Purple Pants Podcast | Legends, Twists, and Tea: The Survivor 50 Cast Reveal

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[00:00:55] Hello, hello, and welcome to the Purple Pants Podcast Survivor News Edition. I serve as your humble and oh-so-gracious host, Bryce Isaiah, and I thank you so much for tuning into our special edition of Survivor News 50. If you could be so kind to ensure you are subscribed to the Purple Pants Podcast, and as always with your Survivor News, you can watch this audio podcast on video. Head over to the Bryce Isaiah YouTube channel, click subscribe,

[00:01:24] give this video a thumbs up, and let us know in the comments what you think about this special 50 episode. Wendell Jack and I had to come back together for Survivor News. CBS this Wednesday recently dropped the cast of Survivor 50. Wendell Jack and I are giving our takes on what we think about the players, the potential or the possible or who are going to be from 49, what we think about 48, what we think about old school, new school.

[00:01:52] We are breaking it all down, so let's get into this Survivor News.

[00:02:24] And we are back with your Survivor News. The Survivor streets are rumbling from my bedroom of me and Ozzy. But outside of that, Survivor 50 cast has officially dropped, and your baby boys are here to break it down. You thought we would leave you? Let's welcome back to the podcast the first merge boots of Winners at War and the winners of Ghost Island.

[00:02:53] When DZ Holland was popping with you, I am back. I'm ready to go. I'm excited to talk about 50. The Survivor streets are buzzing. Oh, buzzing they are. And from the West Coast to the East Coast, we have the baby boy, Jack Emily Atkins from The Circle Season 2. Jack was popping. I just got a call yesterday. I got cut from 50.

[00:03:26] Now, okay, well, let's just jump right on into this, because I was, you know me, I was on the phone with Wendell earlier. How shocked were you to hear that Penner was cut last minute? I don't know. I don't know. My shock levels, I don't know. But my disappointment levels, definitely high. I wish we would have had Penner. There's a lot of snubs, I think, for this cast that we'll get into.

[00:03:52] But overall, you know, the cast can't be perfect in everybody's eyes. You can't make everybody happy. And overall, I'm optimistic. I think there's a lot of people that I'm really excited to see back. I'm really excited to see certain people interact with each other. I think there's the foundation here for a good season. And, of course, there's a couple other favorites I have that I wish were there. But, you know, you can't have it all. You can't have it all. Okay. What was your guys' reaction?

[00:04:23] I was about to ask Swindeezy that, because you want me to give my reaction first, Swindeezy? Or what, you want to go? Well, I'll go ahead. I'll go. So my baseline is, if I'm looking at this cast, I'm happy. I think it's going to be a fun, entertaining season. I'm saying that off rip. Like, yes, there are some favorites that we'd say got snubbed or some people we really wanted. But just looking at this cast, I'm like,

[00:04:52] I'm excited to see this group of people play with each other. It spans the whole, you know, the whole however many years Survivor's been going on. It's a big chunk, though. But, you know, it does span the whole... Yeah. Yeah, they missed, what was it? Like, from 18 to, like, 35, they were like one person or something like that. But overall, when I look at this group, I'm like, wow, there are so many people that I want to see and see them interact with each other and stuff, so I'm happy.

[00:05:23] But I'm sure we'll get into the other things that we are so happy about. Well, if you're asking me, I think, again, looking at this cast, I'm excited. As a Survivor fan, seeing these people, I'm excited. What I don't love or did not love, I didn't love the rollout of this cast, right? Like, I didn't love the, it felt very forced. Season 48 just ended.

[00:05:53] Where's the hype around season 49? It's like, y'all just skipped 49 and jumped to 50. And then with CBS releasing this image, if you're watching on YouTube, I feel like, Jack, did you make this image? Like, I feel like it just seemed like... You don't need to get tricky on the image, Tom. They gotta use tricky. And who made the logo for this season? That's maybe the worst part. Apparently, this is the actual logo.

[00:06:23] And not just some, like, you know, little teaser logo. This is, like, the season logo. And it looks like something I made on clip art back in elementary school. I mean... And what determined, are these all the cast photos exactly? Or, like, what made them choose... Right. Yeah, you got Ozzy's high school graduation photo up there. I think they put the graphic design for this season in the hands of the fans. Okay.

[00:06:52] But I know, I wouldn't even say that. Because in the hands of the fans, the fans would have turned out something better than this. Right? And so, that is just my only gripe with this season. I don't love the rollout. Like, y'all could have waited a week until y'all had them out there. And, like, had them all wear tan. And just, I don't know. Just the rollout for me could have been a lot better. It just seemed rushed. Like, they were like, oh, we gotta get it out there. I think they wanted to get ahead of things.

