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[00:01:29] Survivor News Edition covering Survivor Season 46 Episode 13 The Last Shred.

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[00:02:19] 46.

[00:02:21] The Baby Boys have returned home from our epic epic epic epic epic Bryce and

[00:02:30] Win Present Season 46 tour from New York.

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[00:02:43] cocoon, a cocoon and just take it all in.

[00:02:48] The vibes, so immaculate.

[00:02:51] I just want to give a huge shout out to one of our OG Purple Pants Posse member

[00:02:57] Gina who pulled up and when I say I love meeting the Posse, I just love meeting

[00:03:04] the Posse and just meeting Gina who is a green thumb planter like myself.

[00:03:12] It just is so special.

[00:03:14] There were so many people, so many reality stars, so many you know I don't

[00:03:20] like the word fans, so many friends just in New York City.

[00:03:25] It was so crazy.

[00:03:26] I am really excited this week to talk the finale of Season 46 with the Baby

[00:03:33] Boy Jack Atkins from The Circle Season 2 when DZ Holland the winner of Ghost

[00:03:39] Island and who is currently on Amazon Prime.

[00:03:42] The Goat, we are talking all things episode 13 and the season finale of

[00:03:49] Season 46 of Survivor.

[00:03:51] We talking people helping each other.

[00:03:53] We talking who's the winner.

[00:03:55] We're talking the jury votes.

[00:03:56] It's so much to get into.

[00:03:58] So listen, let's get into this week's Survivor News.

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[00:04:30] And we are back this week with your Survivor News covering Season 46, the

[00:04:36] season finale episode 12.

[00:04:38] We are so excited to be here.

[00:04:39] We're back joined by the man, the myth, the legend Jack Atkins.

[00:04:43] How are you?

[00:04:45] Doing what a week?

[00:04:48] I mean, it was a wild finale and you know, I'm ready to get into it because

[00:04:54] I got a lot of thoughts, right?

[00:04:56] And I don't know how they're going to how they're going to come out, but

[00:05:01] I might I might be throwing.

[00:05:02] I don't know.

[00:05:03] I don't know.

[00:05:04] So I'm excited to talk about them.

[00:05:06] Yes, it's dying to hear your thoughts.

[00:05:09] Of course, we have contestant on Season one of Amazon Prime, the gold

[00:05:15] winner of Ghost Island, Wendy Z back from New York.

[00:05:17] How are you?

[00:05:19] I am good.

[00:05:20] It's good to be here.

[00:05:22] Yes.

[00:05:22] How anything you want to say about the BWP finale in New York?

[00:05:32] I'd say we had a crazy awesome week.

[00:05:35] Things were very successful.

[00:05:36] Lots of fans came out.

[00:05:37] Lots of reality came out.

[00:05:39] The venues.

[00:05:40] Uh, it was great to see people from across the world and connect

[00:05:44] with people, so great, great week.

[00:05:48] Yes, it definitely was amazing.

[00:05:50] Shout out to everyone that came all the survivors, Quebec, Australia,

[00:05:55] Brazil, the circle squid game.

[00:06:00] So many people.

[00:06:00] It was a game.

[00:06:02] Buddy games.

[00:06:06] Shows that haven't even been created.

[00:06:07] The winners were there.

[00:06:09] Uh, with so many people in the building.

[00:06:11] Uh, but we have so much to get to.

[00:06:13] Uh, so I think we need to jump right into this episode, Jack.

[00:06:17] Yeah, I, I don't know.

[00:06:22] In the words of, uh, one of the best to never win Liz Willcox.

[00:06:28] I'm pissed.

[00:06:30] Uh, I, I, I'm going to say it.

[00:06:32] I, you guys, if you've been listening, you know, I'm a man.

[00:06:37] You know, I'm team Charlie and look, the game went played out, played out.

[00:06:45] And I, you know, I think in it, here's the Kenzie played a great game.

[00:06:49] So it hurts me that my frustration about other things, it feels like,

[00:06:56] cause I got nothing against Kenzie.

[00:06:57] You know, she deserved a win.

[00:06:59] Uh, but I, I am frustrated.

[00:07:01] I have frustrations towards Maria.

[00:07:04] Uh, I have some frustrations towards Liz.

[00:07:09] Uh, and I'm overall just frustrated that my guy, Charlie, I feel like he was now.

[00:07:16] I agree with the sentiment that the jury always, you know, picks the winner

[00:07:20] and it's, it's in the, in the context, it's like, it's the correct choice.

[00:07:23] Right.

[00:07:24] But ultimately I think maybe sometimes the jury just has some

[00:07:27] people that are thinking straight.

[00:07:29] So, um, that's kind of where my head's at.

[00:07:32] Not to say that some of the people that voted for Kenzie weren't thinking straight.

[00:07:36] I could, I totally see why, why Tiffany voted for Kenzie.

[00:07:38] I see why Venus voted for Kenzie, but to me, ultimately, I don't understand

[00:07:44] how Maria does not vote for Charlie to win, which would have tied it in a

[00:07:49] presumably Ben would have voted for him to win.

[00:07:51] So what do you guys think?

[00:07:54] People aren't allowed to change their minds.

[00:07:57] At what point though?

[00:07:58] Like in Survivor?

[00:07:59] No.

[00:08:00] No.

[00:08:02] The votes are already passed.

[00:08:03] We're presented with an argument that, uh, that speaks to them.

[00:08:07] They're not allowed to change their mind.

[00:08:09] But a speech to the jury, isn't that intended to plead your case to sway votes?

[00:08:15] But then to say that you are or should we just not have speeches and

[00:08:21] just vote without them seeing anything?

[00:08:23] But here's the thing I can respect that sometimes jurors can be bitter.

[00:08:28] Right?

[00:08:28] That's part of the game.

[00:08:29] It's a social game, but for all intents and purposes that we know, Charlie

[00:08:33] played a great, so people like Charlie and Maria's justification as to why

[00:08:38] she voted for Kenzie, she saw the fire in Kenzie's eyes.

[00:08:41] I mean, it took them like an hour to make fire.

[00:08:44] So it's a, how did that?

[00:08:45] Basically my thing is Maria played a great game up until the end where

[00:08:49] she stumbled a little bit, but she played that game with Charlie.

[00:08:52] And so for me, when you see your number one ally who played a

[00:08:56] game very similar to you, you should be championing their game because that

[00:09:01] reflects better on your game.

[00:09:02] Right?

[00:09:03] Like Wendell, if you went out, I know you would have been riding for Dom

[00:09:06] cause you guys played the game together and you were getting some very

[00:09:08] similar.

[00:09:09] So it's to me, it doesn't make any, especially when Charlie didn't even

[00:09:13] take a shot at her until after she betrayed him.

[00:09:15] How do you, and you're telling people that like Charlie is like,

[00:09:18] is going to be like an uncle to your kids.

[00:09:22] And then he doesn't even switch up all you, how do you, how do you

[00:09:24] not fall for it?

[00:09:25] It doesn't make any sense.

[00:09:27] Are people not human?

[00:09:29] Do people not change their minds?

[00:09:31] Do I act like you said, comparing it to me and Dom, I would have

[00:09:35] voted for Dom.

[00:09:36] Um, but I think any human being with the brain is, has the

[00:09:42] permission to change their minds in Maria's case.

[00:09:45] I, and I just rewatched on the drive home from New York.

[00:09:49] And she said two things.

[00:09:52] She said, she saw the fire in the fight and Kenzie's eyes.

[00:09:55] And then she also heard Kenzie's speech.

[00:09:59] And if you think about Maria's story and you think about Kenzie's

[00:10:03] story, Kenzie's been working very hard for a lot of other people.

[00:10:08] And even with her entrepreneurship story, how the chairs in her salon,

[00:10:14] she doesn't make a dime off of them.

[00:10:16] Like she is a giver and Maria's story with her three kids and putting

[00:10:21] things to the side for her family.

[00:10:23] This is the story.

[00:10:24] This is what my, this is my mother's story.

[00:10:26] Like the sacrifices she made for me and my sisters.

[00:10:29] I get it.

[00:10:30] And for that story of Kenzie's to resonate with Maria, I totally

[00:10:36] understand how she can change her mind because she was hit right here.

[00:10:40] Now, the only thing I'll say is I understand a dominant scenario.

[00:10:45] We go so far.

[00:10:46] If I saw my man sitting at the end right now, I would say

[00:10:50] I would have voted for him.

[00:10:51] But I under, and I love Charlie, Charlie.

[00:10:56] I think Charlie, I think Charlie played the best game of the

[00:10:59] people sitting at the end, but I give Maria permission to change her mind.

[00:11:04] As did, I think four or five jurors at the end.

[00:11:08] I think this is the difference in this new era, right?

[00:11:11] Where it's like we have these survivor players that know every

[00:11:15] analytical, know every move, know everything, but survivor isn't just

[00:11:19] survivor, it's emotions.

[00:11:21] People are human.

[00:11:22] I think that on paper, Charlie killed it and I want justice for Charlie,

[00:11:26] Charlie, but at the same time, I feel like at the end, Kenzie

[00:11:31] delivered with her speech.

[00:11:32] She delivered so much that it swayed Maria, whether people believe

[00:11:38] it or like whatever they saying about Maria, like it swayed her.

[00:11:42] And I think that that is what is missing sometimes in this new era

[00:11:45] or with all of these people online.

[00:11:47] It's like, Oh, I would never done that.

[00:11:49] I would never done that.

[00:11:50] You don't know until you're out there and your emotions are there

[00:11:53] and you just got blindsided and are we are not allowed to have emotions?

[00:11:57] Can she not be pissed that she's not in the game?

[00:12:00] And there can be a level of bitterness.

[00:12:03] She can be a little bitter and a little salty that her man got to the end.

