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[00:02:23] This edition, Episode 370- what y'all talking about?

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[00:03:04] week's recap! I am joined this week by the baby boy, Jack Atkins from Netflix,

[00:03:11] The Circle Season 2, and we have from Survivor Season 43, Noel Lambert joining us this week

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[00:03:25] we're talking about the meat shield, we're talking about gyms moves and what happened!

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[00:04:20] Survivor News!

[00:04:33] And we are back this week with your Survivor News and of course you know if we do

[00:04:39] on Survivor News we have to have the baby boy the Jack to the Atkins fresh off of his fight in

[00:04:44] Las Vegas how we doing Jack? Good a lot of people thought I was gonna be here after that fight for

[00:04:50] this episode but I'm happy to say we survived we put up a decent effort and now we're back in the ring

[00:04:57] with Bryce and Noel to talk some did you win? No but I was not like the other day.

[00:05:05] I need the video I need to see the video it's out today I'm waiting for it to uh to drop

[00:05:11] live stream it's not necessarily my best moment but we've got to get that bag regardless so

[00:05:20] I barely trained in my opponent apparently trained a lot but I still made things interesting so

[00:05:25] that was it was a lot of fun yeah well we're proud of Jack okay he won the moment he stepped into

[00:05:31] the ring now let's also welcome to back to the Purple Pants podcast I believe she currently is a

[00:05:38] world record or United States right older okay because in my heart is the world yes

[00:05:45] for the books in the United States for the long jump let's welcome season 43 Noel Lambert

[00:05:52] backs it up hello hello so excited to be back and for having me to have you if I would have known

[00:05:59] that you were practicing for a long jumping I you know no I've been long jumping holes okay

[00:06:05] yeah for years girl I'm gonna I'm gonna told you some tips oh my god well it was actually funny

[00:06:12] because recently Mark my fiance came to long jump practice with me you know your favorite person

[00:06:19] Bryce and you know I was I taught him how I was like these are your marks not expecting

[00:06:26] any literally the first jump he beat me I was just like all right whatever you have two legs

[00:06:30] I don't want to talk about it we love Mark as well how have you liked before we get into this

[00:06:37] episode Noel thoughts on the season thus far thoughts on the season so I really like it I know that

[00:06:45] like in the beginning can be tough with you know character development and like exciting and flashy

[00:06:50] moves um but I think I mean especially last night's episode it's finally like you're starting

[00:06:57] to see the gameplay you know it's really tough watching week after week and watching one tribe

[00:07:03] struggle really hard um because you know you just feel for them and you're just like that sucks

[00:07:08] like I can't even imagine so it's just like every every episode you were hoping but I think the characters

[00:07:13] are great I think they did a great job casting and I'm just I'm I'm excited for it to keep going

[00:07:19] because you know in the beginning I was like all right this is a little slow but you know I mean my

[00:07:24] season was obviously a little slow as well it's just like everybody else so now it's finally

[00:07:28] starting to get into like the nitty gritty and we got to see some great game moves in last

[00:07:34] night's episode so it just gets me more excited for the season and yeah last thought what was

[00:07:41] your thought when god blindsided banu when who blindsided when you know I mean that's like the one

[00:07:55] thing you I just don't think he should have done but I love but I actually got to meet banu

[00:08:01] last night at us all Friday and he was just like in like you would see in the sea he was so

[00:08:11] he was so incredibly had a great light to him you know he was very emotional and like grateful for

[00:08:16] like the experience but you know I mean you can't blame god for your own mistakes um because

[00:08:26] you just the whole time you were every everything that he was doing it was like why are you telling

[00:08:31] these people and then like giving yourself up like that makes no sense um but yeah I thought that

[00:08:37] was hilarious I mean when he got down on his knees I was like wow like this is getting serious

[00:08:43] it wasn't but all lots of on it I mean you know he did a he did a great job he did the best

[00:08:48] that he could do and you know his at least I mean he still I came out of it with a great experience

[00:08:55] which is all that matters we love it we love banu here uh so Jack what you got for us this week

[00:09:02] yeah I mean we get we kick off the episode coming back to yanu after they lose banu and I mean

[00:09:10] they're really just kind of talking about how miserable they are after losing all these challenges

[00:09:16] and still not having fire really not having any food cue says that he's considering quitting but

[00:09:22] then in confessional he also says that uh he sort of is just saying that to keep Kenzie on her toes

[00:09:30] uh I mean I got first and foremost guys do we think he was actually considering quitting or do

[00:09:35] he think this is all part of his strategy so on my season season 28 uh we had a typhoon uh

[00:09:44] and so you know I was only out there for 11 days but it rained for three days nonstop like no

[00:09:51] sun just nothing but rain and I can remember being pulled for a confessional and I remember

[00:09:56] they're them asking me like how are you doing what do you think it and I'm like if no sun comes out

[00:10:02] tomorrow uh we could pack this up so I really think that in that moment you could have potentially

[00:10:09] been serious serious about that because when you are just soking soaking wet your underwear your socks

[00:10:16] your clothes no food no nothing like I really do think that uh it gets the best of you and him

[00:10:21] even saying that that's like the second time that Q has said that you know I love me some cue

[00:10:25] shout out to the cue pillow uh but it just makes me again I go back to Jolinsky uh and the hourglass

[00:10:34] and was it really Jolinsky or could it have been cute that's just kind of what I I think a little bit

[00:10:42] yeah I mean when he said that I was just like oh my god I swear to god if this happens but

[00:10:49] I think with the mentality that Q has you know just being a competitor I don't think I think

[00:10:54] I think what he said what with you know saying it's a Kenzie to kind of throw her off is kind of

[00:11:00] like a little bit smart um so like it doesn't because in the back of her mind she it's putting

[00:11:06] you know her at ease because she's saying okay well maybe we don't have to go to tribal maybe

[00:11:11] he'll just quit or something like that so I could never see someone like you doing it because he's

[00:11:16] been such a fighter up until this point uh when it came out of his mouth I was just like this can't be real

[00:11:22] but I can't imagine multiple days in a row with rain we did it luckily my season like it rained

[00:11:30] it did rain but it didn't rain multiple days in a row and I always think back to you know your season

[00:11:37] and like other seasons where just for days and I remember waking up just after one night it was pouring

[00:11:44] rain and everything was soaked and I was freezing and I couldn't I'm like just that one moment

[00:11:49] I was freaking out and it rained for just for one night so it does put things into perspective

[00:11:55] and it makes it really makes you think because it really breaks you down to your core and that's

[00:12:00] when you learn the type of person you are and if you can actually battle through it right

[00:12:07] I'm in between on cue because I agree he's a competitor I don't think he would quit the game

[00:12:12] but I do think him going to confessional and saying all this stuff was probably but you know maybe

[00:12:17] the producer asking questions was like so you mentioned earlier you were thinking about quitting

[00:12:23] and then he was probably like no no no no no no yeah I didn't want to quit I was all

[00:12:27] in the game whereas maybe in the moment and sometimes I'm sure you joke you're like if it keeps

[00:12:32] raining you could get me up out of here and it's like you might not actually mean it but you might be

[00:12:36] you know not feeling your best but was it a good strategy I don't think saying you want to quit

[00:12:42] is ever really a smart strategy more on this topic and I mean no well on your season

[00:12:49] your starting trial did lose quite a few challenges when you're in that headspace of like

[00:12:54] you're losing a lot of challenges and then you're adding in these factors like they don't have flint

[00:12:59] they don't it's really rainy is there anything that you think they could be doing to

[00:13:06] and obviously later in the episode we see finally they get a win but in this moment is there

[00:13:10] anything they could actively be doing to sort of write this ship is there anything they could be

[00:13:14] changing around camp about their attitudes about their approach to challenges that could help them

[00:13:20] stop this sinking ship or is it just one of those things where the momentum is so bad that they're

[00:13:26] kind of just in desperate situation until they swap or they merge yeah I mean it's tough because

[00:13:33] you want to think that like there there must be something but you can't like force a group of

[00:13:38] people to like bond or like coming up with these different things and that was never our issue

[00:13:43] like when we would lose we would go back to camp and like we I loved every single person on my

[00:13:49] tribe like and I remember Cody just always joking around and like yeah it sucks because nobody

[00:13:56] wanted to go to tribal nobody wanted to stay up that late everyone just wanted to go to bed when

[00:14:00] the sun went down but we would always lock in before challenges and I really think it's just a

[00:14:06] momentum thing and it's really just you know like what can we be doing better um and talking about

[00:14:13] people's strength I mean I was talking to Bruce last line he was saying you know before every single

[00:14:19] challenge we had it mapped out like what I'm just like it's really tough to do that when you don't

[00:14:24] exactly know what you're doing and you do get a scroll like you get a little bit of a hint but you

[00:14:28] you don't know exactly what you're doing so I don't know for me I'm we didn't we we got Flint

[00:14:36] and from the first challenge and then we got to take it away from us and we didn't have fire I mean

