Survivor 50: What Worked?

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[00:01:46] Join Jack, myself, and Wendeezy as we figure out where Wendeezy was these past couple of weeks. We get his take on the ending of Survivor 50 and we also talk about what worked this season. The twist, the cast. We also talk about what didn't work. What would we like to see different in the open era? This and so much more. So let's get in to your Survivor News.

[00:02:23] Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Da, da, da. And we are back. We saying back, but it's not a new season yet.

[00:02:47] But your baby boys, Destiny's Child 3LW has decided to arrive and come back and give you some more Survivor 50 content. The baby boys. Beyonce's back, baby. Beyonce is back. Okay. Now, let's welcome back to the podcast. You might know from The Floor is Lava, The Circle Season 2.

[00:03:15] Mr. Jackery Atkins was popping with you. Let's go, man. I'm excited to be here. You know, we did our other post-season 50 episode and I felt like people enjoyed it. I was like, let's keep the momentum going and just keep there's so much to unpack and talk about with this milestone season. So I'm just glad to be back and, you know, get Beyonce back in the building. Well, let's talk about Beyonce, Jack, because.

[00:03:46] Because we all know the real Beyonce. Okay. But let's talk about that, Jack, because. I'm going to hold your feet to the fire, Jack. Oh, boy. People were asking, where's Wendeezy? Where's Wendeezy? I was seeing rumors that he was here, there, wherever. The bitch was home. Okay. So let's clear that up. Two, we started this season.

[00:04:16] Okay. The posse, if y'all remember, we started this season and who was putting belt to ass? Jack. Okay. Jack was laying down the hammer behind the scenes. And when DZ came to the podcast four times late, popped up, popping. And Wendell, what did Jack say to you on that last episode after we hung up? Jack said, don't even come.

[00:04:45] So there's the answer. Jack put Wendell on spring break. Bryce, whatever you say. My fault, Wendell. Wendeezy, am I lying? He put me on spring break. So Bryce, let me ask you this then. Because there was a few times we were about to start recording. Wendell pops it.

[00:05:12] You know, he was on his phone looking a little crusty, but he said, oh, he popped up. Hey guys, I can't wait to. Last night's episode was crazy. Can you believe Rick Devins flipped that coin? And then you just X'd him out of the video. Is that not true? Yeah, because I know how you felt, Jack. You were heated behind the scenes. I mean, look, you can say whatever you want to say about me, but you're the one who I was like, oh, hey, Wendell, I can't wait to hear what you think.

[00:05:40] You know, trying to play it cool, even though I was pissed. Okay. You were the one kicking him out, though, so don't put it all on me. I'm not putting it all on you, but I respect you, Jackery. Okay. And I knew how you felt. But listen. Sure. I'm getting jumped right now. This is crazy. Yeah, Bryce. Hold on. Hold me back. I've been hibernating in my house for a whole month. And y'all want to say, y'all just want to jump me right now.

[00:06:08] I thought I was doing a good job for a couple episodes. You know what? And you were. And this is why, now that you're back from spring break. I think we're not trying to jump you. We're trying to say, hey, maybe we were wrong. You know, maybe, maybe, maybe we did miss you while you were on spring break a little bit. It's good to have you back. I'm just confused because the episodes that you weren't there, people were in the comments saying, this is the most Wendell's talk all season.

[00:06:40] This is bad. But since he is off of punishment from Jack, let's welcome back to the podcast. You might know him from Ghost Island. You might know him from Beach Cabana Royale. You might know him from Extreme Home Makeover. You might know him from... The goat. The goat. You might know him from Hotline.

[00:07:06] You might know him currently streaming on Hulu right now. Design for Glass. Hashtag. Okay. But more importantly, you know... I was about to say ninja.

[00:07:32] Importantly, you know him from the first merch booth and Winners at War when DZ was popping with you. Well, thank you for the gracious intro. I want to tell you guys that I'm here to do better. I'm going to podcast better. During the offseason, I'm going to give you all I got. And during Survivor 51, I'm going to give you all I got.

[00:08:01] So, I apologize for dropping the ball. We back. Let's get it. Can I have a clean slate? That's all I ask. Well, what did you eat? That all depends on what you ate. I don't know if your water is going to be cleaner. What? I said get a clean slate. What? So, listen. A lot has happened. Oh.

[00:08:36] 50. Aubrey won. Yeah, Wendell, when was the last time we podcasted with you? Was it... Devins? Was it Devins? It might have been. So, yeah. Tell us about, you know, while you were on spring break, when did you have the opportunity to finish watching the season and break down your thoughts on the endgame? Yeah. I started... I watched... Within the last week, I caught up on everything.

[00:09:06] And I was so proud and impressed with Tiffany. And, like, I'm like, our girl is in it. Our girl is locked in. And then they basically... They jumped her. They're like, everybody's doing everything to get her out. I'm like, man. It was hard to watch. But I'm so freaking proud of Tiffany winning those immunities, standing up, just doing it on her own.

[00:09:34] While other people are collaborating and sharing info and sharing the lettering, all of that stuff, I was so proud of Tiffany. So, I'm going to start there. That's our girl. We love Tiffany. And we were rooting for her all season. That's our real life girl. That's our friend. But I will also say... No. And I will also say, very proud of Aubrey. Played a great game. Back against the wall a lot.

[00:10:01] Didn't have the most locked in allies at times. And she found a way. She found a way to stay in the game. Stay in the game. Stay in the game. And the name of these games is make it to the next day. You don't know what's going to open up. And in her case, and you make it to the next day. You make it to the next day. Maybe you'll win in immunity. I remember on Winners at War, Michelle, I'm just like, please just make it to the next day. I'm on the edge of extinction. Y'all know I'm the merge boot, right? But I'm seeing her battling each day. Just please, girl, make it to the next day.

[00:10:30] Then all of a sudden you win in immunity. Then your game changes. In Aubrey's case, that's what happened. Like, she stayed in it. And when she needed to, when the three fellas were ready to get her out of there by any means, she won some motion, got to the end, and did what she had to do. So, go ahead. Were you here for Ozzy? Did we talk about Ozzy? No. I was not here for the Ozzy. I was not here for the Sari. Oh.

