Purple Pants Podcast | Split The Vote: Trust Hotel

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[00:01:14] Split the Vote! Split the Vote! beautiful creative mood in this episode as always I'm joined by my co-host Rob who's not from New

[00:01:41] York but well actually he is from New York but he's here on the podcast with us Rob how's it going I'm doing good Tim yeah uh sorry about my week off and everything but I know last episode was a phenomenal one pretty jealous of uh you being able to talk with Carla and everything too so I'm just happy I'm here now yeah I'm glad you're here too and then last week was really great really great catching up with Carla talking about so many different things just related to Survivor I

[00:02:09] absolutely loved it and I'm excited to talk about this episode I want to start off by saying this episode was a little bit of a change from what we've seen before but also not the same it's like if you ever been to a barbershop you get a haircut and then you're like you know what I'm gonna try something risky I'm gonna like get a little bit shorter and then nobody can tell the difference

[00:02:36] that's kind of what this episode feels like because it is different but it's also a little bit of the same but I really enjoyed it watched it last night um in my apartment had my sushi as always and had my little survival ritual enjoying it uh how did you enjoy the episode just thoughts overall yeah so my brother just graduated from the university or Syracuse University so he was back home so it was pretty cool just being able to watch the episode with the family together but yeah coming

[00:03:06] into the episode one of the things I was really watching out for was like maybe what's been dubbed Survivor Chicken basically who's going to make the first big move and really shift the direction of the end game ever since the majority alliance locked things down we haven't really seen anyone take that risk or shake things up and we haven't so like I was just coming into the episode

[00:03:31] just hoping wondering is is this finally the moment where someone flinches and someone takes a swing and flips the script and that tension that build up that we've really felt the last few episodes like just really had me dialed it in just hoping that this was finally going to be the episode and it was it was the moment we've been waiting for where players were at least ripping off the chains partially taking the tape off their mouth stepping into the game with some fire and that energy

[00:03:57] shifted from my perspective I guess we can uh agree to disagree but yeah dude I'm ready to talk about the episode yeah I'm super excited too and it does feel like a Survivor quick draw where it's Shaheen on one end of this island and then there's Kyle on the other end and it really is only room for one of them going forward because Joe is at this crossroads he's like something isn't right somebody's lying

[00:04:23] and I don't know who let me tell you something what happened recently right I'm having a conversation with one of my friends and we're talking about one of our old classmates just saying oh like I see they're doing great now and all of a sudden a day later we both got added to their close friends and we're like that's suspicious like I don't know what's going on but it's something weird happening

[00:04:51] here I don't know if it was a coincidence or not or I don't know if it was somebody plotting or my enemy's plotting as Star has said before so I feel like Joe is also in this position in place of like I don't know which person is lying but somebody's lying and something's not right so I thought that was pretty interesting yeah the spot that Joe is in right now is not an easy one he's

[00:05:17] really trying to decipher the truth in the middle of a game full of paranoia just shifting agendas and players who are all trying to spin things their way and the thing is like both sides of Kyle and Shaheen make complete sense which makes this part of the state of the stage of the game so difficult yeah I really feel like when it comes to the people that are left in the game you know this is final six

[00:05:45] essentially in some ways last chance to make a move it does feel like it is a race at arms for who's going to be able to pull it off first but I think the difference here is Kyle has Camilla Shaheen doesn't have a Camilla in the game he didn't have a duo we didn't see it happen in the pre-merge and I feel like if there was a final six like this

[00:06:15] but it was three pairs of two I think it would have been completely different for Shaheen's game but when you have somebody working with you like a Camilla for Kyle it's as if it's a 2v1 which it is in this situation for Shaheen sorry but yeah I want to talk a little bit about the reward because Shaheen actually won it not to my surprise because I always felt like he could do it

[00:06:43] but what was interesting that happened during the episode in this reward specifically Joe dropped with Eva I was confused when I saw it I was like why did you drop because I knew it wasn't for immunity it was just for a reward right but you still should want to win the reward so you could bring Eva with you it doesn't make sense for you to drop just because she dropped it's like

