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[00:02:28] Survivor news edition episode 376.

[00:02:31] What's up Jeff? I serve as your humble and also gracious host Brice Izyah.

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[00:03:10] about this week's episode. I am back recording live in Texas, Dallas,

[00:03:16] Texas to be exact. And I'm glad to be joined this week with the baby boys

[00:03:21] Jack Atkins and Wendyzy. And we are talking all things from episode several.

[00:03:26] Okay, we are talking the challenge that looks familiar.

[00:03:30] Smita solid in Kageon. We're talking about the two tribal councils.

[00:03:34] We're talking about the elimination. It's getting good.

[00:03:38] So much to talk about here. So listen, let's get into this week's Survivor News.

[00:03:51] Survivor News.

[00:04:10] And we're back covering Survivor Season 46, episode 7 with your Survivor News.

[00:04:16] And we're excited. We're joined here by Survivor Season 43, James Jones.

[00:04:22] Welcome back to the podcast. How are you?

[00:04:25] I'm doing well. I'm excited to be here.

[00:04:28] I'm glad y'all recovered from a very well-viewed event.

[00:04:33] In the tentative event yesterday in Dallas.

[00:04:37] I was very sad not to be there but it looked like it was a lot of fun.

[00:04:40] And happy to talk about this episode of Survivor.

[00:04:43] Yes. We're happy to have you. I think it's, you have a lot of relevance to an episode like this episode.

[00:04:48] We have Jack Jones from Survivor, from Survivor of the Circle Season 2.

[00:04:53] Jack, how are you?

[00:04:55] Jack Jones is in the building.

[00:04:58] Wow.

[00:04:59] Jack Jones.

[00:05:02] Yee-haw. And of course we've got Wendyzy, the winner of Ghost Island.

[00:05:07] Wendell, welcome back. How is Dallas?

[00:05:10] It's great to be here in Dallas. Great city.

[00:05:14] Happy to be back on Survivor News. Let's go.

[00:05:16] Yes. Shout out to Dallas. We had a great time in Dallas.

[00:05:19] A great turnout. Everyone that showed up and showed out.

[00:05:22] It was an amazing time. Dallas definitely showed out.

[00:05:26] We definitely have to come back.

[00:05:28] It was a super fun and amazing episode to watch, especially in Dallas.

[00:05:34] So yeah, Jack take it away what you got for this episode.

[00:05:40] Jack looks real sassy when he's like frozen Jack is real.

[00:05:47] He looks like a meme or something.

[00:05:51] Yeah, frozen Jack is about to get some takes.

[00:05:54] He has attitude. He's focused.

[00:05:56] The cowboy hat is doing his thing.

[00:06:01] What is he thinking right now?

[00:06:03] I don't know.

[00:06:04] I feel like he's thinking he's frozen.

[00:06:07] Jack is a buster right now.

[00:06:10] You are bad.

[00:06:13] I was like, there's so much happening in the episode.

[00:06:17] I froze up a little bit, but you're a little fuzzy though.

[00:06:22] This episode, I mean, man.

[00:06:25] Are you?

[00:06:27] Yeah, I mean what an episode.

[00:06:29] I'm sure Dallas was lively.

[00:06:31] I could go as far as say I think this might have been the best episode of the season.

[00:06:36] I'm like, some might even say the best episode of the new era.

[00:06:42] Who might say that?

[00:06:44] It rhymes with who?

[00:06:47] Is it a letter?

[00:06:49] It might be Q U E U E Q.

[00:06:57] But yeah, it was a really fun episode.

[00:06:59] And despite the fact that I personally am not a fan necessarily of these split

[00:07:03] titles after the merge, it's still delivered.

[00:07:07] And things started off hot.

[00:07:09] We get back to camp after Mariah has been voted out and we have Venus immediately going to

[00:07:14] accuse Soda of being the one to vote for her and really kind of staunchly standing by

[00:07:19] this position.

[00:07:20] I believe she was even like nobody else would make sense for anybody else to

[00:07:24] vote for me, even though she was running up and down the beach saying Charlie's

[00:07:27] name all up.

[00:07:29] And I mean, what did we think about Venus coming back to camp with this attitude?

[00:07:37] It's Venus.

[00:07:40] She's playing her own game, you know, and you know, I think that's the thing that

[00:07:44] happens that we're able to see is that everybody out there is playing their

[00:07:48] own game in their own mind because you really can't trust each other.

[00:07:52] So trust what you're seeing out there.

[00:07:54] So like your point of view is the primary point of view.

[00:07:57] So if you feel like, you know, this is what your view on the game, you're going to

[00:08:02] act upon that whether you're right or wrong.

[00:08:05] That's where you sit back here on the couch and the edit pops in and you see

[00:08:09] okay about these situations how right was I how wrong was I like because the

[00:08:13] camera, the camp what they show doesn't lie.

[00:08:16] The context may be different but what they show you saying and what you show

[00:08:20] you thinking at the moment is what you were like saying and thinking at

[00:08:23] the moment and whether that was right or not you have to wait until you sit on

[00:08:27] the couch to see if your intuition is correct.

[00:08:29] And in this case, this episode a lot of the intuitions were off a tad, you know,

[00:08:35] bit that's what I mean but that's the game but they actually gave you an inside

[00:08:39] look at someone that may be on the bottom and they're playing the game

[00:08:43] and how the mindset looks for them and maybe that's why they're on the

[00:08:47] bottom compared to somebody else who's looking at the game differently.

[00:08:49] I think her just opposed to Charlie is was really good this episode but we'll

[00:08:53] get into that.

[00:08:54] But I also think I don't fault Venus because I feel like when you're on the

[00:08:58] tribe with someone and you stop communicating with them and you don't

[00:09:02] really strategize with them when it comes time to actually strategize

[00:09:06] with them, you can't fault Venus for being not trusting of soda but I

[00:09:11] don't agree with like the spectacle to make it in front of the camp

[00:09:15] and really kind of like display your cards of how fractured you guys actually

[00:09:19] are even though Venus kind of tells everyone but it was interesting.

[00:09:24] I think Venus is an issue.

[00:09:26] Oh, go ahead.

[00:09:27] I think this is a.

[00:09:29] I just want to say I think she's a very interesting character and I am

[00:09:33] willing to bet.

[00:09:35] Almost anything that we will get some kind of a flashback or some kind

[00:09:40] of a montage to tell us where she comes from and that will inform us

[00:09:44] about a lot of things and how she's been playing the game.

[00:09:48] I listened to the on fire podcast earlier today as I listen to all the

[00:09:52] pods you know and Jeff just mentioned how like how she comes like

[00:09:57] how she's like a big feminist and I believe she's I believe her

[00:10:01] parents lived in Iran or something and she used to live there

[00:10:05] and like she fights for women's rights over there among other very

[00:10:10] noble causes that she fights for and I have I'm like.

[00:10:15] This very young woman who's out here and I guess in real life doesn't

[00:10:20] take no for an answer and fights and speaks up and speaks her mind

[00:10:24] no matter what now she gets on this show and you have a lot of

[00:10:28] older people kind of saying what to do and granted when I looked

[00:10:32] at Venus's game I'm like I shouldn't do this is you might want to

[00:10:35] your tone.

[00:10:37] Oh you might want to you know but I don't know the path that she's

[00:10:40] walked you know so I'm willing to bet that we're going to see

[00:10:44] something that kind of like changes our perspective a little

[00:10:48] bit.

[00:10:50] So I agree with that but then also you're playing the game to

[00:10:52] get along with people right so what you've been through we

[00:10:54] all have been through things right so like we all bring

[00:10:57] our own personal good stuff bad stuff to the table when

[00:11:00] we're in the game so like yes like you fighting for like

[00:11:04] that's great.

[00:11:06] However when you have someone like Maria saying hey you're

[00:11:09] backing me into a corner right that's not like you can be

[00:11:13] feisty but also comes down to communication I think those are

[00:11:16] two separate things.

[00:11:18] Now I don't think there's a right and wrong way to play

[00:11:20] the game so like the fact that she is there and she

[00:11:23] out is she's outlasting is right the way she's playing

[00:11:26] the game is right for her you had to figure out what's

[00:11:28] right for your game I know I cannot play this epic game.

[00:11:31] I you know and you have the luxury when you are younger

[00:11:34] you take advantage of things that you had if you're older

[00:11:37] like a Gabor you can act aloof you can act this with her

[00:11:40] being younger she can lean into being younger being lean

[00:11:43] into being exuberant lean in the saying I did this oh I

[00:11:46] didn't know I'm bringing it back so we may not be seeing

[00:11:48] those feasible moments where people do like to take

[00:11:51] younger people under their wing to give them advice and

[00:11:53] stuff so there may be more stuff we're not seeing but

[00:11:56] you know relating to people is a crux of the game no

[00:11:59] matter what where you come from.

[00:12:01] I think it's absolute I think it's an absolute necessity

[00:12:04] in the game I think I think there are times you have

[00:12:07] to humble yourself there are times you have to hold

[00:12:09] your tongue this is a good winning strategy strategy

[00:12:12] generally speaking but I also think that depending on

[00:12:15] where you come from you might not have certain

[00:12:18] tools in your tool belt when like and in her

[00:12:22] case I just I just think she came out there to

[00:12:25] be this strong willed I'm not listening to anybody

[00:12:29] this is how I'm playing the game type of person and

[00:12:32] granted that might not get you votes at the end but

[00:12:36] that might get you to the end.

[00:12:38] But what's the difference in a Boston Rob's

[00:12:40] gameplay similar to Venus like he doesn't take

[00:12:43] no for an answer he kind of like go disagree I

[00:12:47] strong disagree I feel like there are a lot of

[00:12:49] people that play that way although I don't always

[00:12:51] agree with her takes but like.

[00:12:53] How many times I played.

[00:12:56] I feel like four or five was like this too though

[00:13:00] but I'm one.

[00:13:03] I'm just saying when he is a factor of luck winner

[00:13:06] over there to and skill luck and skill right for

[00:13:09] sure nothing so what I think we're trying to

[00:13:13] at least what I'm trying to articulate about

[00:13:15] being this game is is like from a like what

[00:13:18] you bring into the table is great like however

[00:13:21] your communication with people is still

[00:13:23] individual and what Boston Rob probably has

[00:13:26] or may have is that individual touch one on

[00:13:29] one that people may say oh this but one on one

[00:13:32] I have a great relationship on building these

[00:13:34] individual relationships.

