. I feel like, I feel like you, I feel like it was, it's an interesting to the vote number. And you can take out either person if you have these numbers. So I think there's, right. There's two parts. I think that a, you just go three on the side because you know, okay. Devin's and Emily are the ones not voting. There's two to get a valid split. You're going to need at least two, but just put three on there. So it can't be shifted by one individual person. Right. Cause if it's like, it was going to be seven to two to two,

[01:26:05] someone in the two could flip, put an idol on the seven. Then your split doesn't work. Whereas if it's three, even if one person flips, you still have a, well, I guess they could make it three. It's a flipping territory. Like, I mean, it's kind of like if you put in the votes, if the votes are going on Christian, someone knows it. And Rick has a quote unquote idol or someone has an idol. Like, I mean, it's just interesting. I just think it's an interesting, we're in an interesting time right now. And I think, I will say, I will say,

[01:26:32] I think it is hurt a little bit by the fact that as far as these players know, the idols can really only be played on themselves. You can't really play idols for other people, which I think is bad. So even if you like someone could, could flip, you would have Christian would have to have his own idol. So I think there's a lot of moving parts. I do think the Christian versus Rick debate is valid. Cause if you think Rick has an idol and you want him to flush it, like you would want to put more votes on Rick. So that what happened like here where he doesn't play it, obviously he can't play. It's not real. It doesn't happen.

[01:27:02] But in this instance, I do think, and I actually got to give some props to Rizzo here for kind of putting his foot down and being like, I think it should be Christian. I think Christian is just in the long run, the bigger target than Rick, even with or without this idol. Cause Rick with his idol debacle is still going to be a big moving target. But if you take out Rick, there's a very good chance. Christian can reintegrate. And you have this opportunity where Christian has to vote for himself, cannot play his shot in the dark because of it.

[01:27:31] I think that just makes sense as to why you go Christian. I will say, I think that Christian out of the two of them, Christian is the biggest threat. Like he's, he's the scarier player out of them. Rick is like chaotic. Christian is like a true threat to win, but this was a great episode guys of survivor news. And can't wait to see what happens next week. I'll be here reporting live from wherever I am.

[01:28:02] Yeah, no, I think that, uh, that definitely has me changed my mind on how I thought about this episode, right? Where I thought it was kind of mid, but I think that it's like mid in the way that not a lot has happened, but the table has been set and let's be clear. We're ready to feast next week. And Mr. Beast. And Mr. Beast. And like I said before, Mr. Beast, pull it out and exit.

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