[00:07:10] oh I'm gonna drop two out of solidarity no you need to win that reward challenge and take me two if I was Eva in that position I'm like why would you drop it just didn't make sense to me I think it I definitely agree too because the reward this it's a reward challenge it's not for immunity you can't put yourself out there and try to win every single challenge he's already been dubbed a challenge that he's won three individual immunities up until this point so why not try to win another

[00:07:39] challenge I think maybe the one thing I can think of for like why one person might drop from this challenge is the weight that you carry when making the decision of who are you going to bring and then give that person their loved one's letter that that's it's huge reward it's the biggest reward of the season and I I guess I understand why maybe a player might not want to be the person in that driver's

[00:08:05] making that decision depriving those letters from everyone else on the beach like I think I would rather get picked for this reward rather than having to be the one to deprive that reward from others yeah I know that he has this alliance so maybe he's thinking okay if somebody in my alliance wins at the very least they're going to pick people from this alliance but what if that doesn't happen I don't know if

[00:08:29] it's like operating from a sense of not entitlement per se but a sense of okay predictability like this is actually going to happen but what if they don't what if Shaheen would have picked Kyle and Camilla or Kyle and Eva and it's like I don't get to hear from my family and because the game happens over the course of 26 days not even counting the days that happen when you have to go to the island itself and

[00:08:58] quarantine for a little bit and you know all the pregame time as well you haven't heard from these people like you haven't heard from your loved ones and as someone who's a little bit far away from my folks now but still am able to call them FaceTime them I would want to get those letters I would want to guarantee that I absolutely without a doubt get my letter and I might just rub people the wrong way

[00:09:23] when I have to choose between who else gets their letter so you mentioned Joe dropping right after Eva dropped from the challenge did you make of anything from that moment because it was hard for me to decipher like why he made that choice yeah I don't think it was anything strategic I just think again it was an act of solidarity Joe and Eva are super close and that's no secret on the

[00:09:49] island for anybody is no secret for viewers from what we're being shown so it just seemed like another moment of those two being entangled together in some ways in Survivor 48 and like you said you mentioned that Shaheen won right so and he ends up picking Joe and Kyle for the reward so what did you make of that decision to bring along those two people yeah I definitely think it was more so like a

[00:10:18] sentimental like heartfelt just human decision for him to make somebody who has kids I don't think anyone else from the players that's left have kids and then Kyle just happened to be getting married soon so that's someone else who is especially someone who might be more likely on the surface to want their

[00:10:44] letter more than not wanted more than other people but it gives you more of an incentive to give them their letter than say someone who might just hear from their parents or someone who might just hear from maybe friends or cousin or anything like that but I definitely wish and I miss the family visits themselves I always cry at the family visits and even though family letters they've gotten me to

[00:11:12] in the new era some of the family letters and moments they're really gotten to me but I feel like it's nothing like hearing Jeff say you know you're missing family Rob you're you're missing your brother CJ you know CJ come on in it's just like you know it's like that that's such a beautiful and powerful moment for me to see family members reconnect on the island and that is something I miss and I'm hoping there's a

[00:11:39] possibility it comes back some way in the future even if it's like a FaceTime I do I hope they bring it back for season 50 I think the last time what we saw the loved ones visit was 40 which was a returning season of all winners so like why can't we see the loved ones come back for one of the biggest seasons of survivors like season 50 right come on Jeff like bring back the loved ones yeah and I think about

[00:12:06] because I'm re-watching some of the older seasons right sometimes it was like the recorded video message that players get to see back when like the internet was just starting up I would love to see something beyond the handwritten letters because the handwritten letters are amazing too but I want to add to it let's bring a little technology into it too let's like really hit the fields like if we're in

[00:12:29] the fields let's go even deeper into the fields but yeah he picks Joe and he picks Kyle and they have a pretty good time and I'm happy that they got their letters and it was really beautiful to hear Shaheen talk about like his mom uh as well so yeah definitely agree like I didn't think there were any real surprises with the decision that Shaheen made I think it made a lot of sense strategically like