[00:14:41] not as long as you know they didn't have fire but we didn't have fire for you know seven days I think

[00:14:47] and it was honestly like in our heads we were like we don't have any food to cook anyways like

[00:14:53] it's not like we need it's not like we need the fire like we have a machete we can eat coconut so

[00:14:58] it was mostly just like a motivation thing with you know like we need to get going um especially

[00:15:06] after losing NECCA and losing you know our second or third challenge in a row we were just like

[00:15:11] we're not losing we're done and we would just lock in like from the second we left the island to go

[00:15:15] to to go to the challenge we were just like and I just I could always hear Cody like just talking

[00:15:21] to himself and it would just light a fire within me and I was like okay this is awesome like we're all

[00:15:26] gonna go to bat for each other and yeah but it's it's tough with you know with the morale down and

[00:15:33] especially if you're like them and just continuously like I can't imagine not having a machete

[00:15:40] for how many days was it nine or eleven I mean eleven yeah how are they even eating a coconut

[00:15:46] like it's very difficult to open up a freaking coconut with the machete so how are they doing it

[00:15:53] without one is very impressive and I just think that deserves recognition alone um

[00:16:00] because you're thinking I mean one what we were thinking of too and what I found out afterwards

[00:16:04] is that these other tribes um on my season they were I mean they were eating at the blue tribe

[00:16:12] they had all the all these different food on the island that they could find so they were eating

[00:16:17] like three meals a day we were only eating coconut and so it was just like when that happens

[00:16:23] and you're not fueling yourself it's tough I also think it's like a mind trick right if you are

[00:16:30] the tribe that is not eating does not have flint and these other tribes are thriving when you

[00:16:36] actually do pull out a w and the other tribe loses I feel like it's if the momentum completely shifts

[00:16:45] oh yeah and I love that as a viewer uh I always wish that the momentum was shift the little

[00:16:50] quote like a little farther away from the merge then right at the merge but yeah I also love

[00:16:56] the the mind trick that it does uh another thing that I thought was really interesting that

[00:17:00] I think you brought up was Kinsey every time Kinsey comes around with Tiffany and Q uh they'd be like

[00:17:09] what y'all talking about and Sidney blight salmon what y'all talking about uh we talk like

[00:17:13] I I thought that's funny right but I also think in real life like that's actually good-ish on

[00:17:20] Kinsey though right especially if it's only three a y'all especially if you know that Tiffany and

[00:17:28] Q are a tight knit I feel like one of the my biggest mistakes on uh Coggy on was that like I didn't

[00:17:35] ask enough questions right like I would see stuff going down and I would just like watch it from

[00:17:39] afar so I loved the fact that Kinsey has established like anytime I pull up on y'all what y'all

[00:17:45] talking about because one you expected and two it's like I'm gonna interject myself into every

[00:17:52] conversation so when Q first said it I was like oh no Kinsey no no but the more I think about

[00:17:57] it it's like I'm not mad at Kinsey like what's poppy what y'all talking about

[00:18:03] my new year I'm glad he said that Bryce because I thought the same thing I was it kind of remind

[00:18:11] me of uh edge of extinction where they showed the sequence of Aubrey being like we should start a

[00:18:16] dialogue and that how they kind of made fun of her for that but for this I'm like that's a pretty

[00:18:22] normal thing to do like if I remind you sometimes you know you're at like a party and maybe you don't

[00:18:27] know that many people and you see your friend talking to someone that you don't really know I feel

[00:18:31] like it's pretty normal to go or be like oh what do you guys chat about like and then that it's

[00:18:35] better than just going over it's just kind of standing there quietly and just waiting for so I'm

[00:18:40] like what is she supposed to do like you join a conversation you want to know what's being discussed

[00:18:44] so you can you know hop in on it uh so it was funny that they showed her doing kind of like the same

[00:18:50] exact way every time but again I'm not mad at Anita Bryce I think that's a very reasonable.

[00:18:55] I'm gonna go out of the limb and say she didn't even realize she was doing it but and it was just

[00:19:00] like a social cute like it's just like okay I'm I need to go and just make sure that I'm still

[00:19:04] having conversations so what's what's the best way to just interrupt a conversation what are you

[00:19:10] guys talking about like I like it I didn't I thought it was I thought it was hilarious and props to

[00:19:16] how they edited it because it was it was really funny. It was funny because even the way they

[00:19:21] edited right Tiffany would all Tiffany's response will always be so quick right so quick me as a

[00:19:28] viewer I'm all like suspicious right where they actually talking where they actually talking ish

[00:19:36] because Tiffany was like on it so good but again to you future survivors bust up the conversations

[00:19:43] walk up on them don't let stuff happen and you're just a spectator. Yeah it's also a great job

[00:19:50] on Tiffany's part because she's making her feel comfortable like she and she's answering right

[00:19:54] away so she always had something like immediately into that that's a great social game in itself with

[00:20:01] Tiffany and just being able to kind of because I like know that feeling like someone comes or like

[00:20:07] say if you're talking about someone and then they come and they're like and then you just immediately

[00:20:10] switch the subject because you don't want them to hear what you're actually saying or make it look

[00:20:14] suspicious so I thought that was I thought that was brilliant on this part. Yeah I think that could

[00:20:19] be a very telling thing in survivors when you do walk up on a conversation even from like the game

[00:20:24] that we did together right so you kind of learn you know if you show up and you're like what's up guys

[00:20:29] and they're just like oh we're just talking about how hungry we are it's like okay you were probably

[00:20:33] talking about something else and you don't have an actual answer for me it was probably about me

[00:20:40] or if someone you know you walked to someone's up to someone before tribal you're like what do you

[00:20:44] are talking about those like always talk about options for the vote or whatever it's like what do

[00:20:50] you think you know but so yeah it's nice of Tiffany to be quick on her toes and like give her

[00:20:56] something that seems maybe it was what if like that's the nice thing is we don't know because she did

[00:21:01] such a good job of coming up with something whether it was the truth or not the truth I also love

[00:21:07] that like because you're not gonna got to talk issue a cue I love how cute never said anything

[00:21:11] right like you was just like okay right okay

[00:21:20] you what are you doing again good on Tiffany for reading the room because like I'm sure it's

[00:21:26] Tiffany was like QA will say nothing so but uh but yeah that was funny uh then we kick it over

[00:21:33] to the Seiga tribe the Green Tribe I mean we see Charlie and Ben are continuing to bond and even

[00:21:40] though their tribe's been winning they're still enduring these elements that we see Yoni going

[00:21:43] through of the tough weather and that's bringing Charlie and Ben close together um wish also causes

[00:21:51] some concern for the girls that maybe they're losing Charlie to Ben but other than that we also see

[00:21:56] you know some fun salsa dancing going on on the beach a lot of what we've seen from Seiga is just

[00:22:03] these little funny moments that are completely not strategy related uh I don't know what did you

[00:22:10] guys think of this did you guys ever do any any dancing out on the island no yeah I don't know if

[00:22:18] I I did any dancing I thought it was hilarious with Tim bringing up the fact that he has not

[00:22:23] gone number two uh and you know he was waiting I think that that also was a disappointment of

[00:22:29] my own survivor where I always heard of Aqua dumping so I was like oh like you know a new experience

[00:22:35] but you forget when you're on surviving you're eating so little uh your body isn't producing

[00:22:42] much waste uh I think they are spot on with Ben like right every episode every time we get to see

[00:22:50] more of Ben I just love Ben right like he's just like the cutest little like just how he talks

[00:22:57] just how sure he is just how like upbeat and positive he is and I think that they're right to

[00:23:03] identify him as a target because you could be a physical threat but also a social threat and a

[00:23:09] social threat in the way that Ben is where it's like he's just funny he's like lighthearted not

[00:23:17] necessarily always talking about game I think that that is such a threat that isn't talked about

[00:23:22] enough and so um I love to see him and Charlie but it does make me a little nervous and you know

[00:23:28] I love Dr. Maria and so when we get to this part I gotta I feel like I don't know Dr. Maria what

[00:23:36] it should do in uh because I am not happy how this episode ended because I feel like

[00:23:44] Dr. Maria gave up some power

[00:23:46] yeah I mean we can get more into that as the you know we get into the vote but uh it was definitely

[00:23:55] Charlie definitely was able to make himself the the center of the action this this episode um

[00:24:02] one and that obviously he and Maria were in the swing position that kind of bring them to the

[00:24:06] other thing that happens in the sequence of Tim is very suspicious of Gem and Gem says she thinks

[00:24:13] she's doing a great job of lying she's not even smiling like she does when she lies back home so

[00:24:19] but now there's this kind of this Tim versus Gem for you going on and of course we know Charlie and Maria

[00:24:24] are in the middle before even that though right uh I clutched my pearls when they're like sitting

[00:24:31] by the sand and I don't know if it's Tim or Charlie but someone's like if someone actually

[00:24:36] felt uh the idol and hit it and making a search for two days like that's not cool

[00:24:44] I would be pissed if that was me it's like someone did that and I like came to the conclusion of

