Survivor News 50 Ep 11 Recap: Survivor Hamlet ft Jawan Pitts

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[00:02:43] We have Joe Wan from Season 49 helping Jack and I break down this, ooh, this crazy double tribal council episode. So much is going on. I am currently in mourning, so please forgive me if my emotions are all over the place, my man, my man. I see. We are breaking it down. We are talking about the decisions. We are breaking down each player.

[00:03:12] We are talking about what could have been, what should have been, who played it best, this and so much more. Let's get in to this week's Survivor News. Survivor News.

[00:03:56] It is with great regret that, excuse me, posse, welcome to Survivor News. Covering Survivor Season 50, episode 11. Sorry, y'all. I'm just, it's a lot going on. I am currently a woman in mourning right now. Let me get myself together. Welcome back to the podcast.

[00:04:25] Survivor News covering Survivor Season. Oh, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy. Oscar! Four and out from my homie. Oh, God. Hey, y'all. What's going on? We're back covering Survivor Season 50, episode 11. I am a woman in mourning. We have a lost soldier, my man Oscar, but the show must go on keeping.

[00:04:56] Oh, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy. Oh, Jesus. Oh, rest in peace. Oh, Jesus. Let me go see if I still got that OnlyFans link. But listen, welcome back to the podcast. Hey, yo. Hey, yo. The man, the myth, the legend, you might know him from The Floor is Lava on Netflix. Jack Atkins. Jack Atkins, what's popping with you, Jack?

[00:05:25] Man, every time it's The Floor is Lava. We talked about this last time. You know, I'm doing... But it's been having a good week. Excited. We got a great guest. And I got this shirt at a concert last night and then watched the episode after. And I think it's sort of an appropriate homage to Oscar with his camo, his infamous camo tee. So... Yeah. Well, Jack, we do have a special guest. Do you want to do the honor?

[00:05:56] Yeah. Yeah. You know, joining us this week, Wendell might be on spring break. But we got a good personal friend of mine and Bryce's, friend of the podcast. We've been trying to make this happen for a while. From Survivor 49, Jawan, baby. Welcome to the podcast. What is popping? Not gonna lie. This is kind of like a bucket list thing for me.

[00:06:23] So, you know, I know filling in for Wendy's is big shoes to fill. But I'm so glad to be here. This is long, long overdue. Clearly, you haven't watched Winners at War. Or the podcast. Or the podcast. You can't defend himself. That's crazy. And Jawan, just to... If I'm not mistaken, before you... Because we were buddies before you were on the show. Yeah.

[00:06:50] And you were a posse member even before you were on the show, right? Yeah. I don't know which episode. You can do the archive. I might have to check later. But you can see I was commenting back in the day before I was, you know, on the show. So, you know... Were you the one that was like, stop all the chatting and get into the episode? Probably. Oh, I love it, though. Well, Jawan... Full circle. First full circle.

[00:07:19] Full circle. It's an honor to have you, Jawan. I think watching you on season 49. Connecting with you. It's... You know, Jack always likes to point out you was his friend. But, you know, we... We as in Wendell and I. We met you before you went out on the island. We didn't know anything. Good vibes always. And... How are you? How has life been since 49 and season 50?

[00:07:47] Like, I know personally... Well, Jack and I both know because Jack was on Survivor as well. But sometimes as... You get a little like... Not PTSD. But sometimes like when a new season comes out. You kind of mourn your own season. So, I'm just curious to know before we even get into all of the things of the things. Like, what has it been like since we've last seen you? Man, Bryce. This is why I love you, fam. That's such a good question. Life has been lifing but in the best way.

[00:08:17] You know? Now, with me, it's so interesting. You know? I've been a Survivor fan way longer than I've been a Survivor alumni. So, it's interesting being on this side of it. I know people have talked about in the past just the roller coaster of like you're in casting. And then you go on the show. And then you can't talk about it. And then you watch it. And for 17 people, it kind of sucks because you know you didn't win.

[00:08:45] But now being on the other side of it, it's kind of beautiful in a way. Like, it's hard, especially having like a sister season. Like, the season after you being a monumental, like, top five season. Just by default because it's Survivor 50 and the weight of that. It's like a tug of war in my heart, personally. Where I'm like, dang, that should have been me.

[00:09:12] But then also, as a fan, as someone that loves old school Survivor and like some of my favorite people like Ozzy and Sari. And like, I really can't be too mad. So, I'm blessed, man. I'm blessed. And what have you thought of season 50 overall so far? Yeah, I think as an editor, I've been really enjoying this season.

[00:09:39] I think, you know, back when they had like 60-minute episodes, we would have like, you know, these forced backstories. These forced kind of like flashbacks. But I do think as an editor watching this season, I feel like every flashback has been kind of, it's served a purpose. And not to get too deep into it. But I'll say this season kind of reminds me of a weird like Ghost Islands 2. Like, shout out to Wendeezy.

[00:10:07] In a weird way, it's like less about the advantages. But like people, like we said, mourning their games. So, I just love the theme. I think that was definitely prevalent in this episode with Sari, you know, for example, you know, talking about game changers and why she wants to flush idols. So, I know we're going to get into the nitty gritty, but I've been enjoying it. I've been enjoying it. I love that. That's so great to hear. And we're so excited to have you here.

[00:10:35] And if you don't know Posse, we've been trying to make this happen for a long time. Jack, every time in the group chat, we're like, who should we have on? Jack be like, Jawan! I was trying to make it shake. We be like, send a date. Jack, send a date. Jawan busy. We be like, all right, next week. Next week, we be like, Jack, who's the guy? Jack be like, Jawan! We be like, send a date. Jawan was working, you know, a full-time job. Nine to five. Nine to five. West Coast. Pacific time, which makes it tricky.

[00:11:06] But, you know, now Jawan's working for himself. So, and now we're here. And like, we're good. We're good. I'm glad to be here. We've been dying to have you. And again, it's been such a great season. I was in Austin last night. And Austin, we had a huge turnout. We had a lot of the Posse members there. Shout out to Chelsea. Shout out to Tyler. Tyler is our guy. I don't know if you remember Tyler. Oh, that's my guy, yeah. He was like, where's Jackery?

[00:11:36] And so, it was just great. And there was so many of the Posse members being like, you and Jack is on fire this season. Y'all spitting it like it is. And I was telling them I always spit on it. So, it's like, I say what I say. And so, it is been... Wait, wait. I don't get it. Y'all don't spit on it. Y'all don't tell the truth. You know, so, the Posse's been on us.

[00:12:06] And so, y'all said we were holding back because of our friends. And we don't say the truth. And so, this season, we've been spitting on it. And so, it was really good to hear. Just, you know, the Posse being like, where's Jack? And so, also, Ozzy was in New York City. And another great episode. And again, we are still on the road to 50. Bryce and Wynn. Next week, we will be in Chicago for the Pin Ultimate episode.

[00:12:34] Which is sure to be on fire. Tickets are available. And our girl Tiffany is going to be holding it down in Los Angeles next week. Let's go. The Posse that's been asking for the Jackery. The Jackery will be in the building with a host of amazing people. We have the winner from Big Brother 20. Some Chelsea. We've got Jack. We've got Zach. We've got Nina Porsche.

[00:13:01] We've got Abby Maria, Brando, and a host of other people that we're going to release soon. Morgan from Big Brother 20. Morgan, yes. The legend. Let's go. So, tickets are available. And then from there, we are heading to the finale, New York City. You already know what's up. I believe our New York City finale is sold out. But we do have tickets available on that Tuesday night for karaoke. And listen, Baltimore. Gabe is lining up an amazing cast for you. Teenie.

[00:13:31] Andy. Nora, get your tickets now. It's just crazy to think that we are coming to the end of this season. It's like, I feel like we started off just so excited. And again, very much still excited. It's a lot to get into. I have a lot of thoughts. I'm excited. Can I say something real quick? Can I do a cheesy little flashback? Come on. Me and Jack are way back. But, you know, can I talk about the story about when I first met you and Wendell? So, your boy come.

[00:13:59] I think this is season 42, right? Finale. LA. Your boy is maybe second year, first year in LA, really. And in South Jersey, I'm a Survivor fan. But there's not many of us like that. You know? There's not like a big community in South Jersey for Survivor. So, when I came out to LA, I think I saw on Reddit, I was like, wait. There's like watch parties for Survivor? Definitely from South Jersey, though. Oh, bet. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:14:28] She's like Delaware area, right? I think so. Yeah. You tell me. She's done some party. Jack! I didn't know. But, basically, long story short, when I went to this finale party, and, you know, this was things were still kind of like post, like, you know, COVID-y, you know? But I think it was so cool. Like, I sat at this party right next to Davey.

[00:14:58] And as a super fan, I'm like, what? Like, I think that's what I love about Survivor. It's like, you know, we're not like these superstar celebrities. I mean, at least to me, but everyone was so kind. You were kind. Wendell was kind. And that moment really stuck with me. So, and this was like three years before I got on the show. So, I appreciate you. And I appreciate what you guys have built for our community. And it's really, I think, it's, you guys need more flowers. So, I just wanted to drop that here.