[00:13:36] Here's the thing right where I agree right like

[00:13:38] I definitely think it's a communication style

[00:13:40] but what I love about Venus's game is that

[00:13:42] like Venus is playing her game and like she

[00:13:44] talks to everyone she's trying to rope

[00:13:46] everyone into what her game is and while

[00:13:49] it doesn't make sense as a viewer I love it

[00:13:52] because I feel like there's similar people on

[00:13:54] this season that are doing the same thing

[00:13:56] and I think it makes it for interesting

[00:13:59] season like I think about your season James

[00:14:01] where a lot of people were scared to go

[00:14:03] against the grain and would just kind of

[00:14:05] like not make big moves and here you

[00:14:08] have someone that although it might not

[00:14:10] be beneficial to your game like Venus

[00:14:12] is going after it so as a viewer

[00:14:14] so I'm going to get you

[00:14:18] I get you but I feel like people were trying to

[00:14:21] make big moves the question is like

[00:14:23] it's kind of what you saw more with this episode

[00:14:25] is why they don't happen like from a

[00:14:28] how things particularly control a vote

[00:14:30] where Maria and Charlie are like okay this

[00:14:32] and like so like you can like making

[00:14:35] the big move in trying to make stuff

[00:14:37] happen is good but the people in control

[00:14:39] the person that made this will happen like

[00:14:41] Maria like the Charlie's are making things

[00:14:43] happen a different way so they're

[00:14:46] showing that person that's going around

[00:14:48] going yes yes like I'm trying to move

[00:14:51] and that's great you know but however

[00:14:53] it was more effective is ex building

[00:14:55] actual relationships and having those

[00:14:57] relationships dictate you know the

[00:14:59] gameplay where you are roping people in

[00:15:01] where people are afraid to get rid of you

[00:15:03] that you aren't the back of

[00:15:05] I think we all agree with you James

[00:15:07] we agree on that we agree it's about

[00:15:09] these interpersonal relationships

[00:15:11] I think I think my stance is just like

[00:15:14] we're looking at this woman who comes

[00:15:16] from this and from this walk of life

[00:15:19] of however old she is and

[00:15:22] and I think that's how I'm judging her

[00:15:24] in her game right so piggyback on what

[00:15:26] you said you said she's playing

[00:15:29] her game she's making her moves

[00:15:32] I think a really good player needs to

[00:15:35] keep in mind that you are playing

[00:15:38] your game and you want to rope these

[00:15:40] people in to your moves but everyone

[00:15:43] should be as self-centered like they're

[00:15:45] playing their games so don't forget that

[00:15:48] just because they don't want to make this

[00:15:50] play with you that's because

[00:15:52] according to their game that's not in

[00:15:56] line with their game at the time well I

[00:15:58] mean and that's why I kind of love

[00:16:00] venus's take because it's like if you

[00:16:02] not with me you against me and let's

[00:16:05] go so again I'm not saying that it's

[00:16:07] the best game wise but there is

[00:16:10] something that I can relate I'm not

[00:16:13] always right all the time and sometimes

[00:16:15] I only see things through my perspective

[00:16:17] and I think everybody's attack at me

[00:16:19] and I gotta go so it's like I I think

[00:16:21] that it makes her good TV

[00:16:23] and let Venus play a second time around

[00:16:27] I feel like you know like I feel

[00:16:30] like she could hone in and see a

[00:16:32] different perspective and I think you

[00:16:34] might have a serious problem on

[00:16:36] planning Venus yeah I think Venus's

[00:16:40] game instincts are actually pretty solid

[00:16:42] I think every time she's on screen

[00:16:44] it's entertaining one way or another

[00:16:46] but I have to agree with all of you guys

[00:16:48] in a sense that not gameplay is not

[00:16:52] great just because of her the way she

[00:16:53] relates to people in her interpersonal

[00:16:55] relationships I mean we saw it with

[00:16:58] Maria kind of laid it out for this

[00:16:59] episode I actually don't hate the

[00:17:02] Boston Robcom in a sense where even

[00:17:04] in all stars he played this really kind

[00:17:06] of aggressive game and that led to him

[00:17:09] losing to Amber despite him pulling the

[00:17:11] strings Greg's I think Boston Rob had a

[00:17:13] little bit better like interpersonal

[00:17:15] relationships right I kind of want to

[00:17:19] ask a question here because Venus has

[00:17:21] been an extremely like I guess witty

[00:17:24] but sort of snarky and sassy player

[00:17:27] we've seen other you know I guess

[00:17:29] snarky players really succeed in the

[00:17:32] new era like new era like jam jam

[00:17:35] jumps to mind and during your season you

[00:17:37] showed sort of a combination of you had

[00:17:40] some strategy with Morgan and Alexis

[00:17:42] and Algette but you're also not afraid

[00:17:44] to be a little bit snarky how do you

[00:17:46] think a player who's like sort of like

[00:17:48] Venus or like jam jam or like you can

[00:17:50] embrace that sassiness that snarkiness

[00:17:53] but also combined with strategy in

[00:17:55] effective way that sort of like jam

[00:17:56] jam did that led him to victory

[00:17:58] versus Venus what I think is really

[00:17:59] struggling right now again I also

[00:18:02] think that's a part of the luck of the

[00:18:03] game and that's a great question Jack I

[00:18:05] think it's about again who you're with

[00:18:07] and who can receive it and who cannot

[00:18:09] receive it and again we see Venus

[00:18:12] again we don't really know the story

[00:18:14] as to why Venus was othered right like

[00:18:16] we just see them talking that she was

[00:18:18] a threat in this and that we know that

[00:18:20] her and Soda were cool at one point

[00:18:22] of time and we don't know what has

[00:18:23] happened but I really think it's about

[00:18:25] the different players I think that

[00:18:26] jam jam was able to assimilate into

[00:18:28] with Carson with with Carolyn with all

[00:18:32] these other people that they got it

[00:18:34] you know with me my sassiness was seen

[00:18:37] as like just an immediate threat

[00:18:40] like they didn't really look at oh it

[00:18:42] wasn't necessarily my game player my

[00:18:44] strategy moves they just looked at

[00:18:45] like my sassiness as like oh he's

[00:18:48] able to relate to people so again I

[00:18:50] just think it's really about the

[00:18:52] different people that are around and

[00:18:54] I think the more diverse we get with

[00:18:56] different people in different walks of

[00:18:58] life that have experienced other

[00:19:00] people and maybe haven't experienced

[00:19:02] other people because again I look at

[00:19:03] someone like Hunter and Tevin and I

[00:19:05] love the fact that like Tevin is

[00:19:07] Hunter's number one and like he's

[00:19:09] able to see Hunter for the four

[00:19:11] person that he is but again I love

[00:19:14] to see these type of characters and

[00:19:16] I love the different style of

[00:19:17] gameplay some style of gameplay get

[00:19:19] to a million dollars others will

[00:19:22] we'll see where it lands

[00:19:24] you should see your money too

[00:19:26] yeah I mean and to see your money

[00:19:28] again some people are you playing

[00:19:31] for a million dollars some people

[00:19:33] are playing for the see a money some

[00:19:36] people are playing for the Kelly

[00:19:38] Whitworth edit like you I don't know

[00:19:40] people's motives could be different

[00:19:42] and I do also think that you know

[00:19:44] like a lot of people are playing

[00:19:46] like do play like Venus out there

[00:19:48] right is just depending on like is

[00:19:50] there time to be shown like is

[00:19:52] there time to be shown what else

[00:19:54] is going on in the episode that

[00:19:56] allows for that to be shown and I

[00:19:58] think that vote on that beach was

[00:20:00] a lot more complicated where we

[00:20:02] got a lot more time with you know

[00:20:04] that first vote then we did the

[00:20:06] second vote where I feel like it

[00:20:08] was kind of they may have they

[00:20:10] try to build some illusion up but

[00:20:12] I think like the the I knew three

[00:20:14] were going to take someone out from

[00:20:16] see could be you know been or

[00:20:18] maybe not be shown but I think

[00:20:20] that's what we were doing was

[00:20:22] trying to get some creative

[00:20:24] stuff to happen and the job is

[00:20:26] to try to keep the crazy stuff

[00:20:28] from happening if you're in

[00:20:30] power and to make crazy stuff

[00:20:32] happen if you're not in power

[00:20:34] and I think you're able to

[00:20:36] and I think what Venus is

[00:20:38] doing which I know she's trying

[00:20:40] to do but people aren't

[00:20:42] necessarily threatened threatened

[00:20:44] by her you know at this present

[00:20:46] time and I think that's what

[00:20:48] she's trying to do is to

[00:20:50] try to get some sort of

[00:20:52] courage and they're taking so

[00:20:54] she's a potential swing vote but

[00:20:56] because you're not threatened

[00:20:58] because you sold outgoing and

[00:21:00] this may be something you want

[00:21:02] to hit may do the people that

[00:21:04] people didn't know where they're

[00:21:06] coming from the Mariah oh I

[00:21:08] don't I don't people can read

[00:21:10] where she was coming from this

[00:21:12] so the so the we're like so many

[00:21:14] things that maybe something people

[00:21:16] want to take into account where if

[00:21:18] you do make yourself known to

[00:21:20] kind of what you're standing for

[00:21:22] what type of game you're trying to

[00:21:24] play as opposed to not if you are

[00:21:26] on the bottom of these alliances

[00:21:28] you can get through maybe get

[00:21:30] through this early mid-merge and

[00:21:32] then make some hay when the

[00:21:34] numbers start going down so

[00:21:36] yeah it's interesting in Venus

[00:21:38] case at this point she's sort of

[00:21:40] staying because her gameplay

[00:21:42] the devil that we don't what does that say

[00:21:44] though what does it say

[00:21:46] Bryce I mean

[00:21:48] I feel like it's a part of

[00:21:50] luck and it's a part of

[00:21:52] it's the people you with

[00:21:54] and what they view as threatening and

[00:21:56] what they do is not threatening but

[00:21:58] but but had

[00:22:00] had Venus

[00:22:02] not been playing her own game

[00:22:04] they wouldn't have used her like that like the devil

[00:22:06] we know worse than I feel like if she

[00:22:08] would have assimilated then it's like

[00:22:10] they still would have not liked Venus and

[00:22:12] then they would have still been pushing to get Venus out so

[00:22:14] I'd be

[00:22:16] different than me too so Jack go ahead

[00:22:18] well I just think Venus's

[00:22:20] issue is the way that she approaches

[00:22:22] people

[00:22:24] it seems to be very

[00:22:26] game body oriented where

[00:22:28] she doesn't really work to build

[00:22:30] these connections but she goes to them and says hey like I

[00:22:32] think we should do this and they're like well

[00:22:34] you never really come and talk to me

[00:22:36] like I don't why would I

[00:22:38] even from her

[00:22:40] selection of tweets last week where

[00:22:42] she it kind of

[00:22:44] reminded me of what Wendell was saying earlier

[00:22:46] where just because something's the best move

[00:22:48] for you doesn't mean it's the best move

[00:22:50] for everybody else and she was talking about like

[00:22:52] oh obviously Charlie is

[00:22:54] the best move like no one wants to make a big

[00:22:56] move like God forbid the women want

[00:22:58] to work together but like if I'm

[00:23:00] a Ben why would

[00:23:02] I want to vote out Charlie why would I want

[00:23:04] the women all stick together like of course

[00:23:06] I'm not going to do what you're saying like that doesn't

[00:23:08] make any sense so

[00:23:10] I think her game instincts for her game are

[00:23:12] solid but I think she

[00:23:14] doesn't really approach people with the finesse

[00:23:16] required to

[00:23:18] make solid bonds to execute

[00:23:20] that strategy and I think that explains why

[00:23:22] she was kind of on the

[00:23:24] outs on Nami and then as soon as the marriage

[00:23:26] hits everyone's kind of wary

[00:23:28] of her and people are so wary

[00:23:30] of her that they know that everybody else in the game

[00:23:32] is too and they're sort of like well we don't need to vote her out

[00:23:34] because nobody's going to work with her

[00:23:36] so yeah

[00:23:38] maybe it's going to keep her around but I definitely

[00:23:40] think

[00:23:42] her assimilating more with the group would

[00:23:44] give her a better shot to actually win

[00:23:46] even though it might up the odds of her getting voted out

[00:23:48] earlier you might also have

[00:23:50] a better chance to win down the line

[00:23:52] I think if Venus

[00:23:54] I think it would be cool

[00:23:56] to see Venus come back

[00:23:58] no I don't know I mean she could win this season

[00:24:00] I think it would be cool to see Venus come back

[00:24:02] and see what

[00:24:04] different things she does to her game

[00:24:06] if she comes back

[00:24:08] so I don't want to pivot but I do

[00:24:10] we are talking about Venus

[00:24:12] but I also like talking

[00:24:14] about great gameplay as well

[00:24:16] you know like

[00:24:18] I mean I feel like a lot of times

[00:24:20] you have to kind of read in between the lines

[00:24:22] and like we had to give

[00:24:24] the winners a survivor jam jam

[00:24:26] you know you were partying with this guy recently a couple of times

[00:24:28] I feel like restraint

[00:24:30] especially in the new era

[00:24:32] is one of those things that

[00:24:34] is very very

[00:24:36] tough to put on camera

[00:24:38] but it's indicative of everybody that

[00:24:40] won this game you know when you take

[00:24:42] it back to

[00:24:44] a Marianne who necessarily

[00:24:46] was in the same position was considered at the bottom

[00:24:48] you know but you know

[00:24:50] was able to you know then stay around

[00:24:52] become less threatening

[00:24:54] considering people knew where she stood

[00:24:56] you know where they didn't

[00:24:58] you know the type of game she's playing and she was able to pull it out

[00:25:00] at the end with relationships

[00:25:02] you know you have

[00:25:04] I feel like that is the way to play

[00:25:06] if you're not coming into the merge

[00:25:08] in a dominant position like a Reba

[00:25:10] and a D like we're making you out of

[00:25:12] a mergetory and you have a

[00:25:14] army with you and y'all want to

[00:25:16] stay and rock out

[00:25:18] bam rock out but if you're not

[00:25:20] part of that dominant alliance coming through

[00:25:22] mergetory then what you want to do

[00:25:24] is wait for that bigger group to crack

[00:25:26] and try to get in there around seven or eight

[00:25:28] and I think Venus is in position to do

[00:25:30] that however what you want

[00:25:32] what you want to do is you want to be

[00:25:34] have a person and not going to tribal

[00:25:36] I don't think she has a person out there and what we're seeing is the people that

[00:25:38] don't have people are getting voted out

[00:25:40] so they didn't have a number one Mariah

[00:25:42] didn't have a number one Tim had a number

[00:25:44] one but that number one Ben

[00:25:46] you know didn't have the juice

[00:25:48] to keep Tim there you know and Tim

[00:25:50] didn't have juice to keep himself there

[00:25:52] so I mean I think we're learning some lessons

[00:25:54] here I think we're seeing some great

[00:25:56] survivor play

[00:25:58] I think we see some questionable I think

[00:26:00] the fact that Nomadi just

[00:26:02] didn't play survivor

[00:26:04] I think they were just itching to get a vote

[00:26:06] and oh yeah and I don't

[00:26:08] know if the grass is greener because

[00:26:10] I think Charlie was the right vote and we can

[00:26:12] get into that later if I was

[00:26:14] them because he's a much more

[00:26:16] connected and dangerous player

[00:26:18] than Soda

[00:26:20] who you see through

[00:26:22] the present moment so and

[00:26:24] they didn't know what was happening at the previous

[00:26:26] vote which I think was also interesting

[00:26:28] and probably happened last year where you didn't

[00:26:30] know who went home like I think

[00:26:32] that's also another concern too

[00:26:34] as well so we're going to get into it

[00:26:36] I just wanted to say I think there was great

[00:26:38] gameplay all around

[00:26:40] I don't want to dwell

[00:26:42] too much on Venus but I think there's some other

[00:26:44] stuff happening there

[00:26:46] that's happening on this season with players that

[00:26:48] are pretty good too as well

[00:26:50] and we dissect so many people just as much

[00:26:52] as we just dissected Venus

[00:26:54] especially you on the pod James

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[00:27:30] my question to you James did you just say

[00:27:32] you think that Charlie

[00:27:34] was more connected

[00:27:36] than uh than um Soda

[00:27:38] is that what you said oh definitely

[00:27:40] I mean so I think this is kind of like

[00:27:42] when we're talking about survivor

[00:27:44] and pushback right and oh

[00:27:46] you're trying to do something

[00:27:48] that's like showing that someone is connected

[00:27:50] right so if you go into emergency

[00:27:52] you try to rally your troops

[00:27:54] I'm trying to get this person out

[00:27:56] you talk to everybody everybody's like okay

[00:27:58] and you go to tribal and you go to vote for that person

[00:28:00] and no one else votes with you

[00:28:02] or you're not getting those okays

[00:28:04] you have to kind of read into saying

[00:28:06] if people aren't like

[00:28:08] gun hoe and they're not voting with me

[00:28:10] this person may actually

[00:28:12] have some like the juice that

[00:28:14] they have

[00:28:16] and I think that's the thing

[00:28:18] where you have to kind of adjust

[00:28:20] where it's kind of like you know we want to get this person out

[00:28:22] one vote it doesn't

[00:28:24] doesn't really work like try to get Charlie out before

[00:28:26] which would have been a sound vote

[00:28:28] people were like nope we're not taking Charlie out

[00:28:30] we're taking the other person out

[00:28:32] so that right there tells you as people

[00:28:34] that like have his back

[00:28:36] you know and

[00:28:38] you have to kind of think about that from a

[00:28:40] when the next vote happens and articulate

[00:28:42] those arguments where

[00:28:44] yo who's protecting Charlie they're protecting Charlie

[00:28:46] is Charlie protecting you

[00:28:48] and move it like that

[00:28:50] and kind of change the narrative

[00:28:52] and paint why Charlie

[00:28:54] is a danger for other people as opposed to

[00:28:56] you know let's get Charlie out

[00:28:58] like you have to have that reason why

[00:29:00] and kind of seem it at home

[00:29:02] sorry I didn't want to interrupt you

[00:29:04] not to disagree with you

[00:29:06] disagree with me come on

[00:29:08] I'm just asking another question

[00:29:10] do you think that Charlie

[00:29:12] being more connected

[00:29:14] or dialed in than Soda

[00:29:16] because I have a lot to

[00:29:18] I think we will have a lot to say about Soda

[00:29:20] do you think that is based on his relationship with Maria

[00:29:22] you think all the equity is through Maria

[00:29:24] and her connections

[00:29:26] I think it's been two days

[00:29:28] and Charlie's been cared as long as it's not him

[00:29:30] and I think in that situation he didn't feel like

[00:29:32] when we said a previous situation

[00:29:34] someone came to Venus and said oh we're voting this person

[00:29:36] and he's like hey no I think Charlie's the best vote

[00:29:38] Charlie on the other hand

[00:29:40] who you know probably has a purpose

[00:29:42] between Soda and Venus

[00:29:44] probably would prefer the person who

[00:29:46] the world's name down to go home

[00:29:48] said you know whatever happens

[00:29:50] I'm like those people

[00:29:52] when people aren't part of your long term strategy

[00:29:54] right and you have numbers around them

[00:29:56] who cares about like you know which one of them

[00:29:58] goes if they're not part of your long term numbers

[00:30:00] in the next couple of votes

[00:30:02] either or they're both going to go

[00:30:04] so I feel like his strategy

[00:30:06] was to sit back he got the information

[00:30:08] which came out fast and furious

[00:30:10] somehow like I don't know how

[00:30:12] that much stuff happened between there and that merge

[00:30:14] but boy they was moving

[00:30:16] and you know

[00:30:18] he was able to sit back and kind of let the chest fall

[00:30:20] where they fall

[00:30:22] and you know you have to get credit for

[00:30:24] that restraint because a lot of people

[00:30:26] that feel the pressure

[00:30:28] start spinning out

[00:30:30] when that pressure is on

[00:30:32] four people from one tribe

[00:30:34] and my partner got immunity

[00:30:36] I was getting flashbacks personally

[00:30:38] but that's just

[00:30:40] five less people to work with

[00:30:42] you know and to be able

[00:30:44] to stay calm in that situation

[00:30:46] and to be able to still function

[00:30:48] make it through doesn't have any blood

[00:30:50] on his hands really or no explanation

[00:30:52] is like because you can always say I was just trying to survive

[00:30:54] and you know

[00:30:56] you know Tevin was the main culprit

[00:30:58] on that and I feel like he is

[00:31:00] he is

[00:31:02] lowering on the radar at somebody you need to get out

[00:31:04] when you have these bigger threats around

[00:31:06] and

[00:31:08] eventually the game switches

[00:31:10] I just agree on

[00:31:12] Tevin lowering his threat though

[00:31:14] I think you were talking about Charlie or Tevin

[00:31:16] but I thought he then said Tevin right?