[00:24:51] oh my god someone just buried this and made us look I would be livid and I would be trying to find

[00:24:57] who out who it was and I wouldn't let it go I would literally like talk about it because

[00:25:03] my thing is like I think Gem I don't I don't know if Gem did that like I think she was just trying to

[00:25:10] be funny and like maybe just oh like let's do a joke let's make every and then she thought that

[00:25:16] everyone forget about it like no look but why would somebody stop looking for a beware advantage

[00:25:23] if they found it you know what I mean so I was just confused by the whole thing as a whole when

[00:25:28] she did it and I'm thinking are you not looking long term like are you not because people are

[00:25:34] gonna stop looking for this thing it's survivor like nobody's just gonna find it be like oh it's

[00:25:38] not underwear okay let's stop digging that's not how it's how it's gonna work so right when she

[00:25:44] did that I was like this just blew up her game I said it last episode I was just like why why would

[00:25:51] she do this it makes no sense it doesn't it doesn't it's not like a it's it's not like it was actually

[00:25:58] in the actual hidden idol or like a fake idol because if that was the case brilliant like and if

[00:26:02] you can get that if you can do that and another thing I don't like I don't know if it's like a new

[00:26:07] error thing but like when someone plants a fake idol why do they try to get the whole group to go

[00:26:12] looking so that one person can find it while everyone's well you know what I mean like

[00:26:18] if I if I were to ever try to plant a fake idol I would plant it very obviously

[00:26:24] and then I would just walk away and I wouldn't say anything to anybody and I'd wait for someone

[00:26:28] to get it and then that because then I would be like okay I don't even know who has this one

[00:26:32] when they play it could be even that much funnier it's something like that you know what I mean

[00:26:36] like I don't like the group idol hunts I hate it when we when we did it on my season I just I pulled

[00:26:43] the Maria I no not Maria sorry I pulled the Liz when she's sitting in the shelter I'm done that's

[00:26:51] literally that was me I because I already assumed somebody you know he found it I was like somebody

[00:26:56] I thought Cody had found it very early on so I was like I'm not looking I'm not wasting my energy

[00:27:01] not wasting my time like you guys go have some fun well I'm really glad that you

[00:27:07] had this opinion about gems move because I said the same thing last episode uh and I saw so many

[00:27:15] people online last week say oh this this bumps gems up gems stock winner stock up so much

[00:27:22] what a great move I mean I saw shout-out to I think it's survivor fact checker on Instagram they do

[00:27:28] like a weekly player of the week vote gem won that vote last week and yeah there's as Bryce knows

[00:27:35] there's nothing I love more than being proven right on the Perke Pants podcast and this week I

[00:27:42] think proved exactly everything I said last week about why this was not a good move proved all of

[00:27:47] those things right so I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna disagree with y'all right like I feel like it was a good

[00:27:53] move right I also feel like it snowballs a little bit right in the sense of because how does she pivot

[00:28:02] out of this right so say we don't know what happens right and this mounted tension has mounted

[00:28:09] how does she get out of it though like right so there's nothing that she could necessarily do

[00:28:14] that's why it's a bad move but no but no but listen but listen y'all I feel like the move was good

[00:28:21] I feel like her execution at the end I don't feel as though she read the room enough because if

[00:28:28] she could uh if she would have played her idol and got bent out or something I think her stock

[00:28:35] would have went up even how absolutely no but I actually disagree because look I get what you're

[00:28:41] saying I think on like in a vacuum that move of the planting it whatever could be a move that works

[00:28:47] out well for somebody but I think here a like you said she worked herself into a corner and how

[00:28:53] does she get out of it be the problem is as soon as she plays her idol everyone's gonna know that

[00:28:58] she was the one who planted the the where advantage and then lied about it to everybody and like no

[00:29:03] else said I think it's kind of minor but if I was digging for two days and you're lying to my face

[00:29:07] that you didn't put it there I'd be like okay that's the game but like also you just wasted like two

[00:29:13] days of my time and I know that you're willing to do sneaky stuff and just lie to everyone's face

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[00:31:28] and it just circles back to like last episode it's like the analogy I made and this is so stupid is

[00:31:38] like say you you've tooted and it doesn't smell right and but then you're like oh I don't want to

[00:31:46] anyone to know that I tooted let me spray fart spray in the room and everyone's gonna smell it

[00:31:53] and be like oh who did that and they might be like okay bris did it but they might be like oh

[00:31:59] jack did it and then now it's now this is whole question and suspicion where it's like well if

[00:32:04] you don't say anything to begin with you're gonna get away with a little too and so I feel like sorry

[00:32:10] it's such a weird analogy but I feel like gem wanted to make and was it fun of her yes but what she

[00:32:17] overplaying and it was completely unnecessary absolutely and just to tie it all together the biggest

[00:32:22] issue I had with it last week was that this suspicion is now on Tim but if people think Tim have an

[00:32:28] idol they're not gonna want to vote for him and so this idea that they had to split between Tim and Ben

[00:32:34] a would have been unnecessary if nobody was worried about an idol you wouldn't need to split

[00:32:38] and then because they don't want to vote for Tim now Ben is the primary target but people love Ben

[00:32:43] so they don't want to vote for Ben so that's how it all circles back on a gem whereas if she

[00:32:47] doesn't do this I think Tim goes but see I feel like that was gem's a part of her plan was to

[00:32:52] put a target on Tim and Ben because people love Ben yeah we love him but he also is a target

[00:33:00] another thing I wanted to say random of random bris if you want to say it's part of her plan

[00:33:08] to do that again I reluctantly agree with you and Noah Ben it might not I think the idea was great

[00:33:20] sure the execution yeah it was good it was good to be do I think she thought about it long term no I

[00:33:27] don't because I mean listen and I could 100% attest to doing something like this in like the

[00:33:34] spur of the moment be like oh my god this should be such a good idea and not think it all the way

[00:33:38] through like I would 100% do that I own that but in my and what I'm thinking of is just in her head

[00:33:47] did she just think that everyone was gonna stop looking like did she just think like I thought I

[00:33:52] think it would have been brilliant for her to wait until she got the idol and then to make a fake

[00:34:00] idol and then bury do something like that that like would have been oh my god it would have been

[00:34:04] incredible but it's it's I don't know I would just like I feel like another crucial part is she should

[00:34:15] have had a partner I think if she would have had a partner in on it with her I think that

[00:34:20] that could alleviate it some of the distrust or like dispersing the thought process no wait

[00:34:26] real quick because I just jack had me think of something you're right I was growing up you know I'm

[00:34:30] the youngest of five siblings and my mom used to always buy this air air freshener for the bathroom

[00:34:37] so you know whenever someone who uses the bathroom but as an adult now anytime I smell that air

[00:34:45] freshener I feel like who use like you know what I mean like I just associate that smell now with

[00:34:52] the smell it's like light it's like when you you have this stomach bug and then your parents are

[00:34:59] sparing lights all around the house now you can't even smell light saw because you'll just instantly

[00:35:03] think of throwing up I get it right yeah or you know you're going to date somebody you go to

[00:35:07] the house and like that's their air freshener that they use and you like oh my god yeah

[00:35:12] yeah to say it won't work you know how smell light

[00:35:16] but ultimately yeah no I agree with you in the fact that you know it's a fun idea couldn't do

[00:35:22] some good things for your game sure but I really think you're right that if you didn't think it

[00:35:26] all the way through and now we see those later repercussions that you don't think about initially

[00:35:32] of like if I play my idol they're gonna know it's me or now there's a target on people that

[00:35:38] now they're scared to vote for that could bounce the target over to me or even I said last week

[00:35:42] it's like if a Maria finds it by herself and opens it up and now she thinks she doesn't have a vote

[00:35:48] that might cause them to you know shift towards someone that they feels like a safer option to go with

[00:35:54] and so I just feel like gem was in a good spot so it's like why are you

[00:35:59] adding these curve balls into your own game that like sure it could work but it could also make you go

[00:36:08] here's my thing oh go ahead sorry do you feel like this is a new era issue where we have these players

[00:36:17] playing so hard because it also makes me think of like soda a little bit where like I love soda but

[00:36:25] I mean the edit that we're continuously getting after last week and the week before that where

[00:36:31] it's like she's great but people are like she could win like you know what I mean do you feel like

[00:36:37] if this is of the new new era like do you feel like this is not a curse but maybe a symptom of

[00:36:43] the 26 days this needs to kind of like make a mark and I think I think the thing I would

[00:36:52] diagnose associate the most with is actually just the way that they've changed testing where

[00:36:56] they're casting a lot of big fans and you know I actually think it's a very like I think the

[00:37:02] thing here is that these bigger fans are thinking about what's going to be like fun in the episode

[00:37:07] like what's gonna be entertaining television and make me maybe get more screen time and I actually

[00:37:12] don't mind that mentality from a player like gem who is on a try that for all intents and purposes

[00:37:18] is pretty boring gameplay wise I mean like a lot of their scenes are just like fun to hold some