[00:15:28] We appreciate that, Jawan. Now, I do have a question. You said you met Davey. Yeah. I just need a yes or no. That's all. That's the response I need from you. Did he have a cape on? I don't think so. Okay. Okay. I don't think he had a cape on. They all. Y'all out of pocket. Anybody know Davey? Davey pull up with the cape. And so, yeah. But you said that was season 41? 42.

[00:15:58] 42. So, Mary Ann's finale. Yeah. And Ozzy was there, which is crazy. I went up to Ozzy. Yeah. So, I thought it just was cool from like a fan like me. I'm like, dang, we could just chill and talk to these people. But I think that's how it should be, you know? Yeah. Mm-hmm. I just wanted to say. Yeah. No, listen. The only person that's Hollywood out of any of the reality people that I have met is Jack Atkins.

[00:16:25] And I say that to say only because during a finale, you might not be able to talk to Jack because Jack will be under a speaker. Well, that's because I'm such a fan. I'm locked in on the episode. So, you know, I'm not better with that. I've gotten better with that. You know what I'm trying to say? Jack Atkins don't play. He'll find a speaker and be under it. But, yeah, I appreciate that. And, again, we're so excited to have you, Juwan. But we got a lot to get into. It's a lot.

[00:16:55] Let's get into it. Let's do it. What you got? Because I got thoughts from left to right. Take it away, Bryce. I got notes. Juwan came with notes, too. Let's go. Bryce, you want to kick us off? Where do you want to start? We'll leapfrog off of it. I mean, I don't know. I mean, you really want me to kick it off? Yeah, Bryce, go ahead. Hold on. Hold on. Uh-oh. Let me spin on it. Because, listen.

[00:17:23] The thing that, like, took me. Let's go to the challenge. Can we go to the challenge? Because, I mean. Jeff said lane change. Everybody started fumbling. My queen Tiffany was up there. She was solid. She was good. Challenge over. Tiffany wins.

[00:17:47] And all of a sudden, I felt like I was at an NBA game. I felt like the referees paused it and was over on the bench reviewing the tapes. And I can't remember in my survivor history this ever happening. Shout out to the people that were in Austin that they said that something like this has happened. And I believe it was with Lex. But it wasn't necessarily during an endurance challenge.

[00:18:16] And so, I don't know. For me, watching back the episode, I think after Tiffany celebrated and the moment that Jeff was like, Oh, wait, wait, wait. Time out. The look on Tiffany's face. Right? Like, I felt like Tiffany was like, here go the bullshit. Here go the bullshit. Like, you could just see it on her face. And again, I respected if they, we got five. Jeff is like, we always have these five judges. Bitch, when, when?

[00:18:45] Is their name Billie Eilish? Because, like, when have we known that? You know, what, this made me think about, look at 48. Didn't this happen to Joe when he did the little, and what's, what's her name? Camilla. Didn't they have that thing where they, like, she put it down and Joe spelled it wrong. And then they gave, or he had a block missing and they gave it to Camilla. Right? Didn't they have to do that? I guess that was a little more in the moment.

[00:19:14] This was kind of like it. Tiffany celebrated. And then he was about to, like, put the thing on it. And he was like, nah, never mind. Sorry. And I thought Tiffany handled that way better than I would have. Like, she clapped for her job. I would have been like, can I see the flashback? Let me, show me the tape. I need to see the visual. So she handled that way better than me. Jeff said, do you trust me, Tiff? Tiff said, yes. I was like, in this climate? Two million dollars?

[00:19:43] I don't know if I'm going to take your word. Yeah. And I know we'll get into it. I'm so excited to talk about this episode. But I wonder if Tiffany wins this challenge, right? How does that affect anything? But based off the results, I'm like, I don't know if it does change anything based off the edit we saw. But I know we'll get into it. 100%. And that's why.

[00:20:07] No, look, as a fan and a friend of Tiff's, definitely was a bummer for them to pull that away. Well, Bryce, I will say, you know, they did show the tape to the audience and she was on two feet for a hot second there. So I feel like she'd probably even say that. Oh, let me ask you a question. Sure. Jack and Jawan. Y'all at the grocery store. Y'all buying bacon. You're buying milk.

[00:20:36] You're buying lubrication. And you're buying cheese. What do we tell? We get up to it. What's the baby oil for? We didn't say baby oil, but we can add baby oil to the list, right? Boop, boop, boop. You put everything on the counter. The person, boop. You pay your money. You get to the door. They say, let me see your receipt. They say, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[00:21:05] You ain't paid for that baby oil. You steal it. I gave everything to the lady. Well, if they said you were stealing, obviously. But say if they were like, hey, we forgot to scan the. We got to be. Say it, the lube. They forgot to scan the lube. That's got a different connotation now. Well, if they're like, hey, you forgot to scan. We forgot to scan the lube. Can you come back and pay for it? Ain't the customer always right?

[00:21:35] I guess so. Yeah. You would have to pay for it. I mean, yeah. That's how it works. It's my fault if y'all make a mistake. No, no. Not saying it's anyone. But don't say it's Tiff's fault. They just were like, hey, we missed it. You know? And I think it's about timing, too. If they waited to like tribal council to be like, yo, Tiff, I'm sorry. We looked at the tape. Let's get that back. That's a problem. You know? Because you already strategized. But they did catch it before they even left. You know?

[00:22:05] It'd be different. That's how I feel. For me, I'm just like, who's hosting Survivor? Is it Jeff Probst? Or is it Steve Harvey? Because for me, I'm like, is this Miss Universe all over again? Steve Harvey, straight bullet. Okay. Yeah. Well, guys, what do you, like, if they catch that she was not on one foot and they know that, then what do you think they should do?

[00:22:33] Like, what's the, because say it was Jonathan that was on two feet and Tiffany was in Jonathan's shoes and like, was the next one that lasted that long on one foot. And they knew that Jonathan was on two feet. What did you be like? It should have been Tiffany. One of them five judges need to lose their job. Damn. I'm just saying. Is it a good job or a bad job? A bad job. Y'all, five other judges, y'all got one job.

[00:23:03] They did it. They did their job. Yeah. I think, I think that was a misplay on Jeff. He probably just. Yeah. They stepped in and be like, yo. Yeah. I think that was a Jeff misplay. All right. So y'all might be right, but I'm just. In Tiff's shoes, I would definitely be like. Damn. Cause I also live by. In a competition. I sort of live by like. If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. And so. Yeah. You get away with a couple extra seconds. And then you get called after.

[00:23:32] It's like, ah, I thought I got away with that one. You know what I mean? I mean. For me, I just had ran a lap. And rustic tapping Austin. Like Tiffany. Tiffany. When I got back around. Everybody was quiet. I said, wait, wait, wait. I'm out of breath. What's happening? So again. I mean, I. You're right. Y'all are right. I'm. I'm mad. But a rule is a rule. And. I'm. I just. I don't know. Just.

[00:24:03] I'm with you. I don't want to say nothing. It was unfortunate. For sure. And then. Curious. No. I'm just curious. Um. How much pushback. She did get. That didn't make the edit. Cause. I don't know. Yeah. Like I said. If I was in her shoes. I'm like. So what did I do wrong? Can y'all show me. Like what happened? But. Um. Yeah. She handled it. Really good. Yeah. And I think that's been a great component of Tiffany's game this whole season is when

[00:24:28] she has faced adversity, whether it's with a challenger or with a vote or whatever it might be. She'll. She moves very gracefully. And then in confessional, she'll let you know. But to everyone's face, she's like, it's cool. Don't worry. Um. I think it's. You're lagging a little bit, Juwan. Sorry about that.

[00:24:57] So like I was saying, I was yapping about Tiffany, but I've been so impressed with her game positioning and how she has been maneuvering with being on the quote unquote bottom. And it's interesting. I think it's very telling that the people that were targeting her or like, we're kind of afraid to like put a vote on her, like just because they like her. And I says a lot about her social game. They cool.

[00:25:22] Like we're losing you again, Juwan, but I, you know, yeah, we lost a little bit there again, but I totally agree. Like even back to the, um, like that split that the blood moon, when she was on the same tribe as Camilla and they targeted Camilla over her. Or again, when there was that split vote between her and D and nobody wanted to vote for Tiff. I thought it was, it was great.

[00:25:52] And I mean, I thought we'll get more into it, but I thought Tiff had a great episode, this episode, even despite what happened with the challenge and all that stuff. I just really liked where her head was at. Um, you know, and this challenge wraps up and then we get the news that it's a, they're split into these two groups and, and Jonathan's going to swing between the two. Okay. You're, you were also not thrilled about that. Well, no, I, again, when this happened, I felt like I took on the Jack Atkins persona

[00:26:20] of like, we 11 episodes in, why the, are we splitting up again? Like what's happening here? So no, I wasn't mad at Jonathan's power. Again, I just was like, why are we splitting up? Like, I, I don't like, again, I. Don't get me started. The fan in me is like, let's vote out two people, but let's, let's do it all together. Like, you know, like, let's. I agree.