[00:31:18] Oh no I think

[00:31:20] Tevin's threat level definitely

[00:31:22] is going to go up there

[00:31:24] I mean I think

[00:31:26] we'll talk about that we can move forward

[00:31:28] But is it easier to keep your cool

[00:31:30] when you have people protecting you

[00:31:32] that you can talk to and is it less

[00:31:34] easier when you don't have anybody

[00:31:36] and you have to like

[00:31:38] spit at the wall to everybody

[00:31:42] Who are you? Can you put some

[00:31:43] I'm talking like Charlie like you said

[00:31:45] like in mind I think that he did a great job here

[00:31:47] but it's easier to maintain your cool

[00:31:49] when you can go to your allies

[00:31:51] and freak out to them

[00:31:53] and they can calm you down as opposed to Venus

[00:31:55] who can she go with

[00:31:57] like I feel like you see Venus like

[00:31:59] I don't know if that's the correct analogy

[00:32:01] but like she spit firing

[00:32:03] at like anybody and everybody

[00:32:05] because she doesn't have that calmness

[00:32:07] that could also be

[00:32:09] I mean having that person out there on the island

[00:32:11] you know Wendell you had Dom

[00:32:13] so you probably had the best partner

[00:32:15] all best partners as far as Ryder dies

[00:32:17] when you're able to have

[00:32:19] like is this kind of when you're playing traders or mafia

[00:32:21] you need those type of social deduction games

[00:32:23] the reason why those games were created

[00:32:25] is because the show that two people working together

[00:32:27] is one person is way more powerful

[00:32:29] than the whole entire group

[00:32:31] so not having that one person

[00:32:33] is a disadvantage to anybody playing the game

[00:32:35] and to have that one person isn't an advantage

[00:32:37] especially if you can trust that person

[00:32:39] and that's why that does allow Charlie

[00:32:41] to be a little more calmer

[00:32:43] because you know Maria is at least going to tell him

[00:32:45] when not to be calm

[00:32:47] hopefully you know that's the game

[00:32:49] you can trust that person

[00:32:51] and then commonly get voted out

[00:32:53] was it a calm move for him to tell Venus

[00:32:55] he was the one that wrote her name

[00:32:57] good question Bryce

[00:32:59] was it a good move

[00:33:01] well I don't ask Q

[00:33:03] well I don't ask Q

[00:33:05] I was

[00:33:07] hey people

[00:33:09] yo I love the way Q talks out there

[00:33:11] like as people were like James I was out there talking to people crazy

[00:33:13] I was like

[00:33:15] bruh

[00:33:17] I was on my best communication waiver

[00:33:19] um I mean

[00:33:21] you had to vote for people

[00:33:23] like should he have said anything

[00:33:25] I mean not necessarily

[00:33:27] but

[00:33:29] I mean he did

[00:33:31] will that buy credibility from other people

[00:33:33] possibly

[00:33:35] Venus is not a power player in the game so

[00:33:37] does it really impact anybody

[00:33:39] what do we think his motivation was

[00:33:41] was it to

[00:33:43] chill soda out

[00:33:45] was it to extend an olive branch to soda

[00:33:47] yo hey I did it

[00:33:49] sometimes it's just like

[00:33:51] sequential like

[00:33:53] Venus doesn't have any power

[00:33:55] in the game so saying that he voted for

[00:33:57] is doing what

[00:33:59] but again is the tribe morale

[00:34:01] important

[00:34:03] no

[00:34:05] there's no more tribes

[00:34:07] the tribe is over

[00:34:09] but yeah but nothing

[00:34:11] but I'm saying like the morale of everybody

[00:34:13] at the camp if you had Venus

[00:34:15] setting everything on fire and everyone's getting worked up

[00:34:17] does it benefit Charlie

[00:34:19] to like put the fire out

[00:34:21] and then everything is like

[00:34:23] he let the fire burn

[00:34:25] first then did it

[00:34:27] he didn't put it out

[00:34:29] he didn't put it out

[00:34:31] she said one person did it

[00:34:33] he just said no I voted for you

[00:34:35] and sometimes you do things

[00:34:37] I think what Venus does too

[00:34:39] is like a reaction is a reaction

[00:34:41] you want to gauge how people are

[00:34:43] how people will respond to you

[00:34:45] you know what I'm saying

[00:34:47] hey I mean I think I told people

[00:34:49] that I voted for them I think

[00:34:51] I don't know I think I probably did

[00:34:53] when I voted they were home

[00:34:55] I don't know either way

[00:34:57] what's your response to Q though

[00:34:59] what's your response to Q

[00:35:01] to Charlie

[00:35:03] yo bro I feel like you're able to play

[00:35:05] based on just the people around you

[00:35:07] right and like

[00:35:09] we'll see kind of

[00:35:11] if he long-term rubs people the wrong way

[00:35:13] by kind of

[00:35:15] being more of an explainer

[00:35:17] but I feel like I thought that my people

[00:35:19] in my cast I would have done the wrong way

[00:35:21] because the way I was explaining

[00:35:23] and questioning some things

[00:35:25] which actually wasn't shown on the television

[00:35:27] screen and that contributed

[00:35:29] to kind of some of my relationships

[00:35:31] however I mean

[00:35:33] I think it's just interesting

[00:35:35] there's no right or wrong way to play this game

[00:35:37] and that's why I think this is why you had these

[00:35:39] time of fire cast where

[00:35:41] you can say someone should do this and this

[00:35:43] and that's why you have to play this game

[00:35:45] and play it differently

[00:35:47] here's my question

[00:35:49] Q saying that to Charlie

[00:35:51] Q saying that to Charlie

[00:35:53] because it didn't benefit

[00:35:55] whose game

[00:35:57] Q

[00:35:59] I mean

[00:36:01] I'm just asking

[00:36:03] because

[00:36:05] Q might have been right

[00:36:07] it wasn't great for Charlie either

[00:36:09] but obviously

[00:36:11] I do think maybe

[00:36:13] I see both sides for Charlie

[00:36:15] I don't think it was necessarily a bad move

[00:36:17] I definitely wouldn't have gone to him like Q did

[00:36:19] I do think there's something to be said about

[00:36:21] letting Nami continue to burn

[00:36:23] those bridges just by letting them

[00:36:25] have those ideas about each other

[00:36:27] but I also think Charlie

[00:36:29] he's sort of playing up

[00:36:31] this younger innocent

[00:36:33] fun loving guy

[00:36:35] and so to own up and be like

[00:36:37] my bad I'd love it for you

[00:36:39] like Charlie's a nice kid

[00:36:41] and I think that's the perception of Charlie

[00:36:43] where that's how he's gotten in good with people

[00:36:45] in Seca

[00:36:47] and at the merge so I do think Charlie's in a really

[00:36:49] good spot and definitely disagree

[00:36:51] with Q going to and I love Charlie's

[00:36:53] response when Q came to him Charlie was just like

[00:36:55] oh you're right like I messed up

[00:36:57] you're so right Q

[00:36:59] I like that and

[00:37:01] I'm sorry Bryce

[00:37:03] there might there also like

[00:37:05] if he didn't own up to it

[00:37:07] there's something to throw in a little straight

[00:37:09] vote out there when you know all the votes are one place

[00:37:11] she'll always throw a straight

[00:37:13] way out there like there should never be a

[00:37:15] 13 o'clock like like like there should

[00:37:17] never be a 10 o'clock there should never

[00:37:19] be a 9 o'clock like that should

[00:37:21] those should never ever happen ever in

[00:37:23] history of of the game

[00:37:25] like that like like when those

[00:37:27] votes happen is like people are really

[00:37:29] just trying to be on the right side of the vote

[00:37:31] and if everybody's on the right side of the vote

[00:37:33] then someone's interest

[00:37:35] is like you know you're playing a great game

[00:37:37] where people are playing horrible games

[00:37:39] and that's kind of when you see

[00:37:41] you name his vote so I feel like

[00:37:43] you know you have to protect yourself in

[00:37:45] New Era from a shine a dark

[00:37:47] from a idle I feel like that's the one thing

[00:37:49] that doesn't happen anymore in New Era people

[00:37:51] don't play idols for other people as often

[00:37:53] as they probably should

[00:37:55] when they can influence the vote like oh

[00:37:57] you want to pile on votes on somebody great

[00:37:59] I don't care the person goes home but I

[00:38:01] didn't get to show the vote I can send

[00:38:03] so I feel like that has been used as much in the

[00:38:05] New Era but I think at some point

[00:38:07] it has to get used as a tactic

[00:38:09] to kind of switch things up like

[00:38:11] you know so

[00:38:13] yeah

[00:38:15] moving on

[00:38:17] before the Amity Challenge we also see Ben

[00:38:19] wake up in the in the middle of the night

[00:38:21] after I think a bad dream

[00:38:23] and has a little bit of a panic attack

[00:38:25] Kenzie is there to

[00:38:27] settle his nerves

[00:38:29] I don't think there's too much

[00:38:31] to take away from it other than it was just a really nice

[00:38:33] personal moment

[00:38:35] between those two that gets brought up

[00:38:37] later as well but

[00:38:39] I think

[00:38:41] stick your pin in that you know because

[00:38:43] you know if

[00:38:45] Kenzie kind of

[00:38:47] if she gets another person with Tim leaving

[00:38:49] right you know

[00:38:51] then that opens up somebody to have another everybody

[00:38:53] wants a person right and then

[00:38:55] kind of less people there so you have a

[00:38:57] Charlie Maria I don't think Ben was really a part

[00:38:59] of that so now you have the

[00:39:01] Yannu 4 who now have picked up maybe

[00:39:03] a Hunter maybe a Ben

[00:39:05] and now is the Yannu 5 going into

[00:39:07] 5 this is the numbers game here

[00:39:09] so like you're looking for

[00:39:11] you're looking for 6 now so

[00:39:13] and everybody has different plans

[00:39:15] and thoughts so it's going to

[00:39:17] be interesting moving forward with

[00:39:19] the way they highlighted that because

[00:39:21] those moments have been more than you think

[00:39:23] on Survivor Bryce I don't know if that happened when you were playing but