[00:37:25] scenes and she's throwing this curveball in there that is now adding some layers of gameplay so for

[00:37:31] TV that's absolutely good TV and I appreciate gem if there was more gems on survivor I think survivor

[00:37:38] would be more fun but for her personal gameplay I think she got caught up with this notion of

[00:37:44] like I also think Jack is a symptom of not going to tribal right where you aren't playing the

[00:37:51] game so much and your tribe is so combined you have someone like a gem who's like I'm ready to

[00:37:56] play I need to make sure I have my plan A and B in place I also feel like that could be a symptom

[00:38:02] of being on a winning tribe as well totally it's a blessing in the curse of you know having 46 seasons

[00:38:10] of survivor and having all these super fans do the show I agree with you I think it like

[00:38:17] I would love to see you know half the cast not be die hard fans of survivor because I look at my

[00:38:26] season and I look at somebody like Cody Cody is not the biggest die hard survivor fan but he was

[00:38:33] if not like one of if not the only like most entertaining person on our season like the

[00:38:39] every the camera was glued to him and we had to explain a lot to him like during the during

[00:38:45] the season like oh like like or like this isn't like this is how this works and blah blah blah but like

[00:38:52] I think it would just be great because it also makes it so much harder to win the game of survivor now

[00:38:58] when you when people are going on these seasons these these newer seasons every single person's a

[00:39:04] super fan so every single thing that you do is calculated like every single like and it could be looked

[00:39:10] at like oh my god okay she's smart I mean look at how much people lie about their occupations

[00:39:15] and everything it's crazy because people are just like oh I'm in I'm in sales I'll get voted off

[00:39:21] or I'm a lawyer like can't trust me professional athlete like oh get them out so it's it just shows you

[00:39:28] like I mean it's that's what you get when you have such an incredible show go on for so long

[00:39:34] but yeah I would love to see more codies on the show because yeah he was he was TV gold he was

[00:39:41] literally like 100% perfect I miss the not strategic vote outs I miss a pure emotional

[00:39:50] vote out that maybe doesn't make the best sense but it now changes the landscape of the game so

[00:39:55] like I'm with you on that no way yeah let's let's vote let's get get rid of shot in the dark

[00:40:00] first of all because I love the yeah you're going home tonight you can't you can't do anything about

[00:40:06] I think that I love cutthroat like okay Jack respond how do you feel about Noel statement

[00:40:14] I agree with Noel I thought you like shot in the dark Jack

[00:40:21] no not really no I don't I don't mind it but I he's which uh

[00:40:25] I know that you know that I could play about a lot of the new era stuff probably more than

[00:40:31] right but I always thought that you felt like the shot in the dark is kind of like

[00:40:37] I think that the shot in the dark creates opportunities to like create has I think the shot in

[00:40:43] the dark on its own is not great but I think that the idea of the shot in the dark can lead

[00:40:49] votes a lot more complex absolutely and uh I think that adds some layers to the gameplay but I do

[00:40:55] think that people it's especially if I were to be a player is like the idea of the shot in the dark

[00:41:01] in the dark and you will be sure like when I'm like I agree with Noel it's like why do I have to

[00:41:07] worry about this like random one and six BS like um yeah like why can't I just tell somebody like

[00:41:13] it just makes it I mean again but it makes the game that much harder which I understand

[00:41:19] in a 26 day season like nothing is just handed to you nothing is easy nothing is as it seems like

[00:41:26] I get it I get it but I just hate it do you think they adapted do you think they made that adaptation

[00:41:32] because there are the super fans and the level of gameplay to kind of like have that's

[00:41:38] ooh what are you gonna do here yeah I think I think in their head they're like well this makes it

[00:41:43] harder for people because they can't just blatantly be like I'm voting you off and there's nothing

[00:41:47] you can do about it um and I do think it makes it interesting because I mean we saw a lot

[00:41:53] season Caleb used it it was incredible but like before that it did I'm spacing was he wasn't the first

[00:42:01] person that I worked for right didn't it it worked from it worked for me it worked for me it

[00:42:07] wasn't it didn't save her she's already saved yeah she was already saved so I mean it's I don't know

[00:42:13] it's tricky because it's just like I don't like it because I just hated lying like and I hated

[00:42:23] I hated just like like having to hold people's hand like before you know what I mean like not

[00:42:28] like that in that sense but like like when it was between either myself or Nekka for that third

[00:42:34] episode vote on my season like I couldn't say anything to her just because well I needed to pretend

[00:42:42] like I was going home but like I could never be like yeah like it's it's you and just risk with her

[00:42:48] using shot in the dark blah blah blah blah so it's yeah it's just a wait oh time out so if there wasn't

[00:42:54] a shot in the dark you would have told Nekka no no I love Nekka I love Nekka to death and no because

[00:43:02] it wasn't that wasn't the reason the reason why was because I knew that you know her number

[00:43:07] ones were turning on her so like I had to pretend like I was going home and like I was like I'll

[00:43:11] play my shot in the dark and like I just I hated that but Nekka is just the greatest human on

[00:43:17] his earth I love her to death I mean that was like that was the hardest vote off I think the entire

[00:43:24] season for me personally I mean that was just it was especially because it was on Mother's Day

[00:43:29] and we were just terrible human beings um but I was just like it's you or me I can't call yeah

[00:43:36] but no it's tough to what you're saying no although I think I want to like extrapolate a little

[00:43:42] on it a little bit is that it's an issue that I I think myself and a lot of other people have had

[00:43:48] is that in this new era they love to throw in these kind of like gameplay twists and turns more

[00:43:54] so than anything else and obviously there's a lot of big fans of the show people that are strategic

[00:44:00] that it's sort of like let's see how they navigate it um which I think in theory it's very

[00:44:04] interesting the problem is I think a lot of these twists that they throw in are actually pretty

[00:44:09] straightforward and that's something I'd like about the Beware Advantage to some extent is that

[00:44:15] if you give a good player of Beware Advantage I think that they can navigate it well

[00:44:20] whereas if you give a bad player of Beware Advantage it allows them to like play worse I like

[00:44:26] I like an advantage that in the hands of a great player we'll let them separate themselves from

[00:44:30] the pack positively but in the hands of someone bad it's gonna go poorly um so as far as

[00:44:37] like Beware Advantage advantages go I like those whereas the shot in the darkest sort of like

[00:44:42] you know you think you're gonna go home you just play it doesn't really take any

[00:44:46] special maneuvering it kind of reminds me also of like the hourglass where it's such a blatantly

[00:44:51] obvious thing to smash the hourglass and this is not even a argument of like whether it should

[00:44:56] or shouldn't be in the show but just for like Erica or even I think Roxroy had it in 42

[00:45:03] it's a no-brainer to smash it so it's not interesting to watch because you're like they're gonna

[00:45:07] smash it and even like the idle nullifier back in the day never liked it because

[00:45:13] you could just put it on whoever you want it wasn't you block who's playing it it's blocked

[00:45:16] it's blocking who with being played on and so if you want to vote someone out make sure that it works

[00:45:21] well you just idle nullifier them whereas say we wanted Bryce out and I wanted to save Bryce

[00:45:28] and I had an idle well if I play my little for Bryce he still goes home because you nullify it

[00:45:34] I would like a mechanism where it's like you have to play it on the person who's playing it so it

[00:45:37] requires some knowledge of like who has idols yeah or like knowledge is power like that

[00:45:44] that I think is a brilliant advantage it has just never been used correctly because it just I

[00:45:51] mean well it's funny because when James got it for our season he just I don't think he ever

[00:45:55] planned on using it he literally was like I'm not using it like I'm just

[00:46:01] really that's what I love about that one though it's like I love the fact that

[00:46:06] what I love about knowledge is power is that it's not even you using it it's the fact that you

[00:46:10] have it I feel like it changes and it did it kept people on there I mean like we were shuffling

[00:46:18] around advantages idols like nobody had their own thing like because everyone was terrified

[00:46:23] and I'm because it hasn't been brought back in the last couple seasons and I want it to be

[00:46:29] because I just want it to be played correctly once because I think it's a great advantage that keeps

[00:46:35] players on their toes that's self-explanatory it's not that hard like there's nothing to it other than

[00:46:42] like this is the and I just pray to God that like if it ever does come back into place nobody

[00:46:50] tells anybody that they have it or they don't open it in front of everybody and it's ruined it

[00:46:56] I think that the knowledge is power I had some thoughts about it but I think the biggest

[00:47:02] thing is I actually think maybe it came in the wrong era because in this era of bewired

[00:47:08] advantage especially it was in the seasons where to get the bewired advantage you had to say public

[00:47:13] phrases that the people on the other tribes knew yeah you got to have the bewired the knowledge

[00:47:18] is power everybody knew where the idols already were and so it was really an overpowered

[00:47:24] advantage that the people that had it managed to fumble spectacularly because it's obvious like

[00:47:32] hey you keep it to yourself B you know where the idols are it makes it so easy but on a season like