[00:26:50] I've been hoping for that back to back. Yeah. The splitting up. I thought we were avoiding it this season and they do the split up. And to me, the thing about it is like, it's just, and we said this, I, this was my thoughts with like the blood moon, for instance, you're just like limiting options. So now at this point in the season, half the tribals we've had, I've been with five people because you have like the pre merge and then you have the blood moon and then you have this

[00:27:18] and we're going to obviously have another final five tribal at some point. And when one person's safe, when one person's safe, it's so clearly because like, there's only so many combinations. It's either like a three to two or it's like a four to one. Not even one person's safe, Jack. When one person's safe and three people have idols. Also true. Also true. Yeah, no, exactly. It just limits. I don't know what their obsession is with like limiting people's options, dude.

[00:27:44] And as someone that experienced it, like it is kind of frustrating because you know, you're on survivor to make, make big moves, but then there's this tug of war in your heart. We're like, well, I just want to make it out, you know? So it can kind of limit gameplay. And one of my favorite parts of survival growing up is when you make it to the merge, it's a milestone for a reason. It's a merge. It's everyone coming together. Now it's a individual game.

[00:28:13] So when you split them up again, I'm sorry, that's a tribe swap. What are we doing? We just had that, you know? And then when you do that multiple times, you know, like season after season, like we've seen it, like if they did this every other season, oh yeah, I'm cool with that. But to like, uh, you know, just make this a thing where like, I know this round is different. This season is different because they're trying to get rid of people. But yeah, like you guys said, there's a solution for that.

[00:28:41] Do a double vote all together. And that's, that's my, my soapbox. And I gotta, the other small thing too, is like, I think like the best moves, typically the best tribals, at least from my perspective happen when there's these odd numbered tribals and like, like at a nine, because at nine, the numbers it's when it's odd numbers, it's

[00:29:09] just, things are more in, in the things a little bit more delicate because usually it only takes like one person to flip. Whereas if you have an even number, you're either obviously going to be deadlocked, which of course can, can make for some fireworks, but that rarely happens. Usually it just ends up in numbers going one way or the other. Or if you are trying to get people to flip, it doesn't make as much sense because you'd rather just do that with an odd number. You know what I mean? And so obviously, I mean, you know, these two tribals of five still odd numbers. Sure.

[00:29:38] But five is a little bit different because it's so small, but nine, I think historically is like a great, like amount to have tribal with, you know what I mean? It's, it's small enough and it's late enough in the game where people start to make moves. It's not necessarily like a 13 where you're like, Oh, maybe this vote's going to be seven to six. It's, it's like, okay, if, if I'm in a group of three, but we can grab two people, you know, we can get out of this and make a big play. And now we just lose out on, on all that. Can I say something? Yeah. I know. Just say it.

[00:30:08] Listen, we family. All right. I'm just going to make it. Cut Jack off. I'm going to, I'm going to make it plain. And nine is big Jack. Um, I'm going to make it plain. Even though I just was like ragging on how I hate the tribe swaps and like the split and everything up. Your boy really did like this episode though. I thought having them on the same beach, but having Jonathan go back and forth in the stories kind of ping ponging.

[00:30:35] I think if that's the way it has to be, if we have to do the twist, I like it like this and let it like the pet, the players know this is going to be every nine. Like, all right, the final nine, one person. Like as long as this is established as a thing moving forward. Well, you know, it's not going to be established. They're going to do some different. I hope it's out of style. Like, I agree with you. Cause I thought it was fun storylines. Yeah. So re trying to like, like the other. Yeah. And like, you know, it's different working together, but then separately. Yeah.

[00:31:04] When they all did. Yeah. It was cool. You're, you're right. Right. Where it's like, I, again, for the first time all season, we're 11, we're 11 episodes in. And this is the first time we see how close Tiffany and Sari are. Right. Right. Like we see that little kiki, ha ha ha ha ha. But like we. Black people. We know that. Right.

[00:31:29] Like we, the way Sari and Tiffany was talking, it's like, I don't need to say too much, but like what they were saying for me was like, oh, they've been locked in all season. Right. Like Sari being like, Sean, I'm tired. I'm tired. Oh, we see them chilling in the hammock. Yeah. We know that. But this was just the first time that we, we got to see the communication. Right. Where it's just like three, like, right. And they're not saying a lot, but they are saying a lot.

[00:31:57] And for me, I think the biggest thing was like when both of them were talking, then we got Tiffany and her confessional. Like, well, listen, Jonathan trying to target Ozzy. And that's grand news to me. And, and my perspective is like, I don't hear enough people talking about a Tiffany. And from what we see, the way that she's able to maneuver another one of the things that again, call me a hypocrite. Cause I want to sue.

[00:32:27] I want a souvenir. Okay. What I love the most was, again, we, we've seen Jonathan throughout this whole season, right? He working with the cloth. We know he with the cloth. But again, I felt like this episode, the veil was kind of being dropped. And with Jonathan being the person to go from each tribe and talking to talking and being able to see his relationships with these people.

[00:32:54] And it's just so interesting how like we as viewers know where certain people stand. We obviously, in my opinion, it's like Tiff clearly doesn't trust Jonathan after like the Camilla vote. But like the way that like Jonathan's like, Miss Tiffany, like, are we, are we in like, you know, mystery, like, you know, seeing those dynamics. And it's like, I don't know who to give credit to. Is it Jonathan? Or is it like these other people? It was a bit of a surprise how quickly he like locked in with them.

[00:33:23] I mean, we know he's not on the best working terms with Devin's and Emily, but it's his average time, you know. So do you guys, the other component of this twist that I want to throw out and just see how you guys feel is like, is this like too powerful of an advantage for just a Jonathan for winning a meet? Like to be able to go to both tribals and influence both and be safe for both.

[00:33:49] And now maybe that's just like part of what the stakes were put up as for the challenge. Like you get this advantage, but it's like a really, really powerful. This is giving me flashbacks. You know, it happened to you, boy. Episode 10, 49. I think I lost the game as someone, something like this. You know, we get split up at the final 10, two groups of five. Everyone on my team is everyone. I just pulled off the blind side against Nate.

[00:34:17] So it's me, Sage, Sophie, yellow Sophie, and then MC. And then Rizzo with an idol. That's already kind of messy. All right. Because at this time, we don't, this is pre, we know Rizzo is going to do his antics. This is back when the status quo for us, you know, with MC playing her idol and then Alex played the idol. Everyone plays the idol. The minute you're in danger, you play it. So in my head, I'm like, oh, okay. We got to come up with a different plan.

[00:34:43] And then you get a little, the nucleus is Savannah coming on a boat. And now that changes everything. You know, now you're trying to think about that vote. So Jack, you bring up a good question. Is this unfair? For me, when I was out there, I was pissed. I was talking to the producers. I'm like, I wish y'all just would let us play. Why are you, why does it feel like Mario party? But I think now that I'm off the show and I had time, you know, to eat and like sleep.

[00:35:10] I think, I think, you know, there's a world where you can still get out the person you want. You can still game. You don't need this. It's just that one vote really. And if you have social capital, like Sari, you can still find your way out of it. You know? So that's how I feel now. I do feel like it's a crazy twist, but I think in survivor, there's most of the time. Yeah, it happens. Not every time, you know, but there are ways to get out of sticky situations.

[00:35:36] Yeah, I wouldn't say it's unfair, but it is very, very just like a powerful thing. Like to be, to be the only one to go to both tribals and you're safe for both. And the numbers are small enough where like your vote really is going to matter. Jonathan kind of pick and choose. Like who are the two people I need most out, out of this game. And cruise to seven with kind of his ideal composition of people. It's an advantage that he needs the most being as though the cloth is decimated, right? Right?

[00:36:05] Where it leads, again, just, again, I'm just being a pessimist and just saying like, with the cloth being so decimated and for them to pull the tapes, like it benefits him. But I am kind of with you, Jack, a little bit in the sense of I almost would have liked it if the person that stays on the longest is, he gets the immunity necklace, but the person that stays on the second longest is able to attend the tribals and vote.

[00:36:34] Because that throws a more. They wouldn't be immune? They wouldn't be immune, but they can. Why would you want to go to both tribals? Roll the dice. Blood moon. Boom. That would be interesting, but I don't necessarily think that should necessarily be skewed as like a good thing. That's almost like a great beware advantage of like. Because I do like this idea where they go to both, but if you're obviously, if you're not immune at either.

[00:37:04] I mean, listen, roll the dice. It means like if you survive the first one, you get to go to the second one and be safe or something like that. Or get an idol. Yeah, Seri would have loved that, right? I mean, think about it. If Seri wins that type of thing, she can go back and talk to Ozzy. Like, yo, play it. And it's so crazy to see it. The theme. One of the themes is like how Seri is like Ozzy's like guardian angel.

[00:37:28] And it hurt my heart when she's like trying her best to like play telephone through Jonathan. Yeah. Talk to Rizzo. And at that, I'm excited to explore this with y'all. But like the Rizzo's decision to not, you know, save Ozzy. I did not have that on my bingo card for this week. Let's be real. Because I think for me, we've been saying all season how Tres Leches from my season. You jump over to this season.

[00:37:58] It's the Rizzo of Oz. What are we calling it? Rizzo of Oz. I can't say that. But yes, we have that trio. And this is only episode 11. I thought that explosion would be closer towards the finale. I mean, I guess we're almost there, but I thought it would be later. So for that to happen, I must say, I do think Rizzo will explore whether this is a good decision long term for him.