[00:10:59] I was not here for Devon's. Yeah. So, I saw, I crammed all that stuff when I just did my watch. Bro. So, Ozzy went out with the split on the same island and Jonathan running back and forth. I'll tell you what. I liked watching, I liked the mechanic of having these two tribes, and I liked Jonathan running back and forth.

[00:11:27] I thought, as much as I was rooting for other people, I'm rooting for Ozzy, I'm rooting for Tiff, but I liked watching Jonathan do this. And I've said it all season. I've liked Jonathan's game all season long. And we can get into talking about his sentiment because he really wanted to win. He vocalized all that after the fact. But I liked watching him go.

[00:11:49] And our boy Ozzy, this is our friend, he handed his whole game to Aubrey, and she did what she was supposed to do. Great. Because she was on the outs. In these games, you find whatever you can, and if someone hands you something, that can be their demise. And that was Ozzy's demise. And he was playing such a great game.

[00:12:17] I thought, in more reflection, I think it's so interesting of how Ozzy went out and then Jonathan, right? Where Ozzy goes out by essentially trying to, like, pat the jury. Like, hey, my friend, my friend. And, like, in Jonathan's case, Jonathan, like, bop, bop. Like, you know, like... I do that.

[00:12:45] And so it's kind of interesting to see, like, where when people are like, Aubrey once? Like, yeah. Yeah, and, like, looking at the mechanics of it, it almost is like poetry. I'd also... It kind of is. It kind of is. Ozzy went out trying to manage the jury. His forte is not jury management. And Jonathan lost because he couldn't do great jury management. He was just trying to eliminate his threats.

[00:13:15] But I will say, though, I think there was an era when a Jonathan's game would have got the job done. Oh, yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. Like... I mean, just like Stephanie said, it was, you know, kind of the quintessential old school game, among other things that she said. You know, but... Dare I say season one through 40.

[00:13:44] The way he was cracking those coconuts open. Stephanie wanted to be a coconut. Or maybe Bryce did. I don't know. I don't know. Did you watch the live finale? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What did you think of the probes slip up? I thought he managed it well. I thought the way he came back and called it a twist or whatever. I'm like, all right.

[00:14:14] Like, I think it sucks. And I think if you're Rizzo especially. I think for this to happen to anyone, if it happens to a Rizzo, it's like, dag, that is the super duper duper duper duper fan that's probably crying on the inside right now. But Rizzo looked like he took it well. And probes kind of kept things moving fine. It was a slip up. It's live TV. Those things happen. And I hope in the moment people weren't like, oh, probes is losing his touch. Whatever. I don't know how people received it at the moment.

[00:14:45] But yeah, it sucks. But they kept the show moving. I think it's one of those things where it kind of sucked in the moment. And being on the West Coast, I heard that this had happened before I saw watching it. Like, the first thing I saw about it was my mom texted me, oops, Jeff. And I was like, and then I started hearing from a bunch of other friends like, oh, my God. And I was like, wow. But I think it's one of those things that kind of sucks in the moment.

[00:15:11] Although, you know, the Rizzo versus Jonathan matchup, we could kind of anticipate where that was going. And I think looking back, it's going to be one of those things that will sort of live in Survivor lore as kind of a funny moment. So, you know, if you rewatch it, it's one of those things where you might be like, oh, here's when this happens. You know? Rizzo's going to play 10 more times. He's going to get his win. And they're going to look back on this and laugh. Yeah. Yeah. And I even think there was a lot of behind the scenes footage.

[00:15:41] And I think there was a clip someone even played where Rizzo was like, I'm glad I don't have to cry on TV now. Where it kind of almost saved him. There was apparently a lot of drama between the cast going on, which was interesting. We didn't really get a live reunion. Jeff just asked like two questions. Yeah. Wendell, I'm curious too, actually.

[00:16:12] Bryce and I did an episode breaking down all of the finale tea. And you were obviously on the last returning season before this. And I think what lends itself to a lot of the conflict that went down is those past relationships. Is the heightened emotions involved with, you know, what it was presumed to be iconic season. Much like Winners at War. What were the vibes? And you guys, or I guess you guys didn't have a live finale because it was COVID.

[00:16:40] But when your season was wrapping up, like, was there a lot of drama going on? Like, how did that feel with that 40 cast compared to, you know, your original Ghost Island? That's a great question. And it's the same. I think there might be more drama now and we're, you know, a month out. So there's, we're in the heat of the moment right now. But I'll tell you this. As a one-time player going into season 40 with my scope only being one awesome season, then I won.

[00:17:08] So it's like, I left, Ghost Island was a tight cast. We all left as friends, the majority of us. And it was so recent. I was riding this high. I'm so excited. I thought Winners at War was going to be the same thing. You go in there, you make a bunch of friends, win, lose, or draw. It's all good. On returning seasons, especially with players that have played a few times, have lost a couple times, etc. It's a different game. They're going out there for business.

[00:17:36] They ain't trying to make friends and you got $2 million on the line, just like Winners at War. They are out there for that money. They don't need friends. They don't want friends. And that was kind of my mistake on Winners at War, thinking that, you know, we could play hard and leave with a bunch of friends. I didn't leave Winners at War with a bunch of friends. I left with maybe like five or six friends, you know. Now, granted. It's a good amount of friends. I mean, I'm out there though.

[00:18:04] I mean, Bryce played with Tony and Bryce doesn't even have Tony's phone number. So, so there's not. What were you like that first day on the beach? Oh, that first day I was locked in, bro. No, I wasn't Rizzo. Don't do that. No, I was locked. I was locked. And that, that is crazy. You were Rizzo on season 40. Here he goes. Here he goes.

[00:18:33] Hey, Boston Rob. I was locked. I was locked. I had my, I had my peep. I was locked. You know what? Fine. I was Rizzo. Okay. I was Rizzo. Is that, is that Jeremy Collins? Bro. Chill. I was a big fan of yours. That's not how I did it. I was playing against Jeremy. That's not.

[00:19:03] So I guess before we dive into the sort of the rest of the episode, Wendell, just catching up on your, you know, your viewing of the rest of the season where, like I said, I think the last we talked was with the Devins coin flip. Did you feel like the rest of the season, like exceeded your expectations, met your expectations, or maybe didn't quite hit the mark for you? I think it met my expectations. I think this was a really good season.