[00:39:25] people get down people start

[00:39:27] crying and people comfort people and have

[00:39:29] real conversations so they're just

[00:39:31] showing this aspect I think

[00:39:33] you're even there for people you don't even like sometimes on

[00:39:35] the show that go through stuff like when

[00:39:37] you're there so they're just showing a little

[00:39:39] bit of camp life that may

[00:39:41] have some game implimentation

[00:39:43] implement it I want to

[00:39:45] implement it

[00:39:47] implications implications

[00:39:49] nothing about game

[00:39:51] related but Ben having a panic

[00:39:53] if that's been having a panic attack

[00:39:55] like I know that was like so hard

[00:39:57] but I just was like

[00:39:59] Ben is the cutest person ever like Ben

[00:40:01] just woke up and was like

[00:40:03] it's kind of hard out here

[00:40:05] like you know like I don't know but I mean

[00:40:07] I know panic attacks are real but Ben

[00:40:09] even though he was

[00:40:11] having a hard time he just like

[00:40:13] woke up Ben

[00:40:15] and it was good to see Kenzie

[00:40:17] kind of comfort him

[00:40:19] to chill his panic attack in the world basically he pulled up

[00:40:21] like the Undertaker wasn't being sound like

[00:40:23] you know

[00:40:25] I feel bad

[00:40:27] and it's good for him to be vulnerable

[00:40:29] I feel like showing the tribe that you're not super strong

[00:40:31] is also something that

[00:40:33] that is and can be good

[00:40:35] and I feel like you should display weakness

[00:40:37] at all times

[00:40:39] when you're playing

[00:40:41] showing that you're not strong really means

[00:40:43] that you are strong and again I think that Ben

[00:40:45] has a way of revealing himself

[00:40:47] that disarms

[00:40:49] people but

[00:40:51] we know Ben is playing and we know

[00:40:53] Ben means business like it makes me think

[00:40:55] back to like when Jim

[00:40:57] was searching around with

[00:40:59] the machete then the next time

[00:41:01] Ben is talking to her he got the axe

[00:41:03] like right like

[00:41:05] the two most dangerous people didn't go home

[00:41:07] tonight you know like

[00:41:09] Charlie and Ben you know

[00:41:11] both would have been better moves

[00:41:13] for everybody else playing the game

[00:41:15] I love what they're doing

[00:41:17] but it would have been better to get though like

[00:41:19] you know exactly where Tom is going from

[00:41:21] and you know I feel like Soda

[00:41:23] didn't really have too many moves

[00:41:25] outside of that considering Tevin

[00:41:27] was probably her number one and she was beefing with Venus

[00:41:29] you know I feel like

[00:41:31] you know

[00:41:33] I question the Soda edit

[00:41:35] what do you mean

[00:41:37] I think Soda was a lot more

[00:41:39] personable and connect

[00:41:41] a lot more likeable

[00:41:43] than we saw

[00:41:45] and I think that

[00:41:47] she finally saw her go out

[00:41:49] and you see how like the people are

[00:41:51] looking at her I feel like

[00:41:53] I feel like that was their true connections

[00:41:55] with her for some reason

[00:41:57] I just think that

[00:41:59] I just think that we got this

[00:42:01] she's over the top

[00:42:03] and she sings a lot and she does a lot

[00:42:05] for some reason I just think she's a lot

[00:42:07] more likeable I get

[00:42:09] she's a nurturer I get that like

[00:42:11] she might be over the top and a lot

[00:42:13] but I get that she's a nurturer and I think

[00:42:15] that sometimes because we don't see a lot

[00:42:17] at night in different things I think

[00:42:19] that that is the Soda that maybe we're missing

[00:42:21] and that can bond

[00:42:23] people together

[00:42:25] although we're all over the place

[00:42:27] here's my other issue with kind of like

[00:42:29] not Soda's game but like when you are

[00:42:31] in the dominant tribe and you want to say

[00:42:33] strong

[00:42:35] like I feel like

[00:42:37] yeah you should want to stay strong

[00:42:39] but you should also want to be like out and about

[00:42:41] you had

[00:42:43] you want to have

[00:42:45] your allies

[00:42:47] feel confident in you

[00:42:49] and your ability right

[00:42:51] that's also playing the game though

[00:42:53] but you have to under

[00:42:55] if you're going to tribal

[00:42:57] and everybody from your alliance is trying

[00:42:59] to vote somebody out

[00:43:01] why do you care about both in relation with that person

[00:43:03] like you have to

[00:43:05] kind of demonstrate like that is

[00:43:07] how you if this person is on the house

[00:43:09] right you want to make sure

[00:43:11] that I get I am having a conversation with this person

[00:43:13] this is what you want to make

[00:43:15] you don't want to keep on trying to

[00:43:17] build relationships

[00:43:19] with people that are kind of on

[00:43:21] also you have to kind of pick and choose your battles

[00:43:23] especially when you're in the power alliance

[00:43:25] when you're not in the power alliance then you kind of can get

[00:43:27] you have free reign to talk to everybody

[00:43:29] but see I feel like the thing what I don't like about the power alliance

[00:43:31] sorry it's all over the place is that it makes

[00:43:33] you too comfortable because again I love

[00:43:35] Soda I want to sort of like Soda was

[00:43:37] in my mind one of the winner picks and it's

[00:43:39] like you see Soda from episode

[00:43:41] three when Randon was in there

[00:43:43] and him and Venus was

[00:43:45] beefing and Venus is like girl let me

[00:43:47] give you a hug and

[00:43:49] Soda was like make it quick

[00:43:51] you know like she her mind was always

[00:43:53] in the game and so like for me it's like to see

[00:43:55] her now and then kind of sort of get blindsided

[00:43:57] again I just it leads

[00:43:59] to that comfort ability of being in that dominant alliance

[00:44:01] but was she that's the thing

[00:44:03] was she I'm sorry my bad win it's like

[00:44:05] because like people that's the thing in the game

[00:44:07] where people think they're in us like who's

[00:44:09] already calling the shots or are they just

[00:44:11] part of the team and that's the hardest thing

[00:44:13] the part of that's what I'm saying

[00:44:15] like I don't know if she believed that she

[00:44:17] was calling shots but she definitely believed that she was part of the team

[00:44:19] and that's my issue with

[00:44:21] the in the new era

[00:44:23] you have the dominant tribe that doesn't

[00:44:25] lose anybody and then you come in

[00:44:27] kind of sort of strong and I think that you let

[00:44:29] your peripheral view down a little

[00:44:31] bit because you're like we're going to dominate

[00:44:33] this game and you're

[00:44:35] like I don't know that's just how

[00:44:37] you have to be more focused because of my bad window

[00:44:39] right I think the answer is

[00:44:41] to maintain your alliance

[00:44:43] while opening up

[00:44:45] the doors to other alliance

[00:44:47] and going with whichever one is the best

[00:44:49] at that time in our case

[00:44:51] we were naviti strong

[00:44:53] all the way to the end but in

[00:44:55] actuality as soon as we met

[00:44:57] Laurel and Donathan we're like yo

[00:44:59] on the low

[00:45:01] we're taking this thing home and that's

[00:45:03] what we did so like

[00:45:05] then once post merge once naviti

[00:45:07] is back I'm telling Kelly yeah naviti

[00:45:09] strong she's looking at me the same thing

[00:45:11] she's plotting similar

[00:45:13] things I'ma tell Wendell naviti strong

[00:45:15] but we go get him out so

[00:45:17] like I think the answer

[00:45:19] is you have your alliance

[00:45:21] but you don't be so

[00:45:23] locked into saying you know what

[00:45:25] this is

[00:45:27] this is it this is what we got see you

[00:45:29] and that's gotta be flexible

[00:45:31] but right but again

[00:45:33] another benefit of going to tribal

[00:45:35] is that you

[00:45:37] at you get rid of you like but

[00:45:39] when you're the strong guys and it's like

[00:45:41] we are family

[00:45:45] but that's but that

[00:45:47] but that is like how you decide to play the game though too right

[00:45:49] and it's kind of like you have to

[00:45:51] figure out who's who was expendable

[00:45:53] in your squad like when with the merge

[00:45:55] we thought everybody was going without Ryan

[00:45:57] but it's still hard to describe they didn't like

[00:45:59] they're like oh we like I'm like so

[00:46:01] you have to pick the people that you within your group

[00:46:03] you have your group of four who's your three who's your

[00:46:05] two and if you don't have a two then you don't

[00:46:07] got a majority like you get like if you're

[00:46:09] in a big group but you don't have a number one

[00:46:11] or number two where you don't have a subgroup beside

[00:46:13] that group then you ain't that's not

[00:46:15] the right group for you like you you are

[00:46:17] a passenger is it fair to say

[00:46:19] that opposites

[00:46:21] but similar

[00:46:23] that venus and soda has

[00:46:25] similar games or like similar styles

[00:46:27] of play like not they

[00:46:29] moves or anything but

[00:46:31] soda was

[00:46:33] we're saying that venus needs to learn

[00:46:35] to like communicate with people better right

[00:46:37] but here we are soda

[00:46:39] who thinks that she's in this dominant alliance

[00:46:41] where hunter have been

[00:46:43] and

[00:46:45] like they locked in but like

[00:46:47] we know that they looking at soda

[00:46:49] sideways I just think that there are

[00:46:51] their opposite but there are some

[00:46:53] similarities

[00:46:55] that could be there right because

[00:46:57] soda didn't have that

[00:46:59] that majority like philip shepherd said

[00:47:01] boston rob told on the rules

[00:47:03] get your majority get your majority inside

[00:47:05] your majority it's old school

[00:47:07] but it's simple like if you don't have your majority inside your majority then you need to figure

[00:47:11] other things out and if you yeah that you had

[00:47:13] it's hard to make that determination but that's what you have to do should we credit the rest of the people

[00:47:17] and so does alliance for making her feel so comfortable should we credit

[00:47:20] ten and yes yes that's what I mean by good gameplay that's great

[00:47:23] gameplay that's the game within the game but that's real

[00:47:26] here's my question though sorry because now you got me a little hype

[00:47:31] is there a world where I just wonder what would have happened if soda would have entertained venus a little bit more

[00:47:40] I don't think the question is can venus bring other people in to help them make a vote

[00:47:47] can soda bring other people to make a vote like that's what you're trying to do is make a vote

[00:47:51] like who can help make a vote and who can't

[00:47:56] okay does it say something about soda's gameplay that a tevin wants to make a move against a soda

[00:48:06] I'm trying to say no I don't hold on a second

[00:48:13] I think Tevin I think Tevin can win the game I thought soda could win the game

[00:48:18] but there's your answer right there though I feel like

[00:48:25] but no if this player like a tevin is like man I need to get her out

[00:48:36] I think that says something about this woman's game it goes back to what you're saying yes

[00:48:43] I think it was premature I feel like it's one of those things where you're worried about the

[00:48:46] wrong things at the wrong times like I don't soda is trying to make trying to make moves right

[00:48:52] we had to think about if like you had to think about you need to get through and get to the end

[00:48:57] right not think about who you may have made lose to at the end x y z you there's only so many votes

[00:49:04] you think getting out is premature oh without a doubt without without that vote yeah without

[00:49:09] but I think both of those things are true like I think I think Tevin made this move a little too

[00:49:14] soon but I also think the fact that he needed felt like he needed to make this move is a testament

[00:49:19] to soda's game like you were saying um but now there's gonna be a big bright shining social butterfly

[00:49:26] light on our man Tevin okay well I don't know because he actually voted uh with soda and

[00:49:35] look I still think he's a threat like he's been a threat but I don't think that he specifically

[00:49:40] is gonna come out of this tribal it's looking like I mean especially we have Venus already taken the

[00:49:45] credit for this vote yeah but you saw his reaction but you saw this reaction but also uh who sat on

[00:49:53] the beach and who was coming up to who one by one to speak to did y'all see like it was Tevin

[00:49:59] Tevin Tevin made the moves we know no we're gonna all agree that it was that this is Tevin's

[00:50:04] move because right after he made all those moves we then saw Venus making her moves right um I

[00:50:10] think the show is giving the credit to Tevin for sure but the last three seconds of the show

[00:50:15] we see soda giving it to Venus we see Tevin like no and what I think is gonna happen now is like I

[00:50:23] think Tevin is gonna demand that credit within the next couple episodes somehow some way whether

[00:50:28] it's in front of the jury whether it's whatever and I think he's gonna end up on the jury because

[00:50:33] of it I mean here's the hardest thing to do in the game is to figure out how does how does

[00:50:39] someone leaving impact your threat level or how people perceive you at your threat level like where

[00:50:44] you may be able to play the game at a certain level because you're playing with people who are

[00:50:49] taking you know eyes off of you whether you know it or not and it's something hard to really see

[00:50:55] when you're in the game right because you're playing the game and no one's talking about

[00:50:59] you x y z and you're playing with this person but you don't know how many how many shots

[00:51:03] a soda is taking how many shots a hunter is taking because they are these like hunter big strong guy

[00:51:10] so the big personality type person right so when you have these people that are shields in front of

[00:51:15] you from a social physical x y z standpoint and you're taking less heat right you kind of you

[00:51:22] do like bright said you do start to feel kind of oh I feel like I'm I can just make moves and

[00:51:27] you kind of sometimes just count what the other person is bringing from a shield communication

[00:51:33] just taking just shots you know taking shrapnel on at the beach that they're taking and that's

[00:51:41] something to really think about it's hard to do in the game like completely hard to do

[00:51:44] and what's crazy uh James I love what you just said you're absolutely right and I almost

[00:51:49] meant you to say that a tevin and a soda are more similarly situated than a tevin and a um hunter

[00:51:57] where soda is taking those social shots all day all day hunter is a big meat shield him and Q are

[00:52:03] the same I feel like people in this season they aren't even really looking at them as

[00:52:09] you know like they're like all right we could we could get them whenever I think the threats were

[00:52:14] these social butterflies all right now one's gone now it's now the eyes are gonna be on tevin

[00:52:19] um yeah so so I think you're right and I think it's not like all right tevin you still have

[00:52:24] your best to your meat shield nah it's tevin that social meat shield was the real meat and that's

[00:52:30] something that I would love to talk about how the evolution of the game how people like when Jonathan

[00:52:37] was in like oh we're gonna get that big old meat that big old whoa that big old we're gonna get

[00:52:45] that big old meat out the game and it is so interesting how the game evolves to what the

[00:52:52] big old meat becomes because like now the big old right now the big old personality meat and that is

[00:53:04] I think something that needs to be studied because the more diverse that you get uh the

[00:53:11] different types of meat you can get as a shield and it's just interesting that and although

[00:53:19] like we never talked much about Tim but we could talk about his what meat he brought to it and I think

[00:53:26] that he brought a very strategic intact in meat that is not necessarily a difference a big old

[00:53:35] like you know brisket meat that we're used to like a Jonathan is a a different dilded in type of

[00:53:42] meat but needless to say I think that it stands the case that at the merge boot they want you

[00:53:49] want to get rid of the big meat whatever it is it no it depends on the murder like I think it depends

[00:53:55] on you get rid of what is most what is most not like you right in a sense right and it's about

[00:54:01] perception right so Q is not afraid of hunter right so hunter's threat level to Q is like I

[00:54:07] mean he's an athletic person he's he's athletic person he's not like threatening right that doesn't

[00:54:13] threaten me now if you're athletic and you have a social game then that may raise your overall

[00:54:21] survival over a meat shield use a different analogy I hate the term I hate the term

[00:54:28] threat but we continue to use it so um I just feel like from a awareness standpoint people

[00:54:35] are more shot wary of from a cast standpoint what is most opposite from over that cast dynamic is

[00:54:41] so if you have you know your cast is more introverted you know then the extroverts are going

[00:54:45] to be the threats if your cast is more extroverted then the introverts are going to be the threats

[00:54:50] if your cast is like you know less athletic then the athletic people are going to be the

[00:54:54] the threats like introverted me extroverted me like you know at the

[00:54:59] bro.

[00:55:00] Bro the bell.

[00:55:02] I think James is right though in that and Bryce you two to a degree.

[00:55:09] I think it depends on the season so okay in this season for me my kind of a shield will

[00:55:17] be a whatever in my case me and Dom were good for one another we're both in our thirties

[00:55:22] kind of good at a lot of stuff whatever I think in this case you got soda and Tevin

[00:55:27] they're both very social they're good for each other Hunter and Q they're good for each

[00:55:31] other.

[00:55:32] Yeah that's what I got.

[00:55:36] Can we get to the challenge real quick?

[00:55:37] Yeah.

[00:55:38] Can we have to?

[00:55:39] Yeah.

[00:55:40] The challenge.

[00:55:41] Can we get some real can we get some challenges like I'm standing on I get it we don't we

[00:55:48] want to make survivor less athletic and we don't want to be so physical and we don't

[00:55:53] God forbid survivors touch each other and you don't like the challenge?

[00:55:59] I think this is a classic staple challenge I want to I don't know if it didn't premiere

[00:56:04] but it definitely was on Kageon.

[00:56:06] I mean this is cool this is great like just like I'm I just I just feel like the physicality

[00:56:12] in the game.

[00:56:13] Have you competed in this challenge James?

[00:56:17] Have you competed in this challenge?

[00:56:19] No I haven't.

[00:56:20] So how can you attest to the physicality?