[00:47:39] now where the idols right now are pretty secret that I think it is more impressive to correctly

[00:47:45] play that because you really have to figure out information for yourselves yeah and it's just

[00:47:49] something to have like later down the line too like and just keep it in your pocket so I

[00:47:54] wouldn't be mad at a knowledge's power in a season where the idols are a little bit like less

[00:47:58] like 41 and 42 where they had it were the most blatant seasons of like these people

[00:48:05] because they said phrases out loud that everybody knows about yeah I agree I think if we're talking

[00:48:12] about what we what we are complaining about in the new era I feel like you know something that

[00:48:17] like just throws the game off completely is why even have tribal council I feel like in this new

[00:48:23] era it's like why can't we go on to honors this honestly I don't even like tribal council anymore

[00:48:29] I don't even like it I don't like watching it like because it's a point it's like to be

[00:48:34] s like and it's just like smooth like Jeff fast I mean Jeff at like Jeff is Jeff but like

[00:48:42] I just don't like it because it's just like does it actually change people's mind no do people

[00:48:47] know what they're doing before they walk in there yes like but I mean it's part of survivor like

[00:48:53] it's there's nothing like there's no like going around tribal but I just don't even like

[00:48:57] anymore I don't know why to your point about casting people that don't know the game as well

[00:49:02] it's kind of nice to have a banu who's gonna go to tribal and just say everything on their mind

[00:49:07] and really blow up the game um and we've talked about that sort of element of casting a lot

[00:49:11] on these survivor news and we and I love that right like which is why again back to the point

[00:49:17] that we already have made but I'm gonna say it again why I love a chaotic player like a banu right

[00:49:22] because you could have these strategic players that are got oh we're going to move this and move

[00:49:28] that then you have a banu who spills everything now it's like well how really good of a player are

[00:49:32] you like can you divert can you call a audible can you switch it around like that's like that's why I

[00:49:38] I love players like me but yeah but I like that we digress into that sort of bigger advantage

[00:49:46] conversation but now we're over on Nami and Hunter finds the beware advantage that I guess

[00:49:53] ran you know I forgot that ran and had it initially but he left with it so I got re-hidden

[00:49:59] and also Venus funny moment just tells Hunter do his face like you're a really good meat shield

[00:50:05] I'm not gonna vote you out let's have love her I believe you should tell more people should be like

[00:50:14] Venus you see a meat shield you tell them hey hey hey okay I like a what's wrong what's wrong with a

[00:50:22] meat shield no more than better I but I'm not mad at Venus right I one you know for the the

[00:50:30] meat shield I also like how Hunter's like she won't leave me alone Venus knows what you're doing right

[00:50:35] like I felt like in that moment Venus was kind of sort of trying to catch him and then act to be

[00:50:39] like all right what are we going to do and what I also love here about Queen Venus this episode is

[00:50:46] that I like how she was the person on the out she had Brandon Brandon is born and she's kind of like

[00:50:51] I feel like her gang she has the most opportunities out here now because she is like a free agent

[00:51:00] and we'll see this kumbaya tribe given 11 days it's not so kumbaya and so I'm really excited for

[00:51:09] where Venus is at in this game and especially with the merge comment but I wasn't mad at Venus pulling

[00:51:14] up on Hunter and kind of like staying around because it's like yeah what's up find it let's try to get

[00:51:19] it together but also shout out to Hunter for hunting you know was dove season and he he shot that dove

[00:51:27] and found that I don't also just the correction uh I think a couple episodes ago I said I could be a dove

[00:51:33] if it's hunting season and they were like oh you don't hunt doves Hunter has reportedly said that

[00:51:40] where he is from they do hunt doves and there is a dove season so no I love the fact that Venus

[00:51:51] is following him around too I think and to kind of agree with you on that she is like a free agent now

[00:51:58] and so she's like kind of using I I've loved her since the beginning um just because of like people

[00:52:06] looking at her like they like you're pretty I don't want you in this game I think that's

[00:52:11] you know such old news I think it's dumb um and you know who she reminds me of she reminds me of just

[00:52:19] she looks like Justine from my season and oh my god I'm up swan I love Justine an obsessor there

[00:52:28] and just I could I when I found out Justine was on my tribe I literally thought to myself I have to

[00:52:34] wake up to that every day while I'm gonna look like actual actual actual hell but no I think they look

[00:52:41] like twins so immediately I was like okay I love Venus

[00:52:45] yeah and then we head over to the immediately challenge um where it's pretty straightforward

[00:52:54] it's we have that big wooden obstacle course where each tribe member has to retrieve a key from

[00:52:59] three stations uh and then they unlock this bag of sandbags with this pole and then they use

[00:53:05] the sandbags and a slingshot to knock down targets um before we coming I thought I was so I

[00:53:13] was wearing my Jeff Probe shirt last night at the Johnny Fairplace watch party uh and Jeff

[00:53:19] Probe was out in full form last night I thought I was funny when he was like so second place gets

[00:53:24] immunity and a smaller set of big goods and then third place otherwise known as and I'm

[00:53:29] it was like the losers and he said oh I thought you were gonna say Yondu and I I thought that

[00:53:35] was so funny good I would I would slap them now I'm just

[00:53:41] happy Jeffree was out okay yeah he did say he was gonna be harder this season but I would that

[00:53:48] was that was a lot yeah um I love love the snarky Jeff um and then yes so they all get through

[00:53:56] the structure pretty similar timing Q does get caught up on the untangling of the sandbags

[00:54:04] which allows Nami to continue their dominance as they knock down all of the targets pretty quickly

[00:54:10] but Yondu is able to come back and we get this epic slow-mo um shot of them stealing the deal

[00:54:21] which I thought was a little bit much but it wasn't good for I suppose and so it was me

[00:54:25] it's a meal to you challenge I thought it was me Jack I thought like because I was like oh

[00:54:32] and but I really thought that I was what like I thought my body just made I'm not even lying like

[00:54:38] cuz I was like oh my god I want this to happen uh I didn't even realize that it was slow-mo until

[00:54:42] after I like rewatched episode I was like oh you thought you just were so into it that it was

[00:54:48] slow-mo time Josh you know sometimes it's take a little treat uh uh before

[00:54:55] she watched the fiber sometimes you feel like you got superpowers uh that was hilarious because

[00:55:02] like everyone that I was watching with it was silence and Mark goes what if they miss

[00:55:11] no well that's what I thought was going to happen why are they doing them like that

[00:55:18] I don't think they could have done it I thought I thought it was edited I thought it was

[00:55:22] edited great I mean like the slow-mo the dramatic and like it was it was great it was like a movie scene

[00:55:28] like on a reality television show so give them that dramatic finish that was that was great

[00:55:34] I kind of wish that they did miss it would have been sort of funny uh but you would have been so

[00:55:39] funny I just thought it was hilarious with Mark being like what if they miss I'm like shot up

[00:55:44] if they did miss though who do you think would have went home can see I reminds me that mark moment

[00:55:54] reminds me of uh survivor 41 I was watching the third episode in Chicago with like Zander and

[00:56:04] Vouchet and Sarah Wilson and you know Vouchet was hosting it so I was thinking all right Vouchet's

[00:56:12] probably gonna have a pretty good episode uh in low and behold I think the first Vouchet vote comes

[00:56:19] at tribal and it's a very small room there's probably 20 people there I'm like yeah right like

[00:56:25] I was like oh he's totally going like like so I remember Sarah Wilson turned to me and she was like

[00:56:33] and then he got put it out and I was like oh damn I don't think he cared but I was like oh not my

[00:56:44] best not my best moment um but uh so yoni finally wins see he goes to another first tribal council

[00:56:53] and nami now also gets to choose three people for a journey all the big dogs end up going we have hunter

[00:57:00] we have Tim and we have Q heading to this journey Bryce do you have a thought

[00:57:10] well I love the bro alliance but again and I'd love to see them all but my thing was like

[00:57:17] see y'all to meet shields like because like in my mind I'm like Tiffany's a beast

[00:57:23] uh in my mind I'm like seven's been killing it in my mind I'm like Charlie been doing his thing

[00:57:30] like I just felt like but sometimes a mean shield is just like I think a visible thing

[00:57:36] I mean it is getting to survivor yeah if this I mean okay but I don't know

[00:57:46] already gone on journey as that can't go on another I don't know it's for people

[00:57:50] no but I'm just what I was critiquing again because you know I just loved to critique Q

[00:57:55] uh with Q being like we the big three dogs we the big we the top three I'm like this

[00:57:59] aint drake this aint j-cold is a uh kindrick like uh I'm not sure but I uh I love the alliance

[00:58:07] I like I love it uh in my opinion you know because I always going to speak on Q I felt like he was

[00:58:13] a bit I was nervous at how vocal he was right cuz I was like how is everyone else going to

[00:58:20] perceive this but I wasn't mad at the alliance that they made uh not like I feel like we haven't

[00:58:27] seen that in the new era we haven't seen like a like kind of like a journey alliance really come