[00:12:06] She could be a little bitter couple that with this story really hitting home.

[00:12:12] You got my vote.

[00:12:13] Okay.

[00:12:13] I mean, I hear you guys and obviously emotions, of course are a big factor,

[00:12:17] but my counterpoints are a, I think when they asked who changed their minds,

[00:12:22] Maria didn't say that she changed her mind.

[00:12:24] It seemed like she came in wanting to vote for Kenzie also, you know,

[00:12:28] it, again, I hate to like this feels, it feels like I'm putting down

[00:12:32] Kenzie's win and I'm not trying to do that because Kenzie and I,

[00:12:35] and however voted for him, however it worked out, she has an

[00:12:38] undisputable like magnetism to her that like radiates off her.

[00:12:42] And I've never even like met her, but you could just tell that's why

[00:12:45] people are so drawn to her.

[00:12:46] Um, but for me it's just like, I'm kind of, it's just, I'm just kind of

[00:12:52] speechless because, and also again, it's maybe it's the cynic in me and,

[00:12:55] you know, obviously not knowing these people being out on the

[00:12:58] island, being on the jury.

[00:13:00] Like everyone has the reasons for why they need a million dollars, right?

[00:13:03] Unless you're, unless you, unless you know, if you're super rich,

[00:13:07] I get why you wouldn't want to vote for someone who's super rich.

[00:13:09] Right.

[00:13:09] But you know, Kenzie obviously has come from struggle, but Ben's struggle.

[00:13:12] I mean, and I feel like it happens a lot to younger contestants where people

[00:13:15] feel like they don't need the money.

[00:13:17] But it's like, if I'm out there, I want to have a family at some point,

[00:13:21] you know, that money is going to help me or Charlie, you know, whoever

[00:13:24] may be kickstart their lives and pay for law school and which

[00:13:29] and everybody is going to help serve, you know, people in the community.

[00:13:32] You will need legal like oversight.

[00:13:35] And so I get that Kenzie story is great, but it does always

[00:13:40] bother me not just in the season when people are like, well, why do you need

[00:13:43] the money? It's like, right.

[00:13:44] What are your business? Like it's not really your business.

[00:13:46] And what frustrated me ultimately was that I feel like in my opinion,

[00:13:52] I think Charlie really played one of these strongest games of the new era,

[00:13:56] because I look at every inflection point of his decisions and I always

[00:13:59] think he made a great decision.

[00:14:01] And a lot of times, you know, with like a Russell Hance, it boils

[00:14:05] under them, but not being liked, but I feel like people liked Charlie.

[00:14:08] So I'm like, if I'm in his shoes, I'm just so frustrated for him because it's

[00:14:12] like, what could you do differently?

[00:14:14] Right.

[00:14:14] But that's the game of survivor Jack.

[00:14:16] Like that's what I keep trying to tell people.

[00:14:18] And again, I am as equally mad with you.

[00:14:21] Like I love Charlie.

[00:14:22] I think that Charlie played a great game.

[00:14:24] I think that he did everything right, but it's not always that you can do

[00:14:30] everything right and it not work out in your favor.

[00:14:33] We just did a panel, a real talk panel on luck versus strategy.

[00:14:38] And if you weren't there, it was great.

[00:14:40] We kind of talked about a lot of these nuances and I just, I think that.

[00:14:45] Why I am so frustrated that Charlie didn't win is also the same reason why

[00:14:50] I actually love survivor, right?

[00:14:52] You can't really quantify how to get to the end.

[00:14:56] You can't quantify people's emotions on the jury.

[00:14:59] And it's like, you can play a great game, but ultimately it's like the

[00:15:04] jury, how did the people leave?

[00:15:06] And in the end to quote James Jones, James Jones says this a million times.

[00:15:10] It's not about how you got to the end, but it's about when you get to the

[00:15:15] end and can you tell the story and respectfully speaking, right?

[00:15:19] And I love my Charlie and I think Charlie, you could see him on the beach.

[00:15:23] He wrote all of his stuff out.

[00:15:25] I think for me watching as a fan, I wasn't there.

[00:15:28] It seemed like Kenzie was a little more emotional, a little more tapped

[00:15:33] into the heartstrings as to like, you know, and shout out to Dr.

[00:15:37] Charlie, cause Charlie just graduated today with a doctorate in law.

[00:15:41] In law.

[00:15:43] Right.

[00:15:44] Huge.

[00:15:45] But you know, he came with the facts.

[00:15:47] Like he was like very like pointed and sometimes like that might

[00:15:50] not resonate with everyone.

[00:15:52] Something like, so it's like, it's so weird.

[00:15:54] So I understand it, but I also feel like why I am so frustrated

[00:15:58] like you Jack is also why I love survivor.

[00:16:00] Cause you just never know.

[00:16:02] These are all, those are all very, very good points.

[00:16:05] I mean that is what makes survivor and that's why you're right.

[00:16:08] Like in a way the jury is never wrong.

[00:16:10] So I never like to say that so-and-so should have one because

[00:16:13] the jurors are the jurors and that's part of the luck of the game

[00:16:16] is like the people you end up with.

[00:16:18] Um, but I don't know.

[00:16:21] It's just, yeah, it's tough.

[00:16:22] You're absolutely right.

[00:16:23] You're absolutely right.

[00:16:23] But at the same time, I'm frustrated and took your, to your point, Kenzie

[00:16:27] not only played to the hearts, I think she also did a great job of

[00:16:30] playing to the egos on the jury.

[00:16:31] And for better or for worse, there's, there were some ego goes on the jury.

[00:16:36] And that's how it is.

[00:16:36] A lot of the time people want to get their licks in at the end, but you

[00:16:39] know, it's, it's been a theme of the season the whole time, how messy

[00:16:43] and chaotic it is, and there's some wild personalities.

[00:16:46] So ultimately, yeah, I guess in the sense of like, you know, if the

[00:16:50] jurors are bitter and they're egotistical part of winning the game

[00:16:54] is making them feel good about themselves, even if they don't

[00:16:57] necessarily deserve that.

[00:16:59] If we're talking about the jury, can we talk about the

[00:17:02] jury for a second?

[00:17:03] Please?

[00:17:03] Yeah.

[00:17:04] Two things I loved how I've seen.

[00:17:07] I love the questioning of the jury.

[00:17:09] I love the direct, like them asking them direct questions, but is

[00:17:15] somebody going to tell Q that he is a jury member and not the final four?

[00:17:23] Kenzie kind of alluding to the fact that she had to work with Q and

[00:17:28] how flip floppy he was at times.

[00:17:30] And then Q as a jury member was like, I say that I never said that.

[00:17:37] I was never voting for Ben.

[00:17:39] And then Tiffany was like, big mistake.

[00:17:43] Right.

[00:17:43] Big mistake.

[00:17:44] You were, and then they start getting it.

[00:17:47] Like, I like if that wasn't.

[00:17:49] Yeah.

[00:17:50] Quintavious.

[00:17:51] I don't know what Quintavious was.

[00:17:53] And they also who directed Quintavious to be the choir director of the,

[00:18:01] the final tribo.

[00:18:02] I love how he was like, thank you.

[00:18:04] Okay.

[00:18:04] Ben your turn.

[00:18:05] Like it was the Q tap in for Jeff.

[00:18:09] Like I was just, yeah, I got this.

[00:18:13] I was like, what, what is Q doing?

[00:18:16] There was a lot of antics.

[00:18:18] I mean, there was the Q antics.

[00:18:19] That was the whole you have 30 seconds.

[00:18:22] Like you're done.

[00:18:25] Honestly.

[00:18:26] Um, but did Tiffany have a timer in her head?

[00:18:31] I think she was counting in the head and then Soda was just same way.

[00:18:36] And I don't know, man.

[00:18:39] Now I get it.

[00:18:40] Like it is part of being on the jury, even in the non real surviving

[00:18:45] games that I've played with you guys.

[00:18:47] Sometimes you get to the end of the jury and you kind of, and you kind

[00:18:50] of want to get, you know, you, you, you could be a little bitter.

[00:18:52] I best think I don't mind a little bit, but it just confuses me.

[00:18:57] If you're a little bitter, I feel like if you can, if you want

[00:19:00] to say that then that's cool.

[00:19:01] But that, but I think my frustration with Maria is that she comes up with

[00:19:04] all these weird ass answers, try to justify why she voted for Kenzie

[00:19:09] when in reality, I think really there was just some sort of bitterness

[00:19:13] and it seems like she can't acknowledge that.

[00:19:15] Um, well, I think like, so let's talk about that.

[00:19:18] Right?

[00:19:18] Because like I one can understand the frustration of the Charlie,

[00:19:25] wait, the Swifties, the Charlies that are upset at Maria.

[00:19:28] Like I understand that.

[00:19:30] But is there also a world where everything that Maria is saying it can be true?

[00:19:36] She could have been a little bitter.

[00:19:38] She could have wanted to vote for a woman to like, you know, I think

[00:19:42] in one of her interviews, she has said a part of her going out there was

[00:19:45] doing something selfish for herself.

[00:19:47] And I don't know if you've ever like said something or like been saying

[00:19:50] something in your spirit and then you're sitting somewhere and you'll read

[00:19:54] it on a train or you'll hear it and it resonates with you.

[00:19:57] Like, I think all of those things can be true, but what I'm not

[00:20:01] going to do is stand for this Maria hate train that people are

[00:20:07] like mowing over her.

[00:20:08] She played a great game.

[00:20:10] She's stuck by her decision, whether you like it or not.

[00:20:12] Like that's her decision.

[00:20:14] She has to live with it.

[00:20:15] Like I just don't like the dog piling of social media, like trying

[00:20:20] to erase everything amazing that she has done in her decision.