[00:56:21] I'm talking about it in general like you're not pulling people off of pulls you know I

[00:56:25] ain't seen anybody do.

[00:56:26] Well I mean I agree with you on that I was just talking with somebody else I missed do

[00:56:29] you remember the ring when you were beating a ring yeah you would have to like now I

[00:56:33] missed challenges like that now mind you I don't know if it was Tyson or somebody

[00:56:37] now when they was back flipping the ladies I ain't agreed to that.

[00:56:40] I thought Eric was killing the line.

[00:56:42] Yeah Eric.

[00:56:43] He hit it with a beanbag like.

[00:56:46] Or I missed the ones where you stand on the podium and it's two people and you like.

[00:56:51] Yeah you're exactly.

[00:56:52] Now I do miss challenges like that.

[00:56:56] It's like it's like I get it but then it's but I understand it in a fine amount it's

[00:57:01] just more like hey we get it we want to think to be equitable for everybody however there's

[00:57:06] a lot of stuff in there for the you know non-athletic non-mentally tough people

[00:57:11] out there and it's kind of like yo like like give the physical people like something you

[00:57:18] know that keeps them in the game possibly in the second half.

[00:57:21] So just like we're giving them meant like we're giving the survivor super fans something

[00:57:28] in line up all the seasons logos because I wouldn't have done well at that.

[00:57:34] A fan Robin at our party yesterday she said she is a new fan of survivor.

[00:57:41] She started in the pandemic and she would have aced it and she loved it.

[00:57:45] Right so so if they're handing something to the super fan then why not hand something to

[00:57:52] the the big show.

[00:57:53] The casual.

[00:57:54] That's the argument.

[00:57:55] Yeah let the cat like I mean keeping so like I mean have things for the casual too

[00:58:00] you know I mean like this thing is about like having regular trivia challenge.

[00:58:04] Do musical chairs like I really don't have to be like anything that crazy however

[00:58:10] you know I'm just you know that's where I'm at.

[00:58:14] So we can go talk about the challenge.

[00:58:15] Well listen I only want to talk about one thing and one thing only about this challenge

[00:58:19] and I need for y'all to wait in because there seems to be a pattern and I need to

[00:58:25] talk about it.

[00:58:26] I don't know what you're about to say because I love this man.

[00:58:32] Surely I do love this man.

[00:58:37] Is there a planet that starts with the letter Q.

[00:58:41] I'm sure there is there just hasn't been named yet because I had to rewatch the episode and

[00:58:49] what I rewatched the episode I don't know.

[00:58:52] I don't know I'm gonna have to talk to Q but I just found it very interesting that

[00:59:00] in the confession.

[00:59:03] What do you say.

[00:59:04] Well given first of all given the the pep talk that he gave Charlie like given

[00:59:10] everything that we know about this man that we have seen with like when the

[00:59:15] purple tri had been losing.

[00:59:19] It just doesn't strike me as someone that would throw a challenge.

[00:59:25] Maybe he did I don't know but I just thought it was real convenient for Q to be

[00:59:30] like.

[00:59:32] Ryan through a challenge.

[00:59:34] I want them to see because you know I'm nasty on that.

[00:59:39] I could I could stand all day.

[00:59:42] I still be standing on there.

[00:59:44] It's just let me hold on to it.

[00:59:51] Y'all want me to do a confession.

[00:59:56] I'll be standing.

[00:59:58] I fast forward through the challenge.

[00:59:59] He said that he said that he jumped off on purpose.

[01:00:03] I mean I feel like in that situation he probably felt safe and secure and knew

[01:00:09] he wasn't going to win.

[01:00:10] I mean it's like these challenges you know someone like Kensie is probably

[01:00:13] going to win like you know unless someone's like a yogi or something

[01:00:16] like that this is you know built for them you know so at that point

[01:00:20] what's the point of standing out there.

[01:00:21] I know that's not the same Q that almost cussed Jess out when she wasn't

[01:00:28] holding up the block.

[01:00:30] I don't see it.

[01:00:31] I don't get that mentality from Q.

[01:00:33] I get Q want to win at any time.

[01:00:37] Well, whatever.

[01:00:38] Well pre-merge they didn't do a good job winning.

[01:00:40] Well I mean I know.

[01:00:42] I also what I do love about that professional if it is not true that

[01:00:49] he didn't jump off I love the way Q can spin a story because I think

[01:00:56] but honestly I think that that is a valuable trait that if Q was at the end

[01:01:04] they may I everything that Q planted because of Q right.

[01:01:14] How high right?

[01:01:16] That is actually a great fact.

[01:01:17] That's what I'm saying.

[01:01:18] No, no not with that what you said but what you said about final tribal

[01:01:21] final tribal is the actual skill of storytelling and if you can tell the best story that makes the most sense

[01:01:29] you typically can win the game.

[01:01:31] Listen Q would be at final tribal like the most other physical guy that was out there was Ryan

[01:01:37] who you think put that bamboo like that where he was sleeping.

[01:01:41] Who you think put that bamboo but you weren't on the same tribe as him.

[01:01:48] I gave him that bamboo.

[01:01:51] Man.

[01:01:52] Out to Ryan.

[01:01:53] Right, shot out to Ryan.

[01:01:55] RANDON RANDON.

[01:01:57] That's a bad idea here for Q not to win this challenge but given his track record I think that and usually you will want that

[01:02:07] confession to come maybe before the challenge not after the challenge but I mean given that he dropped 80 points at the celebrity basketball game

[01:02:15] anything's possible for Q.

[01:02:23] If a celebrity basketball game did happen I will say though Q was crossing when DC over

[01:02:36] like that though.

[01:02:37] I'll just say it again.

[01:02:40] Okay.

[01:02:41] So Jack who won these challenges like any of us have been asked for through a challenge any of us have been a VINPOLY play like an alphabet game or something.

[01:02:48] A lot of fun conversation because the water was really flat a lot of the there's just a lot of standing so I mean we had

[01:02:56] challenging stuff.

[01:02:58] Yeah, I can't speak to it but Q it was informing Jeff about some vernacular.

[01:03:04] I'm actually curious you guys when Tim was like what's up Jeff how did you interpret that because I didn't really

[01:03:11] think about it like what time is it.

[01:03:14] Wait right before you continue James you should have watched the challenge for this reason because there was a lot of blackness in

[01:03:19] the very much so and I also think that Jeff got a little bit wrong and I think that Q Q explained it right like it does

[01:03:27] mean like what's up what time is it but it doesn't actually Jeff was like 733 Eastern time I'm learning a lot guys but also

[01:03:37] what time is it coming like what's up window what's up.

[01:03:42] So to explain it to James.

[01:03:46] It doesn't lead to Jack.

[01:03:48] No, because James fast forwarded through it so he didn't watch it.

[01:03:52] But to explain it to James.

[01:03:54] There was a time Q had already thrown the challenge he's on the sitout bench and Tim is like, what's up Jeff.

[01:04:04] And Jeff's like starting to say something and then Q on the sitout bench was like, no that's what black people say when they

[01:04:10] need to know what time it is.

[01:04:14] That mean here.

[01:04:16] Yes, so then fast forward in the episode and then later later in the house later in the challenge to him again he's like what's

[01:04:23] up Jeff.

[01:04:24] Jeff's like you're at 24 minutes remaining.

[01:04:28] So there was that but then there was also a part when they were all talking Q was on the bench and Q was like I think

[01:04:38] Jeff might have said Q what are your thoughts on that.

[01:04:41] He said I can't talk my daddy taught me if I'm not in the fight shut my mouth.

[01:04:47] Okay, and again this interaction leads me to believe you did not throw the challenge but can say you went though because

[01:04:55] go on so then they're on still water when this challenge was done before Mary Ann and then fell off in three minutes right in

[01:05:02] this challenge they're going for a long time because it's like standing on the ground anyway.

[01:05:07] So then my man Tim is like you know what shout out to my wife shout out to my kids shout out to Tevin's mom

[01:05:15] shout out to Maria's kids he's just giving all the shout outs Q on the bench.

[01:05:21] Shout out to Pookie and Day Day from such and such that's what black people say when they on the radio.

[01:05:26] Tim said yo daddy said to shut your mouth if you're not in the fight and what and what Q do he was like you right.

[01:05:35] So this is this is why I told him we're home.

[01:05:39] I told me everything.

[01:05:44] I agree.

[01:05:47] Tim strikes me as like a no like it's like when you I understand Tim's game a lot.

[01:05:55] I would like to show you as a yo man like what we doing here like we hear the actually what we doing like that's crazy.

[01:06:05] Put that together James because I wasn't thinking that but now that you say it clicks.

[01:06:09] It's like Tim son's Q real quick but it was funny.

[01:06:14] I don't know if you're not about getting son.

[01:06:17] I don't know yet something I'm not thinking something but people like when you can respond quickly and you and when you when you when you're affirming your response and people do not like that in the game because people say you're being confident your cocky x y c.

[01:06:32] However, if you're doing it from the bottom is like a whole different thing where it's like oh you're assertive you're playing but we do that when you have a quote like we attempt doing it or you know it's like oh you're you're you're being affirmative like you're

[01:06:43] doing it like so I think it's a perception thing out there but people don't like that when you're playing the game when it's like yo I'm not going I'm not going to get chumped.

[01:06:52] I'm gonna speak my mind.

[01:06:54] It's gonna happen.

[01:06:55] Tim reminded me like he was from Philly.

[01:06:58] It was the way that he delivered was like not a lot, not enough, but it landed and it landed in a way that was assertive, dominant funny silly but like it landed for me also that interaction with Q said a lot but also I'm like Tim.

[01:07:18] Why the f are you up there naming where Tevin's grandmother is from why are you saying the village, not the village but where Charlie from why are you saying Dr Maria is all like what that that interaction.

[01:07:36] Although we didn't get to see a lot of Tim this season.

[01:07:39] That interaction of Tim up there show me everything that I needed to know about Tim is smart.

[01:07:45] He's witty.

[01:07:46] You want to check me.

[01:07:47] I'm gonna tell you what your father said to sit your behind there.

[01:07:50] He was chilling and he knows things about people like and that for me is like that was always my missing piece about him like is he really playing the game.

[01:07:59] I really feel like Tim was a deadly assassin.

[01:08:04] We showed his more house degree.

[01:08:06] Listen, don't care about that too much.

[01:08:10] Listen, those more house men are a different grade of me.

[01:08:15] Okay, that is a different grade of but but I think let's talk about Tim's game in this sense right when that journey happened and I was like why is Tim volunteering.

[01:08:25] I think Tim felt like he was the most connected to both sides, and he didn't want somebody like that he didn't trust getting it.

[01:08:32] So that's why he was able to go on the journey and did not get the heat for going on the journey.

[01:08:37] Like I feel like there's like little subtle things that happened in the game you had to pay attention to, and that was one of my life to volunteer to go on this journey.

[01:08:45] And he volunteered came back no hassle. No XYZ, why do you volunteer. He was cool and everybody enough to go volunteer.

[01:08:52] Make sure someone else didn't get advantage and report back like being able to do stuff like that is a sign of someone that's locked in and connected within the game but it doesn't get highlighted.

[01:09:02] Like no one talks about it, but that that shows you that he was somebody. The reason why he was more scary than Ben to some people is because of that fact we're been as I

[01:09:11] would tell me it's kind of more like, I know you're what y'all trying to do. I mean you're going to do it do it but it is what it is.

[01:09:19] You don't need me look at what he did with Dr. Maria and bring in the plus one alliance at first I'm looking at it like you're crazy go talk to her but see a 10 personality like it's going to work out.

[01:09:33] The plus one's going to happen. Like I really didn't shout out to the Tim merch, but Tim was a deadly assassin. He also said in his exit press today, Jack fix your face.

[01:09:45] Yeah wait, wait, go ahead.

[01:09:47] Go ahead.

[01:09:48] First of all, I'm going to first of all, Jack, what we want to do is because now this is the moment I've been waiting for because what we not going to

[01:09:59] Don't give him the neck out punch. Don't walk him out. Okay, because what's your name Jack. Okay, Jack Linsky.

[01:10:06] And I will you not want to see a deadly assassin. You got to look at Jolinsky.

[01:10:12] Okay, the only thing I wanted to say about Tim to add to the James and Bryce height in his exit press. He said his reason for saying Maria's name during the plus one alliance talk because his number one was Ben.

[01:10:27] It was to not reveal his number one.

[01:10:30] It was to hide his cards. Yeah, so I just wanted to add that to the mix.

[01:10:34] Oh yeah definitely you.

[01:10:36] I mean, but that was that was something that you have to refer like I feel like you had to give certain players credit like for me I gave Tim enough credit that Tim has said Ben is his number one.

[01:10:45] Tim is not just going on this journey he's in a good position. Q is the one that scrambling on the other tribe you know I'm saying Hunter not speaking about no game and Q bought this up.

[01:10:55] So Tim is like, are you want to scramble that's great you need a name that's cool whatever.

[01:11:00] So does that change anything about Ben's game for you. So if that is what Tim is saying that it would lead us to believe that Ben knows about the plus one alliance that we have not seen on screen, but clearly been probably knows that Tim is his number one.

[01:11:16] Right.

[01:11:18] Here you go like that.

[01:11:20] I'm talking right episode that leads me to believe that Ben is in a different position potentially.

[01:11:29] I don't believe I don't got it. I don't got it.

[01:11:32] I don't think Ben knows about the plus one alliance.

[01:11:35] Yeah, I think Tim is here.

[01:11:38] I think that's what it was a bad player. I just like deadly assassin to me was like who did he get.

[01:11:45] He got jealous of the player.

[01:11:47] I mean, he's like you sleep and so you get called.

[01:11:50] I mean, but I don't know.

[01:11:52] Even at the challenges like naming everyone's like family and where they're from.

[01:11:56] If Tim doesn't know my family, I guess it doesn't.

[01:12:00] One more thing about about Tim and the green tribe and Ben, they had the weakest quote unquote try from a look standpoint, but they communicated well and Tim was always the person leading in those those challenges right even if you

[01:12:12] made messed up a little bit. Some of them there look the best at some of those challenges, but he was leading in communication is key and challenges.

[01:12:19] And I think that's something that is also understated from a tribe that definitely was right under dogs going into into this season like that first challenge and no business business beating you know, Q and Jolinsky to juggernaut.

[01:12:32] So they had no business like winning that challenge.

[01:12:35] We look at the people they had on their tribe.

[01:12:37] Let me just back on you there just I want to add one thing inside survivor.

[01:12:43] I know I heard this through a grapevine when he was applying.

[01:12:46] He listed himself at 62.

[01:12:48] Who Tim and that's why they got you know, Q over here.

[01:12:54] They got Hunter over there.

[01:12:56] They get medical they gotta get medical bro.