[00:38:23] But I do think he is like Seri in a weird way where I think they have this code for them. And I could be wrong, but I feel like when Rizzo's with you, I experienced this. He's with you. But if he has any reason to doubt you, he'll cut you. I mean, they didn't show with me, but me and Rizzo were boys until I tried to get him twice. And then he was like, my hands are tied. You know, like it is what it is. So that's how I kind of felt here. But that's such an interesting point, right? That you bring up.

[00:38:52] You said like you try to get him twice. And then he said he's done. We know after your season, he only had nine days and then he's back out there. Rizzo said, take me to the end. I was still thinking about you, Jawad. Right. Like, like, so actually you're the reason my man went home. No. Because in all actuality. Don't get this on me. I'm just saying. I'm not. I do not claim that. I am a mourning woman right now. I am not mad at the R-I-Z-G-O-D's move.

[00:39:22] Because listen, Ozzy blew up, blew, blew up Ceri's game. And if they're working together, Rizzo got to think for himself. And so if they get back together and they, the pressure is on Ceri. And now Ceri's back is against the wall. What you think mother going to do? Mother going to have to throw in the Riz God. Like she, she's going to have to do anything.

[00:39:51] And so I actually think Riz did the best thing because like he literally put Ceri's game at jeopardy. And we don't even know how, what the fallout is. And so I think the Riz God made an excellent move. So you thought it was more of his effort to like benefit Ceri's game in a way. Yes and no. Because he benefits from it as well. Because if they all get back together and everybody knows all this information. And now the heat is on Ceri. You think Ceri's just going to stand there and lay down?

[00:40:20] Ceri is going to have to now empty the arsenal. And the arsenal has to be, well, I've been working with Rizzo. Like just throwing everyone out there. And so it's like, I hate to say it, but the posse wants me to keep it real. My one rebuttal is who's everyone at this point? It's like what the final nine, right? It's the final. Aubrey. Jonathan. Joe. Devins. And up until this point, Emily as well. So.

[00:40:47] It's like, and, and, and Ozzy has given them the game. And this is why. Oz. Em. A man. That likes. Men. But Ozzy is proven to me. Why men. Can't be trusted. He. Ceri. He was just with Ceri. Six seconds ago. I mean, this was. We were good.

[00:41:16] They were good. Jack. No, I know. This was quintessential. Ozzy fashion to go home. Yes. Yeah. He leaves. Ceri for five minutes, blows up his own game. Goes on with. And I. So. I'm really.

[00:41:47] I'm really. You know. You know. It goes back to my theory. How this feels like a ghost islands too. You remember. My man lost the. You will buy what? One. One vote. One vote. And when you play so many times. Like Ozzy. Yeah. he's been voted out with an idol, but what's on top of his mind is like, wait, I'm playing the best game I've ever played. I need to be careful about how I send people to the jury. And that's the fatal flaw. We've seen the time after time. I think what Andy did that to Rachel and got

[00:42:13] snuffed, but it's when you're out there and you're feeling the momentum, it's hard to stay in the present, you know? So he's probably thinking, Oh, I'm about to get a million dollars. I need to be careful how I send people out. And when you're, you get overzealous like that, I do think it's because he has wounds. He's lost by one vote. And I think that's plays. I think that's why he did that. Yeah. Okay. I have a handful of thoughts when it comes to Ozzy. I

[00:42:42] mean, he's been getting a lot of flack for not playing his idol. I think the real crime of Ozzy this episode was laying this all out to Aubrey, like insane, honestly. But when it comes to not playing his idol, you have Rizzo who's like effectively your number two ally and you have Joe who like doesn't lie, who's telling you you're good. And, um, and obviously he's had like an okay relationship with John. I totally see why Ozzy felt good

[00:43:09] in this situation. And I'll add to the fact that I think like, even from Ozzy's shoes, if you're looking at just like good gameplay, I think it makes more sense for Joe and probably Rizzo to keep Ozzy. So it like from Ozzy's perspective, I would be very surprised they kept Aubrey. So what we were saying about Rizzo, I'm torn because I think this is a good opportunity for like Rizzo to differentiate his game from Ceres and like make a little bit

[00:43:36] of a move and maybe move up in this, like become Ceres number one. If he could play it off, right. If he could just be like Ceres, like Joe and Aubrey and Jonathan were all voting for him, I couldn't do anything. I do think though, if Rizzo just votes out Aubrey and then you, Ceres and Ozzy are all at seven and you have two idols, there's a lot of room

[00:44:01] for like to really, for Rizzo to really cook. Like, and maybe he, maybe he does something to flush Ozzy's idol of this tribal. Yeah. And like maybe he saves Ozzy, but also gets Ozzy to play his idol, or maybe he tells Ozzy to play his idol and it's correct. And they vote out Aubrey and then he's in a better spot with his people. And, and now Ozzy's laid out that he and Ceres are so close where Rizzo can kind of ride as the third, take out

[00:44:30] a Ceres when he needs, take out a Devin's when he needs. Cause Ozzy, I don't think, I think Rizzo could be an Ozzy yet. So I don't, I don't, I put one of those, like, I'm not saying Ozzy is Ceres. My bad to cut you off, Bryce. Okay. Um, I'm not saying Ozzy is Ceres, but I do feel like he's one of those legends by default characters. If he gets to the end

[00:44:56] with anybody other than Ceres, I think he gets a couple of votes, you know, just by, you know, just by the name, you know, so I do think he probably does. He, and I think he was a target, he was a target for a while. Like Christian wanted him gone. And we've started to see the emergency legacy, but I think on the Island, maybe it's not as evident too. So obviously I think Ozzy sitting next to Rizzo is going to get a Stephanie and a coach. Well, maybe not

[00:45:25] a coach, but, um, you know, those, those old schoolers, this is fair. So maybe, maybe I guess the thing is this opens Rizzo's game pretty wide open, which I guess if you're like, Hey, I really can't go to the end with Ceres or Ozzy is a good move. But if you think that, Hey, if I could keep Ozzy and Ceres, I'm good with them. Maybe he can still shift

[00:45:53] the target over to them a little bit and claim that move for himself a little bit later. So I don't know. I totally see where Rizzo is coming from though. Cause also, like I said, he can now have the opportunity to play this off to Cere of like, everyone was voting for him. And I, although Ceres is going to have a conversation with Joe and you already know Joe's going to be like, Oh no, Rizzo told me to vote for Ozzy. Like I, yeah, doesn't have to play anything off to Cere. He just literally needs to tell her like Ozzy gave their game

[00:46:22] play away. And I also feel like in Rizzo's position, right? Rizzo has been working very closely with Ozzy and Cere. He hasn't been working that close with Aubrey. Right. And so if like the names that are floating around are Ozzy and Aubrey, I think in Rizzo's position right now, Rizzo wants to sit next to an Aubrey. I would believe that Rizzo wouldn't want to sit next to him. You just said he had, you know, he hasn't been working very closely with Aubrey and he has been

[00:46:52] with Ozzy. And now I get, when you talk about threat levels, maybe they're at a different, I don't know, maybe they're at a different level, but I think going into seven, you want to keep around the person you have been working with and not the person you haven't been working with. At seven, I mean, I would, I don't know what seven looks like, but I'm just saying like, it's now or never they splitting up the tribes. It's a chance to get Ozzy out and the blood isn't on your hands. And from Rizzo's perspective and looking at jury management, like.

[00:47:20] Yeah. I can, I think I said this before on another podcast, but it is interesting watching how Rizzo game has changed from 49 to 50, you know, with Rizzo on 49, he's locked into a three all the way to the end. So on this, it's interesting playing. Like, I think on 49, he thought he was on the bottom. This is like where he's in the middle. And I think that's a game that I played very well.

[00:47:50] And, but the hard part about the middle, the hard part about the middle is when you say people packing that were close with you, they might not be happy to see you. So I think about my game. And if, you know, alternate universe, if I make it to the end, I'm not sure if I even went because I sent so many people that would thought they were close with me gone. And I think the hard part is how do

[00:48:16] you, so Rizzo's challenge is how does he, if he gets to the final three seats and he's looking at an angry Ozzy, how does he communicate as a young 25 year old to someone that's played a game four times and be like, Hey, I got you out because I thought you could beat me. That's the only way I think he could really say, Hey, I love you. And here's why, but it's going to be hard because when you cut people and they don't see it coming, it's survivor. Not everyone's going to take that lightly. So that's

[00:48:45] why I'm, I'm, I'm yeah. Yeah. And I do like the move. Cause like we said, Rizzo probably still has some work to do within 50 to earn respect of the jury, right? But taking these opportunities, obviously he's in a great spot with Swiss Sari, but if he goes to the end playing, even playing in tandem with Sari, like he has been, I think Sari just gets a lot of that credit. So I guess it does make sense for him to be like, Hey, let me take out Ozzy. That's a move for myself. Maybe I

[00:49:15] hopefully can recover my relationship with Sari, but maybe I look at a move against her and now my game's open and I have an idol. And obviously there's probably better people to sit next to at the end than, you know, uh, uh, Sari. Uh, and maybe at this point with how Aubrey's been so far, maybe because she's been on the bottom, that's a, that's an option. Obviously I think a Joe is a pretty good