[00:58:35] together well not that like kind of like the neat shields coming together as one like you know what

[00:58:42] I mean like that's a big that's a big me yeah like I don't know like all the big dogs coming together

[00:58:50] bottom Danny and Carolyn but this one every one yeah yeah um yeah one of these when the reason

[00:59:00] it was ended up being all the big dogs maybe hunter since his tribe one was kind of like

[00:59:05] these are maybe the people I want to go with although I think they did ask um maybe Siga was

[00:59:10] if they were like Siga you have any volunteers can was like me yeah so a temple I want to go

[00:59:16] I'd be like you're going home right maybe he saw Q in hunter and it was kind of like

[00:59:22] those I could rock with those guys like let me so maybe just maybe it wasn't

[00:59:26] intentionally like a meet shield thing but more so like just people going on the journey that

[00:59:30] thought they'd get along so they were like let me jump at this opportunity um for me it was the people

[00:59:36] that they were bringing now don't get me wrong I love hunter I love Q I love tomb but honestly

[00:59:42] the alliance that I want to happen is Tiffany Maria and Taven like I was like oh please make

[00:59:48] this happen like that for me I was like just loving the pieces that they were bringing together that

[00:59:55] for me was I agree with you that Q was a little bit vocal but it was good of him to you now

[01:00:01] knows Tim's closest ally and he knows Hunter's closest ally which even if the alliances and hold

[01:00:07] that's a very valuable information to have going into emerge but for this journey we have

[01:00:13] something that we haven't really seen before it is just like whatever is the biggest survivor fan

[01:00:18] get it get in here and test your knowledge and the other two you can just go home um and then we see

[01:00:23] you know the challenge hunter has a chronological order 20 logos I love hunter though uh when

[01:00:30] Tim was like my vote is more important uh hey are you a big survivor fan hunter was like oh yeah

[01:00:39] yeah I know a little bit meanwhile he's got the whole obstacle course in his basement and everything so

[01:00:46] I just thought that was a little funny yeah what is we think about this um this journey challenge

[01:00:53] I liked it I like it but I would have I would have aptly failed I would have I would have just walk

[01:00:58] away honestly I don't even know what my logo looks like I don't even at this point like if it doesn't

[01:01:05] have the number on it I don't think I could point it out well that uh I think it would have

[01:01:10] the four years would have the number on it and then the rest of them I think have the season name

[01:01:14] okay okay okay I did not like it but I would have been able to do it really easily

[01:01:20] oh okay really not to tear my own horn but okay Jelani I would have been terrible

[01:01:27] yeah I don't have the challenges in my basement but I could name the logos um I just thought it was

[01:01:33] sort of like I think they loved maybe that moment with Jake last season being like okay Denise

[01:01:39] Gabor whatever and then they were like let's we need another moment of like a fan really shining

[01:01:46] but it's like watching someone order seasons like even watching the challenge we can't even see

[01:01:51] the really the logos like they just flashed the 20 logos on screen I'm like I'm not pausing

[01:01:55] not to do this like um yeah I hope they could have been like a better way to kind of see see I'm

[01:02:02] a disagree with you all I love it there are no well we've been at parties where a family will come

[01:02:08] up to us and say your birthday what hospital you were born in like you don't I mean like so there

[01:02:14] are fans out there that know it yeah what I loved about it was I feel like uh hunts are illuminated

[01:02:22] and here we go again episode five and I'm bringing up James Jones's name James Jones always says

[01:02:28] that there is a difference in the the new fans of survivor that are like COVID fans as opposed to

[01:02:35] fans that wash it weak by weak like if you binge an if you binge a season it's different than

[01:02:40] washing it weak by week and having that anticipation it takes something away but I think what it

[01:02:44] illuminated with Hunter what she said that like essentially his buddy got him into survivor and oh

[01:02:51] do we know what is the first season of survivor but he watched that was on Netflix season 28

[01:03:01] that that is a fact that is confirmed go to his buddy got him into it during college

[01:03:07] which in whatever and my and Hunter's about as old as I am so college was we were in cold

[01:03:13] Hunter he's like 27 right okay great cova was four years ago

[01:03:26] anyway it's confirmed because I tweeted I said hunter better get season 28 right and he

[01:03:33] refweeted and said it's the first season I watched okay oh okay it's not because this 28 is

[01:03:39] cousin me okay so y'all know I love that sorry I was just wondering in the timeline of if you

[01:03:45] watch on Netflix but 28 great seasons start with in general and okay it was one of the only survivors

[01:03:51] to go number one on Netflix as well okay just if we if we uh two in our horn but I just think

[01:03:58] it illuminates this new era of fan where it's like they just discovered it and then Hulu or

[01:04:06] Paramount Plus like the greatest episode so it's like actually they may not know how and why the order

[01:04:14] is so maybe I do agree with y'all that I do like it but maybe it just should have been something else

[01:04:19] to it like Matt something with the season or I even saw someone say like maybe they need to order

[01:04:25] the winners because then you might be reflecting on like how did they play the game

[01:04:29] out of an call yeah I feel like that's too easy I mean I just associate

[01:04:35] like have like a picture of their faces like in or boo to each season don't ask a challenge

[01:04:41] although logo is it's probably the easiest I feel like like what I would say it's the hardest

[01:04:47] I could do it like you your name with season I can tell you what season it was like I don't

[01:04:52] think that's that hard so then obviously you're gonna be able to order that but um not I'm not

[01:04:57] saying everyone can do that the thing is the complaint that I have that I've seen the sentiment online

[01:05:03] is that I think these challenges should test your abilities as like a survivor player or in

[01:05:09] challenges right like a good puzzle or a good physical competition or social competition

[01:05:14] you could be a phenomenal survivor player and not know the order of the seasons yeah but now

[01:05:19] you're getting punished because you haven't it's sort of like self-aggrandizing of survivor to be

[01:05:24] like if you want to win you gotta watch your survivor like our show is cool no see I'm gonna disagree

[01:05:29] with you Jack because it's like yeah I want you to test my social game I want you to test my physical

[01:05:34] game I want you to test my knowledge of survivor I want you to test a lot of these things some of them

[01:05:39] I'm going to be great at others I'm not going to be great at and I don't want everyone to ace

[01:05:44] and get it so I I agree that not everyone's gonna be good at everything but that's why I'm saying

[01:05:50] knowing the order of survivor seasons is not a skill that should at all be necessary to win the game

[01:05:58] right yeah people might be good at puzzles and not good at like running and that's fine

[01:06:04] that you use your strengths and weaknesses or vice versa but it's just sort of weird to be like

[01:06:09] like to go on a show and you might be a great social player great strategic player great physical

[01:06:15] player and they're like oh but you don't know the order of our seasons you lose your vote like you

[01:06:21] might go home because of that it's just again I think I like this dance what's up you got to adapt

[01:06:28] but you can't adapt you're just talking about like figure that out I mean yeah and if you knew

[01:06:33] you would have got the advantage I feel like I like things like that because I want to weaken some

[01:06:38] of the stronger players that's what gives like the game its level ability because say someone

[01:06:44] like a hunter was on the chopping block he lost it now someone like a Venus could I just like

[01:06:49] the possibility so I don't want it to be something that everyone could be great at I think it would

[01:06:54] be really cool that they could do in a journey like instead of just sending two people home is like

[01:07:00] doing something like a big brother challenge where they're like Baha like say if there's like

[01:07:05] bamboo things and like they couldn't see each other and then they had to like and then it was

[01:07:11] like a survivor trivia of like five questions and they don't know if they got their answers right or

[01:07:17] wrong and the only time that they're gonna know is like when they have to go back to camp and they

[01:07:21] have to check tree mail and see if they got the advantage I think that would be like something really

[01:07:25] cool because because then like then the people don't know who got who has it and

[01:07:33] and something that like that home Q and 10 two minutes into the journey yeah it like it's like

[01:07:40] why bring them along you know what I mean like I told you have the winning just have the winning

[01:07:44] per tribe that won only send one person to the journey that would that'd kind of be cool I don't

[01:07:49] know these journeys have been so hard but I mean I don't think I think what are we over three

[01:07:57] like I'm people I don't think anybody won anything well Maria and seven won extra vote

[01:08:02] oh yeah yeah okay but uh hunter Ben and Banu or whoever the who's the third person was it

[01:08:11] Banu Ben and who was the third person they couldn't put the box together

[01:08:18] or maybe it was just not new in bed yeah yeah hunter even the savvy challenge that they

[01:08:24] failed that um yeah the challenge I know these have been hard these have been hard this season

[01:08:30] yeah and bris I don't mean to say I want the challenges to be easier I just think that

[01:08:34] it should be something that is a little bit more like or a little bit less like

[01:08:40] when you you know it or you don't like it's just survive like having knowledge of the show

[01:08:45] should not determine you being a better or worse player necessarily but I think of the sense of

[01:08:51] like the blame facts of like this was season didada what I will say is maybe this is good for the show

[01:08:58] down the line because future players might be like oh I need to go back and study up and like