[01:13:02] I went at so at whatever point he listed himself at 62.

[01:13:07] I don't know who I heard it from what but I promise you that's what I heard.

[01:13:11] This is not the definition of when you lie on your resume.

[01:13:14] I know sign language.

[01:13:16] But yeah, I think I think Ben has an idea about you know what about something vaguely whether he knows everything he has an idea about something vaguely going on.

[01:13:28] And it's like you don't believe that Tim is not more tapped in Ben.

[01:13:31] Why is it that Tim didn't go home against Jim and we knew that Jim essentially they like I'm just saying you had to read in between the edit like read in between the edit.

[01:13:43] You know, a little bit.

[01:13:44] I feel you.

[01:13:45] But it's up to do the way they did the show.

[01:13:48] I don't think Tim was a bad player but you literally survived one tribal council.

[01:13:52] I don't think we call it that you know what Jack, I'm going to let you live today because I feel like.

[01:13:57] Don't do it.

[01:14:00] He's around to I feel like he could he couldn't gave up been this this this episode, but I feel like you know something like the way some people wire is differently playing like everybody's different moral boundaries in the game right and everybody is different.

[01:14:14] He could have gave up been you know but he didn't want to give up been and I feel like you know that's kind of what it was you know I'm saying and.

[01:14:24] Yeah, I give up.

[01:14:25] Look, I thought that honestly I thought that was the better choice for the young group is well that was no shade to Tim I just.

[01:14:34] Oh no he was the better choice for the new group that like that was you're right.

[01:14:39] From the challenge as well. I also love the moment where they're playing like the alphabet game in Cuba super flustered you miss this James cute again.

[01:14:49] This proves my point though Jack like of what you ain't you ain't just jump off how many times today.

[01:14:59] Because how many times do they have to restart the alphabet game.

[01:15:06] Like three four.

[01:15:07] Okay, and then Charlie was just messing with him like you I'll start.

[01:15:12] Baltimore.

[01:15:14] Well let's yeah let's play the alphabet game just a quick round.

[01:15:19] What are the rules.

[01:15:21] You have to say with food.

[01:15:23] You have to say the letter I'll go a apple then Jack will go a apple be berries.

[01:15:31] Okay so let's just do a quick round real quick.

[01:15:33] I can start it off.

[01:15:35] We're doing food.

[01:15:37] Food.

[01:15:38] I want to start.

[01:15:40] Which way are we going.

[01:15:42] Oh, you tell me.

[01:15:45] Clockwise or counterclockwise.

[01:15:47] Well, counterclockwise.

[01:15:49] I'm starting.

[01:15:50] Go ahead.

[01:15:51] A.

[01:15:52] Apples.

[01:15:53] Banana.

[01:15:54] You're out.

[01:15:55] Oh my gosh.

[01:16:00] This is exactly what happened to the challenge.

[01:16:04] No, you go ABC.

[01:16:05] Oh, we talking about.

[01:16:07] I don't have an alphabet words James, but you gotta you're supposed to repeat the ones that came before you.

[01:16:12] That's like loser rules.

[01:16:14] You watch the challenge.

[01:16:16] You don't repeat the other day.

[01:16:19] Apple.

[01:16:20] Banana.

[01:16:21] Banana.

[01:16:22] We're going.

[01:16:23] You don't know.

[01:16:24] It's because in the challenge, Q.

[01:16:28] The rule of your.

[01:16:30] Clearly is wrong.

[01:16:31] It's not.

[01:16:32] I'm not saying what's right or wrong.

[01:16:34] Tell you why this is funny is because in the challenge, Q said you have to repeat and then everyone forgot to repeat and he would freak out.

[01:16:41] And.

[01:16:42] I know it's wrong.

[01:16:44] Oh, I'm sorry.

[01:16:45] That is hilarious.

[01:16:47] Q's rules were very.

[01:16:48] I feel like Q's rules are very wrong for the game. However, I feel like you know this what it is.

[01:16:53] I know that way I will play the game and it's not like.

[01:16:56] The podcast.

[01:16:57] Jack, we're going counterclockwise started off with a or would see where I started and continue Apple sauce.

[01:17:07] A Apple sauce be berries.

[01:17:12] C.

[01:17:14] Cherries.

[01:17:16] I'm out and out.

[01:17:18] I'm not in.

[01:17:20] Banana.

[01:17:22] Cherry.

[01:17:24] I'm, you know, I'm inside any hardware playing a game.

[01:17:28] If you're not in the game, shut up.

[01:17:30] Okay, go ahead.

[01:17:42] A Apple sauce be berries.

[01:17:45] C.

[01:17:47] Cherries.

[01:17:48] D.

[01:17:49] They'll pickle.

[01:17:50] I thought you bought the gold somewhere else with that one.

[01:17:52] You.

[01:17:53] Apple sauce be berries.

[01:17:58] C.

[01:18:00] Cherries D.

[01:18:02] Dill pickles.

[01:18:04] E eggplant.

[01:18:06] Yo,

[01:18:08] you also have time.

[01:18:09] You taking time to the rabbit fire you out like this.

[01:18:12] Be berries.

[01:18:13] C.

[01:18:14] Cherries.

[01:18:15] D.

[01:18:16] Dill pickle.

[01:18:17] E.

[01:18:18] Y'all.

[01:18:19] Eggs.

[01:18:20] Plants.

[01:18:21] F.

[01:18:22] Fiji Apple.

[01:18:24] Good thing he's muted.

[01:18:27] Good thing he is muted.

[01:18:29] That kind of Apple.

[01:18:31] Yeah, they're crisp.

[01:18:32] They're the crisp ones.

[01:18:33] Go on, Jack.

[01:18:34] All right.

[01:18:35] A apple sauce be berries.

[01:18:37] C.

[01:18:38] Cherries D.

[01:18:39] Dill pickle.

[01:18:40] E eggplant.

[01:18:41] Fiji Apple.

[01:18:43] E eggplant.

[01:18:44] E eggplant.

[01:18:45] E eggplant.

[01:18:46] Fiji Apple.

[01:18:48] G.

[01:18:49] Guava.

[01:18:51] A.

[01:18:52] Apple sauce.

[01:18:53] Be berries.

[01:18:54] C.

[01:18:55] Cherries D.

[01:18:56] Dill pickles.

[01:18:57] E eggplant.

[01:18:58] Fiji.

[01:18:59] Apples.

[01:19:00] G.

[01:19:01] Guava.

[01:19:02] I.

[01:19:03] Iceberg lettuce.

[01:19:04] No, you're missing.

[01:19:05] No, wait.

[01:19:06] No, wait.

[01:19:07] No, wait.

[01:19:08] No, wait.

[01:19:09] No, wait.

[01:19:10] No, wait.

[01:19:11] No, wait.

[01:19:12] No, wait.

[01:19:13] No, wait.

[01:19:15] G.

[01:19:16] H.

[01:19:17] H.

[01:19:18] Hugo Boss Cologne.

[01:19:20] Mute yourself.

[01:19:22] Mute it up.

[01:19:23] Mute it up.

[01:19:25] Mute it up.

[01:19:26] Mute it up.

[01:19:27] Mute it up.

[01:19:28] What are you doing?

[01:19:29] Mute it up.

[01:19:30] Mute it up.

[01:19:31] Mute it up.

[01:19:32] Mute it up.

[01:19:33] Mute it up.

[01:19:34] Mute it up.

[01:19:35] Mute it up.

[01:19:36] Mute it up.

[01:19:37] I'm here.

[01:19:38] I can still taste it on my never mind.

[01:19:39] Well,

[01:19:43] So, so, come on in.

[01:19:48] Come on in.

[01:19:49] So you're not going to go, you're not going to see wins?

[01:19:51] Oh, okay.

[01:19:52] Oh, we're still in it.

[01:19:55] A apples.

[01:19:56] Yeah.

[01:19:57] B berries.

[01:19:58] C cherries.

[01:19:59] D, dill pickles.

[01:20:01] E, eggplant.

[01:20:03] F, Fiji apples.

[01:20:07] G, guava.

[01:20:11] H.

[01:20:18] Hippopotamus meat.

[01:20:20] That's crazy.

[01:20:22] It's indigenous to Tanzania.

[01:20:26] That sounds big.

[01:20:28] You give me a region.

[01:20:30] I'm going to be on a apple sauce be berries.

[01:20:35] C cherries.

[01:20:37] D, dill pickle.

[01:20:39] E eggplant F Fiji apple.

[01:20:41] G guava H hippopotamus meat.

[01:20:43] I ice cream.

[01:20:47] All that hippo meat. Okay.

[01:20:57] So it's a good idea for you to say that.

[01:21:01] To, for each letter can send you what?

[01:21:05] Okay freeze letter.

[01:21:07] Oh, like when you name a new one.

[01:21:09] A apple sauce be berries.

[01:21:11] C cherries.

[01:21:13] D.

[01:21:14] Dill pickles.

[01:21:16] E eggplant F.

[01:21:19] Fiji apples.

[01:21:21] G guava H hippopotamus meat.

[01:21:24] J

[01:21:26] jungle juice

[01:21:29] Okay, Jack a

[01:21:32] Apple sauce B

[01:21:34] Berry's C cherries D. Dill pickle E eggplant F Fiji Apple

[01:21:40] G guava H hippopotamus me I ice cream J jungle juice

[01:21:45] K a

[01:21:47] Craft mac and cheese. Oh

[01:21:50] Okay, new rule when you say them you have to close your eyes because it looked like Jack was really going

[01:21:58] K

[01:22:02] Bruh

[01:22:03] Applebee

[01:22:06] Artichoke dip now. That's what we doing like that's how we feel

[01:22:11] Okay James James we're in a very important round Wendell close your eyes

[01:22:16] Go James

[01:22:22] Brice bear messing me up hey, hey, hey, hey, I can't see your hand count with my eyes closed

[01:22:29] J

[01:22:30] Hey applesauce be berries C cherries D. Dill pickles

[01:22:36] F Fiji apples

[01:22:39] G guava H

[01:22:41] H

[01:22:43] hippopotamus me I ice cream J jungle juice K

[01:22:49] craft mac and cheese L

[01:22:52] lollipops

[01:22:54] Hey apples be berries C cherries D. Dill pickle E eggplant F Fiji Apple G

[01:23:03] guava H hippopotamus me I ice cream

[01:23:06] J

[01:23:10] Jungle juice K craft mac and cheese L lollipops

[01:23:18] M be

[01:23:22] Do you say me or meat meat?

[01:23:26] This is a place

[01:23:28] This is a questionable pod today a applesauce be berries C cherries D. Dill pickles

[01:23:37] E

[01:23:38] eggplant F Fiji apples G guava

[01:23:43] H hippopotamus me I

[01:23:47] Ice cream J jungle juice

[01:23:50] K craft mac and cheese

[01:23:53] L lollipops

[01:23:55] M

[01:23:56] meat and

[01:23:59] Nantucket Nectars

[01:24:07] Hey applesauce be berries C cherries D. Dill pickles E eggplant F Fiji Apple G guava H

[01:24:21] Four two three four

[01:24:27] Hipopotamus me baby

[01:24:29] I

[01:24:33] Needed to add any I threw the challenge

[01:24:41] So okay back to the challenge surround the minute we have Kenzie winning for

[01:24:49] the

[01:24:50] purple group beast or the orange group and then we have

[01:24:55] Maria winning for the purple group which secured her group

[01:25:00] some food reward and a guaranteed spot on the jury

[01:25:05] Can we talk about dr. Maria real quick, right? Like I feel like

[01:25:10] solid solid

[01:25:12] Solid solid player for her to win this immunity

[01:25:17] Even her conversation. I feel like when she was talking to Venus

[01:25:22] Like she was like

[01:25:24] I'm leaving it open

[01:25:26] and I don't like to feel pressure like I don't know like I just feel like

[01:25:32] Winner at it, I definitely can see the climax of a dr. Maria

[01:25:37] I feel like we've seen her in the tribe challenges struggle a little bit like you know being hard on herself

[01:25:43] but I definitely feel like she showed up here and

[01:25:47] I'm just team dr. Maria. She showed up

[01:25:52] She's strong. She was locked in she did it and then yeah, we could talk about her talking to um

[01:25:59] Her conversations afterwards. I also feel like and again, we were talking about Tevin

[01:26:03] And again, this is kind of like back and forth with soda gone

[01:26:06] And then you see how long Tevin lasted you see Tevin pulled the the hat trick on the thing

[01:26:14] So it's not only does like Tevin have this big personality

[01:26:18] Not only does Tevin waiver this power rail not only can Tevin sing

[01:26:23] Not only can Tevin almost fall off and say like it's like not you a meat shield not you the personality meat sheet like I like

[01:26:32] I'm getting worried for my twin out there in a very good way like I

[01:26:37] Thought Tevin was a great player already

[01:26:40] But to actually see how great he actually is

[01:26:43] Shout out to Caitlyn more to cast the director that casted me and casted Tevin because baby who might be too great

[01:26:51] That's a problem. I'm willing to have

[01:26:55] Kayla was too great

[01:26:58] Caleb

[01:27:00] From big

[01:27:02] Last season Caleb

[01:27:05] So friendly so anyway, you mean president Obama

[01:27:09] These started catching some heat last season after around this time when she won this double tribe challenge and everybody going eat

[01:27:17] Everybody going eat. We're going

[01:27:20] So, okay, so I guess we've wrapped up this challenge

[01:27:24] And we can kind of start getting into the the tribals here. We've already touched on them a little bit

[01:27:29] I guess let's start with just the first camp which in the first tribal which is the

[01:27:36] The orange group which is Tiffany Kenzie Q hunter Tim and Ben

[01:27:42] and

[01:27:45] There's obviously this this I guess once again like last episode Yonny three ends up together in the same group

[01:27:51] Which gives them a lot of power and I guess the debate here is between do they target hunter?

[01:27:57] And take out a number from the group of Nami or did they take out one of Tim or Ben and split up this

[01:28:03] stronger maybe more closely knit

[01:28:06] Sega group

[01:28:08] And they go back and forth. I mean Q kind of jumps all over the place Tim and Hunter are also

[01:28:13] Allegedly part of this journey six alliance, but Tim isn't really willing to cut Ben because his sort of his number one

[01:28:22] This seems like a group that could have all six of them work together

[01:28:26] In a in a bigger merge setting so it is tough for them where you know

[01:28:30] It's all people that they like and that they get along with so now they have to choose someone but from Yonny's perspective guys

[01:28:37] Do we think that going Tim was the right move and like what sort of stuck out stuck stuck out in the dynamics of this group? I

[01:28:47] Don't know if it's the right move

[01:28:49] Because I don't want to see Tim gone, but I definitely noticed the Q urgency

[01:28:56] To want to get Tim out again identifying

[01:29:00] Tim and after seeing that back and forth

[01:29:02] But again, it just makes me think to what James said like you do want to be careful

[01:29:07] About when you want to get these threats out because if when Tim is gone now

[01:29:12] I feel like it only kind of super heightens

[01:29:16] Q's threat level because Q and Tim were both six to I

[01:29:20] Don't think I don't think that illuminates a Q. I think what this does I

[01:29:26] Think you had the

[01:29:29] Green Sega there were four of them remaining right or three or four now. I think now there's three

[01:29:35] I think we've watched this group that was so tight and

[01:29:39] Tight-lipped and not willing to say or share anything when you cross that merge and now is the time to start

[01:29:46] Being a little more lenient. Can I ask you all a question?