[00:49:38] option. Um, so if I'm Rizzo, I think that's probably my ideal final three at this moment. Um, and to that point, I think this is also why I love what Tiffany did where Tiffany now pushing some influence onto this group of sort of being like, I'm so locked in with Sari. Let me try to get Ozzy out with the blood off of my hands so that I can lock in with Sari. Um, so I love that from Tiffany. Cause I think that especially

[00:50:08] not being part of Sari's wizard of Oz, but also being so connected, it makes sense at this point for Tiffany to like get rid of that full trio, cement her spot within that group, whether that is still going to be a Sari, Tiff, Rizzo combination. Um, but I just thought that was a great idea from, yeah. I, another, I want to jump so many places, but I'll save my left jump for later, but another,

[00:50:37] we're at tribal, right? And another like amazing move or just a, an amazing comment was when Jonathan, Jeff asked Jonathan something and John's like, Mr. Jeff, I just, me and Rick, I've decided on season 50, me and Rick, we can't play together. We're at odds. And I loved when I say my, my, now,

[00:51:06] I'm Ricky cousin. Ricky is my cousin. But when the way my britchers, John, I got a little moist when Rick Devin said, listen, Hey, Hey, Jonathan, get that out of your head. We can work together. We're getting down to the final six and five. My brother, my good brother. I know you've been out

[00:51:29] in the sun moving them, some chairs around in the beach, but listen here, you, if we figure something out, we can move together. And I was just like, I love the way that cousin Ricky's head is in the game. Yeah. I'll sit on it.

[00:51:50] All right, man. Just to give Rick some flowers. I'm so glad that he's gotten a chance to play again. It's so crazy to me. I think if you guys remember, I don't know if you know this, but I think my man was going to be a alternate on one of the rounds of casting. Like, I think he talks about his pregame. There was a round where like, yeah, you're an alternate. Sorry. I think this one would cast was smaller, you know, for 50. I think, yeah, I think he was going to be an alternate,

[00:52:18] which is kind of crazy. If you think about this game now with the Mr. Beast thing, if you just take Rick out of this season, it's a completely different game. So I, I've been impressed with RZA. I keep saying RZA. Wow. Rick Devin's. And I think he's playing great. I don't know. I think he really has to continue the ball out. But he just cashed his, his idol this episode.

[00:52:45] So I do think he has to continue to play like this, but I think it's so cool when you see somebody come out the second time. And like you said, he's having fun. He's dancing on the beach and stuff. And as someone that played myself, I think I was so stressed out. I was like, I don't want to go home. But I think when you let go of like the expectations and the results, you kind of get to have fun. So it's cool to see someone reaping the rewards of taking a risk and just kind of letting

[00:53:15] go. I mean, he lost Emily here. I am worried about him moving forward, but I am glad Rick is on the season. Yeah. He puts, I mean, we said, I think we said it last week is like, even if it's not always like optimal gameplay, he's going to play like the most entertaining game, which obviously as viewers, is like, we mask like is so appreciated. And so I'm a little worried he could be out in the next episode or two, but well, obviously within the next two, cause that's the, I guess the next vote or two.

[00:53:46] And now that we're at this, this tribe, I think this is the biggest instance that I can remember for me as a viewer of somebody getting voted out, but me thinking like they really played that vote like so, so well. And this is obviously me talking about Emily Flippin. I thought, you know, a, you take her

[00:54:15] kind of to what Joanne was saying about these, these old stories that were sort of haunting people, her thoughts on what happened to her in 45. And she's like, Hey 21, if I'm in trouble, let me take the wheel and make something happen. Yeah. And if it weren't for Ceri's extra vote now, obviously without the extra vote created the split. So I guess we don't really know who that before they have voted for it, but I thought it was a really fantastic, like layered nuanced plan

[00:54:44] for Emily to like convince them that Rick would play the idol on her, but then Ceri can be completely unselfish for the sake of this plan and be like, Rick, you're playing the idol for you. Like, and that's how you get Rick to fully buy in to be like, I'm creating this plan that you have no risk involved in, in the best case scenario, it's going to really work a miracle for the two of us. But it, you know, if she goes to Rick, be like, the plan is like, you should play the idol on me.

[00:55:12] Like Rick's going to be like, Whoa. Yeah. But if you know that Rick's going to want to play the idol for himself, then to be like, how do I somehow twist this narrative in a way that is going to make them think that he played for me so that they vote for it for him instead. Bro. It was, it was like really, really well done. I thought. And it's better TV. Honestly, I think, you know, I think I saw on her exit press recently when someone asked her, would you

[00:55:40] choose if you had to do it again, to do these odds or the shot in a dark odds? Because she describes this move as a hail Mary, right? Hail Mary is like what? 1%. Like this is your, your, your ass is grass. Like you're gone, you know, or, um, you know, a one in six shot. And I'm so glad she chose this route because it showed her strategic prowess. Yeah. She lets things slip and she's all over the

[00:56:08] place. But I do think you're the duality there where she's a chaotic, like librarian. Like she might look like normal, but she's very messy, but she has the strategic, you know, I, this was, I must say I'm yapping a lot, but I do think this was the first time where I was really nervous for my girl Sari. I think the editors had me nervous. I was like, I was sweating. I'm like, yo, if this is a double boot of Ozzy and Sari, I'm going to need another day off. Like this is like too much,

[00:56:38] you know? So I think the editor is good. Yeah. And it was, yeah, it was a great plan. All foiled by the fact that Sari used her extra vote, which they didn't really show her considering too much. But I think obviously to Sari's credit to be like, look, and people get advantageitis where they'll hold their advantages for like the perfect moment. It's like, if you don't really know what's going on use the extra votes with it, I thought that was so smart. Um, and also interesting,

[00:57:07] cause I don't know if we'd seen this. I can't remember. It's probably happened. I can't remember the last, the last time it happened where on the revote, they all vote again and use your extra vote again. Cause I also wasn't sure if that could get reused. And then often, usually when there's a tie, it's those people don't vote, but because of the extra vote and the, the component that it's like a secret extra vote, everybody has to vote again. Um, so that was sort of cool. And that's like a good

[00:57:36] clarity to have, I guess for future players. I'm like, if you have the extra vote, it plays on the revote too. Yeah. That was big. Yeah. I'll be honest. I was waiting for them five judges to, uh, to, to come on in. Like I thought they just forgot that they just let Sari have the, the extra vote. Cause I was like, no, wait a minute. Yeah. I was scared. Two extra votes. Yeah. My heart was racing. Just in the, outside of survivor 50, just survivor in

[00:58:03] general for the extra vote. Do you think it should be playable on a revote or not? So taking this situation out of it because with Sari, I think absolutely, but no, uh, in general, I don't think so. But I also don't think that people that names, that's how I went out on a split vote. I wasn't able to vote again. So I didn't think that people that names were on the chopping block should have been able to vote. But then how it's if, you know, given that she has an extra

[00:58:31] vote, how would Sari play her extra vote? If she was, I guess that was because if they're like, Hey, Sari, Emily, Sari and Emily, you can't vote again, but Sari's extra vote is valid. Well, then she has to be allowed to vote because she's going to go up to the booth. They have to let Emily and her also vote again. And then those will cancel out. I was confused. I, I thought like on the extra vote, you can't vote again. So in my head, I'm like, who's only voting as Jonathan

[00:58:59] Tiff and what Devin's. So those three, I'm like, Oh, by default, they're going to re-vote again. And Emily's going to go home. I didn't realize. So what can you break it down for me, Jack? When the re-vote, when you have an extra vote, this is just for all the future survivor people. What is the textbook move? So you have an extra vote. It ties, you can re-vote again, right? And vote the same way. Yeah. I mean, it sounds like you can use your extra vote again on the re-vote

[00:59:26] and vote for whomever. And the other thing is, I think even, I guess, even look if they, well, so the, given that the extra vote is in play and technically they don't know who's using it also, it could be someone that's involved with the tie like Sari here. It could also be someone that's not. And so you kind of just have to let everybody vote again because if the extra vote is in play still, or even if it's, yeah, if the extra vote is in play still, even if it's not one of the people

[00:59:54] in the tie, you can't just be like, you guys aren't voting because then you know that one of the other people have the extra vote, I guess. So I don't know. I sort of agree with Bryce. Like, I don't feel like the extra vote should be good on the re-vote. Like, I think you, you get the extra vote once that's your extra vote. So now on the re-vote, you're getting essentially another extra vote. But I think maybe for like strategic maneuvering, it's, it's okay. Cause it makes the options more interesting, but it does put things in a situation where like someone can use an extra vote to like

[01:00:23] force a tie, do it again on the re-vote and like force the rocks, even though they don't have any numbers. Yeah. Go ahead. This would be a thing like say, because also I just wanted to confirm what Jawan just helped us confirm posse. Clearly we know Jack is not just an alternate from season of 48. Jack is one of the five judges. Okay. We, we now know that. Okay. Jack was out there.