[00:07:22] I think, like, maybe a week ago. As things were leaking, I think they were like, look. These fools go out on Tuesday or Wednesday, whatever. We're gonna release it as soon as they're out. As soon as we take their phones. Because we know that the lists are out there. And people are gonna be speculating. Let's get ahead of it. But, yeah. I guess by the time it rolls around come next February or whatever, there's gonna be better press that we can bank on. But, yeah.

[00:07:51] For a monumental milestone, it's a little bit like, yeah. Right. It's a minor complaint. But it was just kind of fun. That's all. Because, again, I am hyped for this cast. Like y'all said, I'm hyped to see everyone interact. I think, you know, I could have picked some other people. But for the people that they have picked, I love it. And I just, I don't love the rushed feeling about it. And, again, I put myself on 49. If I'm on 49, it's like, hello?

[00:08:22] This isn't a high-rise or a hotel. You ever notice that high-rise buildings are hotels? They don't have the 13th floor. It's like the 12th or the 14th floor. They'll do the lobby as the first floor. And then they'll have a floor. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14. You know, bad luck. It's giving like, what is season 49? The 13th floor? Like, hello?

[00:08:52] That's just my one complaint. And then, again, like, y'all, as y'all corralled them in LA, you could have had an intern snapping a photo, like a passport photo, and then stitched it together. I don't know if that would have been better, though. It was just them at the airport with like their TSA photo. It would have been if they had a real ID. Right. It would have been some uniform. Some like, it's just like, again, like, it's like, I feel like we got Ceri's first work ID. Okay.

[00:09:21] We got Jonathan on the beach. We got like, yeah. We got Colby's modeling headshot back when he was like 25. But nevertheless, we do have a season and we are excited. I mean, they are missing some notable things. I still do have a work retreat in a couple of weeks. So I am going on my work retreat. Okay. But let's, let's dive into the cast and see what we got or any more thoughts? Yeah.

[00:09:49] So more recently, I've got some DMs like, oh man, I wish you were on 50. Oh, they snubbed. First of all, I wasn't. Wendell, DMs from your mom and dad do not care. I'm going to get into that one. We're working on it. We're working on it, Bryce. Wendell got a DM from his mom. So we're clear. But what were the DMs saying? No, she can't DM.

[00:10:19] So I know your mom DMs all the time. Okay. All right, she DMs you. We got to just work on a profile photo, but we'll get to here. May I finish? Tell us about your DMs from your mom. No, I'm not going to show you receipts, Bryce. But I've been getting messages like, yo, we wish you were on. Yo, have you retired? All this stuff. And in my head, I'm like, first of all, I didn't think they were considering winners.

[00:10:48] Obviously, they grabbed a couple, which is great to see. It's going to make the dynamic interesting. But from my perspective, I'm like, I just played 50 with a 40 with a bunch of winners just maybe a few years back, whatever. But I am of the school of thought where I'm like, I've now played twice. I want to see more people play. Like, I have no problem not getting a call for 50, and I'm happy with that. Of course, if ever they call me, I'll go back out there. But I'm good and content. And I wasn't thinking I was going to get a call.

[00:11:17] However, yesterday morning, the day of the drop from CBS, when, like, Probst was on at whatever, 830 a.m. sharp, I'm playing basketball in the morning. I'm like, you know, get my workout in. I get in the car. I'm driving to, I'm driving home. And I get a phone call from my parents. Not them together. They both are on the phone. They're both on the phone. Wen Senior.

[00:11:45] Son, we just want you to know that we still love you. I'm like, yo, is everyone okay? Is someone like, is something, are you guys, is something happening? They're like, we saw the list for Survivor 50. I'm like, what? I was like, guys, I'm good. I'm okay. Furthermore, I didn't think I was on or getting that call anyway.

[00:12:13] They would have known by then if they had known or not. Right. But I guess it was a big shocker to them and whatever. So I guess they didn't even know that they had already flown out or something. But yeah, I just think about it. You played and then the only returning season since you were on that too. So they're like, our boy's going to be on every returning season. That's what I think they think when it's really like there are so many factors at play when they make these returning seasons.

[00:12:42] But I can't explain that to Neetza Wen Senior. I'm just like, guys, I appreciate y'all. Thank you guys. It's just the fact that your dad calls your mom. Okay. They're at home. He's home now. But it was the landline or they had you on speakerphone? On the speakerphone. Oh, I think that's even worse. Ah, that's even worse. It's because you didn't tweet anything about getting cut last minute. How are they supposed to know? I should have been. I should have kept the people updating.

[00:13:12] The people being my parents. That is hilarious. Okay. You brought up another subject that I do want to talk about. Again, I am very happy for this season. But some of my initial disappointments was seeing two winners return, right? And I love both the winners. I think both of the winners that are on this returning season, I believe it's Dee and Kyle. I think they played amazing games. But like, I also just feel like I don't want no winners.