[01:09:02] and watch more survivor so maybe that makes better gameplay down the line I don't know but um

[01:09:09] as someone who I think would have won this challenge I still don't think it's a great battle

[01:09:14] okay Jay okay because I'm not we have no well here so I'm not going to see here

[01:09:22] because I could because I would say then why don't you have that same sentiment about the last

[01:09:27] week's journey of the blocks where no one got the blocks and you should know how to do a puzzle

[01:09:34] going with survivor you don't need to know like no no they're chronological order of all the

[01:09:40] seasons still go play survivor but to do what you should be able to do a puzzle okay okay

[01:09:47] anyway we're disagreeing a lot this week I made listen I'm very ashamed

[01:09:56] because it's the same thing though right because it's like okay well if you can't want to show

[01:10:00] and you couldn't even get a puzzle then yeah that's bad well but a puzzle's a puzzle a puzzle could

[01:10:06] be hard but you you come in knowing like you're you might have to do a puzzle but to be like all right

[01:10:11] name the third boot of every season it's like why would I try but there are some soup there are

[01:10:18] some fans that know that of course but I don't think I'm so that's what I'm saying though

[01:10:22] doctrine would like we doctrine would have won this a great survivor player that was someone who

[01:10:27] you know might be really good at puzzles might be really physical might be good at social

[01:10:31] competition or strategy which a puzzle or a savvy or a sweat challenge kind of all fall under

[01:10:36] but to a great survivor player doesn't have to know the order of the season but it's a journey

[01:10:42] it's an advantage like it's not like you know it's it's a blessing it's not something that is

[01:10:48] necessarily needs to give it to you you I don't I don't want it to be easier I just want the challenge

[01:10:53] to be different or like no else and I actually think you get all three of them there and then maybe

[01:10:58] say like who wants survivor vanity walk to and they off like hold up an answer and then whoever gets

[01:11:05] the most right wins and then it's like a little bit more fun and it's like trivia and it's like

[01:11:10] blade it like order the seasons like I mean listen I like it all I like to have that as an option

[01:11:18] and different things you just never know what you're going to get when you go on the journey

[01:11:21] which is why it's like the journey is a gift and a curse it's true and at least they gave them

[01:11:26] like a heads up like the biggest fan but again I also don't like it small but I don't like that we

[01:11:31] lose Tim and Q two minutes into this journey like give them something to do yeah they got a

[01:11:37] rod to boat that's a terrible boat anyways Hunter loses his vote um granted

[01:11:50] he's already losing his vote because of the underwear advantage he has I know how does that work

[01:11:56] not even have big of a deal although I guess he'll get his vote back when he gets the

[01:12:00] the wear advantage if he finds the idol but does he still doesn't have a but he doesn't have a

[01:12:05] vote regardless yeah but that's kind of in a way like makes it a little less stressful he's like well

[01:12:10] I'm not voting either way yeah so it's like I don't need to find this right now this is really small um

[01:12:17] back to what Hunter found to be wear advantage I think he does say that if they don't go to

[01:12:22] tribal before the merge they will still have a chance to get their idol I actually hate that

[01:12:28] I think this whole thing about you have to lose to find your be wear advantage I think that

[01:12:34] we talked about in the past creates this really fun idea of like should I throw this challenge

[01:12:39] so that I could go find my idol wait so how is it gonna work if so safe they went out like how do they get

[01:12:47] when they merge you at the moon before the merger or maybe they merge and then they's re-hided for them

[01:12:53] okay so like next week when they get the note saying like you're now or drop your buffs he can

[01:12:58] go over to the thing and get the clue yeah I mean obviously there might be on a different beach but

[01:13:03] I'm sure it's a tag or something and I might be like you survived all the way to the merge but

[01:13:08] you still have a chance to find your idol like go to the beach and dig up near this trip like you know

[01:13:12] yeah and I think I wish they had to grapple with the fact that's like should we lose a challenge

[01:13:17] so I can find this but instead it's like there's no punishment for not losing yeah just why it's

[01:13:22] also like I think the easiest be wear advantage that they've had um like I've said it's like you don't

[01:13:28] even have to worry about until you lose and then when you lose it never will be since you have less

[01:13:32] time it's gonna be easier to find it um but anyways that's kind of neither here nor there but I

[01:13:38] thought that was sort of annoying um so now we're back at SEGA and are going to their first tribal

[01:13:46] and they sort of like take a moment to all kind of appreciate the time that had together 11 days

[01:13:51] very kumbaya and Jen quickly slips off and finds a her idol measuring things with the machete um

[01:14:01] again thought that was sort of a boring like journey for her to like I don't need to watch Bob the

[01:14:07] builder like measuring things with uh okay now I'm gonna have to interject say your advice

[01:14:15] what we're not doing okay because listen we've seen Jim over here but first of all that's hard

[01:14:25] she had to wait until everybody was like I like doing it in front of everybody that's nothing

[01:14:31] to do with Jim this is me saying like her running around with a machete measuring things is not

[01:14:37] that exciting I don't know when they were reading it on the TV I was confused so like

[01:14:41] I found something island I'd be like what do I have to do I would have to do

[01:14:52] I was terrible about like I would have done anything I would have been like what

[01:14:57] I wouldn't have liked to production can you tell me how to do this like

[01:15:01] can you read this again like no funny if someone didn't know what like the diameter of the perimeter

[01:15:09] was kind of like a two jeans with sand he's like what is a pace like you know she had a clue

[01:15:15] it was like it's 10 paces from this she's like well how I don't know what a pace is

[01:15:20] um yeah I don't know I would have been screwed so like I mean I it hats off to her for knowing

[01:15:26] knowing it getting it great job because I personally wouldn't be able to do it I would have

[01:15:31] to print someone in be like what the hell does this mean she did a great job funny this wasn't a

[01:15:36] big it was it was more like the way that it was hidden it was not that fun to watch anybody have to

[01:15:43] go be like pull out the head would be like okay it's like what if she got caught like

[01:15:49] trouble you doing nothing I'm just like you know waving the machete around

[01:15:54] I'm just curious how the perimeter of our boat and machete legs I was just wondering yeah

[01:15:59] just seeing like how many people could fit in the boat also this is tough for Jen because

[01:16:05] she did a great job of finding it but there might be an argument in my mind that the two hours she

[01:16:11] spent looking for it would have been better spent strategizing and not having her boat

[01:16:15] I even wonder because we see how things unfold and we see how Ben is saying that like he can

[01:16:21] visibly see her talking to other people and doing all this other stuff I almost wonder if her getting

[01:16:26] that idle find to get if it put a super pack on her that made her a little bit more confident

[01:16:34] and like steering this boat instead of really like trying to survive this boat yeah yeah I agree

[01:16:44] because yeah I mean we're just gonna target on our own back and we see Ben and Tim you know

[01:16:51] are on to her as someone who's not being straightforward with them I also thought and I don't know if

[01:16:56] this was before tribal or earlier in the episode where Jen I think was earlier when Tim was sort of

[01:17:02] on a jam and was sort of pressing her a little bit and she'll press back and she's like now I got

[01:17:08] the target on Tim so now it's either going to be Tim or it's going to be me and she was like

[01:17:12] excited about it I was like miss miss ma'am like you don't like the target doesn't it doesn't have

[01:17:17] to be a you or them you could just hang out and let the target be on other people it doesn't have

[01:17:22] to be a battle here I also felt like when Tim pressed her right I wonder if Tim was basically being like

[01:17:31] what's up we working together like you know what I mean like I feel like of course she took it the

[01:17:36] way that she took it because her back is against the wall but I just wonder if what if she would have

[01:17:40] revealed that to him what that would have helped I also would have liked to see a little bit more

[01:17:46] of how Tim came to that conclusion because it makes me think there are more conversations around

[01:17:52] gym like people knowing that it's gym that they just edited out for us not to see it to make it a

[01:17:57] more thrilling episode because he kind of came to gym like yeah we know I think she's as good

[01:18:04] of a liar as she thought she was I want to know why he said that to her what was this especially like

[01:18:13] why right I was with so and I watched last night's episode with Charlie last night and then like

[01:18:20] afterwards we did like a Q&A and I literally on the stage asked like in front of all the fans I'm

[01:18:24] like did you know that she had an idol he was like I can't answer this question because of like

[01:18:30] I was just like I want to know like what's it talked about because why how did he just randomly come

[01:18:37] like it was they didn't even talk like and I'm hoping that like they could maybe touch on it a little

[01:18:43] bit next episode of like why this came to a conclusion of because I wanted to

[01:18:48] if they're shedding and they were like she's looking for something like right like that's what I

[01:18:53] want to like why or I want to know if they knew that she went home with an idol too I would love

[01:19:00] to know that like but they always keep us on our toes they do and like I mentioned earlier when it comes

[01:19:08] to the strategic discussions before travel here it becomes this thing of like well there could be

[01:19:15] be wear out advantage out there like we need to split between Tim and Charles or Tim and Ben