[01:00:51] I thought Tiffany, I thought Tiffany did great. I didn't say anything. But now this also has me pondering say we vote is split and we have to re-vote again. I haven't used my extra vote, but now on the re-vote, am I eligible to use my extra vote? It's a great question. I was thinking that too. I don't think. Well, you wanted to, how would you, how would you vote?

[01:01:21] That's such a great, yeah. No, no. I was just thinking that too. I don't think so because I think once you go to the re-vote, then you are not then allowed to use advantages. Like for instance, you're not allowed to use an idol after the second, you know, the re-vote. Okay. I think all those things need to be done, but I think, I guess, I think it's a great point of like, if you're able to use it on the re-vote because you use it the first time around, like, I guess the fairness of all

[01:01:51] these things have to be done with the first vote so that you don't have all this additional information that's letting you be like, oh, well now I actually have to use my extra vote. Because imagine if you had a steal a vote. I know this is different, but a steal a vote and it was a tie and you go into the second vote or want to steal a vote. I'm like, hold up. Like, that's kind of where like the producers, I mean, the people would be like, who just stole my vote? That would be diabolical. If like on the second you sick. Imagine if you had, I forget how it comes up, but you know how

[01:02:21] you could be like, all right, I'm sending this tribal out and just not be a part of the vote. Imagine what is supposed to vote. You were one of the tied people. You're like, I think I'm actually good. Yeah. I think that's what it is. It's like, once that first vote happens, you then have so much knowledge of like, well now it's tied between Rice and Juwan, like, or it's tied between me and Juwan. I'm like, yeah, I'll use my extra vote now, obviously. But I don't know. It was interesting to see that.

[01:02:51] Fun fact, your boy got voted out. Like the night that I go home is because the extra vote is in play too. It's not, I mean, there was a majority. Our vote was the final eight, five, three, one. But I think that extra vote definitely did play a hand in convincing Sophie to work with Savannah. So yeah, extra votes, man. I'm haunted by extra votes too.

[01:03:19] They get you. Now let's go to a different subject. Uh-oh. Okay. We'll use these. Now, I want to just talk about something real quick because on the social medias, I guess last week, it was interesting to see that they were saying that Joe was

[01:03:44] blocking a lot of people. Okay. Joe Hunter. Now, mind you, we love Joe Hunter over here. I like Joe. I love Joe. Now, my love language sometimes is, you know, jerking the chicken, pulling the chain a little bit. There has to be a better word for that. There has to be a better phrase. That is the synonym. Anyway, continue. Jerking the chicken is crazy. Sorry.

[01:04:12] I'm just saying, I like to pull the chain. So I love me some Joe Hunter. And so I did see a lot on social media where people were saying that like Joe was blocking people. But I do want to talk about Joe because I thought Joe, we got to see like peak Joe Hunter. And again, as much as I love cousin Ricky on Survivor, boy, do I love a Joe Hunter, right? Where it's

[01:04:41] like we get back from that tribal and Joe is pissed. Joe is pissed. Joe is like, Hey, Hey, Hey, I don't like the way they was coming at Stephanie. That that's below the belt. And I love like collectively how everyone's like, well, I mean, it's Survivor, right? You know? And

[01:05:08] Joe's like, but still, still, I don't like it. And then it's like, for me, it's just so interesting where fast forward. Joe says me, Jonathan and Ozzy, we locked in. And now here's Jonathan pitching to Joe. Yo, your boy Ozzy gotta go. You gotta go. And like Joe doesn't necessarily

[01:05:35] like it. But when Rizzo comes into play now, Joe is he's willing to play ball. And so it's just like, I love just to think about how Joe plays, because I think like a player like Joe is so interesting where it's like, he's a hard cookie to crack, right? But it's like, you have to be able to massage him

[01:06:00] in a way that can work for you. But I also say all that to say that like Joe's influence in the game had like, yeah, I hear a lot of people saying like, Oh, he's a hypocrite. He's all it isn't that, but his influence, like the fact that like, they have to persuade him. It's not like, because in normal situations, if we have to do all of that to persuade you, then it's like, Jack, forget your

[01:06:27] wine. Let's vote your wine out. Right. And it's like, look at coach low key. Yo, just to jump on the train, my bad to interrupt you, but I love me. I love me some Joe too, man. I think his influence on 50 is so important because in the beginning we have the old school versus new school. It's like you created your own. It's like a video game. You created your own, you know, survivor person, right? What's the name of the video?

[01:06:56] Outlast or something. I don't know. Something cheesy. You got to workshop that. We'll workshop that. Jack, would you play? Would you play a game called Outlast? Of course. Yeah. Is this a game that requires the headphones and the headset, Jawan? If you really want to immerse the experience. Oh yeah. The VR goggles, all that. All that. Okay, wait, time out. We got to plan this idea.

[01:07:23] And it's live. So you and your friends could also be, okay. VR survivor. Come on, man. That'd be fire. Come on. I think we're onto something. But, uh. Time out, Jawan. See, this is the stuff that pisses me off about Jack. You see his face lighting up. Like, can you see Jack? Like, wait. I'm tracing myself to the island. Computer. Let me see if I can find this game. Take it to the island. Computer. No, I love that. I love that.

[01:07:49] But no, no, no. Um, but I, what I love about Joe is like, he's like an old school soul imported into the new era, you know? And I think that's so cool. And to see his morality kind of, you know, really be tested in these scenarios, it's kind of why I watch Survivor. You know, I love. Right. Right. I love their gameplay. Oh my God. I can't lie, but I won a million dollars. Right. Yes.

[01:08:18] Like that's why we see each other. And that is when I poke, not poke fun at Joe, but that's what I love because it's like. It's real. Not. He is really having a hard time. And again, those are some of the most interesting players and some of like the most dynamic players. But again, it's like, he's loyal. He he's locked in. It's not like, and again, nothing,

[01:08:44] no disrespect to a coach, but like with a coach, if it came down to that, then it's like vote him out. But it's like, they know Joe is solid. And as far as, as far as Joe blocking people on Twitter, because I did see some of that. Look, I respect if you go online and you see people talking shit and you want to protect your peace, just block it. Also, listen, peace. You want to get on the game?

[01:09:12] Let's go. Let's go. Let's do it. Let's do it. I'm screwed. It's like, I see Mr. Beast. Get your shades on. Jimmy, is that, is that Jimmy? I love that. I need one of those, bro. And there's also a difference, right? Where it's again, where it's like, we have humor. And I think, again, Joe knows us. So it's like, Joe knows our humor is rooted in love. And it's like, first of all, I don't play about a Joe. Okay. I love a Joe.

[01:09:41] But again, like, and that's just another thing where it's like, if y'all want to be nasty, like, sweeten it up a little. I don't know. But again, we, we, we love a Joe here. And again, the way that we love somebody on this podcast is we got to, we got to throw a little. We got to work the ticket. Yeah, we know, Jawan, because listen, we seen Rome dunk on you and Rome is five, three.

[01:10:10] What? Where you see that? What happened? I'm just saying. That better not be on the internet. That better not be on the internet. When you stand next to Rome, you, you make Rome look tall, Jawan. Out of pocket. I'm out of, that's out of pocket. Wait, so genuine question about Joe. Cause you know, you talk about, we've talked about this with him and with coach and all this honor and integrity. And then they, they make a move. We see he kind of lies to Ozzy here, but they always have a justification.

[01:10:38] What do we think Joe is going to come back and like tell himself or the others about like, well, I just had to vote Ozzy. It was the honorable thing to do. Do you think he'll have a reason or is he going to get back in? Like his brain's going to start malfunctioning. I think his justification will be Rizzo. What that Rizzo told him what to do. I'll be like Rizzo came with the numbers and he like, he was forced. Yeah. And also Ozzy has been a target. This is not like a new target.

[01:11:08] Ozzy's name has been out there for a minute. So you could easily hide behind maybe a Rizzo or a Jonathan who is there at both. He had Jonathan have full power. So I don't think out of this vote, people are going to go guns blazing at Joe. Like Joe can sit back. And I do think, you know, as much as he's, you know, Joe's like people have been kind of ragging on him for being like a bad social player. He must be doing something right to make it back to back seasons this far. And I'm sorry, has his name ever came up?

[01:11:38] I'm not saying this is 100% a winning game. I'm not saying this is ideal textbook one-on-one, but as someone that got voted out eighth, I don't, I was like, he doing something right. That's how I feel personally. So Jawan, I always bring up this theory on this podcast that there's only one winner, right? And we know that. But if you can't win, what's the next best thing to do? Get as far as you can.

[01:12:08] And I always say, people don't respect that. People don't respect number two, number three, and number four. Like, I really don't feel like how you started this podcast. All right. Jack, shut up. Jack, what's your number? All I mean to say is a number four could be someone that was playing for a number one. Like, could have been a number one. And this, my rebuttal to this always, Jawan, and not to say that there have not been great,

[01:12:38] there's been plenty of great second place games, third place games, things like that. But I always say, like, because Bryce, you're sort of the hinge of your statement there was like, well, if you can't win, why not play for second? And that's fair. But everyone, when they go out there, they can win. And so, sure. I guess, sure. But all of my rebuttal is that, ideally, you should be trying to play a winning game. You should.