[00:20:24] And if you don't like her decision, you could always apply to be on

[00:20:30] survivor, make it 25 days and get on the jewelry and you can cast the vote.

[00:20:38] A week ago, she was a front, front runner to win the game.

[00:20:42] To some, some would say if Charlie would have kept her, he might've had a better shot.

[00:20:52] Uh, okay.

[00:20:54] Okay.

[00:20:54] Jack, I don't have any like a week ago or if Charlie kept her, would she

[00:21:03] have had a better shot?

[00:21:04] Cause you're like, oh, she wasn't the front runner.

[00:21:06] Oh, I guess a front runner in the sense of like within the game maybe.

[00:21:10] But I thought as far as like the actual outcome of how things would work out

[00:21:14] that she wasn't going to get to the end very often.

[00:21:16] Correct.

[00:21:17] Correct.

[00:21:17] Okay.

[00:21:18] If you got to the edge, she probably wins, but I just don't, I think

[00:21:21] the way you don't know now.

[00:21:23] Well, I sure, but that would be kind of going against the point

[00:21:27] that we do know though.

[00:21:29] We do know if Liz got to the end, we do know.

[00:21:34] I'm glad we're talking about this.

[00:21:35] That was insane.

[00:21:37] I mean, that was, I don't know what is, I'm gonna help her out.

[00:21:42] Go ahead.

[00:21:44] I just don't have any words.

[00:21:45] I'm like, it's like, I don't like, how did she pass the psych evaluation?

[00:21:49] They said, I just want to know you gotta, okay.

[00:21:54] Well, here's the thing.

[00:21:55] Can you imagine Liz?

[00:21:57] Well, Liz in the final three being like the only move I ever

[00:22:01] wanted, like this could have worked out hearing me out if Liz was in

[00:22:04] the final three and she stood on this.

[00:22:08] The only thing I wanted, the only thing I needed to do was get

[00:22:12] Q out and I did it.

[00:22:16] No, no.

[00:22:18] Not again winning.

[00:22:19] Um, that's not a game here, but because you could have sat at

[00:22:22] the end and, um, and man, we're not, you know, I just don't like,

[00:22:31] I guess maybe this, this might be the episode of all the episodes

[00:22:35] we've done where maybe I'm in my, maybe I'm in my most hate her mode.

[00:22:40] I'm just like, it's like a nice lady, but it's just like this.

[00:22:44] So it's just delusional.

[00:22:45] Like it's really delusional.

[00:22:47] And also did you see she came out and said that she's not a

[00:22:50] man there and that was all a lie, a strategic lie.

[00:22:54] It's like, like what?

[00:22:59] Now, now, first of all, I know some wealthy people.

[00:23:06] And I know some wealthy people.

[00:23:09] I know some people that are wealthy.

[00:23:13] You don't talk about how bright they don't always, they don't always lead with it.

[00:23:18] So I was questioning it, but you know, she kept saying it.

[00:23:22] I was questioning it, but as a strategy, if she, if she did make

[00:23:26] it to the end and use that coupled with the whole Q thing, Bryce, she,

[00:23:32] Hey, that's what I'm saying.

[00:23:34] Okay.

[00:23:35] The world where it sort of makes sense because a lot of times you're like, well,

[00:23:39] they don't need the money.

[00:23:40] We can bring them to the end.

[00:23:41] The problem is once I feel like once people are thinking that way, right?

[00:23:44] If you actually are rich, if I'm on the jury and then somebody who's the

[00:23:47] whole game is nothing, I'm a millionaire.

[00:23:49] And then they're like, Oh, by the way, I'm not actually a millionaire.

[00:23:52] I would just be like, you're full of it.

[00:23:53] Like you're, you're just lying.

[00:23:55] Like, and that's the thing too.

[00:23:57] Wendell is like, even if that's her strategy, find me one person who

[00:24:02] likes to be told time and time again by someone else that they're a millionaire.

[00:24:06] That's annoying.

[00:24:07] That's just, if I meet someone who's like, yeah, I have a lot of money.

[00:24:10] I'm like, shut up.

[00:24:11] Like it's, it's annoying.

[00:24:12] Like, especially if that money is not going to help me out.

[00:24:16] You know what I mean?

[00:24:17] Like, and if you're, if you're a millionaire too, is Applebee's the spot?

[00:24:23] Well, listen, you like what you like though, Jack, you like what you like.

[00:24:28] I'm not saying to Applebee's.

[00:24:28] I like Applebee's.

[00:24:29] Applebee's is in my top four favorite contestants from the finale.

[00:24:33] So, since we're on Liz, let's talk about this.

[00:24:38] Kenzie's immunity challenge.

[00:24:41] First of all, shout out to Kenzie.

[00:24:43] Talk.

[00:24:44] I feel like three episodes ago, I was saying this to you guys that you can

[00:24:49] kind of have a small edit, but that last episode, a lot can change.

[00:24:54] I think like Kenzie winning that immunity definitely changed a lot of things,

[00:24:58] but like, let's talk about Liz helping Kenzie.

[00:25:01] I would really love to know Jack and Wendell your thoughts on that.

[00:25:06] Um, and one, Jack, because you are a survivor almanac.

[00:25:09] Has that ever happened before?

[00:25:11] Like, I know people have helped people, but has somewhat like.

[00:25:15] Not to that extent.

[00:25:16] Okay.

[00:25:18] Yeah.

[00:25:19] How does that resonate in your, your spirit?

[00:25:22] I'm not as mad as I think some people are because it's one of those things.

[00:25:28] They say it's better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission.

[00:25:31] And I think survivor production loves the gray area around rules sometimes

[00:25:36] because if you just go do it, you know, it might not be the most

[00:25:40] kosher, but it's going to make for good TV and that's exactly what happened.

[00:25:44] But I do think there will be some sort of rule change here.

[00:25:47] Um, where ultimately I think you should have to stay literally stay in your lane.

[00:25:54] Like she shouldn't be allowed to go into Kenzie's part of the

[00:25:58] challenge and grab things because you know, where's the line there?

[00:26:02] Like if I, if I ran into Maria's lane and blocked her from running,

[00:26:06] like that's not like they can't do that.

[00:26:08] So, um, or just helps her with the puzzle.

[00:26:12] Like, all right, we're just teaming up on this whole thing.

[00:26:15] And also that, yeah, it's like for this one moment, I, it is kind of

[00:26:21] an iconic moment in a way, but that's obviously just something that we

[00:26:24] can't have going forward.

[00:26:25] It ruins the spirit of the game.

[00:26:27] And again, if I were Maria now, if this happened to someone that I was,

[00:26:32] uh, rooting for a little bit more, I'd be more annoyed, but I do see Maria.

[00:26:37] Ultimately.

[00:26:38] I think she had the most reason to be pissed about this.

[00:26:42] And I will say in the moment, she handled it with a lot of, a lot of

[00:26:44] class and a lot of grace because for me you best believe, well, you know,

[00:26:49] I would probably have to hold something back, but in the moment I'd be like.

[00:26:54] Like I'll be talking a lot of smack, like you don't like, especially when

[00:26:58] they're like Maria, you're so good.

[00:27:01] We had a team up against you.

[00:27:02] I'd be like, what, what's that?

[00:27:04] What is that?

[00:27:04] It's so, it's so annoying.

[00:27:08] Yeah.

[00:27:09] That's not cool.

[00:27:10] I think it's a bad precedent.

[00:27:12] I think we haven't seen something as egregious in the past before.

[00:27:15] I think, uh, I think they should be ashamed of themselves.

[00:27:22] Um, or at least Liz and I think, um, I think I'm feeling shame

[00:27:27] are not two things that go together.

[00:27:30] I'm not going to make this a Liz bashing session because I will have

[00:27:34] I'm going to hold off.

[00:27:36] Um, I think that there, I think that they might wait to make a rule on it.

[00:27:42] I E if say people really start doing this and teaming up and stuff like

[00:27:47] that, like two people could have ran the challenge in the same lane.

[00:27:50] You know what I'm saying?

[00:27:51] Like, so if, if, if it becomes something serious, I think they'll make a rule.

[00:27:58] In this case, I think they'll just, they might just wait.

[00:28:01] Um, I did think it was a great, I feel like I've ever, ever done this.

[00:28:06] Like I love the fact that like the puzzle was you had to actually go.

[00:28:09] I loved that.

[00:28:11] No, no, because my challenges were really fun too.

[00:28:16] I'm not going to lie.

[00:28:17] My not that smart stuff would have been trying to figure out.

[00:28:21] I would have never read back.

[00:28:23] I would have like, I like, I would have been the blank.

[00:28:27] You're like looking at the wood structure and you're like, there's

[00:28:30] no holes in this plank.

[00:28:31] I would have never thought to run back.

[00:28:33] So I do have to give thumbs up to survivor for the innovation of this challenge.

[00:28:38] I loved it.

[00:28:39] And the fact that it was the plank was in the beginning, like you had

[00:28:44] to crawl back through the life that could have been anybody's game.

[00:28:51] We took it all.

[00:28:52] We brought them to our last.

[00:28:56] An endless night, Amber hot and icy cold.

[00:29:00] The rage of the earth.

[00:29:03] We made this curse.

[00:29:08] We did not see, we could not, but she did.

[00:29:12] And in the end, what will I become?

[00:29:15] Senua saga, Hellblade 2.

[00:29:18] Play it now with Game Pass.

[00:29:21] I was just going to say like as frustrating as that cheating stuff was

[00:29:26] at the same time, it was interesting, but I can't really knock it.

[00:29:28] Cause if I was in that spot, I might've tried to do the same thing.

[00:29:31] Right?

[00:29:32] It was someone you know, you got to get out.

[00:29:34] Is there a world right when Maria got back and like there she said 34,

[00:29:39] like I wonder what happened if Maria just was like, okay, well let

[00:29:43] me just listen to Liz then.