[00:13:41] That's why there's only two. I mean, I know, but. I think it adds a good little dynamic and threat level. A good little dynamic and threat level. Because you have Dee and you also have Flippin', right? And then you have Kyle and you have Camilla and you have Joe. So what I love about this is we're seeing like these little duos, trios, whatever, people from the same eras and stuff.

[00:14:04] So I think it's just enough threat level to, I guess, not allow for a winners at worst situation where all the whatever older folks got picked off or something. There's still some eyes on these two younger, great, very recent players. So I kind of like that there are just two. Right. And again, I'm not mad at the winners. I think Dee played a hell of a game.

[00:14:31] So it's like I actually want to see her back in the fold to see how she kind of maneuvers this. And Kyle plays such a great game. I almost have more of a gripe with Kyle being back. And again, I love Kyle and I'm excited he's out there. But he just won. Like, you know, you just won. So I get that. But that's the only like the internal me. The external me is like, yes, we love Kyle.

[00:14:54] Now, also, I guess if if you host on fire podcast, I guess that means you're a shoe in for our attorney season. Unless your name is Rachel. The on fire pipeline to season 50 is crazy, huh? Because I mean, it's all of the hosts. But Rachel. And again, I could see maybe why not Rachel in the sense of like not having winners. And I can see like a most recent winner and heaven.

[00:15:23] But I mean, to see Rachel and Genevieve back on the island. I mean, well, listen, listen, I'm saying if y'all are. And again, if this is the fire and ice or fire, what's the name of Jet Pot? On fire. And this is the on fire pipeline. Well, who was the first host? What did that say? Rick Evans.

[00:15:53] And it was Charlie. Yeah, we got Rick Evans. Well, no, because the first season, they didn't have a special fan, whatever. Then it was like the next season. Then it was Rick Evans. But they made Devons on the first one for 45, right? Okay. 46. 47. And then Rachel for 48. Is that right? And then Charlie. Yeah. Yeah. I said, yeah. Charlie for 47. And then Rachel for 48. So yeah, there's only four people to click from. But I know what you mean. Okay. So also, that's another.

[00:16:22] That could be another little liars out there. The on fire pipeline. It's so many different connections. Also, I do just want to take the time. What you about to say? I was just going to say shout out to the on fire pod because Jay, the producer was definitely at our finale event. He definitely was at the Bryson win. And the night before the cast leaked, Wendell and I were on the phone and we were like, just talking about the potential cast.

[00:16:50] Because, you know, after we recorded our last Survivor news episode, Jack immediately was like, Hey guys, from a credible source, this is a potential cast leak. And sent it to us. And so we had the potential. And so Wendell and I, while we were on the phone. That was like the one. I think it was right. I think for the most part it was right. But what I loved though was like, while Wendell and I were on the phone, he randomly sent me a photo of like Sarif from our first watch party. And then I sent him a photo of Jonathan.

[00:17:21] And then he sent me a photo of Coach. And I sent him my booty cheeks with Ozzy. And I sent it three times because he didn't acknowledge it. But what I did love. Pardon? I said, and I'm still not going to acknowledge it. Who took the photo of Wendell? You got these Twitter streets in an uproar. Okay. So that's what I'm talking about. I know Bryce and Ozzy was a thing. Somebody was like, I'm disgusted.

[00:17:52] Okay. There's somebody up in the comments who was like, I ain't know Bryce was so thick. Okay. I eat my rice and cabbage. Anyway. Okay. The DM's been off. The DM's been on fire. Okay. But what? Somebody on my Instagram was like, not to Britchard. Posse, y'all are a mess.

[00:18:22] But no, back to the lore. Right. So then I, not back to my lore. Cause it's half your DMs were like, why aren't you on 50? The other half were like, why aren't you on Ozzy? Okay. Okay. You know how sometimes you gotta, before they leave out the house, you gotta make sure the tank is. Anyway. What I would say was that after the conversation, Wendell and I had about like 15 photos. And we were like, you know what?

[00:18:52] When they drop the cast of 50, we should post these photos. And there was a couple of people, shout out to our bestie, Natasha in LA. She sent us like such a message, just a heartfelt message. Like, wow. Like the impact of Bryce and Wendell, even on 50. It's so cool for you guys to post these photos of these people at your event. So I don't know. I just love that. Maybe there'll be some Bryce and Wendell lore that makes the episode like, oh, they met at the Bryce and Wendell event and they have to be in an alliance now.

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[00:20:20] Hey Fans, we're not going to always get what we want, but let's work with what we got. Okay. I think this is going to be a great season. And also to Caston, good to know you still got my number. Good to know you still checking the Instagrams. Okay. Good to know. Got it. Okay. Use it. Now they want to call you. You keep that positivity up. Bryce,

[00:20:49] you've been so positive. We would love to get you all 52. Season 100. Bryce, you've been so positive. Can you repost this for us? Okay. Bryce, I know we secretly got rid of the diversity issue. And let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. Because, hey, when I'm looking at this cast, I'm trying to figure out, where is my Latinos? Where is the Asian community?