[00:19:32] I think we've got a really good winner. I think we've got some really good controversy. I think we've got some really good, like Tiffany, like our lost, our fallen goddesses, you know, like I think it was a really great season. I remember, yeah, I'm happy with the way it went. I'm happy with the drama even. That's better for the show. And Aubrey got her win. She got two M's. Congratulations, Queen.

[00:20:02] Like you played a lot. And for you to kind of, you know, I feel like her story has a nice button at the end now. What do you say to the people that were like, she won because of her relationships, because this was her fifth, fourth time playing as opposed to her actual game in this era? I'd say that that could have given her a little nudge. And that's who you're playing against.

[00:20:31] I played against Ethan and Parvati and Rob and all these players who we knew we can't put them anywhere near the end for that very reason. We didn't have a plan going into winners at war saying we're going to take out all the Rushmore. Rushmore. But any good player knows there are players you don't want to sit next to at the end. And Rizzo, Jonathan, Joe were trying their best to get her out. They just kept her a little too long. Like, yeah, yeah.

[00:21:01] You're battling. You're battling history. And it might sway some people. I don't even know if they feel like they kept her too long, because I feel like at that time, Jonathan felt like he could beat her. A little bit. I mean, we know they would have wanted her gone at four ideally. But when you get her to four, then it's a little out of your control. Yeah, they wanted to get her out. I mean, they knew that. They thought Tiffany first.

[00:21:29] And then they were like, all right, we got to get her out at fire. And she won some motion. And Jonathan played a strong game. And he had a lot of allies over there. Not enough. But he did play a very strong game. He did take a lot of big swings and big shots. He had a case. And she had a lot of allies. And she sent them to the jury and talked it through best. Yeah. It's an interesting thing, because I appreciate you saying that I think it could give a nudge, because I think that it does.

[00:21:58] But at the same time, especially when you know the cast before you even go out. I mean, these players all had the opportunity to be like, OK, here's some of these connections that Aubrey might have. But it is an interesting balance within the game. And this is speaking more generally than whether Aubrey versus Jonathan situation.

[00:22:20] But if I was in an endgame position with an Aubrey, you're sort of looking at how do I balance her gameplay within the vacuum of the season? But then I'm factoring in, you know, her connections with like Sari and Ozzie and Eric Devins and a Christian. And but you're sitting there kind of at the endgame. All those people are on the jury. It's like, how are they going to view how are they going to balance her game this season versus maybe their connection?

[00:22:50] And obviously, if you know somebody, you are going to be a little more inclined to vote for them. And that's a factor that you can weigh in whether you want to go far with Aubrey. But I think it's an extra level to the game that it's like, how do those things really balance out? Was one of Jonathan's arguments at the moment on battling someone's history? Or was that something that came after the fact when people started like really thinking about this? More after the fact. More after the fact.

[00:23:15] Because one, I mean, and it would take the right player to sit there and be like, I am battling this ghost of the past, you know? Well, I don't see Jonathan arguing that. But a way to get ahead of that is for him to actually acknowledge that to all those jurors. But I also feel like the more we talk about it again, to me, it's almost more of an ode to Aubrey because it's like.

[00:23:45] Like, when we talk about her relationships with all these people, that's really a hindrance, right? When you're out there, it really like it kind of weighs you down. That's a reason to get you out. I disagree. Well, yes and no, I think. So, right. I'm just saying, like, I don't think it just tips one way where it's like, oh, she got to the end and she has all these relationships. Like, I look at it as like going out. Like, it's like a surreal. It's like a juggling act that she has. Right.

[00:24:10] It's like a how do you keep the scale even where it's not hurting you and it's not against you. And so, like, thinking of it in that way, it's like that puts a little more, a lot more respect on her game. It's true. I mean, there's a component of, look, I think going out there, you'd want to be in the position where you have a lot of, like, a good amount of connections. I think is ideal.

[00:24:34] But I guess even to what Wendell said with winners at war, the most connected players had targets on their back because they had more history. So I think that's, I mean, that's a great tie in, Bryce. Although, and I also think it's like, hey, if you know a lot of people and you're naturally going to have to vote pretty much all of them out, that creates a juggling act. Like, how do I send people that I have, like, a pass with out the door without them feeling, like, bitter about it? But that brings a good question up, though, right?

[00:25:03] Because I feel like we're at season 50 and it's like this new era, right? Against the old school. What? Because when I remember season 40, I felt like it was old school. I felt like we were watching an old school game. What era was that? Like, did we consider the 30s? That still was.

[00:25:29] I mean, back then, it's like, I don't think the eras, they weren't as well defined. It still was new school, though, right? New school, but not new era. I would say it is like, yeah. But still, still a new version of playing the game where I feel like in season 40, it felt like the old school way dominated. Where in season 50, I do. I would just. Well, maybe in the beginning. Maybe in the beginning.

[00:25:59] And mind you, maybe you're right. But I felt like in the beginning, it was. But maybe I'm not remembering Winners at 4 that well. At the beginning, all the old school players were eliminated. Yeah. But that, in my mind, is very old school. Way to pull it.

[00:26:24] I mean, because the old school players were in the minority alliance and you guys stuck to the majority and picked them off. Thank you, Jack. I think. Way to end that play, Jack. Good job. Yeah, you made it work well. Well, it's tough with Winners at War because I do think there was a lot of old school value. I mean, you have so many winners from the old eras that were bringing that old school flavor.

[00:26:50] But at the same time, you got fire tokens in the Edge of Extinction and all these new school twists that people had to navigate. I didn't feel like Winners at War was particularly felt super old school. But I mean, obviously, you had sort of the old school versus new school dynamic, which honestly, we didn't see as much in 50 as I thought people maybe expected. What do you think? How do you feel like 50 was played? Do you feel like 50 was more new?

[00:27:21] Yeah. Well, I think you had like the cloth sort of embodying the old school style. But within that, you had new era players like Jonathan and like Joe. So it wasn't necessarily like an old school versus new era alliance. Like if you were new era, you stuck together. If you were old era, like I feel like it wasn't Winners at War.

[00:27:45] But this, I did think maybe embodied those old school values versus the new school values. Maybe more than 40 did. Yeah. And I'm not talking about like the new era sticking together. I'm just talking about like the pace and how the game shakes out. Well, I definitely still thought this was like new, very new era in that sense. Partly just because of all the twists that were getting thrown out. Right.