[00:12:55] with Joe we've seen how deeply connected he is to his family like you mentioned and this reward gave us even more insight into that especially with him opening up about his sister who passed away and getting those letters from home clearly meant a lot to him and from a game perspective it only strengthens that bond between Joe and Shaheen but there is that added risk that Shaheen just gave Joe some fuel heading into the next immunity challenge after feeding him but the payoff and loyalty

[00:13:21] and that connectedness was really what Shaheen was probably considering from in that moment and as for Kyle I think it was a pretty smart decision for Shaheen to bring him to especially if Shaheen viewed Kyle as that key swing vote that golden piece that he really needed to finally flip the game in Shaheen's direction then fluffing him up a bit with that food and comfort is definitely like a calculated

[00:13:45] and necessary move and I think it gave him the time and the space to really consider that now did it did it come to fruition everything like I don't know about that but uh it definitely was the right idea for Shaheen yeah and speaking of right ideas Camilla is ready to go she's like now is the time to make a move but it feels like to me Kyle is just slow balling her he's stopping her shine in a lot of different ways

[00:14:12] she really wants to get out Joe rightfully so I think Joe is one of the obstacles to Camilla potentially winning but also think Kyle is another obstacle even though they've been working together the whole time I really feel like Kyle is somewhat of a barrier for her ability to ability to make the moves against

[00:14:35] Joe and Eva that she really wants to in this moment so for example right if Camilla this episode when Joe won immunity which we'll get to also if she's like okay Shaheen okay Mitch us three we're gonna vote for Joe and Eva and Kyle will just have to flip to go to rocks or flip to avoid going for rocks

[00:15:01] Mitch and Shaheen they might not have stuck to it entirely but at least it's a effort that's being shown to the jury that hey I tried or hey we tried but Kyle is in the way Kyle is also working with them really closely and I think a move like that even if it ultimately fails at the end would go a longer

[00:15:24] way for the jury I definitely see what you're saying where it's like Kyle is in the way of Camilla just being able to make it to the end and to have the those moves like what you're referencing but I think Camilla can like like Kyle Kyle has to be a part of that for Camilla without Kyle Camilla really can't do anything in this game and I think that's why like we've been talking about timing like

[00:15:50] when to make these moves in the game and this episode was really the first time that Kyle and Camilla held power in numbers that genuinely rivaled the original Loggie alliance now like for sure like on paper when you had Kyle Camilla Mitch Mary and Star that did technically like outnumber the original Loggie core earlier on but they didn't have what really matters in Survivor which is like tightness that connectedness the kind of trust that like really comes from real bonds and when players you know

[00:16:20] like say loyalty on the island like let's be real like it's not loyalty like loyalty doesn't exist in big groups it shows up in small pockets in those duos in those trios where trust is really built over shared experience and time and I think that's why Kyle didn't feel comfortable to make those moves like with Camilla Camilla like earlier on like at final eight and final seven because if he had it would

[00:16:46] have triggered like that scramble where he couldn't fully control the game he didn't have those solid allies who he could definitely vote with him once that chaos started he had Camilla but you have other piranhas just trying to feast in the game and I think a lot of his game would have just been lost just because of that lack of control but now at six it's a completely different story where you can finally use

[00:17:12] that connection with Camilla and take advantage of Mitch who's in a vulnerable position too yeah and I think they do pull it off super massively again we saw earlier in the season with the Thomas blind side and they do it again what I thought was super interesting was how Camilla essentially is just backing up Kyle's lie Kyle's like yeah Shaheen has this idol Joe you better watch out it's time to get

[00:17:37] him out of the game and Camilla's like yeah he showed me the idol it was like bees and for them to be able to go back and forth together using the same lie with Joe thinking that they're on opposite sides of the game so two truths equal Shaheen's one lie that doesn't exist but speaking of when Camilla was