[01:29:49] Sure, I don't need to finish per cake. Oh no my baby

[01:29:53] And my apologies if this like how I want to look at these tribals is that they these groups went to tribal again

[01:30:01] Like these groups like small tribes who would be in trouble next tribal think about that from a voting perspective

[01:30:07] It didn't think about what was right vote or

[01:30:11] Could have been the right vote or better they go again. I think that Ben I think they would vote Ben

[01:30:16] Well, who do you think I don't really factor that in because you know, this is also a one-off

[01:30:20] So you just have to worry about getting through this rather than the long-term tribe dynamics

[01:30:25] No, no not from but from positioning wise

[01:30:27] I think what we saw on the show is that you had a Kenzie in position where she has tiff now

[01:30:33] Kenzie has brought in Ben, right? So now Ben has that now they built some credibility will hunter, right?

[01:30:43] Kenzie is building a bond with Ben Ben loses to

[01:30:47] Right. So now Ben Kenzie is getting kind of like a pseudo

[01:30:52] Plus one e-type right now, you know to add to her, you know, yandu numbers, right?

[01:30:57] You know the these are the things that

[01:31:00] No, no because they're coming back to each other and Ben's going right back to

[01:31:06] Charlie and Maria

[01:31:10] But but it is in the sense if you think about the plus one alliance because now it seems like you target the plus one alliance

[01:31:17] So now you have to think there's hunter. There's Tevin. There's dr. Maria. There's of course Ben and

[01:31:25] The plus one alliance is not really a thing anymore

[01:31:28] But it's not really a thing but when they come back and I would imagine that

[01:31:33] What happened?

[01:31:35] You need an excuse what's the excuse to go after Q, right? Think like from

[01:31:40] In what you from a numbers standpoint is kind of like okay

[01:31:45] We get Q has to go sometime, right?

[01:31:48] So I guess like Q goes seven

[01:31:53] Go to the end with Q

[01:31:55] You don't have to go sometime

[01:31:58] I

[01:32:00] Sorry, I mean I feel what you're saying

[01:32:02] I just don't think them like that's like the way survivors set up that you know

[01:32:06] Like Q it reminds me a little bit of Austin and since that you have a tight alliance

[01:32:11] And you're a bigger kind of stronger more but that personality where you're the person that everybody sees as dictating

[01:32:17] Or has the illusion of dictating and you propose the big this big six and then you take out my number one

[01:32:25] Right. Does Kinsey feel hurt by Q all the time that you see Kinsey and Tim talking

[01:32:29] I'm looking at the seas being led where if you're gonna have to

[01:32:33] Choose to get rid of somebody because someone has to go right then

[01:32:38] I think when you're taking out, you know

[01:32:42] When you're giving Ben opportunity to go back with Maria and that's three right there

[01:32:47] You only need six is ten people right? You got three there, right now

[01:32:51] You're definitely not if you got no fans over in nomadie. I mean you may have some fans there

[01:32:56] But you you kind of don't you know so at the end of the day

[01:32:59] I mean, I think Q has to make sure he's still building his relationship to keep himself

[01:33:04] Insulated and he's been insulated these past two votes by being immune but then also by what is with the rock draw?

[01:33:11] So it's easy to make decisions when you're in a dictate when you are kind of insulated, right now

[01:33:16] When you're not insulated is a whole different story out there when everybody is fair game and you only need six

[01:33:24] So what I'm saying is in this group?

[01:33:27] I feel like the dynamic is different now where I feel like Ben can link up in

[01:33:33] Q it to Kinsey and Tim have more options now I

[01:33:36] I

[01:33:41] Okay, so I must have like not seen him building with Kenzie but I believe you absolutely

[01:33:47] I just think that I think he's I

[01:33:52] Think he could either be now so

[01:33:55] Fragile that he does like start looking for these other inroads. Yeah

[01:33:59] Or I think he can go back to the to the three remaining

[01:34:04] remaining

[01:34:05] Segas but

[01:34:07] What I was trying I think what I was trying to say earlier was that like

[01:34:11] This group has now been shaken almost decimated, right? Now it's like alright

[01:34:19] Do we even need to keep cracking them right now or now is it time for

[01:34:24] To start looking towards the nominees, right?

[01:34:28] We when are they gonna get some y'all new blood I mean

[01:34:33] Man they're chilling floating and they say mission to Tika three you think they go at the purple people with three go far

[01:34:39] Did they mention the three? Yes, so I'm missing any confessionals

[01:34:43] They know I'm not in these y'all new people go

[01:34:45] It's like these are like you have done like bro. So who's who so who are they cutting?

[01:34:51] I

[01:34:54] Yeah, and it's like yeah now you cut Ben's number one and

[01:35:00] We know Ben is a rock star if somebody like takes out his lead bass player

[01:35:05] You think Ben's gonna let that rock like no Ben wants some blood

[01:35:10] Charlie was she read as Charlie once Q. Charlie already admitted that Maria is rocking with Charlie. That's three, right?

[01:35:17] then Ben

[01:35:20] Right down anybody

[01:35:22] In trouble pretty soon. I mean, it's right to anybody that sport, right? Okay, Liz don't care about no cue

[01:35:29] She got that money. That's five right? All right

[01:35:32] No, the other now the other six is solid. That's great, right?

[01:35:36] Or will they say this is opportunity to improve my my game have my five going into nine and we still have a majority

[01:35:43] I'm on board. I agree with y'all. I think Q is I

[01:35:48] Think that's a that's an easy one

[01:35:51] That's an easy one, right? Like I agree with you because but then also if he was going then that illuminates a lot of other things

[01:35:57] So there is a case that the wreck mackerel

[01:36:00] Like it's gonna be the big like oh cues going alright

[01:36:03] Maybe hunter than everything the tenant like the way the way the people left are you have a Liz you have

[01:36:09] Smaller and stature Dr. Maria smaller this

[01:36:12] Tiff Kinsey they're chilling right and now we start taking out the big quote-unquote big personality all those guys that were in

[01:36:20] That that muni challenge, right start taking those got to him now

[01:36:24] They're gonna start from a new majority and that's kind of how the new era has been going what I was thinking

[01:36:30] I

[01:36:31] Was thinking before y'all you kind of swayed my opinion but now I'm swaying back a

[01:36:36] Q and a hunter. I don't see as the big threats on this season. I see them as big people

[01:36:42] Right. I see the big threats as those people sitting back strategizing like

[01:36:49] And and and I see those people looking at the big threats that are the big social people

[01:36:56] Okay, so when when I think of a Q and a hunter

[01:37:01] I feel like some people aren't even worried about them similar to how some people weren't even really worried about

[01:37:06] Jonathan similar to how some people weren't even worried about zander. I feel like they're just like

[01:37:14] The only difference with Q's game is that Q has been vocal

[01:37:17] With trying to articulate and create votes, right?

[01:37:22] And he's sitting at the end trying to vocalize that with anybody I still think they got him

[01:37:28] Well, yeah, I don't think he's on a winner's stock

[01:37:30] The pot it's he's just hard to pull to the end because it's like Q's it's a Q's way or the highway

[01:37:34] So that's that's a harder person to just take with you and people want to feel like they have agency playing the game

[01:37:40] Like so even if their agency is a bad move

[01:37:43] Right, you know, like I think my vote was a bad move but people wanted to have agency

[01:37:47] Right people that want to play the game when I have agency. So you come to venus like oh you want some agency

[01:37:52] You want to take out q what you think you're gonna say? That's what I've been saying the whole time

[01:37:57] So like that like, you know people that may not have had as much influence like oh you want to make this move

[01:38:03] Okay, cool. Let's let's let's play now. I don't want you to go home. I don't

[01:38:07] I don't I don't want that to happen

[01:38:08] I just feel like when you start eliminating people like yourself or that are considered from will

[01:38:15] I'm tim was considered a strategist q considered myself a strategist considering some

[01:38:18] Right people right tim was in a dominant position in the stride people I think you the dominant position in stride

[01:38:23] So when you make that target within your season that archaeo site

[01:38:26] That's that that archaeo site within the season what a threat is they start going

[01:38:31] If you start seeing that happen most of the time

[01:38:33] So do you want to go to the end with a q say what you want?

[01:38:37] But we know he can spend the story

[01:38:39] We know his backstory of his family like you get q in that hot seat and you was the jury

[01:38:46] You might be like

[01:38:49] level

[01:38:51] You don't want to sit next to q. He can talk you're not afraid to talk

[01:38:54] I would go at you here if I was

[01:38:56] If I was I think he's appealing this effect

[01:38:58] So

[01:38:59] Like like sitting next to him. What's your argument? Like homeboys delusional or homeboy didn't didn't talk to you all

[01:39:06] I think it's a situation. Yeah, I think he is a little as far as the game goes a little

[01:39:10] Delusional and so if you're if you come in ready to

[01:39:14] Counter a lot of his arguments and you're gonna you're gonna leave him really flustered. I think where he's gonna be

[01:39:19] Oh, I controlled this just

[01:39:20] Because it's like he's so upfront about things if you're doing some stuff he's got receipts right now

[01:39:26] But also people are gonna sit on that jury like man, I don't love how he talked to me

[01:39:31] Like yeah, but I don't want to vote for that guy

[01:39:34] But you don't know how the jury's gonna vote

[01:39:36] I respect like you never

[01:39:40] Get rubbed the wrong way by q like at this point. I don't think charlie sees q as a

[01:39:45] A good winner. I don't think gaveler put pawn fronds on people while they were asleep and he still got the million dollars

[01:39:50] You don't know what these juries

[01:39:52] Detectable so testament to the fact that gaveler was I guess compassionate

[01:39:56] And also that was more about a fact a lot of people not wanting to vote for cacity

[01:40:01] And we're not not wanting to vote for owens

[01:40:03] So a lot of times especially in the new era the people that win can be a product of being the the the person that

[01:40:11] They'd be sitting next to people that the jurors don't want to vote for and I think there's only gonna be a lot of

[01:40:16] Jurors that don't want to vote for q. I can't see really like a venus one

[01:40:19] I don't see a charlie wanting to vote for q. I don't even really see like a kenzie wanting to vote for q

[01:40:28] I feel like kenzie's gonna make a move on q's you would have did it now

[01:40:30] I feel like you know, I feel like kenzie's fine with q

[01:40:33] I feel like sometimes when you you don't see the human moments out there sometimes and a person like q

[01:40:39] He's probably that dynamic because he is having those non-dynamic moments as well

[01:40:43] Like you can have like

[01:40:44] I remember when me and cask got into the argument about voting the girl off everybody was like

[01:40:48] James you're talking down the cast but they didn't know me and cask were like

[01:40:52] Tight buddies since day one like we had a great rapport

[01:40:55] And she felt confident enough to communicate to me in that way

[01:40:59] Then I wasn't going to take it that way and that was a sign of how tight we were on the island

[01:41:03] So I just think q from a player's perspective and looking at the players in the game

[01:41:09] They don't want to sit next to a q or a tevin these people are have dynamic personalities and can communicate very well

[01:41:16] Like a jam jam like like you they like that becomes the more threatening than a liz right

[01:41:24] Then a venus and then when the game switches from okay

[01:41:27] What's more threatening to my game and winning is like is venus more threatening than and this is where people start digging

[01:41:33] Who you is venus more threatening than q or q or uh tevin?

[01:41:37] Nope and then the alliances and your elizis didn't change because you start looking at it from

[01:41:43] Well, yeah

[01:41:44] Look for the sake of time

[01:41:46] I don't want to get too into like the weeds on it

[01:41:48] But I do I'm just saying I think I line a little bit more with window on that

[01:41:51] I don't think q is a huge threat to win

[01:41:53] But I do agree that I think he will probably go pretty soon because

[01:41:57] He's such an assertive force that it's like even if you're happy to go to the end with him

[01:42:01] You're gonna have to do that under q's plan. So if he's just kind of a hard person to work with

[01:42:06] Similar to chris noble

[01:42:11] I'm dead. Sorry in the last podcast somebody

[01:42:16] One thing window going to is bring up chris noble

[01:42:21] I'm dead that's why I did it that's why I did it but okay, okay

[01:42:26] That's why I did it

[01:42:29] So they do go they do go tim

[01:42:31] uh

[01:42:33] I think for me. I think the lesson to be learned at both of these tribals

[01:42:38] I feel like

[01:42:41] More so for this um soda though than the timbo, but I feel like

[01:42:45] People sort of made a move to make a move

[01:42:48] I think they

[01:42:50] Decided to keep the devil they know rather than the devil they don't

[01:42:53] Which would be not that bad not bad necessarily being the devil they know but

[01:42:57] They they had people that they were working with like a tim and a soda

[01:43:03] Who were also, you know kind of playing an independent game?

[01:43:06] But I ultimately think tim had a lot of loyalty to this yonu group

[01:43:10] And I think that soda had a lot of loyalty to tevin and liz and hunter

[01:43:14] And I think they made a move because they didn't want you know allies going and doing other things

[01:43:21] You know, they they're like, okay. We know where venus is at. She's not with us

[01:43:23] Which is not really with anybody

[01:43:25] Uh, but ultimately I I don't really love either of these moves because I think

[01:43:30] you you keep

[01:43:32] Your numbers even if the numbers aren't 100% with you those are options for you rather than

[01:43:36] Getting rid of some options that you're not sure where they're at but keeping options

[01:43:41] That you know aren't really with you

[01:43:43] But the question I wanted to wrap up this tribal is hunter, you know goes into this tribal with an idol

[01:43:49] I think it's very easy given how it played out to say, okay, great

[01:43:52] He didn't play as idle, but I was suddenly thinking in a moment. I'm like

[01:43:56] Hey, you know, it's either gonna be you or a sega

[01:43:59] And I think there's an added element of like this determines whether you make the jury or not and

[01:44:05] You know, that might be small, but I think I'd be really tempted to be like, okay

[01:44:08] If it's me or someone else

[01:44:10] Maybe I think it's more likely gonna be tim

[01:44:13] But maybe I just play it secure my spot in the final 10 and a spot on the jury

[01:44:17] Uh

[01:44:18] Which you know, you obviously want to play to win but making the jury is a big step and also helps your chances to

[01:44:25] Even come back in a future season just being able to sit on the jury. So

[01:44:28] Do do we think hunter off? Of course, he ultimately made the right decision

[01:44:32] But in the moment where you guys thinking hey, should play as idle or should hold it

[01:44:36] I feel like if he plays his idol this round, he probably goes home next round

[01:44:44] From a from a from a from a standpoint of

[01:44:48] Like you didn't raise your level that you had this idol

[01:44:51] You don't need the idle. So you played the idle wrong, right? Or quote unquote wrong

[01:44:55] Even though I'm not opposed to just playing the idle, right?