[00:28:11] Like when you have episodes where two people are going home and there's a twist every other episode, it's like it's just by even if everyone wants to play kind of old school by nature, it's going to end up feeling like faster paced and a little bit chaotic, which I think is kind of associated with the new era. Did we like that? Do we like that? Do we feel like that worked? Good segue. It's so, yeah, I think this is I like that.

[00:28:37] This is what we're starting with because, you know, like just to preface, like we wanted this episode. We want to talk about what worked and what didn't in season 50. And to me. I didn't think that that worked very well. And it's partly it's a product of look, they wanted 24 players on this cast and they're still doing the 26 day thing.

[00:29:04] And if those are concrete pieces in your puzzle and then you have CBS saying, hey, this has to be, you know, 13 episodes that does create limitations on how can you execute the season? Like there's going to have to be episodes where two people go home, three people go home. But I feel like when that happens and there's all these different twists involved, it's so hard to like actually. Like you're constantly adjusting to these twists.

[00:29:34] So I guess what people say about it a lot is like it leads almost to safer gameplay, because how do you go and facilitate like a move and start like rallying the troops for a blind side when, oh, I've got my numbers. And now we're getting split into three groups and I don't have my people. And now everybody knows that I've been throwing out Wendell's name. And like now I'm stuck on a job with Wendell and his friends like I'm screwed.

[00:29:58] And I also think that like because the game's just moving so fast, you don't have that breathing room in between votes where like things can really shake up. You know what I mean? And plans can be hatched because you're voting people out every single day. And I think the solution to that in part would be, I think at the top of the season, we were expecting a lot more of those like double boots where, hey, two tribes are going to tribal council.

[00:30:23] And I think like the first, I don't know, four episodes, you know, minus the Kyle medevac, it was like one boot. So now all of a sudden we had like nine episodes left and we had like 20 people. And so all of like the culling of the numbers happens like at the merge basically. But I find the merge votes to typically be a lot more interesting than like, you know, the first couple boots. So I think it would have worked a lot better if the first few tribals, it was just two tribes going to tribal council.

[00:30:53] So that later in the season, you could have just had more of those like singular vote outs that could have had room to breathe and be a little bit more iconic than like, oh, hey, we're getting rid of three people or two people tonight. Just back to back. And it's the final, it's the final seven. And we're getting rid of two people back to back. Do you feel like, or do y'all feel like the 26 days were here? I think it could have been longer.

[00:31:20] I mean, I think, and I think that that's what Jack's saying because you have so many players in such a short amount of time, you know, unless the mechanic was like Jack said, you get rid of a couple people, a few episodes in a row early. So now it's like, all right, now let's play some, now let's play some real game as opposed to a couple here, a couple there, a couple at the end. Yeah. So 26 days. I mean, that's the, that's what we have to deal with. They're not, they're not going back to 40 days. Yeah.

[00:31:49] And even if they were, I wouldn't want them to for 50 because of the new era was 26 days. It's like, I, a part of me wanted to see some of these Goliaths maneuver in this microwave. Now I agree with you, Jack. Like, I think they could have slowed it down in the beginning and then sped it up a little bit. But like. Yes. Yes. Yes.

[00:32:14] But like for me, the 26 days, I, I, I like to see these Goliaths in this vacuum seal. Yeah. It's tough to talk too much about the difference between that. Cause it just seems like 26 days is the new normal. But I do think that for a couple of other reasons that I think are a little bit less obvious. I wish it was longer first being. You just get, if it's 39 days, you get 50% more content.

[00:32:41] And so you're getting these down days at camp where interesting conversations and like just fun scenes are happening that literally never have the chance to even occur. Now that if they make the edit, you're working with 50% more material. It's going to make the episodes that much better. And then the other component, and this was sort of detailed to me by like a friend of mine who worked kind of on the show is even with the challenges and stuff. You got these friends.

[00:33:11] You got to think about the production side of things where they're working on a 26 day timeline. They don't have as much time to like build out these challenges, for example. And so even in terms of the challenges we're seeing a lot of times, that's why we get kind of the same sort of challenges where it's a puzzle we've seen before, or maybe they're like standing on a balance beam because those are like the easiest things to build and to like set up. Um, and because they can reuse them.

[00:33:39] And in the old seasons, they'd be building a lot of new challenges because they had like two days in between every immunity challenge. And now it's every day. They don't even have the chance to do that anymore. So I think there's, and I think there's a happy middle where it doesn't necessarily have to be 39 days. And I doubt they're going to switch off 26 days, but I wish it could be like 32, maybe, you know what I mean? But they don't just have two days before the challenges.

[00:34:07] They have a whole year and a half. What do you mean? Like in the older seasons? No, I'm saying right now, like you're. Oh, to build them out and stuff. Yeah. Wait, I'm eating plastic again, Bryce. First of all, if you're eating plastic, get it out of your mouth. It's a cough drop. Your cough drop. Okay.

[00:34:32] Second of all, they don't have a year and a half to build these things out. They film back to back. And one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10. They know it's coming.

[00:35:01] What does the 10 have to do with that? Like 10 months? Season 47, season 48. Hey. Are we ever going to get this? Start building now for season 53, 54. Got it. I'm not. I don't hate that. But obviously, and now this could happen. Like they all, the building kind of has to happen on the island and they're only in Fiji for so long.

[00:35:29] But look, maybe you hire a couple extra people that start building challenges for the next season while the season's going on. I'll build. Get Wendell and Wendell and Wenny and then Bryce, you and I can pull up. And that's all you need. Yeah. All right. That's real. That's real. Okay. I stand down. So we talked about sort of the 26 and the pace. And I also mentioned, I guess, the nature of these like constant twists.

[00:35:59] And that tied into, I think, why the 26 didn't work. But I'm curious if you guys thought all of these twists, like the blood moon. And then some were good and some were bad. I think we could say like the blood moon. And then there was like the duos twist. And then you have like the Jonathan going back and forth between the beaches. And that was almost every episode, you know, Mr. Beast coin episode. Like that's almost every episode. Is that something that you guys felt like worked or you would have just liked it to be a little bit more straightforward?

[00:36:32] I can go first if you don't want to go first. I say green light to all of these weird little collabos, you know, like bring us into the new era. Bring us into a collaborative era. Yes. I say yes. Green light. Maybe Zach Brown could have been a lot shorter, 10 minutes off of that. But I'm here for the collaborations. I'm here for them figuring out ways to expand the brand.