[01:13:08] Obviously, you might be trying your best to play a winning game and end up getting second. That happens all the time. But I feel like there are some people, and not necessarily saying that this is Joe or not, that sort of resign themselves to be like, I just want to make it to the final three. I'm not going to make the moves that I would need to make to win. And maybe sometimes, look, Bryce, to your point of like, maybe not everybody's capable of making those moves. Like, I've got names coming to mind that you wouldn't expect them to be out there. Say my name.

[01:13:38] If no one is around you, say baby, I love you. I'll be the third people that might not need the caliber of player to like, swing the hole though and like, make these big moves. So, they just kind of want to hang. Baby, any other day, I will call, you will say, baby, how's your day? But today, it ain't the same. Every other word is a ha. I don't have this right now, right. Could that be that you are the crew with another lady?

[01:14:07] If you took a dare, first of all, let me say, I am not the one. Sit around and get played. Prove yourself to me. I'm your girl. That's your claim. Why don't you say the things that you said to me yesterday? I know you said I'm assuming today. So, I'm going down. It's the way it seems. Shouldn't be the reason why you act strange. Jack. That was beautiful. This is right up your alley. I'm setting you up, Jack.

[01:14:36] I definitely know the song. I'm setting you up, Jack. You know this song, bro. I am setting you up. I know the song. The artist isn't coming to me. But I've obviously heard the song many times. Just go to your, think of your Jack classic. It's not Desi's Child, is it? Okay. My baby boy is. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go, Jack. See, sometimes I think I have it. And I'm like, I don't want to say the wrong thing. You got to be confident. You need a mockery of.

[01:15:06] No, you're good, bro. Trust yourself. Trust your instinct, Jack. That was beautiful. Thank you. It wasn't me. But yeah. We love Joe over here. I'm a big Joe fan. Hopefully he gets more flowers. Yeah. I like him on this season. That's the thing. Sometimes on the show, he can be frustrated. But like in real life, seems like he's like, he's like too good of a person for a survivor. A firefighter. And that's frustrating to watch.

[01:15:33] That's why if people talk shit online, it's like he's a family man and a firefighter. Generally kind of a hero. You don't have to go on Twitter and listen to people talk shit on you. But to your point though, Jack, when you said like when some people are resigned to playing this, like I'll get to number four. I don't. No, four is good though. Right. No, but what I'm saying. No, but to your point though, like I do agree where you're just like some people are just resigned to, hey, I'll take eight and I'm good.

[01:16:00] I don't know if season 50 has Joe's name on it. Right. But what I'm saying is I don't believe from watching this that he's throwing in the towel. You know what I'm saying? Like, and that's so, and that is another thing to be said where it's like, I don't think he's throwing in the towel. Bro, this man is standing on his ground. And I would theorize that maybe Joe just, you know, he looks at the survivor so different to him. He's probably not really thinking of these like final three permutations and like, who can I be? Who can I not be?

[01:16:30] It's sort of like, let me just do the best I know and get to the end and then see what happens. And he's maybe not calculating like who's going to vote for who and like what moves do I have to make it? I think to him, he's like, if I play my game and I get to the end, that's all I can do. And we've seen people that have done that and have won. Right. Like, so again, that's what I'm saying. Joe is a very like, yeah, he's a very good player.

[01:16:57] I think Sandra had some more intentionality about how she is. I think, I think in Pearl Island, I think she just probably like, and she's the originator of anybody but me. Right. It wasn't her goal. I mean, she probably wanted to win. I'm not saying she didn't want to win, but she, she had a strategy just day by day. I mean, I think, but that is to my point of more of a strategy of, you know, and also look, I'll say it's a lot different to me a little bit, especially old school, but also factoring in a final two.

[01:17:24] Cause with the final two, it's like, I could just kind of be there. And if I'm against the one person that nobody digs, I'm good, but that's a little harder to swing in a final three. You know what I mean? Yeah. My last thing about Joe is I can kind of relate to him in a weird way of like, you know, I feel like my struggle with 49 is I wasn't confident about a vote. So like, you know, with the Nate vote on the merge episode, our big moment, I really wanted

[01:17:50] Rizzo to go, but I didn't want to go against the majority or the majority that I thought at that time. And they wanted to go out against Nate. So I let it rock, but that can kind of steamroll. And like that snowball can really work against me. Happened again with the MC happened again with Alex. So, I mean, I think Alex was made more in stage. I'll take ownership on that. But with Joe, I feel like when you flashback to coach and he didn't want coach to go, he really didn't want him to go. He was the one pushing against it, but he let it go.

[01:18:20] He let the bus hit him. Same with Stephanie. Yeah. I mean, they forced him to rewrite coach and same thing. I feel with Stephanie kind of, he was just like, all right, it is what it is. But I do feel like sometimes not voting correctly can maybe help you in the future in a weird way. Say if he didn't wrote a coach, he didn't wrote Stephanie. If he gets to the end, he'd be like, Hey, I love y'all. I didn't vote again. I stuck to my word. I think when you're right and against them, that's what happened with me.

[01:18:49] Like, I think it's a different perception. If I don't vote Nate, if I don't vote MC, I don't vote Alex. There's a different perception of Juwan. They're like, Oh, I knew where the votes were going, but I still stuck to my word. So I think that's similar with Rizzo's. Rizzo's going to have a tough time convincing people. I think Joe too, like Jeremy, like, well, you said this. People feel hurt if they feel attached to you. So I love Joe and I can relate to his gameplay. It does depend on the jury for sure.

[01:19:18] And I do think there is something sometimes jurors might think that they were in the right, you know, a lot of times. And maybe if you're, we're working with them and happened to be on the wrong side of the numbers, but we're like with them and the jurors might be like, well, they had the right idea. It just didn't work. Like they were thinking like I was thinking and it didn't work out and they were able to survive based off that. But obviously I think it depends what the jury values because, you know, usually, yeah, that's like the social component.

[01:19:47] There's one more thing I want to talk about too. I know we've been jumping everywhere, but this is so fun. I'm loving this. But I think the biggest thing for me, you know, your boy's a little marshmallow. I'm a little soft. I'm a little, am I, am I looking good with the beard? Ha ha. Hey. Ha ha. You know, something like, something like. Oh. But I think deep down, I watched Survivor for real conversation.

[01:20:11] So the moment, probably my favorite moment of this episode was the Oscar and Rick Devins conversation. People that might've been at odds, but to see them connect over the letters, to see them connect over grief and being a father and the lack of that. As for me, I'm like, wow. I mean, that's why I love Survivor. And I think he was so beautiful that Ozzy got another great flashback. We see him at Final Tribal talking about how upset he was with his dad.

[01:20:38] But now after losing him, he feels like, dang, I wish I kind of like, I wish I gave him more props because he was in a different country. And I just think that's when Survivor is running at its best, when we have real conversations like that. So vulnerability, I just love it. I love that as well, Juwan. And I think just Oscar and his dad, I think that touched me.

[01:21:04] But I think the thing that brought me to tears, because I'm a softie as well, I can cry at a drop of a dime. And again, like we said, Rick Devins and Ozzy, they haven't really been working together. And again, I think it's like, at times like this, for me, this is when we say Survivor is a microcosm of the world, where it's like, we don't have to agree on everything, but there are some things that bring us together. And when Rick Devins, when Ozzy was sharing his story to Rick Devins, and when Rick Devins got emotional,

[01:21:33] and when Rick Devins says something to the effect of like, me as a father, I will look at my son like this. And I know that that's how your dad, like I was just like, oh, like that, oh, that hit. And like, you are absolutely right. That was like such a beautiful moment. And again, full circle for Ozzy, like although Ozzy didn't win, and sometimes Survivor, although Jack says, you got to go out there to play to win. You're not playing to win a million dollars.

[01:22:02] What are you doing out there? But again, I think that Wendell has said in previous episodes that Survivor 50 is about kind of like retiring some of our legends and like we might not see them anymore on our screen and also like propelling some of our new legends. And like, even you brought up like Emily Flippen and Jack, like how she went out, right? Like it begs to see her again. But I felt like with Ozzy, it was like a full circle moment where although you didn't win the million dollars,

[01:22:30] you came a complete full circle in your life. You've healed something in you and that you can't put a price on that. And so you are absolutely right about that, Jawan. A hundred percent. No, it did feel like sort of a great moment that almost encapsulated his whole arc from his time on Survivor because the way he spoke about it, it's like then you could like put even his time on Cook Islands in a perspective and the way that he grew throughout it and where he is now. They did such a good job

[01:22:59] in those like couple minutes of showing it of being like this explains so many things about Ozzy that we never really had any idea. And it kind of just put his whole journey into a perspective. I'm just going to say it. This is a hot take. Clip this moment. Timestamp it. Okay. This might be Jawan's favorite episode of the season. Whoa. That's a big, I know that's big. I know we still got some. We got,

[01:23:29] I know we just had Mr. Beats and then we have more episodes to go, but I just felt like the storytelling was so rich. And then Ozzy's goodbye, devastating. Devastating. And yeah, go ahead Bryce, jump in, jump in. I just was, again, cause you know Jawan, I could get emotional and I can get, I let my body be a vessel. And I think for me,