[00:29:46] Like what if, like, cause I listen, I'm all like,

[00:29:50] and it's like you, Maria was running back like, right.

[00:29:53] So she was up there.

[00:29:55] Right.

[00:29:56] Like she could, there was a world that she could have just waited.

[00:29:58] And when she said 34 or 35, that didn't work, I would have been like,

[00:30:04] that would have been dope.

[00:30:06] That would be great TV.

[00:30:07] If she was like, all right, you going to see for them?

[00:30:09] Why?

[00:30:09] What's up?

[00:30:10] I'm right here with it.

[00:30:10] Right.

[00:30:11] I was also curious about the policy on guessing on, cause when they

[00:30:16] guess like 34 and it was wrong, they went and recounted it again.

[00:30:20] But I'm like, if you're in the ballpark, just why not?

[00:30:24] Yeah.

[00:30:24] Just,

[00:30:25] what were the, there were other, like there were four other.

[00:30:28] Yeah.

[00:30:28] It was like the number of geckos on the puzzle and then like the

[00:30:31] number of pieces in the puzzle and then the number of holes in the

[00:30:35] plank.

[00:30:36] But I mean also, cause we're not going to make this a Liz bashing,

[00:30:40] uh, whatever as somebody that's always a good friend and somebody

[00:30:44] that's like a, like I met Anna Liz pool.

[00:30:47] Like, you know, there is a part of me that's like,

[00:30:50] I'm not, I, I, you don't, that's the thing.

[00:30:54] If this, if for a million dollars, if there's someone I have to make

[00:30:57] lose the challenge, I might've done something similar.

[00:30:59] I don't know if I would've, I like, I would feel bad about it.

[00:31:04] Um, but I can't, I can't knock that specifically.

[00:31:07] And I liked it.

[00:31:08] I liked the initiative of like, I'm not going to ask if I could do this.

[00:31:11] I'm just going to go do it.

[00:31:13] And that's what I mean.

[00:31:14] I feel like survivor production likes that sometimes, but there

[00:31:17] has to be a line of like, I do think ultimately the launch is

[00:31:20] be like, can't leave your lane and like interact with other people's

[00:31:24] challenge or not even that you can't.

[00:31:27] I feel like the rule could have been, she could have helped, but

[00:31:29] she would have had to grab her plank.

[00:31:31] I don't feel like she should have been able to grab.

[00:31:34] She would have to stay in her lane and use her own one.

[00:31:39] Oh, go ahead.

[00:31:41] No, I agree with Bryce.

[00:31:43] Yeah.

[00:31:43] Yeah.

[00:31:44] I survivor is all about not asking for permission.

[00:31:47] It's like, do it create the game, you know, in ghost Island, when we

[00:31:52] had the, uh, the blindfold challenge where you have to lead your whole

[00:31:56] tribe through this obstacle course to the end with, uh, but first you

[00:32:01] got to send them out to find three bags of puzzle pieces.

[00:32:04] Then once they all have them back, you have to lead them to the

[00:32:07] end and do this puzzle as a leader.

[00:32:09] You're, you're not blindfolded, but everyone else is.

[00:32:11] And my stupid behind there, they all came back with the bags.

[00:32:15] And then I led them all the way to the end.

[00:32:18] And I realized we only had two out of three bags.

[00:32:22] I saw online people, I ran back to get it myself.

[00:32:26] I was like, pew.

[00:32:27] And I got it myself.

[00:32:28] I left my tribe blindfolded.

[00:32:29] They didn't know what was going on and I got it and I came back.

[00:32:33] But I saw online people were like, nah, Wendell should have had

[00:32:35] to bring his whole tribe back.

[00:32:37] I'm not asking for that permission.

[00:32:39] Like you go and go and go and survivor until they tell you to stop.

[00:32:44] That's the game.

[00:32:45] So I'm sure in the heat of a challenge, they're looking at everybody,

[00:32:50] making sure the rules are being followed.

[00:32:52] But if you make a split second decision, when the whole challenge is progressing,

[00:32:56] it, I feel like they're not going to be like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[00:32:59] Like stop, you know,

[00:33:02] depends because they have been like, yo, when people try to like break

[00:33:05] people's knees and like the physical challenges or stuff.

[00:33:07] Well, yeah, of course, of course.

[00:33:10] Um, but, uh, as far as Liz, I do want to say this about Liz.

[00:33:16] As viewers, she looked a little delulu.

[00:33:19] She looked a little, um, like she really thought that it was cake.

[00:33:24] And we saw it like, yo, you're not there.

[00:33:28] Like that's, that's not how we view it.

[00:33:31] What I will say is I question if ever, and I didn't hear the exit press.

[00:33:35] I questioned if everyone on the Island boots on the ground thought that about her.

[00:33:39] I heard after the fact, and you know, it's from, I saw something on Twitter,

[00:33:43] I think Q set and now not maybe the most reliable aerator, but I was told that.

[00:33:50] Hey, I will apparently, so this is a whole different thing, but that's

[00:33:54] why I answer your question is, you know, when they did like the shot

[00:33:57] of the jury altogether on the beach and Liz wasn't in that.

[00:34:01] And apparently I was thinking, Oh, maybe they did that before she got

[00:34:04] on the jury, but apparently she was there, but she just wasn't rocking

[00:34:08] with them because when she got to Ponderosa, I don't know if it

[00:34:11] was all of them who said it.

[00:34:12] They told her that no one would have voted for her.

[00:34:14] And she, so, and she was, she was pissed.

[00:34:18] And so, and I mean, I also think you could judge it's of course,

[00:34:22] there's some editing magic to it, but when she was talking her talk

[00:34:25] in the jury was like, yeah,

[00:34:31] that, that was, that was a classic moment.

[00:34:36] Okay.

[00:34:37] You all to my point.

[00:34:39] That's my issue though.

[00:34:41] And again, like this is like anything insulting, but it's, and this

[00:34:47] is good, I'm going to the phrasing on this.

[00:34:48] We would, for me, it's not a problem with the confidence.

[00:34:51] It's a problem with like the arrogance and how I differentiate that

[00:34:55] as confidence could be a very inward thing, right?

[00:34:57] You might not have your head wrapped around the game totally and

[00:35:02] think, Hey, maybe I can win this thing and you could be wrong.

[00:35:04] And that's, I think completely reasonable, but it's the, it's

[00:35:08] the act of being like, I was going to be all y'all.

[00:35:11] Like you guys were done for, like that's just arrogant.

[00:35:14] Like if there's no justification of that.

[00:35:16] So for me, it's like, I don't feel that bad knocking it.

[00:35:19] Cause that's just like bad behavior.

[00:35:20] Like, and that, that's the sort of thing that continues and not,

[00:35:24] not that it's my place to be the one to fix it, but it's

[00:35:27] like, if no one ever, if you're acting some type of way and no

[00:35:31] one ever hops on their podcast, it is like that's whack.

[00:35:36] Then you're not really ever going to know that you're being

[00:35:38] whack because that's just like undebatably.

[00:35:42] Your money that doesn't exist, like telling everyone you would have

[00:35:45] beat them like, but it's weird.

[00:35:49] Our boy for real.

[00:35:51] Like it's so it's just like, I don't know.

[00:35:53] I have nothing wrong if she's a little quirky and like this.

[00:35:56] It's the mix up with other people.

[00:36:00] Now this might be a hot take now again, I'm a say this.

[00:36:03] And I had to adjust the whistle.

[00:36:09] Where's that?

[00:36:10] The whistle is getting wet.

[00:36:11] I had to adjust my attitude.

[00:36:13] I had to adjust my attitude before we podcast.

[00:36:16] Cause you know, I wanted to make sure we had a great podcast.

[00:36:18] Uh, here's the thing, right.

[00:36:20] And I'm gonna just be honest.

[00:36:23] Liz rubbed me the wrong way, right?

[00:36:24] But I'll be honest, Quintavious rubbed me the wrong way.

[00:36:27] The first couple of episodes too.

[00:36:28] And I learned to love Quintavious.

[00:36:33] There is a world where it's like, I feel like my views don't align with Liz,

[00:36:38] but I think that she's great TV.

[00:36:40] Right?

[00:36:40] Like I love the fact that like she's overconfident.

[00:36:43] She's over life, but I'ma just hot take.

[00:36:45] I'ma say it and I don't care.

[00:36:49] I feel like the pen on the donkey for me was when she got voted out.

[00:36:56] This nuance may go over some heads, but I felt like the

[00:37:03] I felt like the God bless America.

[00:37:06] Comment for me was like, okay.

[00:37:10] Oh, did you say it?

[00:37:11] Did you say something like that?

[00:37:12] She said that when he was a

[00:37:14] when he was snuffing her torch.

[00:37:15] And for me, I was like clocked it.

[00:37:17] Uh, but

[00:37:20] well, I, you know what?

[00:37:23] And I'm not, I don't do any, I stopped talking politics.

[00:37:27] I'm not talking politics.

[00:37:28] I'm just like, I'm just saying.

[00:37:30] But I want to say Bryce, she is a unique individual because I got into her

[00:37:37] follows on Instagram and although she doesn't follow any of us and then

[00:37:44] let's follow her.

[00:37:45] He does follow president Obama.

[00:37:50] She does.

[00:37:51] She just did a somewhat of a commercial and ad or something on her Instagram.

[00:37:56] And her, she had a prominent sign behind her that said like stop white

[00:38:03] silence and white silence.

[00:38:06] And so I think, I think there's more to Liz than, than we know.

[00:38:14] Is that just like white people got to speak out?

[00:38:16] No, it means in white silence, in white silence would say something.

[00:38:23] Be an ally.

[00:38:24] Oh, I was like,

[00:38:28] us white people don't need to be talking more, man.