[00:36:59] Because at the same time, we're watching Survivor grow and reach the youth. We're watching another show that was great for the last two decades. The challenge, fall off the planet because all of their fan base is a bunch of boomers. So you got you got one show that hits the reset button and actively finds ways to open up the market or open up the fan base. You have another show that seems like they're sticking to an equation and we're watching them shrink.

[00:37:29] So I'm a fan of growth. I'm a fan of figuring it out. I'm a fan of trying it. And if it works, great. If it doesn't work, scrap things. And to me, that's what Survivors continue to do. Agreed. Agreed. Good analogy with the challenge. My, I liked, I liked the cons. I liked it. However, I do feel like I did want for 50 a slower pace.

[00:37:56] Like, not so much all the time, right? Because I almost wanted it like, I wanted new era. And I feel like the 26 days speeds it up. But I also wanted it like back to basics a little bit where it's like, allow the cloth to breathe. Right? A lot like, so, but I do like interwining in some of the new things. And so it's like, yeah, the episode was at Brown. I'm good. Right?

[00:38:24] But like, I feel like we could have split them up. We could have had the blood moon. We could have had the Mr. Beast point flip. Like everything else but Zac Brown. I loved. And so it's like, you don't got to throw it in our face. Give us time to, you know, just. Yeah. Well, I think with, so, I mean, we definitely want to get into the celebrity collaborations. But I think even just with the pace of the twist, my biggest issue with it is that.

[00:38:54] When you kind of know there's a new twist. If you're a player and you know there's like a new twist coming every day. How do you really even start to like make a plan for the next tribal? Because it's like, all right, we might get split up into groups that I can't even anticipate. So I'm not going to be out here like throwing names out or making plans because I might end up with a whole group of random people. You know what I mean? So. And like you said, that just encourages safe gameplay. Exactly. Like, you know what?

[00:39:21] If I if I cannot predict anything and I know that I might be with these four, those four, this four, that four tomorrow. I'm only going to play it safe. I'm going to play a neutral. I'm going to stay right here. I'm going to act cool with everybody. I'm not going to make any waves. Like, I didn't feel like there was a there probably was, but I'm not like when I'm looking back, nothing comes to mind of a vote out where a plan was like.

[00:39:48] Really hatching and like a plan was in the works from the start of the episode or even before until the very end, it would sort of be like the episode starts. You have a little fun scene. Then we see them go and get this. Well, you know, whatever the episodes twist is challenge happens. And then it's like, oh, Christian's vulnerable.

[00:40:08] I guess it's Christian or like, oh, well, now that we split into two groups, like, I guess we got to go for Ozzy and just or like, oh, we're doing do. And I actually like the duo. So it's like, oh, we're doing duos now. Like, well, I guess now that the way this is shaped up, Chrissy and coach are the option. But that wasn't even anything like top of the episode where you could really be like, like the episode Christian goes home. There's not a lot up top.

[00:40:36] Where that plan is like starting to form, you know, it all kind of comes out as a response to the twist. And so the gameplay is like reactive. It's not proactive. But see, I almost I'm almost a fan of this style, given the cast and the relationships. Right. Where it's like you never really know who's going to go with who because they're so intertwined. Now, if this was a regular season or half and half, I wouldn't like it so much.

[00:41:06] But I kind of feel like they almost the mechanics of it. Keeps people on their toes. Right. Where it's like you never really know. And I feel like they wanted to test the relationships. I don't think it played out as well, but I think like that was the point of it. So it kind of kept me excited a little bit. Yeah. And what I will say, and Bryce, I feel like you said something about this like a lot, like early in the new era is like, I mean, this is like what the game is now. So if you're a player out there, you can't be like, oh, this isn't fair.

[00:41:36] Like, I didn't expect this because now you like have to expect, I guess, the unexpected, which is like. Yeah. That's part of the reason some people, some people like the old. Some people I'm playing myself. Like when I'm like, I want the big tribe. Like I love the fact that we actually got to have a big tribe, two big tribes. Like we missed that in the old era.

[00:42:03] But I like the fact that like they kind of brought us the old era, but they was like, we're going to shake it up. Like, and so it kind of forces the two to meet. Can I say something that I liked? Yeah. Yes. That I didn't think I initially liked. I thought the cast was great. Like, I think, again, when we was doing our stuff before, I'm like, who the hell?

[00:42:33] Who is this? Mike White. Like, no, again, I was. You're never getting on White Lotus, Bryce. I was. The White Lotus thing really had a chokehold on me. Like, but listen. Oh, my God. Because listen. Bryce literally put it in his mouth. I like the fact that that was a narrative, right? Like, as much as I'm.

[00:43:02] When I rewatched our episodes. It had a chokehold on me, right? Like it had me being like, what's happening? Like, and I think it added a little flavor to the season. And so, like, I think they did an excellent job with casting. Although I was like unsure at first. I think as the season shook out, like everybody did their part. I agree. And people that people were questioning delivered.

[00:43:33] And yeah, it was. I mean, this is a celebratory season. And you got to. At the beginning, of course, there are people that you want to see on. But like, man, you put this great cast out there. You're going to get the coach moments. You know, you're going to get the joke making his alliance and trying to stick all the way. You're going to get Ozzy doing his thing. Sari. Like, she.

[00:43:59] I've compared her game to like LeBron James' game right now. In that. In that. The game comes so slow to her now. It's so easy. Like, she can just sit back and just run the plays. Like, LeBron has played now 20 plus seasons. And it's the game. The game is in slow motion to him. And in her case. She's just so great at it. You know. And we've seen her. So many seasons.

[00:44:29] And now it's just like fine wine watching her game. You know. You got the right players. And I think they delivered. Yeah. I. There definitely was a lot of, I think, pushback when the cast got announced. And look. I mean, I think there was a few kind of glaring misses. Not necessarily of people that they did cast, but more so people that they did not cast. Like. Yeah. I'm sorry.

[00:44:58] How do we not get a Jesse Lopez? You know what I mean? Like, stuff like that. Bryce Isaiah. Of course. Of course. But I think, you know. The. Like, Jesse coming from the new era. One of the. Like, new era standouts. Among others. Among a Bryce Isaiah. One of the old. A Carolyn. A little standouts. Way back. The. One of the originators. One of the. We know. Second Chances 2 is coming. And Bryce is going to be on that. So I'm not. I'm not too worried.