[01:23:57] the pivotal moment for Ozzy was when like, Ozzy thought he'd been playing this million dollar game. And he got to this beach and like at this point, he put his landing gears down and he was landing the plane and he's trying to do all of this stuff. And it just reminds me of people in ourselves where it's like, we can grow out of bad traits and like, you know, we are involved and we think like we're good people

[01:24:27] and like we're at a place in our life where we're like, we are good. And I think that the Ozzy story for me, the way it touched me was like, we're ever evolving creatures. Like we don't ever put the landing gear down because guess what? There are still places we need to go even when we think we have that million dollars. Like that was like what I took away from Ozzy. And it was like, for me, y'all know I love me some Oscar and it's like, Ozzy,

[01:24:55] the million dollars ain't nothing to you, my love. Like you got something better coming, but you had to get to this moment. That's like, and like, oh, I'm so happy you brought it here. We brought it here because we like, we joke so much on Survivor News and it's like, that was such a real moment that I felt where it's just like, yeah, like we get complacent or we're like, we think we're good or we think like we're at the point of like, and it's like, no, no, no, no, baby. Like, yeah, there is no ceiling. It continues to evolve. I love that Bryce. And you know me,

[01:25:25] I love me some horror movies, but watching his goodbye felt like a tragedy. Like, you know, William Shakespeare tragedy because they beautifully laid out the dream he was having. He was like, yo, I just had a dream that I got voted out with an idol. And this has happened to this man. Micronesia, like it's happened before. So it's just kind of beautifully tragic in a weird way that he gets so close again, arguably playing the best game he's ever.

[01:25:54] He's actually adapted himself. He's Oscar. Now he's having a social game. He's playing in the middle. He doesn't need immunities. He has idols. And for him to like, kind of get like a prophecy that, Hey, there's going to be you tonight. And then they, they beautifully have him talk about his dad. He connects with Rick Devons. And he was supposed to be the target, like episode one and two. Remember, Sari and Ozzy were on the bottom against Rick and like,

[01:26:23] Christian and them. So to see him make it out of that and fall into complacency again, it is beautiful. It is tragic. And this is why I like Survivor. Yeah. And it's like comedy. It's sort of, um, sorry. I had the, like, it's a great, it's a great shot. It's kind of, uh, like Hamlet a little bit. Yeah. It's like, he's see, he like reminded of his father and he like sees, like his dream is almost like seeing the ghost of,

[01:26:53] of that. And then it was like a tragic. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. Come on. College educated men. Okay. But also. Cause he's not. Yeah. But also how many times in our lives does our intuition tell us something and we ignore it. Right. Like how many times did the saxophone start playing? How many times do like, you know, you like, again, the spidey senses,

[01:27:22] the spidey senses. It's like, you got to trust your intuition sometimes. And again, you go against your better judgment. And again, like, that's why it's like, yeah. I'll throw the weird. Sorry. I know we're wrapping up. Like, I think that Ozzy's whole spiel to Aubrey was really the downfall. And obviously things in the game can shift a lot, but when we talk about, you know,

[01:27:50] him not playing his idol was such a sign of trust in the people he thought he had, which I felt like maybe he should have had. But what I will say is look like to me, it sort of reaches a point where it's not about the idol, because if, if he needed to play the idol here, is it not sort of a sign that his game was in a lot of jeopardy anyways? And not to say that you wouldn't rather play it, survive and see what happens.

[01:28:18] But if you're at nine and your second closest ally is turning on you and everybody but Sari really seems to want you out, then at that point, it's almost like, let me see if I can get through this, keep my idol and use that to my, no, no, I'm not saying that obviously knowing these things, you, you, you play the idol, but it's like the fact that he even had to play the idol. Like if he had played the idol as successfully, it's like, he still is sort of in trouble.

[01:28:48] Right. But that also brings up Rick Devins now. Rick Devins did it. And he's still in trouble, but at least Rick is on the beach. Rick is on the beach, you know? Obviously things can change where Ozzy's a challenge beast, whatever. It's so valid, but I do think it's, I mean, to the point of Rick Devins, the fact he had to do all these things, kind of assign his game, not in the best state. Obviously things can change, but he played that way in his first season. I keep jumping in my bad, bro, but he played that way when his first season,

[01:29:18] that's what he's used to. He's the type of guy that's probably used to a toxic relationship. It was like, this is normal for me. It worked out last time. And like, you know, he made it to the final, what three loss. Yeah. Maybe he's a unique kid. Right. Right. That's very, obviously look, that's not to say the game can change a lot, but it was more of like, I think it was less about the not playing of, this is more in almost in defensive. It's like, it's not about the not playing of the idol. It's the fact that the people he thought he was close with,

[01:29:45] who I think he had every reason to trust wanted him out. So it's like, yeah, if you play the idol, but it just, it just kind of shows his game was already in kind of a delicate spot. Granted, it is also tough with these like split tribals where maybe you're not on the best footing with three people, but if you're at a tribal of nine, that's not as big of a deal necessarily. Yeah. And, you know, to, and to, to counter my own point to go back to Sari, she could probably get him right. So,

[01:30:15] you know, absolutely. But one thing's for sure. Two things for certain is two episodes left and a lot can happen. And a lot is shifting. And I'm very blessed to be able to have this conversations with these two young lads that could bring out the emotional, the funny, the chaotic. Joanne said, well, why are you taking shots at me? Okay. Listen, we come full circle over here, but it's all love. And so Joanne,

[01:30:45] it's been an honor for you to finally pop. Wait up. Hold up. Wait, hold up. Wait, I don't know what you're about to say. Hold up. Wait a minute. Before y'all send me out the door, who, who are we rooting for? Who's the winner picks? Y'all, y'all can't just end this without telling me who y'all rooting for. Bryce. And then Jack. I mean, listen, I'm made it very clear. I'm rooting for Sari. I'm rooting for Aubrey. I'm rooting for Tiffany.

[01:31:13] I'm rooting for the Riz God. I'm rooting for Rick Devins. And I'm rooting for, for Joe Hunt. Yeah. Do you just name all seven? You sound like Sari. I didn't say Jonathan. Um, I mean, my top two. Got to be Tiffany and Devins with, with Sari and Rizzo. A notch below. I would say. Can I, let me almost jump in. Is this weird to say?

[01:31:42] I almost, I'm absolute, first of all, did y'all see the Riz God on, uh, the Empire State Building, like yelling. The Empire State, he was at Empire State Building, yelling. I was just like, I wonder what Venus is thinking right now. But, I, in a weird way, the way that I am loving the arc of Riz God, is this weird to say? I almost don't want Riz God, like, I want him to win, but I don't even want him to win season 50.

[01:32:11] You want him to have like more unfinished. I want to see more, I want to see more and more of the Riz God, but I don't want to see him from a winner's arc. Because sometimes, when you see returning players, you see how they just snipe all of the winners, right? Like, it's like, but that sounds like so weird to say, but like, I don't know. He's got so much left, I think, in his survivor career, that it's almost like, you want him to keep chasing that baby. Yeah. But I'm rooting. But that's it. But that's, who you got your mind.

[01:32:39] for Riz God to win this season would be like, you know, like kind of a weird, it would be fun, but it would be kind of a weird surprise, it would be a crazy two season arc. It would age, I think it would help 49 age better. Like if you had to watch 49, like as a prerequisite, like, Oh, to see his arc and to see him blossom into a win. That would be kind of cool. I don't know if they've ever done something like that. You know, a two season arc like that. That would be crazy. That like that, that would be other than Russell,

[01:33:10] Russell Hans with 19 and 20. No one's ever obviously won right off the, the, the, Russell Hans never won. Well, I would say even people that went back to back, they've never, I mean, people have gotten close. Like Amanda, Russell. Yeah. All that. But. So you can only pick one person. Jawan, who you rooting for? Oh, you can't do me like that. You can't do me like that.

[01:33:35] Obviously I would love for a Cere win to end 50 with a Cere win. It can't get no better than that. That's an automatic top three season of all time, but I'm rooting for, I feel like I'm really, I got a roof for my boy Rizzo. I got a roof for Joe. Um, but I, you know, someone we haven't talked about a lot. I feel like I really like Aubrey, how scrappy she was on the bottom. I rewatched. Cool wrongs. Like highlight of her on a cool wrong.

[01:34:05] And she's underrated, like scrap, like she's used to playing from the bottom. So I want to give Aubrey some flowers, but I think I really want Cere to finish this thing up, but I love you guys. And thank you for this. This has been really cool, man. Always. Dream come true. Stop it. Jawan. It's been a dream for us. Uh, but again, we got two episodes left. It's a lot that can happen. It's been an honor to pop Jawan's purple pants podcast. Cherry, uh,

[01:34:35] we'll be back next week covering episode 12 and 11. The baby boys will be on the road. Chicago, LA. We come in New York. What's up? Baltimore. What's up? We'll be back next week. Hamlet. Peace. It's a purple pants. It's a purple pants. It's a purple pants podcast. You better get your headphones and listen up quick. It's a purple pants podcast. You better listen in public. Might make your stomach hurt.

[01:35:04] It's a purple pants podcast. She's trying to unwind. You better get that box wine. It's a purple pants podcast. She's trying to get your snack. You better hurry right back though. It's a purple pants. It's a purple pants.