[01:44:57] You you build trust with people and if you're not getting it past this vote, you're not getting past next vote, right?

[01:45:04] So they when this small tribe everybody's like, you know, we try to vote you out

[01:45:08] Use your idol get through it

[01:45:09] You know, that means everybody from this tribal try to vote you out and use your idol to save you

[01:45:14] And you may you get back to your people

[01:45:16] But you're still now the target is on you. So people are going to be like, okay

[01:45:20] What's the easy vote and he falls in the easy vote territory?

[01:45:24] I feel like his gamble is saying if I'm he's here to play to win the game

[01:45:28] And if I can't get past this vote, I can't win this game

[01:45:31] And if I get past this vote, you know, then I have my idol and then that enhances my chance of winning this game

[01:45:37] so

[01:45:38] I agree with the sentiment of like you're playing to win, right?

[01:45:42] So the gamble here is like but I do think this is a unique circumstance where

[01:45:47] He's in this the tribes are divided up

[01:45:50] If he he might not be able to get past this vote because the groups are split up

[01:45:54] But if he saves himself here and then gets back to all his allies all the nami's on the other side

[01:46:00] Absolutely, you could still reposition yourself and be alright

[01:46:03] But I do the argument is also he might play the idol and it keeps him safe

[01:46:07] But maybe that shows the yonis that he's now trying to work with. Hey, I don't fully trust you

[01:46:11] So that's another added element

[01:46:13] But I still think it's a very good case to play the idol and then make sure you get back to that final

[01:46:17] And it backs your nami people and then

[01:46:21] Set in his basement many hours or many a days with a fake idol in his pocket like

[01:46:29] Practicing what to do and I feel like it paid off and like I said before

[01:46:35] In order to win survivor, you have to play to win and I think

[01:46:38] I think

[01:46:39] That showed that right here, right?

[01:46:41] Him not playing it is a huge move. It's more beneficial for him moving forward

[01:46:45] The him pulling his idol out and playing it tonight. So I definitely think for me

[01:46:51] It has raised my watch level on my hunter and again

[01:46:57] I'm hunters a survivor fan. Yeah, and I'm turning into a

[01:47:01] Dove and this dove sees the hunter. So come find me

[01:47:04] Oh

[01:47:05] Yeah, I do think that maybe this yonu group is pretty like with q at the helm

[01:47:11] I feel like hunter probably did get a good sense that he was probably safe because q feels like a pretty straightforward person

[01:47:18] Uh, so with that read in mind, I definitely think it's great that he was able to hold the idol

[01:47:23] But yeah, I mean, I definitely think it's it would have been tough to to hold that when you know

[01:47:28] It's either you're gonna be you or cga

[01:47:31] It'll be fun to see when q has to really start lying in the game

[01:47:34] I mean, we've seen him uh in the confessionals whether he's lying or telling the truth

[01:47:39] But uh, but also to hunter real quick, uh, brice to your hunter. Um

[01:47:46] He got through with an idol he's very strong. He can win some immunities. He has great alliances

[01:47:54] This is one of those people

[01:47:56] We should watch out for that

[01:47:58] especially with

[01:48:00] So many other types of threats being in the game

[01:48:03] Why yes, yes, this is why I I love to tell window why I like his season two

[01:48:08] Is that he like if window played a new era right just from a physicality personality standpoint

[01:48:16] He would be a person that would be considered a standout a physical threat

[01:48:21] Super social but then but windows he's he had a seabass. He had him. He had a mic. He had he had these

[01:48:27] Chris noble chris noble you had these big personalities who were also athletic who were kind of like windows

[01:48:34] So window didn't just be the six two person that he is like

[01:48:40] Six four if you're doing survivor stats

[01:48:42] Thank you

[01:48:43] So and that's why it's so important to look at the people you're with and for hunter to have a q

[01:48:49] A tevin even like just people that are similar and I'd say they're equals or x y z

[01:48:54] But just similar from a and tevin being your your your social shield and partner

[01:49:00] I think that gives you a couple of votes with the idol so that gives you three votes

[01:49:05] You don't have to get the four from six right and when it you build immunity

[01:49:10] You know so I feel like that's the thing we are looking at game now

[01:49:13] It's very a lot shorter than people think it really is where you have these first two votes

[01:49:18] You get the 10

[01:49:20] You said it's a lot shorter than what people say it is. I said no to him

[01:49:24] Yo

[01:49:26] That's crazy. Yo, that becomes a vibrant thing

[01:49:29] Like no tim I feel

[01:49:31] Should give you a fair one of that because it's a vibrant thing

[01:49:33] If you will be like if that becomes a new no cap like yeah, yo, I'm out here killing the challenges. No tim

[01:49:40] No cap is no is no q

[01:49:44] Yo, no no

[01:49:48] I got I got ups on the basketball court. No tim. No tim. Oh

[01:49:53] Bro

[01:49:56] Trying to go on survivor like this isn't tender you can

[01:50:02] No, I mean

[01:50:03] They do like they want to make sure teams are as equal as possible. You know like they're trying to figure those things out

[01:50:09] But now I don't know around now so that they give you bigger people with your with your team

[01:50:14] No, let me tell you want to know some some behind the scenes this uh, they thought I was super fat

[01:50:19] Yo, and that's why I was on you thought I was super duper big based on my my size weight proportions

[01:50:25] Because I was like well five eight 220. So if you look at you look up a five eight 220 person like

[01:50:30] Yeah

[01:50:34] It seemed like he's gonna be stronger in challenges so they're gonna give him weaker tribe mates

[01:50:40] So what did the strategy be maybe round down your height? They think you're gonna be worse at challenges than you are

[01:50:44] They're gonna make your challenge. They're your tribe stronger

[01:50:51] No, jack bro, you're gonna be at the sink if you ever get on the show you're gonna have to be the person

[01:50:54] He looked to you have to be the the strong personally a tribe. Yeah

[01:50:58] I'm saying five ten

[01:51:01] Oh, oh they gonna know it's you they were like, oh

[01:51:05] You feel that physical in but no

[01:51:07] No linsky

[01:51:09] But nah man, uh

[01:51:12] I'm excited for this second half and um, I think hunter is

[01:51:16] Is doing the best awesome impression he can do with trying to be as non-threatening as possible

[01:51:22] But still be athletic threat which I think is easy when you have a social butterfly as your number one

[01:51:27] Like I feel like that is how you you really position yourself if you're positioning in this game

[01:51:33] so I

[01:51:34] And I feel like that's just kind of

[01:51:36] You know what where things stand and the question is where's the next six and where's the next majority group want to perform in?

[01:51:43] I'm excited to see it before we get into that. I mean, we still have one more vote to cover real quick

[01:51:47] We have the other beach

[01:51:49] Um, and we could be already touched on it a lot, but we could keep it ultimately they blindside soda

[01:51:55] tevin folks with soda for venus and venus sort of takes

[01:52:00] Responsibility for this but we think that voting soda was I mean, I guess you could say the people in power here

[01:52:07] We're like kind of like a tevin. I guess you could say a maria and a charlie

[01:52:11] Was this the right

[01:52:14] Here on this

[01:52:17] From maria and charlie. Yes. Can I ask y'all a question? I mean because I watched the episode

[01:52:22] Like we're 100% sure tevin was understood what was happening with the vote

[01:52:28] I

[01:52:30] If I think that's a good question james because I was like, all right tevin's ready to get busy

[01:52:38] Because I mean the reason why you would vote for a venus is to make it seem like you're out

[01:52:43] You're on the outs to a venus, right?

[01:52:46] Like to make her come through before the next vote with some type of deal now. So I mean

[01:52:52] I'm

[01:52:52] I want to get credit credit to tevin's game because I feel like it's playing phenomenal game

[01:52:56] So it's definitely a nice move to

[01:53:00] If you like D

[01:53:01] I think D did this a couple of times last year

[01:53:03] It's fine to be on the wrong side of the quote on the wrong side of the vote

[01:53:06] If you know where the votes are going to lower your threat level and your stock within groups

[01:53:11] Like even if you want to let the other group know you like

[01:53:14] But it'll be good to know

[01:53:16] Based on the way the edit was that if they're gonna have an edit saying

[01:53:19] These four are gonna vote here and me and soda are gonna do here

[01:53:22] Soda's gonna go home or something to give me that type of insight

[01:53:27] Maybe he'll say like I voted with soda because I want her to go to the jury

[01:53:31] You know, but I do sometimes think that's where people would do a little too much because if I'm

[01:53:37] Say i'm a liz say i'm a liz and I say tevin orchestrated this vote

[01:53:42] But then he voted with soda

[01:53:44] Like the first member of the jury it seems like

[01:53:48] That's something that could really

[01:53:50] What if he lies but

[01:53:53] I mean that could work, but you're still he might but

[01:53:58] It's a little bit uh

[01:54:01] No matter what however he comes clean or if they saw he lied or whatever

[01:54:05] It's gonna up his threat level

[01:54:08] Even if he told them yo, i'm still voting soda it's gonna up his threat level

[01:54:13] I mean, I think you just

[01:54:16] You just tevin you just dropped and I love you tevin you know this but from my perspective and I

[01:54:21] We don't see what happens out there. We see the edit, but it looks like you just dropped a bomb on your

[01:54:27] On one other option of alliances for you a little early. That's what it looks like from an outsider's perspective

[01:54:33] And it's gonna up his threat level

[01:54:36] I don't think he's as in trouble as

[01:54:38] Like for other reasons as you guys said earlier

[01:54:41] But I do think this situation where he's almost making like too good of a move

[01:54:45] But it's the final 12. So you don't you don't need to do that. But yeah, you could just kind of go with the 12

[01:54:51] Like like I said, it's it's tough

[01:54:54] Everybody because they're casting like people that want to play the game

[01:54:58] is very tough to

[01:55:01] To do what a jam jam did like to really just roll with it

[01:55:05] When you do have the power like when jam jam had the ability to blow up the whole like idle play

[01:55:11] xyz

[01:55:12] Having that power to know that and want to do something especially if you've been losing

[01:55:17] Is a lot and to be able to have that restraint to not do something is the new super power

[01:55:22] I think it's survivor is to take that information and and have restraint

[01:55:26] And be able to then let the chest fall where they fall because that's how the winners are

[01:55:31] Are winning nowadays, you know you make your moves when you have to not because you want to

[01:55:37] And power good call James

[01:55:41] I do think soda like has shown that maybe tevin is her number one

[01:55:45] Right. So tevin has every right to be worried about soda down the line

[01:55:50] But it's like why not just get rid of avienus who's shown that she just doesn't really rock with you

[01:55:56] Over someone who could be a really valuable asset for you. It's like sure soda's playing a social game

[01:56:01] But I mean even the fact that you're the one in control of this vote

[01:56:05] Probably should show to you that you do have more

[01:56:08] Control and agency then soda does so maybe you don't have to be as worried as

[01:56:13] I'm so high on tevin though. So oh, yeah

[01:56:16] I'm I'm high on tevin and that's something to think about when when you are playing like the game if you do go out there

[01:56:22] is that

[01:56:23] Like because you just because you can make a vote doesn't mean you should make a vote and

[01:56:29] uh

[01:56:30] It kind of just thinking about that in the sense of yeah, you know one last note

[01:56:35] I said that um that how they flashed to tevin and he was like no, that's my move at the end. He didn't really say too much

[01:56:43] That could also I said that that could be what leads to him like claiming the move and getting voted out

[01:56:48] That could also be what leads to him sitting at the end and flashing back to that move. Hey soda

[01:56:54] That was my move. I put you on the jury. I voted with you

[01:56:59] And you're about to get all of these jurors to vote for me to win this game

[01:57:03] Until they go back to the jury and spoil that story until you get the ponderosa

[01:57:08] I would be surprised if he claimed it because then it's like well, then why even bother voting was so right if you're gonna claim it

[01:57:14] in front of everybody

[01:57:15] Uh, so I'm more on with you one on like that other option of

[01:57:19] letting venus take this ownership

[01:57:21] And secretly be like all right me and my people like we know it was us but venus could go think she's

[01:57:27] In a hot like in the in the driver seat

[01:57:30] Um, but yeah, I mean, I think tevin's got a lot of

[01:57:33] Game to bring I thought this was a little bit early

[01:57:36] But I'd I like seeing tevin like play hard and do some really creative

[01:57:41] Uh, some really creative stuff and it feels like yeah just to put a pin in it

[01:57:46] Now it feels like the season's starting to ramp up a little bit

[01:57:48] I thought this was the best episode of the season and now I think we have a lot of strong players

[01:57:52] A lot of strong alliances left in the game

[01:57:55] And you know with the benefit of the 90 minutes is all these players have a little bit more of a story

[01:57:59] So it's going to be more impactful as they start to go out

[01:58:02] Um, and I think there's a lot of players who could potentially take it home, which is excited

[01:58:07] Last question two gut punches with those vote outs by the way on the rewatch like I was teary eyed for both of them

[01:58:15] I mean, I don't car people getting voted out. However, what I will say is jack

[01:58:19] I like what you said that everybody has a chance to win

[01:58:22] Which I said what which I say about threats in general

[01:58:26] Everybody in this final 10 has a path towards winning

[01:58:29] about

[01:58:30] don't

[01:58:34] James is right everyone has a path to winning and what everyone does have a path to is

[01:58:40] Uh, in my opinion

[01:58:43] A chance to see us live in Chicago on april 22nd the bryce and went to our 46

[01:58:49] Is coming to chicago will be in boston may 8th will be in philadelphia may

[01:58:55] 15th and the grand finale is in new york may 22nd make sure you get your ticket to the bryce and went to our

[01:59:02] 46, uh, it's definitely been a

[01:59:06] Grand old tour the door door door thus far

[01:59:09] Uh, philadelphia may 15th and shout out to pittsburgh. We had a time over there in pittsburgh

[01:59:15] We can't thank james jones lindl holland and jack eckins enough. This has been this week's survivor news

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