[00:45:28] But. Look. The people that I was. The most hesitant about. I thought for the most part. Like. You know. I was a little worried. Like Colby and Ozzy. Like. Given their last seasons. Were they a little bit. Yeah. Past their prime. And I thought they both brought it this season. Even Jonathan. For. As. Crazy as his. Story was. He came to play. Like, you know. Like he came to play. Um. In the. Even the fact that he is polarizing. Is like.

[00:45:58] That's. Television. You know. Like. Right. For the most part. You know. There's one or two. I think we could all say like. Kind of wish they weren't in there. But. But listen. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Choke my chicken. If you want. I'm okay. No thanks. Wait. Is that. Wait. No. No. That's no way. Wait. No. That's not the thing. No. Don't say that. Be like. Oh wait. Is that the phrase? No. My mistake.

[00:46:29] No. Show me my chicken if you want. And I think he's. Jack. I think he's used this phrase before. Okay. Oh. 100%. Yeah. And that's never. There's literally never the context. No. It's like choke on the hill. This is a hill I choke on. The hill you die on? The hill. Yeah. I mean. Maybe you died. Because you were. Maybe you died on the hill.

[00:46:59] Because you were choking on something. What? You've been in Bear Wild Park too much. Bitch. Listen. Choke my. Choke the chicken if you want. But this is the hill I'll die on. But this is the hill I'm choking on. Oh no. I want to see Joe back. I want to see Joe back. Joe 3.0? Joe.

[00:47:28] Listen. When he's. Joe? 3. Joe? You weren't there. His exit. Jack. Tell Wendell about Joe's exit. Wait. Which one? I don't know if I watched. Joe was like. Well I liked. At Final Tribal. Oh. That's it. And he said. Oh yeah. Someone asked me. They were like. Shut up Wendell. Let's go. It was basically like. Saying at Final Tribal. Like did you ever think about. Something along the lines of like. You know. Calling their game out or whatever.

[00:47:58] And Joe was like. Look. When we got there. I almost told the jury. Just don't even ask me any questions. He's like. Like I knew I wasn't going to win. Listen. He's aware. I'm trying to tell you. I love Joe. Oh I love him. I. The only. Way I'd want to see him back. Is if something in his mind. Flipped. Where he's like. Oh wait. I can just lie. Like. But if he just comes back. On the same kick.

[00:48:29] Like. You know what game. Yeah. We know what we're getting. Listen. But. His mentality is this. It's. They know my game. So yes. I'm going to do the exact opposite. But here's my thing. Y'all keep saying that though. But this man. Got to the end twice. He got no votes either. But listen. No there's something. I'm not disagreeing. And like saying Joe's like a terrible player. But like. Just because you get to the end. Twice.

[00:48:59] Doesn't mean I want you. To come back again. And get to the end a third time. And lose. Like. But I will say like. You know. I feel like. He got. Joe got to dig in a lot of unnecessary flack. Like we can all accept he's not. A devious survivor player. But he's like a good dude. And I feel like. You know. Shout out survivor fact checker on Instagram. But. They run like. Weekly popularity polls for the players. And every week. Joe's is like.

[00:49:28] Not a fan. I'm like. What's he really doing wrong though. Like. You know. You can say you're neutral on Joe. He's just a good man. Exactly. Nice. Loyal. Honest man. Yeah. He saved a few people from a burning building today. Not a fan. Oh man. Wait. So I do want to circle back to. You know. We talked about the twists and all that. And Wendell. You brought up the. Celebrity cameos. Which I think is a discussion that is worth having.

[00:49:59] Both. In regards to the twists that they brought to the table. But also just. Like. The celebrity cameos. As of. As a function in this season. And what we thought about those. Because it sounds like you kind of. Like them. And like. I get. What you're saying about like. Getting the promo. Bringing new viewers in. This season like. Did seem like it performed well. In terms of viewership. But I do. I personally do think that. Like. All in all. I thought the celebrity cameos. Were like the worst. Part of the season.

[00:50:30] And I agree. I hear you. I hear you. And a lot of. A lot of people hang that on. On Zach Brown's. Time. Mr. Beast didn't have as much time as Zach did. And it made for that great. Rick Devens moment. Right. And Aubrey's probably happy about it. But if you told me going into the season. That. Mr. Beast was going to be the highlight. Of the celebrities. I'd be like. Oh boy. Because. Well. So here's. Here's. Billy Eilish didn't do much.

[00:51:00] That's the thing. I thought Mr. Beast was the best of it. And I thought that the energy that he brought to the show. Partly. Due to the fact that he didn't. Feel like he had to like. Overdo it. And he was down and just chill. I thought that was nice. And listening to him talk. He did a podcast for Rob. See. And I thought his thoughts on like. Survivor. And reality TV. And like being a producer of television. Were like really. Interesting. And like respectable. You know. Like I.

[00:51:30] He has a passion. And a respect for. The show. And the twist. Well. I think the twist could have worked out real bad. Fortunately worked out good. But then you look at. I mean. We had Zach Brown. And I don't even put that much on Zach Brown himself. But more on the show. Choosing to just like. Highlight him so much. Unnecessary. And he didn't really. Do a whole. I don't even remember. Like was there a twist involved with that? Like. You got a free concert.

[00:52:00] And he killed. Like. Again. For me. I felt like that was more. Political. I should say. Or like. You know. They wanted a certain type of audience. My only thing is. Like you said. With Mr. Beats. Get somebody that. Like. That watch. Like that actually. Enjoys the show. I don't care who they are. Right. Like. It could be. Angelina Jolie. It could be. Randy Savage. Like. I'm just. Like somebody that.

[00:52:30] And you're. But you're saying. You're agreeing. Mr. Beats. Is the guy that does enjoy the show. Yes. Like. It has an understanding of. Yeah. As opposed to. Billie Eilish. Exactly. Who didn't even. Yes. I don't know if you saw. An interview she did. I think it was like. Amy Poehler. I don't know if this was before. You were on spring break. Or after. Do you see this? Oh. So. She did a podcast. With like. Amy Poehler. From like. Parks and Rec. And she. Amy Poehler. You gotta go watch this later.