[00:18:05] lying to Joe earlier we saw a limb fall almost laying on top of Camilla and I'm thinking in my head I'm like Joe if you've ever been one of those people like if I'm lying lightning strike me right now and it's like Camilla didn't say that but a tree almost struck her I feel like that was the survivor guys telling Joe like hey she's lying we're gonna like almost drop this tree on her so you know who's

[00:18:33] telling the truth who's not and it was kind of dangerous but a little funny moment that I was like Joe telepathically in the past through time just like take it take it as a sign Camilla's lying to you yeah Joe wasn't he was listening for the facts right and that but he wasn't just listening for the facts he's listening and looking for the emotion on the players but that's a big sign and big bold letters

[00:18:59] right in front of him right um but like at like tribal council and even leading up like he wanted to see who was cracking who was breaking that eye contact just trying to figure out like who's telling me the truth right now because I know someone someone's playing the game and it's just it's unraveling right now and he's studying Kyle Shaheen Camilla just trying to read that raw human response to his questioning because at this point of the game that might be the only thing you got left but

[00:19:29] like I mentioned before like his Joe's spot is not an easy one right now because you have to decipher that truth in the middle of the game like full of paranoia and I might be jumping ahead a little bit but it I was thinking about like what would I maybe do if I'm Joe and I'm trying to figure out what's going on in the game like with in regards to that like real raw human response and I I think

[00:19:54] there was a pretty clear move that could have been made by Joe and Eva which was to split the vote at tribal council if you know or at least like believe that you've got Kyle Camilla and Mitch voting together everyone on the same page then use that to your advantage force the tie between Mitch and Shaheen because that gives you the chance to see Shaheen's authentic reaction and then in between

[00:20:21] that initial vote and the revote like you can question him see what he says under pressure and get that answer in the moment that real raw human response and I I think because leading up the tribal council everyone is playing they're playing their survivor poker game and you you don't know the cards that everyone's holding but when everyone sees their name written on that parchment and you're in a tie like the truth the truth is being spilled and Shaheen's whole game is coming out then so if you really

[00:20:48] want to know his answers Kyle's answers how people are going to respond I think that was a big missed opportunity to really understand the truth about what was going on during the vote. Camilla said it herself earlier in the episode she's like they're just sitting there they're not doing nothing and earlier in the episode Shaheen is like yeah I could beat Joe easily it's Kyle that I think is my

[00:21:14] biggest competition at this point so it's a little inverse of what we're being shown as viewers what we're seeing it's like we're being led to believe that Joe is like the top dog Joe and Eva are like this power duo that needs to be stopped immediately because they do hold a lot of power they hold advantages but from the player standpoint it seems like they're not worried I wonder if it's because

[00:21:40] they don't see them as jury threats I wonder if they think that their gameplay just hasn't been super stellar super flashy with big moves and it really makes me wonder what they're thinking in these moments especially because if we look at the history of the new era juries they want those big moves they want

[00:22:04] those blind sides they want something so flashy and different and you know on your survivor resume not to bring that back because I actually don't like that term but it seems like people thought this jury would have been different but I don't think they're gonna be different from the juries that we've seen before in the new era I don't think they're gonna care about loyalty because the people that are on the

[00:22:31] jury happen to be the people that were victims of that loyalty like David was literally blindsided Shaheen in this moment is literally blindsided so I don't think loyalty is gonna be or loyalty to the strong alliance is gonna be the winning factor for them if Shaheen even him is thinking like Joe and Eva again

[00:22:59] aren't threats you know if we're getting rid of survivor resumes maybe we gotta get rid of loyalty in the game of survivor right like what I had just mentioned that I don't think loyalty isn't really like an aspect in survivor I think it's more about that tightness connectedness that really shows up in the small pockets like do you think loyalty still exists in survivor or is it just branded as loyalty with

[00:23:27] deeper meanings and attachments or just added to it what do you think I don't think it's loyalty and survivor I think it's trust and I think those are different loyalty to me seems devout it seems like you are my ride or die no matter what happens I'm never ever flipping on you I will always vote for you