[01:19:21] and people are most wary of Tim having something that's true now Ben becomes the target but the

[01:19:29] swing vote Charlie is like well I don't want to do Ben Ben's my ally and that's why it now falls

[01:19:36] onto gem and she sort of dug her own grave with this move whereas I like I said earlier I think if

[01:19:42] she doesn't do this whole for wear advantage fiasco I think people pretty confidently put their

[01:19:46] votes on Tim but promise to Charlie he's able to steer he's I don't want to lose Ben

[01:19:54] so how do I go to Maria and make this happen in a way that I'm not pushing too far too hard

[01:20:00] to keep that this is where I worry for dr Maria because you know dr Maria it's like she's one of my

[01:20:05] winter picks and clearly we see a lot where it is Charlie and dr Maria trying to figure out do we go

[01:20:12] with Liz and gem or do we go with Tim and Ben and we see dr Maria saying like I trust gem and Liz

[01:20:20] and like you know we have the the ladies alliance and this where it worries me because we see where

[01:20:27] dr Maria went and I feel like did you just lose a number like I don't know just worries me because

[01:20:35] well I mean you say no but I just feel like I even if you can't trust gem it's a numbers game

[01:20:44] and I would have rather dr Maria like one of the boys go to keep dr Maria specifically stronger

[01:20:51] in my pay because I totally get what you're coming from because as the swing votes Charlie obviously

[01:20:57] was the one who took the reins a little bit more here yeah okay is close ally Ben I think Maria was

[01:21:04] actually more cool with it than maybe the edit showed because we know Maria has a very solid

[01:21:10] relationship with Tim at least in the sense that Tim is now is calling her his number one

[01:21:15] I'm alone okay so I still think there's so many paths forward for Maria to work with him to

[01:21:21] write Ben by extension obviously to work with Charlie so even if she's not that close with Ben

[01:21:28] I think she's very close with Tim very close with Charlie and if they feel like Ben is someone

[01:21:33] that they could use as a number I actually think that's maybe better for Maria's game than to

[01:21:38] you know sort of overshadow Charlie take out someone that would work with Charlie and then have

[01:21:43] this whole split see the see the split of like because I even think Mariah here gets left out

[01:21:49] of the vote but I think they can pull her back in pretty easily um I still think Charlie wants to

[01:21:54] work with Mariah I still think Maria wants to work with Mariah I still think Ben would be game so

[01:21:58] I think for Maria this is actually gonna of course having gem is not bad but we've seen gem is

[01:22:04] not that trustworthy just in the sense that she's gonna run around and like cause a little bit of chaos

[01:22:09] but blowing through a merge see good could still be really strong here uh and I think that's a lot

[01:22:15] of it is that Maria was flexible here and realized that she'd still have a lot of social avenues

[01:22:21] taking out Jeff did Maria have to use her extra vote this no she didn't have to and I was I'm glad

[01:22:29] you brought this up because this was a really interesting conversation that I wanted to have with

[01:22:33] you guys some people are very critical of her wasting it I actually think it was really really

[01:22:38] good of her to use it um was it pa did anybody know that she had it well I'm not sure if did

[01:22:47] she tell them I think I think like maybe at least Charlie knew okay and I I reckon that's some

[01:22:54] planning took place so I think Ben informed him that he didn't have a vote right and so yeah

[01:23:00] I think that if you if so we see that Maria actually yeah Maria actually also when she votes

[01:23:08] writes and spells gem two different ways I think Maria might hear actually be like you know what Ben

[01:23:15] I'm gonna cast one of my votes as if it was you to give you some cover to keep your lie intact

[01:23:21] okay thank you Ben maybe that's like um all like theory or like uh I know but that's probably right

[01:23:29] I think that's might be what happened and again I think that's a testament to Maria um being flexible

[01:23:35] taking the you know taking some of the responsibility on her and making a compromise but if I'm

[01:23:39] someone like a Ben here I'm gonna be like Maria you are the best like I will work with you um

[01:23:45] so again yeah that's a great point with like her social game too it's like she's like listen I have

[01:23:50] your back on this so I have mine okay and people know about her extra vote and I think a lot of

[01:23:56] times especially in the new era we see people trying to hold on to these things for like the perfect

[01:24:01] moment right but I think her using it here is like you're gonna solidify that you're on the right

[01:24:06] side of the vote um you're gonna give yourself some options with how you want to kind of frame the

[01:24:12] and people know about her extra vote maybe it's better just get rid of that before the merge

[01:24:17] and it's not like an added factor to why people might want to take you out now she's back to square

[01:24:21] one in terms of advantages but she's in a great social position so I really think despite the

[01:24:27] fact that Maria like compromised on voting out um Gem I really really think this was a really

[01:24:32] good episode for her yeah I'm uh I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I agree with you do we give credit to Maria or

[01:24:39] Carla or Charlie for this so I think Charlie I think Charlie was the player of the episode yeah yeah

[01:24:49] but I think Maria I can really respect her being like okay Michael Sally's coming to me with this

[01:24:53] plan what's the best way that I can make it work and I think she's really and I agree I agree

[01:25:01] and and like going forward and again this this is the type of gain move that is critical in the

[01:25:08] new era because it goes undetected and this is something that you can like bring up like

[01:25:14] way down the line right and it does and you're like you don't look like as a tribe as a whole

[01:25:20] right now like I don't think everyone's looking at Maria like oh my god she's some huge strategic

[01:25:25] game players so I think it was yeah I think that's a very good point yeah that's a very good point

[01:25:33] I think Seiga could have some shades of re-bell last season where you know Yannis kind of like

[01:25:39] Lulu they get decimated Nami is sort of like um bello hello where they're winning a lot but they

[01:25:46] have fractures but now I really think that this this group of remaining Seiga could stay pretty tight

[01:25:52] like I don't think they're gonna jump to flip on each other going into the merge and I think this

[01:25:56] group of Seiga is gonna for the most part stay intact pretty far like at least for a few votes

[01:26:02] and have a lot of options to make things happen yeah they're probably the the tightest unit

[01:26:09] out of all of them so yeah it's gonna be very interesting to see

[01:26:14] and who sticks with who right and especially but there's meet shield alliance emerging

[01:26:19] it will be so interesting to see how things develop uh but again shout out to Jack because I was

[01:26:28] ready to be yelling at dr. Maria like what is you doing why would you give your power away but

[01:26:33] shout out to the baby boy jackery for making me see that dr. Maria is still in a good place

[01:26:39] yeah I do and also I don't care what nobody says shout out to team sneaky sneaky shout out to jam

[01:26:48] um she went home but you know she probably didn't hard game right and I always say in order to win

[01:26:55] survivor you have to play to win but when you play to win you might go home so yeah

[01:27:01] I mean so it was definitely one of the most entertaining ones of the season so far and that's

[01:27:06] absolutely all part two jam so uh I know I was critical some of the moves but as far as television

[01:27:13] goes she made she brought some good TV in a great episode and we have the merge it looks like

[01:27:18] next episode so hopefully the season continues to sort of um roll on forward it begins a momentum

[01:27:25] is there 12 people left 13 13 people so that's probably another great

[01:27:34] so it's going to be the same thing so like one person's gonna go home and then they're

[01:27:40] gonna merge and then they're they must be the the next person that goes home doesn't make the jury

[01:27:46] yeah I think next we'll probably be mergeatory and then maybe they'll do that double like they

[01:27:52] split up into two groups again oh yeah I don't like how someone makes the merge but they don't

[01:27:59] make the jury I don't like it yeah no I think that's just be I mean I mean it's happened to so many

[01:28:08] people but like it happened to Dwight like I just remember like talking about it with him all day

[01:28:14] I'm like there's no way there's no way and he was like it's gonna happen he was like someone's

[01:28:18] going to go home that's I'm like no and then it happened to him and it was just like I hated it is

[01:28:23] because yeah he's part of the merge he's on the fricka jury right yeah because then you merge

[01:28:29] like twist and turns in the new era really not a fan I don't think it's like merge merge

[01:28:35] yeah you're gonna need a feast like just call it and some of the best votes are right at the merge

[01:28:43] where there's like 11 12 13 people left I mean it could just like Kage on jumps to mind when they

[01:28:50] send Sarah home one of the best episodes of Survivor Ever in my opinion second chance is jumps to

[01:28:56] mind with Kelly wet worth plays her idol and idol Savage out I mean these are all with more numbers

[01:29:02] available to to vote together or to vote out it just makes the dynamics so much more interesting but

[01:29:07] survivor for some reason the in the new era takes these big numbers and tries to break them up

[01:29:11] into smaller groups which is kind of limits what you can do yeah and I don't like I don't like how

[01:29:15] half the group is safe yeah yeah it's just it's like I get it like the first five seasons they've

[01:29:23] done it it was great all right let's try something new a little bit because now everybody's expecting

[01:29:28] it you know what I mean like definitely yeah well regardless we're still gonna be tuning in

[01:29:36] as seeing what merge that's who he gives this is a great episode no well thank you so much but take

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