[00:38:30] Like,

[00:38:35] it may be a, I hope it's the other thing, but no, I'm with you.

[00:38:40] It's not even, it is not.

[00:38:43] This ain't going to age.

[00:38:46] Is it, it depends.

[00:38:47] Was there a Trump 2020?

[00:38:51] Okay.

[00:38:51] No, I don't, I don't, that's not for me.

[00:38:53] But I just also, I just want to end with again.

[00:38:58] I thought Liz was great.

[00:38:59] Like I just as much, I feel like sometimes if people just see clips of this

[00:39:04] podcast, I feel like they think that we're shitting on Liz.

[00:39:09] We're not the way that we show love to people is quite frankly, we should,

[00:39:15] we clown them.

[00:39:16] And so I didn't agree with a lot of Liz's stuff, but I have to say in the,

[00:39:20] in a very quaint, habeas mindset, season 46 would not be season 46

[00:39:28] without a Liz Wilcox.

[00:39:29] Bryce took to co-sign what you're saying.

[00:39:32] I can see a quaint, habeas every season, cast them all the time.

[00:39:37] I will gladly watch Liz's on my screen every season.

[00:39:40] I just,

[00:39:43] to laugh at, to disagree with, to give me, I love a character like that.

[00:39:49] Yes.

[00:39:49] But see, I don't even want to say this because it's just for me,

[00:39:53] come on, hot take Jack.

[00:39:54] There has to be like, I love a kooky character, someone that you could laugh

[00:39:59] at a little bit sometimes we laugh with them, but at the end of the day,

[00:40:04] there has to be a level of, I'm not like, it's for me, like basically

[00:40:09] if Liz, like if Liz Wilcox was on another season, I would not be happy.

[00:40:14] I mean, we've seen, we've seen, not the same, like,

[00:40:19] Yes.

[00:40:20] I guess, I get what you're saying.

[00:40:22] Like again, and I'm just saying as kooky and again, I'm not trying to

[00:40:26] defend Liz or nothing, you know, cause I said what I said in my

[00:40:28] Nini Leakes voice, she got to the end.

[00:40:32] Like she got to final five, whether we agree with me.

[00:40:35] I mean, it's not travel counts who got to the end.

[00:40:37] Like,

[00:40:38] I'm just saying for somebody that's a third boot out.

[00:40:44] She didn't, I mean, she didn't quite get to the end cause her, her

[00:40:47] wrists don't work or something.

[00:40:48] I don't like, I don't know.

[00:40:49] Oh yeah.

[00:40:50] I didn't understand that cause best believe my wrists work in our own

[00:40:54] code and all the time.

[00:40:56] Okay.

[00:40:57] Up till the right.

[00:40:59] Okay.

[00:41:02] I'm milking a cow here.

[00:41:03] Okay.

[00:41:04] You're building it with the wrong sticks.

[00:41:08] Are we casting?

[00:41:14] Do we cast people with weak wrists that be good at things?

[00:41:17] Like, do we cast people that can't eat food?

[00:41:20] Like it's the same question.

[00:41:22] Was this like a huge, like there were, there were many red flags.

[00:41:26] I would think.

[00:41:27] Right.

[00:41:28] I think that's, but that's, I mean, that's what you're the

[00:41:31] ultimate, you guys are right.

[00:41:32] That's what brings the entertainment in its own right is it's a train wreck.

[00:41:36] I'm sure CBS knew that's kind of what they were going to get.

[00:41:40] This season was full of them.

[00:41:43] Yes.

[00:41:45] Bono Q was the best.

[00:41:55] Also, I just want to just point this out real quick.

[00:41:57] Train wreck isn't the right word for Q.

[00:42:00] Yeah.

[00:42:01] It's I will call Q a plane crash, but listen to me.

[00:42:06] Why I will call Q a plane crash.

[00:42:08] We love you.

[00:42:10] Friend of the, the plane has crashed, but he ejected a parachute.

[00:42:18] So the fall was graceful.

[00:42:23] I do want to just say real quick.

[00:42:27] He opened up his Q skirt.

[00:42:28] It don't say the face now.

[00:42:32] The Alliance of six is in the plane that crash.

[00:42:38] He left them.

[00:42:39] He left them, but this is a, I was talking to one of the amazing supporters that was

[00:42:45] at the Bryce and when New York finale.

[00:42:50] And they said this to me and it didn't resonate with me.

[00:42:54] Um, the diversity initiative.

[00:42:58] It's been so impactful.

[00:42:59] Uh, we've got so many winners, but they specifically said to me, um, how they

[00:43:05] could have saw Q on a previous season, but he wouldn't have got the same edit

[00:43:13] because of the diversity initiative.

[00:43:14] Like, you know what I mean?

[00:43:15] Like he could have been like, right?

[00:43:20] Like, you know, and it's like, I didn't even think about it like that.

[00:43:23] And it's like just a testament again, just want to shout out to

[00:43:25] survivor, shout out to the casting, shout out to the produce producing,

[00:43:28] shout out to the editing, uh, because again, now let me just be clear.

[00:43:34] If you had a gun, but he's shooting himself in the foot.

[00:43:37] Okay.

[00:43:38] Like he shot himself in the foot a million times, but because we were able to see

[00:43:44] him as a full person, I think that that makes all the difference.

[00:43:48] The same with Liz.

[00:43:49] I'm saying the same with Liz because I could see her as the same person and

[00:43:52] know she came from poverty to know that I'm pissed.

[00:43:56] The Applebee's is because it's something she does with her.

[00:44:00] Something she does with her.

[00:44:01] Like the fact that we just get these full stories of people,

[00:44:04] it really makes a difference.

[00:44:06] Yeah.

[00:44:06] And helped by the 90 minutes as well.

[00:44:08] It was just getting more time with people for the character to develop.

[00:44:11] I totally agree with you.

[00:44:12] It makes the characters more well rounded.

[00:44:14] Thanks to the diversity initiative, like understanding the different backgrounds.

[00:44:18] You mentioned Debbie.

[00:44:20] You might think Nora, right post 40, we get Carolyn and her edit.

[00:44:27] You know, she, she looked like she could have won the game.

[00:44:29] Right.

[00:44:30] So, you know, I think, I think they're doing a much better job at showing

[00:44:34] whole people as opposed to caricatures or one dimensional people kudos to the.

[00:44:39] Yeah.

[00:44:40] And that's when we did the diversity initiative.

[00:44:43] Yes.

[00:44:43] It was black survivors coming together, but it wasn't just for

[00:44:47] black people to have it is for women, for minorities, for a better edit,

[00:44:53] for a bet like so again, yes.

[00:44:56] And white silence.

[00:45:00] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:45:00] Sorry.

[00:45:01] Enough of that.

[00:45:03] No, what you was talking about.

[00:45:06] Should have been.

[00:45:08] Don't put that.

[00:45:09] Um, I'm gonna be applying for jobs and they're gonna pull that up.

[00:45:15] Get them.

[00:45:16] Awesome.

[00:45:17] Cause we're just all over the place today.

[00:45:19] I can we talk about Ben?

[00:45:21] Yes.

[00:45:22] I, um, again, being at our finale party and I'm conflicted.

[00:45:28] I'll tell you that first.

[00:45:28] Okay.

[00:45:30] Well, let me, let me say my piece and you tell me what's conflicted for you.

[00:45:33] Um, I feel like I also feel like justice for Ben, right?

[00:45:37] I feel like we saw so much of him in the beginning and then

[00:45:42] his edit kind of went ghost.

[00:45:44] Um, and so I was very, as a Ben Katzman fan, happy to once see him

[00:45:49] win something for, and for them to tell his story about his night terrors.

[00:45:54] Right?

[00:45:54] Like, I feel like that's something that he has been saying a lot.

[00:45:59] Uh, in his cryptic posts, even though they're all been happy.

[00:46:02] Like I feel like it's kind of like a beautiful nightmare where it's like

[00:46:06] there's something that happened that is so beautiful, but it's a nightmare,

[00:46:10] but you have to smile because it's so beautiful.

[00:46:12] I feel like he's been trying to tell us that I know he has a new album

[00:46:15] coming out and tears on the beach is one of the songs, uh, that I

[00:46:19] know he performed in New York city.

[00:46:21] And I got to listen to the lyrics of it.

[00:46:23] And I just feel like I was happy that they were just able to like, tell his story.

[00:46:29] I wish we got to see more of his story because I feel like in the end

[00:46:33] people were like, well, what did Ben do?

[00:46:35] Like, like Ben, in my opinion, from what I have saw, that man

[00:46:39] was out there literally surviving.

[00:46:43] Right.

[00:46:43] Like, and as somebody that takes mental health very seriously,

[00:46:47] but somebody that works in the field, uh, yeah, I don't think that.

[00:46:52] We got enough of Ben and I don't think the edit did him justice.

[00:46:55] I was glad that we got to this point, but I feel like there was just so

[00:46:58] much more going on with Ben.

[00:47:00] And despite everything that he was going through, I feel like

[00:47:03] he still was in the game.

[00:47:05] We didn't see it and he made final three.

[00:47:07] So that's, that's my take on baby boy.

[00:47:12] I love Ben.

[00:47:13] I think he was a victim of, uh, of the winners, the winners edit,

[00:47:16] you know, like he was a casualty of their edit, but I'm glad that we

[00:47:20] got, we got fun content of Ben early.

[00:47:23] We got like, um, not fun.

[00:47:26] We got, you know, the night terrors and other things later.

[00:47:29] I, but I think, I think we were able to get a holistic picture of Ben.

[00:47:34] I think we're able to see the fun, Ben, the, the Ben that does get

[00:47:39] emotional, the Ben that does wear his heart on his sleeve, the

[00:47:42] Ben, um, that people love the, so I thought, I thought we did see a lot of him.