[00:23:49] in the end versus something like trust is like I'm with you we are on the same page I trust you to tell me the truth I trust you to work together with me on this project on this move on whatever the case may be and this could be just like a hotel where it's like you can get a hotel for a day and you can check out

[00:24:12] or you can go to this trust hotel you can stay there for a whole like month make it an Airbnb if you want to and I think that's what we're going into in survivor and I think that's what a jury will ultimately care about is that trust was the trust broken was the trust leveraged you can't really say oh yeah I leveraged loyalty it doesn't ring the same as I leverage trust so I think it's all about

[00:24:41] framing and I think because of that in survivor what I'm seeing is viewers like trust is more important than loyalty and I think loyalty is something that could be negative for your game yeah it just has that negative connotation for sure I really do like that trust hotel I think it's so accurate though because you can it really and I think I really connect with the

[00:25:11] trust hotel because it's all about yes you can believe the words that another player is like approaching you with just telling you like hey I'm gonna vote with you and everything like that but you're only gonna believe that person if you think their position in the game makes sense with like those decisions that you're making and the words that you're saying to them so I think I think you have to trust the position of the other player in front of you and that allows players to kind of come in

[00:25:39] and out of that hotel door yeah when you even think about how loyalty can be seen as you're just somebody's lapdog you're just playing the game or you're not even playing the game I think for instance of Sue from last season who was super loyal which was the game that she played that got her to the very

[00:26:02] end but it also was the game that didn't get the chance to give her any votes it seems like loyalty might be a factor that gets other people on this season as finalists zero votes potentially because again you're loyal but it's like it's not to quote

[00:26:24] mary outwit outplay out loyal is i'll play outlast you have to play you have to outwit and kyle and camilla are doing the outwitting joe and eva to me are doing the outloyaling which is not on that little criteria you can see it behind me um i think yeah okay so this this is like a little this is something i've been thinking about for like just

[00:26:50] reflecting on for a while now just because you bring up uh like joe and eva and kyle camilla like really playing like their game right but i've been thinking about how each player has approached like the strategy side of the game just based on the position that they're in and for a while and fans and myself included right we're saying like this season is boring like i want the game to shake up and i want the chaos and like don't get me wrong like i still love the unpredictability the constant shifting that makes

[00:27:16] survivor what it is i love seeing players like adapt evolve just to the changing dynamics of the tribe but like when i think about it more i don't think i really want but like what i really wanted was just change for change's sake and what i really wanted was for players to really play their position as well as possible and i think that's really what has impressed me with joe eva shaheen kyle and camilla

[00:27:42] to this point of the game because they understood their place and their assignment and i think they've played it so well to this point in the season and the players that have frustrated me is the ones who are on the bottom just not really responding with the same amount of urgency like mitch star married to a certain point of the game but i i just been waiting for that push from those players and we just haven't

[00:28:09] really seen it too yeah and i really think about how each player stands as we go into this end game and what their history of moves in the season has looked like and what their positions have been across all of these tribes and all of these rounds that they've been a part of and to me it seems like

[00:28:36] for instance if we're going one by one like mitch for instance he was always in a relatively good spot not someone on the outs of his starting tribe not someone on the outs of a swap tribe nor was he really on the outs at any point it seems during the first half of merge when he had his more members

[00:29:02] of his original tribe he just chose to you know vote some of them off of the game when we look at someone like camilla she's been in some ways at the bottom across the merge and even in the swap time of the pre-merge she was potentially on the bottom she put herself there as a facade to allow her to be

[00:29:27] more fluid in the kind of game that she could play by playing with people on the bottom while having connections to the people at the top flipping the script kyle seemingly almost at the top the entire time had an idol during the pre-merge that he worked with camilla to figure out he had good connections

[00:29:50] with his original tribe going into merge he's one immunity he's found himself in this strong alliance with people that aren't even from his original tribe as well he's someone i think is at the top in some ways or has always been there when you think about joe again his one immunity connected to his original tribe but seems like his place at the top is kind of falling a little bit from grace