[00:53:00] She was like. So you got like a. Idol on Survivor. Billy was like. Like. Yeah. I don't really know. Like what it is. Like. She's like. It's this like. Billie Eilish. Like. Idol. I guess. I don't. She's like. I don't. Yeah. She's like. I like Survivor. Um. And then Amy was like. How do you think you do on Survivor? And Billy was like. Ah. I don't know if I'd be good with like all the math. And everyone was like. Like. It was literally giving like. Like. The popular. Like.

[00:53:29] The popular girl in school. Is like. Asking you about like. A hobby you have. And. Because it's not. Because you think it's like. Not cool. You're like. Oh. What's. I don't know what that show is. Like. And so. I. And that's. That was kind of the worst of it to me. Is like. Exactly what Bryce said. Like. Have someone who's actually going to support. And not just doing it for PR. Um. And it does. That's the thing. It sounds like Billy is. Actually a fit. Like. She references Survivor. Like. In her music sometimes. Things like that. Um. But then.

[00:53:58] When it comes. To the show. She just like. Doesn't talk about it at all. Um. And it's. It's just sort of. I think it hurts the prestige. Of Survivor. To be. Like. Making these. Grabs for promo. And then have the people. That are doing it. Like. Not even give a shit. It's like. It makes it look almost worse. And then. Not to mention. My issue too. In this. Also with the Jimmy Fallon. Situation. Less about Jimmy himself. And more about. That twist. Is just like.

[00:54:29] The Mr. Beast twist. Worked out really well. I don't think. Structurally. It could have had a lot of issues. Right. Like. If they have to draw a rock. And Sari. Is the one who flips the coin. And Sari. Goes home. That was a possibility. That would have been awful. And then the Billie Eilish. Boomerang Idol. Maybe it's just because we didn't really see it. Like. Actually. Work out. Boomerang. At this. But it's just like. Even the fact that you couldn't play it. For somebody else. Is like. It's just like. Why are I. This is like.

[00:54:59] These idols are so much worse than they used to be. And then. With the Jimmy Fallon twist. With like. Christian having to. Tell everybody that he like. Had to vote for himself. And. Like. That was a disaster. So. Even outside of these celebrity involvement. It's like. You're then attaching them to these twists. That are just like. All so bad. So now. The twist is bad. We're all like. F you Jimmy Fallon. Like. Even though. Obviously. Wasn't really like. Jimmy's fault. I don't think. You know. So.

[00:55:29] I don't mind. When the twists are bad though. Right. Because I feel like. That's a part of Survivor. Like. Yeah. We hate it. But I feel like. It's a part of like. The Survivor. Legacy. That like. Some of the twists. Just suck. And it's like. Your favorite movie. Or. Yeah. A twist might. Hurt somebody that you're rooting for. But like. That's just how. Much. You know. You're invested in it. Like. I don't want it to be. Readable. Play by play. I guess that's a good attitude. But I.

[00:55:59] I don't agree. But like. I. I. I respect that. You're like. Hey. Sometimes the twist is. Not going to twist in the way you want it to. And like. Yeah. Rollercoaster. Well. The original twist. I guess. Or the biggest game changing twist. Was the introduction of the idol. Right. Correct. And. They've been trying to. I guess. Since then. Because that changed the game. It made for some really awesome gameplay. And people finding it. Without clues. And all that stuff. Of.

[00:56:27] They've been searching for what will be this next idol. And they've been introducing all kinds of things. And. A lot of it. Doesn't work. And some things work. And some things stick. I think it's. I think that's the nature of the game. And I think. Kudos to y'all for continuing to try to figure this thing out. And. Like. Yeah. Like. There were freaking fire tokens on my season. That didn't work. One season in. Grand opening. Grand closing. You know. So. I like.

[00:56:55] I like that they're throwing things at the wall. And regarding the celebrities. You know. Bryce. You're right. Pick celebs that love the show. Angelina Jolie. Jimmy Fallon loves the show. Or. He's continued to talk about the show. Right. Maybe because of Scott. I mean. I had a friend that was at the live finale. That was sitting next to Adam Scott. From Severance. And. Oh. Like. Yeah. But. What about like. What about the Survivor. Celebrities. Themselves.

[00:57:24] We got Taj from SWV. We have. Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson. He's right. I'm just saying like. Mike White could have come back as himself. As for a twist. Um. I had something else. Oh. Oh. I just. The way I look at Survivor. Especially in America now. The way I look at Survivor is as a business. And.

[00:57:52] Their moves are strictly to. Their business moves. Who they cast. The length of the season. And how they're adding and inputting these celebrities. Or whatever. Whatever. It's a business decision. To. Make. This show. Continue to go on. Absolutely. I mean. I'm trying to think. I mean. Totally. But I think sometimes. Look. I'm not.

[00:58:21] I'm not in charge of business at CBS. For a reason. But I think there's certain things that they do. And I think a lot of times. They misattribute. Certain. Like. Responses. To things that they do. Like. For example. I think we talked about this. During a certain episode. With the new era. This came right after COVID. When. During COVID. They put. Old seasons. Including one of the greatest seasons. Kageon.

[00:58:50] On Netflix. During COVID. And a lot of people. And sort of created. A survivor renaissance. Which. Trickled down to. The new era. 41. 42. Getting more viewership. And I think that. The T. I feel like the producers are like. The new era is working. More people are watching. It's like. No. They're watching. Because you put. The best seasons on. Netflix. During COVID. And now people are just like.

[00:59:19] Are watching because of that. And. So. But then I think they take that. And they. I feel like they like to really. Just pat themselves on the back. To be like. What we're doing must be working. We're getting more views. So. Let's keep doing it. And not. Factoring in this other information. Of. Like. Could it be better? You know what I mean? And like. I can respect them getting some celebrity cameos. For the business reason. Of like. Getting more eyes. But at the same time. If your finished product. Suffers. Because of. Doing that. That could also hurt.

[00:59:49] The business. In the long run. So. I mean. I'm sure these are all conversations. That they're having. Like. You know. At CBS. But. It feels like. It's a lot of stuff. That's being spearheaded. Spearheaded by. Jeff. And these other older execs. That maybe. Are not. Fully in touch. With like. What. The. The. Something. Demographic. Or the 30. Something. Demographic. Or different. Diverse. Demographics.