[00:47:47] But you're the third place finalist that didn't get any votes.

[00:47:52] So again, um, this season is I'd say more so the Kenzie and

[00:47:59] Charlie who's gonna like this season is to build up Kenzie and Charlie.

[00:48:04] And at the end, the vote showed that.

[00:48:07] So ever of course we know everything can't be shown, but I do think

[00:48:13] that, and I do think we saw quite a few sides of Ben.

[00:48:17] Yeah.

[00:48:18] I, I love that.

[00:48:21] I just, I just don't, I don't have too much more to say to that.

[00:48:23] Like he, he w I do think he was in the mix strategically more than we saw.

[00:48:28] Was he necessarily, he wasn't masterminding things, but he never pretended to be like

[00:48:32] he was always himself.

[00:48:34] He was always real, always rocking and even just meeting, having met him a couple

[00:48:38] of times, don't know him super well, but just always the best energy, like

[00:48:42] just a great, great guy.

[00:48:44] And anytime he was on, on screen, you just knew there was gonna be

[00:48:46] some fun shenanigans going on.

[00:48:49] Uh, so I love that.

[00:48:53] Yeah.

[00:48:54] I, uh, I think that tribal was interesting.

[00:48:59] I think that like clearly from this episode, we knew that he was like

[00:49:03] suffering and I feel like the fun, like he, he ha ha Ben showed up instead

[00:49:09] of actually like Ben pretend you on stage and pretend you're playing a

[00:49:13] guitar because I like, again, shout out to James Jones.

[00:49:18] It's not about how you got there.

[00:49:21] It's about the story.

[00:49:23] It's about the guitar string that you can play to the audience.

[00:49:29] Uh, so I, I hate that this episode proved James Jones very right.

[00:49:36] And I remember clashing with them on that.

[00:49:39] And I think there's some validity to both of the arguments, although

[00:49:43] they're not mutually exclusive, but yeah, I think Kenzie winning really

[00:49:48] proof that's just the thing.

[00:49:49] If it's just the, some people just have an energy or aura that

[00:49:54] they may not be needed.

[00:49:56] They might not need to build a resume.

[00:49:57] They might just need to get to the end and be able to talk to the jury.

[00:50:00] It's evolving.

[00:50:01] Survivor is evolving.

[00:50:03] Survivor has evolved.

[00:50:04] The players have evolved like the criteria for a winner has evolved.

[00:50:11] Like there are things that you need to do to be a winner, but I think like we

[00:50:15] are witnessing the evolution of survivor, right?

[00:50:18] Like where it's like,

[00:50:21] I don't know if it's the best evolution though.

[00:50:23] Which I mean, but I don't think when primates, like when we, when

[00:50:31] primates went from not having limbs to having limbs, I don't think the

[00:50:38] primates they didn't have limbs.

[00:50:39] I don't think that they was like, well, that's,

[00:50:41] I mean, they were definitely jealous of the opposable thumbs.

[00:50:44] Like, well, right.

[00:50:45] That's what I'm saying.

[00:50:45] Like, you know, sometimes when you are in it watching it, you're not a big fan,

[00:50:51] but when you can open up a banana, I was about to say, but, but in that time,

[00:50:55] though, the ones without the thumbs were definitely jealous.

[00:50:58] They were like, I need me some of those so I can open the banana,

[00:51:02] but they've been opening bananas without them.

[00:51:04] You know what I'm like?

[00:51:05] So it's just like, I just, I feel like it's just the evolution of the game and

[00:51:09] the people and the dynamic people that they're casting.

[00:51:12] You know what?

[00:51:12] Can I say something about that?

[00:51:14] I think they're opening up the market.

[00:51:15] I think there was once a time when a certain kind of player could,

[00:51:20] could do very well in the game or like, like an alpha would be really good

[00:51:24] or whatever it is, right.

[00:51:25] And I think that there are, there are, but so many of those people

[00:51:29] in the country and in us and Canada, I think right now they're like,

[00:51:33] all right, we're not going to cast a season full of whatever types.

[00:51:36] It's going to be all in a, whatever you can grab this crazy cross section.

[00:51:42] And now, you know what this does?

[00:51:43] It opens up the market.

[00:51:44] Now every corner of this country and Canada and the world,

[00:51:48] they believe that they have a shot.

[00:51:50] Now somebody with risk issues or somebody with, you know,

[00:51:53] they can get out here and have, and make it to final four.

[00:51:56] So as I, I don't know, I, in a game called survivor,

[00:52:01] you think that it's like, you think that it's like the, the kill,

[00:52:06] like those alphas are on an island to kill each other, whatever.

[00:52:10] The game has evolved to where now it's a collection of people

[00:52:15] on an island to out strategize or whatever each other.

[00:52:19] So the game has evolved and I think the evolution has only white

[00:52:25] has the ability to really widen the audience.

[00:52:28] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:52:30] Um, and I'm sorry.

[00:52:31] Yeah. I got a little, uh, alarm.

[00:52:33] It's, I think some of the, some police are, I think they're looking

[00:52:36] for Maria for Rob and Charlie at a million bucks, but, um,

[00:52:41] yo, you know what?

[00:52:42] Sorry.

[00:52:42] I had to, I had to, but person, a question I wanted to, to, to ask.

[00:52:49] Uh, it's more like a big picture new era question.

[00:52:52] And it's something that I was thinking about cause I'm thinking

[00:52:55] about why all my guys losing finalists.

[00:52:58] So, I mean, I just think of like,

[00:53:04] name all your guys, Jack.

[00:53:06] Go ahead and name them.

[00:53:07] Go ahead and name them.

[00:53:08] Well, here's the,

[00:53:10] um, that's your year.

[00:53:11] Yeah.

[00:53:11] And her Austin and Charlie for me were people that I was rooting

[00:53:16] for from the jump people that I got to know.

[00:53:20] Um, and but the common theme between those people,

[00:53:24] what's the common thing?

[00:53:25] Okay.

[00:53:25] Let's talk about like, they're not even all the same race.

[00:53:29] So like,

[00:53:33] social construct Jack.

[00:53:38] But anyway,

[00:53:43] but what it's to be fair.

[00:53:46] Those are like the young guys that have made the final three in

[00:53:48] March, like, and then like Jake O'Kane, but that wouldn't really

[00:53:52] change the demographic too much.

[00:53:54] Uh, I would like to, I would like that to change.

[00:53:56] I'm, I'm, I'm, but anyway, but the common theme for me that

[00:54:01] I was sort of debating is having talked to these three guys

[00:54:04] about their gameplay.

[00:54:05] A lot of it early on we've seen is about mitigating their

[00:54:08] threat level, you know, athletic guys, uh, smart young,

[00:54:12] young guys where they come in and they know they can be perceived

[00:54:15] as threats.

[00:54:15] So I know that they all actively worked on lowering that threat

[00:54:19] level and positioning themselves like that.

[00:54:21] Of course for Charlie, that was sort of the center point of his

[00:54:24] game.

[00:54:25] Uh, and I think they all played great games with obviously

[00:54:27] they all get to the end and lose.

[00:54:28] So what I wanted to ask you guys is like in the new era

[00:54:33] lowering that threat level has been so important, but

[00:54:36] what's the point where you have to kind of like step up

[00:54:38] and maybe be the big dog in order to win that yet?

[00:54:43] I have a lot of thoughts on that because one, your big

[00:54:46] three, I love them all.

[00:54:48] I love a Xander.

[00:54:48] I love Austin.

[00:54:49] I love a Charlie.

[00:54:50] Why is that?

[00:54:52] Well, I love them.

[00:54:54] They are cool people.

[00:54:56] They also happen to be very attractive men.

[00:54:59] And I mean, if you want to have a deeper conversation, we

[00:55:01] can, because I like, I think that this is something like

[00:55:04] really interesting because I think that they all are very

[00:55:06] similar in a lot of ways.

[00:55:07] Right.

[00:55:07] And I think that I think also how they present in society

[00:55:12] is very similar.

[00:55:13] I think that in the past pre 33, we will be looking at

[00:55:21] winners, right?

[00:55:22] Like I love a Xander.

[00:55:23] I think Xander played great.

[00:55:27] You could just say Austin and I get moist.

[00:55:30] I love Charlie.

[00:55:31] Right.

[00:55:31] I think what this is showing me is that like in this new

[00:55:38] era, and I don't know if it's they need to do more,

[00:55:42] but it's like, I don't know, because I don't want to say

[00:55:47] it, but I just feel like I feel like.

[00:55:52] Yeah, I won't say what I want to say.

[00:55:53] We'll say it because I don't think anything that you

[00:55:55] say about is necessarily going to be a bad thing.

[00:55:57] It's more just like what you said back in old

[00:56:01] Survivor, these might all be winners.

[00:56:03] Now something has changed.

[00:56:05] So, okay.

[00:56:06] Not necessarily that anything's changed for this.

[00:56:08] I think it's probably changed for the better.

[00:56:10] Yes.

[00:56:10] There's something that's different.

[00:56:13] I think people played better games than them in the

[00:56:16] first, in the case of the first two.

[00:56:17] And then when it comes to Charlie, I think Charlie,

[00:56:20] I think Charlie had a real argument to win the

[00:56:22] game and he was very, very close.

[00:56:23] I also, I agree.

[00:56:25] I also feel like Austin and Xander.

[00:56:28] One thing is to go on for the same reason why

[00:56:30] Jack champions those players.

[00:56:33] That's the same reason why I champion a cube.

[00:56:36] I see my, I see myself in him.

[00:56:38] I'm glad he's out there and I want to see him do

[00:56:40] very well.

[00:56:41] Okay.

[00:56:41] That that's my stance.

[00:56:43] And that's why I think a lot of people from a

[00:56:45] lot of communities can like have many people

[00:56:49] to root for, but that's just another thing.