[00:30:18] in that he's being outwitted unbeknownst to him that these moves are happening that these schemes are being schemed eva eva has just had advantages one of which was given to her and i don't think it was a social game benefit that she was giving it well i don't think it's to the benefit of her social game i think it was just star attempted to make a social move giving her the idol so i don't think eva really

[00:30:49] was ever at the bottom but she was never really in my eyes at the top she was more so just there if i'm looking at it from what we've been seeing and it never seemed like it was from her own actions and decisions per se but more so the web in which she just happened to be entangled

[00:31:16] on i'm thinking about how the game would have been different if her and joe weren't on the same starting tribe what else could have happened from the gameplay that we've been seeing as evident in this season so far so looking at all of these people i'm thinking about

[00:31:38] who has done what and that's my survey so far for the okay well i i gotta ask but going into the finale how do you think these players stack up against each other do you have like a power rankings right now maybe yeah i think right now my power rank would be hmm in terms of actual win equity or tim win equity tim win equity being who i really really really really really want to win

[00:32:07] and winner equity being who actually might win i think let's combine them combine them you know if we're combining them then i think kyle is at the top for me because kyle is someone who i also really want to win is somebody who i think actually has a really great chance of winning he has that connection with camilla again and he has good connections with people that are being put on

[00:32:34] the jury next under that no surprise is camilla i feel like camilla is someone who hasn't really been shown a whole bunch but has this great strategic mind is a great liar has actually worked with people that have been on the bottom and being put on the jury and hasn't really had to burn people necessarily

[00:32:58] right under that is joe joe has been super dominant in these challenges he has established this loyalty alliance that people just fail right under two and followed and actually has a social game from his connection to kyle his connection to eva he had a connection with joe not joe sorry joe

[00:33:22] had a connection with shaheen um and david as well at some point but it seemed like he's my number three because these things are kind of not going in the greatest direction for him then we have eva who has had a lot of power through advantages yeah and mitch who i think from what we're seeing is

[00:33:45] having a rough time with really getting his foot in a door in a way that makes him stand out against all the other players that are left in the game yeah i i see it pretty similarly but slightly different i do think how the game is going to be played it's going to be very dependent on immunity wins and just who precedes the next vote but going

[00:34:13] into the finale and how the players stack up i do see kyle as the top dog in this tribe right now and then i see joe being the next favorite after kyle i think if joe were to get to the end in the way that he probably would which would be next to eva and then if he wants to bring mitch along i think that puts joe in a lot better of a position to just take out kyle and camilla then but who knows if he

[00:34:39] has just his favors indebted to the others but yeah so i see kyle as the top dog joe is number two and then i see camilla as the number three option going into the finale and then eva and mitch rounding out the final two spots cool yeah well speaking about rounding out in final spots personally i think it's

[00:35:03] time to give out a torture award would you agree definitely all right it's time for the tortures so every episode rob and i have the torture awards where we hand out an award to a player of our choice now this player could be a player who is someone you really like someone who made a big move or you could just randomly give this award to someone but i want to start off with the only two nominees in my

[00:35:31] opinion from this episode kyle and camilla ultimately i think i'm going to give my award to kyle this episode kyle planted the seeds previously kyle has been so connected to the vital players that compose this final six

[00:35:54] and i don't see a world in which kyle is voted out i think the only way kyle doesn't get to the final tribal council at this point is if he loses fire against joe or against eva or against camilla if it comes down to them facing off against each other so for those reasons i say kyle

[00:36:18] yeah uh those are the same two nominees i got for my torture award this week too and i am also going with kyle who pretty much won the bout of survivor chicken between him and shaheen and i think that's what really gives him the margin over camilla too exactly what you said where he's been the one driving the game delivering information back and forth between the alliances he's been the real player in the middle of the game and just by the way things have shaken up he's on top and i think

[00:36:47] he's got a really good shot and uh just heading into this finale yeah absolutely so shout out to kyle for being our torture award winner this episode but rob i do want to talk a little bit about shayeen's game i think shayeen played a really great game so i being a nerd made this chart of like