[01:00:19] Are necessarily. Like. Looking for. From the show. And that's not. I'm not even trying to like. Critique too hard. I just think that there's. Maybe like. Looking through it. Like. Looking at the show. Through a different lens. Than. What others might be able to. Look at it through. And that's why they're hanging their hat on Rizzo. He's. He's the. He is the key to the youth. For them. And he's a great character for it. I'd hang my hat on him too. But I also think. That.

[01:00:50] Survivor fans. This is the best way that I could put it. Survivor fans. Wendell. Are like. Philadelphia. Eagles fans. And I think. That. Sometimes. The higher ups. Don't know how. To handle that. And what I mean by that. You know. When Philly. When the Eagles is up. The city is up. But when the Eagles are down. Down. We are.

[01:01:19] We are. The most. Like. We are. The absolute worst. But our butts are in the stadium every year. And I think sometimes. Jeff. And the people. They receive the criticism. Like how Eagles fans are. Like. What are you talking about? And they take it like. Not realizing like. It's like. Listen. Whatever it is. We're going to be here. But like. We are. We're Eagles fans.

[01:01:48] We're this passionate about it. And so I think that there's also like. A disconnect there. Similar to what you're saying Jack. Where it's like. I don't think they. They know. The audience that well. Yeah. And you look back at like. Some of the most. Iconic seasons. Like. You know. Kageon. David vs. Goliath. Was even like. A new school season. Heroes vs. Villains. Micronesia. Like. These are all seasons. Where there's not anything like.

[01:02:18] Overly complicated. Going on. You know. There's not. This bevy of twists. What? We are at war. I don't know. It's just. Everything's become so twist heavy. It's like. You look at the best seasons. That's not like. What makes them great. You know. And I think. Really. A return to some level. Of simplicity. Where you have like. A good theme. And a good cast. And just like.

[01:02:46] A one or two twists. And let it rock. I feel like. We all know that would work. Like. It would be great. And for some reason. They just like. Don't. Want to do that. And I know. I feel like. We're talking about like. What works and what doesn't. I feel like. Yeah. But I also want to just say. Real quick though. Jack. I hate to cut you off. I've been real respectful. This whole time. I also think. The Survivor fans. They need to have a black mother. Okay.

[01:03:16] Sometimes you be driving home. You see McDonald's. And you be like. Ooh. Can I have some McDonald's? And what does your mom say? We got McDonald's at home. We got McDonald's at home. And so I think. You got McDonald's money? Y'all get that some. Jackery? So I also do think. As much as like. Criticism as we have. I also think. I want to put some criticism. On the fans sometimes. Where it's like. Sometimes. We just.

[01:03:46] Need to. Shut up. And watch. And enjoy. And be blessed. That we have this. For 50 seasons. I just also want to say that too. Right. And that's also. Me sometimes like. Just shut up. That's all. And I've sort of been doing that. I mean. We've been talking about like. What works and what hasn't. For the most part. I've been saying. You've been talking. You've been doing what? We've been talking about. What's worked. And what hasn't. And for the most.

[01:04:16] For the most part. I've been saying. A lot of the stuff on 50. Didn't work. And like. Which I feel bad. Like I don't want to be overly critical. But. The. But I feel like. I can relate to the fans. Who. Not that you should be like. All over. Twitter. Like complaining about stuff. But you know. Here I am on. Or Survivor Podcast. Complaining about stuff. So. I just think it comes from a place. Of like loving the show. And like wanting it to. Wanting it to continue. To thrive. And like. Seeing it. You know. 50 was solid. But I thought it could have been a lot better.

[01:04:45] And like. I just want the show to get. Back on track. To what it used to be. And now. You know. Times have changed. And like. Things. Things are changing. And like. I definitely agree with you Bryce. That we should all appreciate. Like still the product. That they're putting out. But. It's pride mom. Survivor. Be. Be who you are. Yes. But I don't know. Yeah. I just. I do think. Ultimately with 50. There was a lot of things. That didn't quite hit the mark. And. I'm hoping they can. You know. In the open era.

[01:05:16] Can do some things. That we can be like. That's. That whatever that is. That's really working. Like keep that going. And then it can kind of refine. Finds. I think the. The old school. The older. I guess. The new school. But not the new era. Magic. What do we think. The direction will be. With Survivor in the 50s. Is. We think we're going to see some. I think it'll be a. A mix of new. And. Returning seasons. That's what I think.

[01:05:46] Did you see the. Teaser for 51. Wendell. I don't. I don't think. I think I saw it. And I didn't see it. I think I was like. Okay. The main thing they highlight. Is that this next. Set of seasons. Is going to be the open era. Where. Anything that's. Like anything that's existed. In Survivor history. Is potentially like. On the table. Um. And I thought the trailer. Looked good. But I was a little confused. About the open era thing. It's one of those things. Where I'm like. Hey.

[01:06:16] If they bring back. Some old twists. And like. Sprinkle those in. Here and there. A la. A ghost island. I was like. We could. I could dig that. But if every episode. Is like. All right. Fire tokens. Hourglass. That. I'm like. I think I'd be. Mr. Beast is back. Like. I think I'd be okay on that. Okay. All right. I'm excited for the. The poly era. The polycule era.

[01:06:46] I'm excited to see what 50 holds. Guys. Thanks for welcoming me back. Sorry that I. Did not fulfill your expectations. But. I plan on making a better run. For 51. You're good. Thank you guys. So much. You got other things cooking on spring break. So. I don't have anything else cooking. I'm just ready to go. Take some time off. And. Hit.

[01:07:16] Hit the. Hit the ground running for 51. Good thing you got your vest on now. Okay. Wait. What are you doing? With that vest? I'm out of here. I don't know about y'all. Oh. This might be a small vest. I can't put it on. I'll get y'all. I'll get you. You wearing stuff? That's all. I got my vest on. I'm ready to go. I don't get the reference. Oh.

[01:07:48] We'll see y'all. For 51. I'll catch y'all on the flip side. That vest didn't fit too well. Is that Jeremy Collins? Okay. That's the zest. That's the energy. Well, listen. Wendy's, you are missed. Jack, you held it down. Glad to have the baby boys back. And we'll see y'all all soon. Peace. No. Oh, I'm choking chicken. No more chicken choking jokes ever again.

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