[00:56:53] Thank you for that.

[00:56:53] But also this is not to say that I think those

[00:56:56] guys all should have won their season.

[00:56:58] It's more about the question of, you know,

[00:57:01] threat level management.

[00:57:02] And I think they all did an excellent job at

[00:57:04] lowering their threat level.

[00:57:06] So for me, it's like in order for them to have

[00:57:08] one where, and with that discussion of threat

[00:57:11] level, where do you think, you know, for players

[00:57:14] playing going forward?

[00:57:16] And it doesn't have to be that demographic

[00:57:17] more.

[00:57:17] So just people looking to lower their threat.

[00:57:20] Well, where do you have to turn it around?

[00:57:22] Is it, is it, how do you turn it earlier?

[00:57:24] Cause there's something to be said about

[00:57:25] lowering your threat level so much that the

[00:57:27] jurors don't think they don't realize the

[00:57:30] depth of the game that you play.

[00:57:31] Specifically for Austin and Xander, they

[00:57:34] needed a little Venus energy.

[00:57:36] Like they, like they needed that.

[00:57:38] Austin was too nice, too loyal.

[00:57:41] Xander was too nice, too loyal, too amazing.

[00:57:46] Right?

[00:57:46] Like he needed, he needed, like, I mean,

[00:57:48] he didn't meet, he didn't know me at that

[00:57:50] point in time.

[00:57:50] Right.

[00:57:51] Uh, and yeah, they just, they needed to,

[00:57:55] you know, they needed to, and I think that

[00:58:00] giving just the landscape of a lot of

[00:58:02] different things going on, it's just so much.

[00:58:04] But I specifically for Austin and Xander,

[00:58:06] right?

[00:58:07] Like I think that they play great games.

[00:58:08] I feel like you're right.

[00:58:09] Like they mitigated their threat level.

[00:58:11] They kind of like fell to the, like,

[00:58:13] you know, play their game.

[00:58:14] But at some time, what Kendrick say,

[00:58:16] sometimes you gotta pop out.

[00:58:18] Uh, you gotta pop out.

[00:58:21] You got a Liz Wilcoxum, you gotta Venus them.

[00:58:25] And I think that they again, played this

[00:58:28] humble, attractive, talented, sexy at the time,

[00:58:37] long hair, soft, hard hands game that won my

[00:58:42] heart.

[00:58:43] But I think because.

[00:58:47] Jury management and different things, their

[00:58:49] stories don't sound the same as someone else's

[00:58:52] story.

[00:58:53] I think in Xander's case, he was coded.

[00:58:58] I think, um, I think everyone knew, I think

[00:59:00] everyone knew he had an idol.

[00:59:02] And I think that his story was not going to

[00:59:05] resonate with that jury at that time period.

[00:59:08] When it comes to Austin, what was it?

[00:59:10] Four to six.

[00:59:11] I think that in his, he played, he played

[00:59:14] a game that was as close to what, because

[00:59:16] with one flip of a boat, that is what a four

[00:59:20] and Jake is the tie breaking vote.

[00:59:22] I think that also was sitting next to someone

[00:59:24] that played a superior game.

[00:59:26] But in Austin's case, he was right there.

[00:59:28] He was right there.

[00:59:30] So like in Jury's case, I think he was over

[00:59:32] the edge.

[00:59:32] I think he did play that superior game.

[00:59:35] But yeah, I feel like I did missphrase it

[00:59:37] because I do champion them, but I don't

[00:59:39] necessarily think that they all should have

[00:59:40] won.

[00:59:41] It's more about they all had that similar

[00:59:43] pattern in their game of like lowering

[00:59:45] that target level.

[00:59:46] So it's more so like what would you guys

[00:59:48] say to players?

[00:59:50] And it doesn't have to be in that

[00:59:51] demographic, but players going in who are

[00:59:52] like triple threats, who want to lower their

[00:59:55] threat level.

[00:59:56] But like you said, Bryce, what is that

[00:59:58] time to pop out and really make your

[01:00:00] mark on the game?

[01:00:02] It's still being at the end to win.

[01:00:04] Yo, Tony did it in Winners at War.

[01:00:08] Yeah, he he but also game changers

[01:00:11] lowered his threat level a lot.

[01:00:12] He walked into winners that were so

[01:00:13] different.

[01:00:14] He was a different person and he

[01:00:16] turned it on after that merge and

[01:00:19] went crazy.

[01:00:20] So like, yes, it's Bryce, I think,

[01:00:22] said it.

[01:00:22] You turn you pop out and you turn it

[01:00:24] on at the right time.

[01:00:26] You show them who you are.

[01:00:27] I think I would help.

[01:00:28] I think sometimes we we feel like we

[01:00:32] have to play this humble game.

[01:00:33] We've got to be a humble winner and

[01:00:39] get Jesse voted out at five.

[01:00:41] You know, it's such a delicate

[01:00:43] balance.

[01:00:44] It's a dance.

[01:00:46] You got to have your stars aligned

[01:00:48] because when you pop out in this new

[01:00:50] era, as soon as you pop out,

[01:00:52] whether it's you making a big move,

[01:00:54] winning too many challenges, being

[01:00:56] too personable, being too whatever,

[01:00:58] they go on snipe you.

[01:00:59] Yeah, it's a delicate dance.

[01:01:01] It's you know, it's like a budding

[01:01:03] flower.

[01:01:03] It is.

[01:01:04] And maybe that's maybe that's the

[01:01:05] lesson as to why, like we said,

[01:01:07] survivors about a lot of luck is

[01:01:09] ultimately if you're going to win,

[01:01:11] if you're going to win in like a

[01:01:12] really strong fashion, you at some

[01:01:16] point do have to stick your neck out.

[01:01:18] And thinking about like a Jesse where

[01:01:21] you know, he went out in fire making

[01:01:23] and maybe there's always

[01:01:26] inevitably going to be that one

[01:01:27] moment where you have to like clutch

[01:01:29] up and it just didn't happen where.

[01:01:31] So maybe it's like for the lesson,

[01:01:33] I guess, to answer my own question

[01:01:35] based on what you guys have said

[01:01:37] is you may you do have to get

[01:01:40] after a little bit more.

[01:01:42] And then at the end, you just

[01:01:43] clutch up with a challenge or two

[01:01:45] because maybe there's not that

[01:01:46] perfect way to position yourself

[01:01:48] in the three.

[01:01:49] And like had Charlie won that

[01:01:50] Final Four challenge.

[01:01:52] I mean, he might have been able

[01:01:53] to send Kenzie home and then win

[01:01:55] the whole thing.

[01:01:55] So really it's that close.

[01:01:57] It's that turn of events, I

[01:01:59] guess, those inflection points.

[01:02:01] But I don't know.

[01:02:02] It's an interesting because

[01:02:04] like you said, when like the

[01:02:06] new era, especially you make a

[01:02:07] big move, you're basically next.

[01:02:09] So it's like, how do you do

[01:02:11] with that resume in a fun and

[01:02:14] exciting way, but also keep

[01:02:17] your head down enough to get

[01:02:18] there. It's just such a balance.

[01:02:20] For me, it also like has to do

[01:02:22] with like not only jury

[01:02:23] management, right?

[01:02:24] Like because again, I don't want

[01:02:25] to keep going back to a

[01:02:26] quintavious, but I also think

[01:02:28] throwing a quintavious into

[01:02:29] the mix, right?

[01:02:31] It does a lot in the sense

[01:02:33] of like you're either for him

[01:02:35] or you're against him.

[01:02:37] And that alone kind of can

[01:02:39] like split jury votes, even

[01:02:41] though he's not the person

[01:02:43] that's there.

[01:02:43] Like look at Maria, like

[01:02:44] Maria saw that as something to

[01:02:46] be like, OK, he's a vote.

[01:02:48] But then quickly after she

[01:02:50] starts working with a

[01:02:51] quintavious, it's like they

[01:02:53] like, oh, they're number one,

[01:02:54] they're number two.

[01:02:54] I don't know.

[01:02:54] It's just something about a

[01:02:56] cue that I just love because

[01:02:59] I feel like you either love

[01:03:00] them, you either hate them.

[01:03:01] But I also feel like a part

[01:03:03] of some of his energy kind

[01:03:04] of transcends to the jury.

[01:03:07] That's the it's an obvious

[01:03:09] statement, but the jury is

[01:03:11] always it's always it's just

[01:03:13] that's that's another element

[01:03:15] of the luck in the game is

[01:03:16] just like the composition

[01:03:17] of the jury.

[01:03:17] Sometimes you're going to have

[01:03:18] people that are for you

[01:03:19] and sometimes you're not.

[01:03:20] And sometimes there's not

[01:03:20] anything you can really do

[01:03:21] about that.

[01:03:24] But yeah, I think so

[01:03:25] I think in a couple of

[01:03:26] minutes, but I think

[01:03:28] the two closing things

[01:03:29] I'd love to discuss

[01:03:30] are, I guess, ultimately,

[01:03:32] how do we look at

[01:03:32] Kenzie's win and also

[01:03:34] maybe just a little bit

[01:03:35] about we saw a teaser

[01:03:36] for Survival 47.

[01:03:38] I'm really excited for that.

[01:03:41] I Kenzie deserved her win.

[01:03:44] I'd say that

[01:03:45] the.

[01:03:48] The jury's decide who wins,

[01:03:50] the jurors decide who wins.

[01:03:52] They picked her.

[01:03:53] Maria had her reasons.

[01:03:54] I think Kenzie is a great winner.

[01:03:56] I think she has spunk.

[01:03:58] I think she like in

[01:04:00] her confession, she

[01:04:01] talked her trash.

[01:04:02] I am happy for a Kenzie win.

[01:04:03] Yeah.