[00:37:09] survivor 48 players with pokemon types and in that post uh on my instagram i put shaheen as a dark fighting type now for folks who don't know about pokemon or thinking tim you are being extremely nerdy right now which you are right i'll explain a little bit so i say this because i always viewed shayeen is capable of both being mischievous as someone who could scheme as someone who could lie someone who

[00:37:39] could blindside i mean according to kyle he did the worst thing ever he checked kyle's bag so that's the dark but then you also have the fighting where he's been loyal to this alliance where he's had conversations with people have been straight up with them where he's really been putting his mind and mouth with his pen and voting out the people that are opposed to the people that he wants to

[00:38:06] protect he picked joe to go on this reward when joe has been an immunity beast so far this season so he's not to quote hannah montana he's like the best of both worlds and at this point of the game is just kyle and camilla got the best of him but i do think he captured so many different aspects of

[00:38:33] the game of survivor and just had so much range in the kind of gameplay that he could have potentially put down for survivor 48 i i think he was maybe the best for confessionalist too of this season i really enjoyed having shaheen i mean he was my winner pick like i i believed in this guy but he i've never had i think a winner pick actually do oh no he was my winner pick i we we talked about this

[00:39:00] before yes for me in the draft right now that's what i saw down you you picked him before me oh yeah okay okay yeah uh yeah but you also took him for me in our in our podcast draft too right yeah yeah yeah so we we both got our our share of shaheen and everything like that but uh but yeah no uh he played the game so well i'm happy with how he played his position the one the one thing i've been

[00:39:26] thinking about is really like was shaheen wrong to talk to kyle about going for joe and eva on the reward and in short i don't think he was wrong but if you're shaheen and you're going to open up that can of worms and talk about voting out your allies you gotta shove like you gotta like start playing that card and just like push all your chips into the basket and i think that's where he kind of

[00:39:54] slipped up where he tested the waters with kyle floating out eva but then backed off and that hesitation like that killed his momentum in the game if he wasn't willing to commit when that opportunity is there and windows close fast in this game and other players strike and like you said camilla and kyle just got the best of him at the end of the game but it's still great to have him

[00:40:17] yeah i think he really was just at an impasse in this final six round because the only way he gets past it in my opinion is if he wins immunity because he would need at least four just to make it right and that's him that's mitch he can't go to camilla because camilla is going to tell kyle he can't go to kyle because kyle is going to tell camilla and also maybe joe and flip it on you he can't go to eva

[00:40:45] because eva's always going to be with joe he can't go to joe and say let's vote out eva because again they're linked together so this little map and scheme of connections just turned into a spiderweb that entangled shaheen into this final six spot not uh easily because he did try to play but ultimately he did get him again just shout out to shaheen but i have to give a shout out to

[00:41:12] our question that we got in this week's male vote roll the clip all right so chris asks what was the first season of survivor that you ever watched and how does that specific season rank compared to what you've seen since rob what was the first season of survivor that you watched and

[00:41:38] how does it rank all right so uh the first season that i ever watched was heroes versus villains which was one of the best seasons uh tough timing because i had no idea the concept of survivor anything that was really happening so i mean that's the best season of all time in my book so that you can't top heroes versus villains but my appreciation for that season i feel like it could

[00:42:04] have been more if someone just introduced me to other seasons before watching that one but no season's ever gonna top heroes versus villains for me yeah i remember watching blood versus water as my first season blood versus water one with brad and monica and the other players that composed

[00:42:28] that season i was 13 had never seen a whole season of survivor before i just remember seeing clips and little snippets from walking by in the living room i would say blood versus water for me it's kind of in the middle somewhere it's not at the tippy top of my rankings because amongst that is like david versus goliath for me but it's it's somewhere in the middle it's a little bit murky for me so i would

[00:42:56] put it maybe in like my top 25 seasons that i've seen but thanks again for the question yeah i think i might go top 10 maybe for blood versus water i'd really have to figure out every single season and rank them but i could see a top 10 top 15 finisher for them yeah not bad seasons at all not bad well

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