[01:04:05] I've always said I don't

[01:04:08] anybody that gets to the end

[01:04:09] and can get the votes

[01:04:10] they won.

[01:04:11] She had an uphill battle.

[01:04:13] She played a great game.

[01:04:17] Might not be some of the game

[01:04:19] that some of the survivor,

[01:04:20] you know, know it all love.

[01:04:22] But listen, she got to the end

[01:04:23] and she got votes.

[01:04:25] And last time,

[01:04:26] last time I checked,

[01:04:28] that's how you win survivor.

[01:04:30] And so who does the Kenzie?

[01:04:31] But again, I say every year.

[01:04:35] There is a winner of survivor

[01:04:37] and then there's the people's

[01:04:38] winner of survivor.

[01:04:39] And so just to I just

[01:04:42] hope that Charlie keeps his head up

[01:04:44] and knows that the survivor

[01:04:46] community loves champions him.

[01:04:48] I think that he's amazing.

[01:04:49] I think that Dr.

[01:04:50] Maria is amazing.

[01:04:52] I think that we have

[01:04:54] so many great people.

[01:04:55] Ben is amazing, so I love this.

[01:04:56] Yeah.

[01:04:58] Yeah.

[01:04:59] Can I get one quick line about

[01:05:00] Charlie?

[01:05:01] The way he received information

[01:05:03] on in the after show

[01:05:06] is so respectable

[01:05:07] and commendable

[01:05:08] and the way he gave credit to

[01:05:11] Kenzie

[01:05:12] the I you know, Charlie,

[01:05:13] you know, we love you.

[01:05:15] Great job.

[01:05:16] I have so much respect

[01:05:17] for how you handled

[01:05:19] more insanely,

[01:05:21] just a very gracious

[01:05:22] like loss and

[01:05:24] that's the ultimate thing.

[01:05:25] I mean, Kenzie had a stellar social

[01:05:26] game going into the finale.

[01:05:28] I really thought there was a good

[01:05:29] chance that maybe Charlie went out

[01:05:30] like four and then Kenzie

[01:05:32] has a really, really,

[01:05:33] really well earned

[01:05:34] deserving victory for me.

[01:05:35] I was shocked that

[01:05:37] Kenzie did win over Charlie.

[01:05:39] That doesn't still take away

[01:05:40] from the fact that she also played

[01:05:41] a very solid game to me.

[01:05:42] It wasn't at that same level,

[01:05:44] but it's still a solid game.

[01:05:46] Hopefully now that Charlie's

[01:05:48] going to be a lawyer,

[01:05:48] he sees some better juries

[01:05:50] in his career.

[01:05:52] Can I just talk real quick?

[01:05:53] The one thing that I loved,

[01:05:55] loved, loved,

[01:05:56] loved, loved about Charlie

[01:05:59] because I feel like you don't hear

[01:06:00] this a lot in the new era.

[01:06:02] I loved how Charlie was like, listen,

[01:06:05] I had played

[01:06:06] I've been out here 26 days.

[01:06:10] I'd like to get to the ends

[01:06:12] and not have to go through fire.

[01:06:14] Like, I don't know.

[01:06:15] I thought that was such a real thing

[01:06:17] to say, like, listen, my resume,

[01:06:20] my resume speak alone.

[01:06:21] Like, I feel like so

[01:06:23] many times we get here

[01:06:25] and people are like,

[01:06:26] put me in an ire.

[01:06:26] I'm in an ire.

[01:06:28] Fire making is so dumb.

[01:06:30] I agree.

[01:06:30] I agree with the center.

[01:06:31] I'm just saying in that moment,

[01:06:32] Charlie,

[01:06:34] I had to change my britches.

[01:06:37] And I'm with you because

[01:06:39] he knows that you play a really strong game.

[01:06:40] Why do you need to make it?

[01:06:41] It's just completely independent of any gameplay.

[01:06:44] Just like, can you make it?

[01:06:45] Now, I respect like if someone steps up

[01:06:47] and they know they have someone

[01:06:48] they need to take out of the game

[01:06:50] and they go and do it in fire

[01:06:52] and they can do that.

[01:06:53] That's part of the game.

[01:06:54] But it's just like, you know,

[01:06:55] Kenzie, Kenzie beating Liz in fire.

[01:06:58] I heard it took like an hour.

[01:06:59] So it's like, that's not impressive.

[01:07:01] Like, that's not like like.

[01:07:04] My question is, though,

[01:07:06] do you think if Charlie would have played fire,

[01:07:08] do you think that that would have been the

[01:07:12] possibly just because like perception wise?

[01:07:14] But and, you know, obviously,

[01:07:15] Maria credited some element of Kenzie making fire to.

[01:07:18] But, you know, I really feel like I saw some people said this.

[01:07:21] If Charlie had made fire,

[01:07:23] I feel like Maria would have been like,

[01:07:24] well, I respect that Kenzie

[01:07:26] put herself in a position

[01:07:27] where she didn't have to make fire.

[01:07:28] So something like that.

[01:07:30] But it doesn't.

[01:07:31] Maria, I know my opinion on fire is

[01:07:34] it's in. It's my own opinion.

[01:07:36] Some sometimes the jury respects the fire making,

[01:07:39] and that's just part of the game.

[01:07:40] So you can't completely write it off as a factor.

[01:07:44] But anyways, I got about two minutes.

[01:07:47] Well, how was that trailer for the trailer was amazing.

[01:07:51] I loved it.

[01:07:52] I saw some faces that I recognized.

[01:07:57] I saw some faces that I seen at a Bryson

[01:08:00] Wynn finale last season.

[01:08:02] Couple of them, I saw some faces that I know I have spoke highly of.

[01:08:09] I am very excited.

[01:08:11] I think there might be three, four, there might be five.

[01:08:14] There might be almost a whole tribes worth of like BWP alums.

[01:08:18] Let's go. That's big.

[01:08:21] That's really big.

[01:08:22] They got to throw you guys on the casting department.

[01:08:26] I'm trying to I want to be on the island like Sandra and Rob.

[01:08:29] It was fun.

[01:08:31] It was funny at that during when it played at the finale party,

[01:08:36] half the people got like big cheers.

[01:08:38] I was like, are they in the building?

[01:08:40] Like, but I guess they have been in the building.

[01:08:42] So maybe that's what it was.

[01:08:44] But it looks like I didn't see someone with the beginning of the teaser

[01:08:49] when they kind of tease, I guess, sort of an artistic element to the season.

[01:08:53] I almost thought and people said maybe there would be like

[01:08:56] it seems like there's not going to be a theme.

[01:08:58] But I was sort of hoping maybe there would be like a theme.

[01:09:00] I saw someone said maybe it was it was artists versus artisans or something.

[01:09:04] Like, I don't know.

[01:09:06] I kind of would love to have a theme again.

[01:09:08] Let's give a shout out to Asia, Asia,

[01:09:11] you need to Andy, Andy, Rome, Rome and I have a more.

[01:09:18] Are these people on the season?

[01:09:19] Yes. Yeah, we see them.

[01:09:23] We we see them.

[01:09:24] And let this lastly, let's just end this on.

[01:09:27] Let this be a reminder that you can send in a tape.

[01:09:32] You can get a call back.

[01:09:33] You could be waitlisted like.

[01:09:36] Follow your dream.

[01:09:37] You never know when the time is going to come.

[01:09:39] Keep shooting your shot.

[01:09:41] Windows sent in a hundred and thirty seven videos. Plus or minus.

[01:09:47] And I mean, not to say that this is legal.

[01:09:50] This isn't legally binding.

[01:09:52] Not to say correlation implies causation, but it seems like

[01:09:56] if you go to a bright, so when it's.

[01:09:58] I know that we were not.

[01:10:02] OK, I'll do it.

[01:10:03] But I really think season.

[01:10:06] But I was in the board, though, it's like the bright.

[01:10:09] That's what the fans really show out.

[01:10:12] Yeah. And obviously in the new era, they just love having big fans.

[01:10:15] So it's the right environment for just fine.

[01:10:20] Big survival fans.

[01:10:21] I can hear the next on fire podcast now, Jay.

[01:10:25] OK, don't don't don't Adam Klein.

[01:10:30] But no, I think there is some truth to that.

[01:10:33] What you're saying, Jack, in the sense of I feel like our parties

[01:10:36] look like actual seasons, the makeup, the diversity of the people,

[01:10:41] the age range, it's just a melting pot of amazing this.

[01:10:46] And so yeah, it's the epitome of everything that we love about survive.

[01:10:51] But obviously, again, that was the actual no correlation.

[01:10:55] That was obviously a joke.

[01:10:56] But it is fun to see that people that are showing out

[01:11:00] are really showing out to Fiji now.

[01:11:03] So yes. But yeah, I got to run.

[01:11:07] It's been a great season.

[01:11:08] We will see you in the fall, maybe sooner with some other

[01:11:12] great quick, quick question.

[01:11:15] How sorry.

[01:11:17] How do we rank 46 among the new era overall?

[01:11:24] How many of the errors do we have that we're including?

[01:11:27] So this is what?

[01:11:28] 41 through 46, let's say.

[01:11:31] How does it stack up for you?

[01:11:34] Best of the new era for entertainment.

[01:11:36] OK, lower third in the new era for a game play.

[01:11:42] Game play. OK, I think I'm going to go with that.

[01:11:44] I would agree with that for me.

[01:11:46] Forty six and forty five are close and they both in their own right

[01:11:51] have different things that I love about them.

[01:11:54] But yeah, undoubtedly, 46 was wildly entertaining,

[01:11:57] even though for me, the finale.

[01:12:00] Wasn't exactly what I wanted, but that's it's not it's not about me.

[01:12:05] Well, there's always season forty several right around the corner,

[01:12:09] and we'll be back to cover that.

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