[00:21:17] Where is the LGBTQ plus community? Like, there are some questions that I do have that, yes, you do got Sari. Yes, you do got Q. Yes, you do got Ozzy. But like, that also was something that did come to my mind. If I, if we're having an open and honest conversation. I think there are a few Latinos, but I, I think, I think, I, I don't think that,

[00:21:45] I don't think the 50% is met. I think, I don't want to, I think we need to go back to the drawing board, That's what I'm saying. My, my thinking on it, and I'm, you know, even working in casting, I think diversity is incredibly important. That's something I, you know, learn more about from your guys' initiative. I think with a season like this, and, yeah, hold on, let me, let me finish my point too. I think with a season like this,

[00:22:15] I understand them not necessarily. Well, okay. I think it's even more important. Okay. Sorry, sorry. You want our land. You want our land. It's going to land. I understand like you, on any, any new player season, like keep it, keep, keep the initiative up, give everybody, you know, a chance. But this, if you're picking the best of the best, not necessarily that this is that, then you, I don't want them to have to feel like they have to, like shoehorn certain people in.

[00:22:45] You said, you don't want DEI on 50? Is that what you say? no, but, but here's where I'm going to land is like, if you feel like that's not the best of the best, but certain people that didn't make the cut that I think absolutely should have, would have also fulfilled, like, you know, boosted the diversity, like a Jesse Lopez. And so that's, he's not on it though. Exactly. So that's why I question it is because it's not like we're thinking about like, Oh, who else could have made it? Like, and we're not,

[00:23:11] we're struggling to come up with potential people that would fulfill that. That, that's why I'm like, that's where the diversity, I question the lack of diversity is because we could have had a Jesse Lopez. We could have had a, a Sydney Gillen from Co-Raw. Like those options were out there. So that's why I don't, I think my point is they don't have to do it just to do it, but because there are those people that are available, then I think that they should be sticking to that.

[00:23:38] The whole thing with DEI is we're not just doing it just to do it. These are capable, amazing people. And in the case, like it's, it's like a Jesse Lopez right now. He's one of the greatest to come out in the last, however many years he should be on this cast. It's not a, Oh, we're doing it just to do it. It's a, Hey, these mofos have been historically looked over. They are as capable. Now sit in this position and take care of it.

[00:24:08] Do you think there's a slight difference between a new player season where you want everyone? I do. I do. I think, I think, I think diversity matters even more on a season like this. I think it matters more on a season like this because it is such a monumental season. You will have the eyes. So let's show them what diversity can actually look like. And I think, again,

[00:24:37] it levels the playing field or the list of potential returning seasons. Also, the first winner of survivor was an openly gay man. I mean, I agree. We do have Mike White. We do have Mike White. I do. I forgot about that. It's still pretty diverse. again, it doesn't hit the 50%. And I think the reason I think it should is because those options were there. It's giving, it's giving, you know,

[00:25:06] when you're back in school and there are the Crayola boxes and it's the, the one box with six colors, then it's the 16, then it's the 32. We definitely are getting the six Crayola. I'm with you. I wish it was 50%, but go to the cast photo. I think if there's 24 people, I think 10 of them or 11 of them are like. Sari, Ozzy, Q, Kyle, Camilla,

[00:25:36] Mike White, um, Tiffany D, I think Angelina, Joe. I mean, how many did it? That's like 10, right? So I wish it was 12. I wish. What it, what's, what's Mike White? Oh, yeah. But I mean, also assimilates in, but yeah, but yeah. I'm asking a real question. I just meant in terms of diversity, like sexual, sexuality, diversity,

[00:26:06] you know, and that is important. Combine into the same metric. I'm just saying, I can look here and I'm counting one, two, three, four. Like I count. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, potentially eight white men. I'm not, it could definitely be better. That's all I'm saying. And again, but we, yeah. So I, me personally, again, I'm still happy with this cast, but again,

[00:26:35] I think that diversity matters even more. And I think as opposed to a new season, I think a returning season like this, I think it matters even more. And it's our job to mention that. Yeah. Sure. And I'm, I'm still seated. I'm still online. I'm calling it, but I'm just playing it. Not to miss, my point was that it should have been better because there are those qualified people that did not make the list, you know? Um, and then talking about a different split. What,

[00:27:04] what do you guys think about this new era versus old era? Cause it's 12 and 12, but you look at the new era and 11 of them are from 45 to 49. One of them are from 41 to 44. And then before that, we really don't have, we have a couple from the thirties, no new players from the twenties. And then a couple old, old schoolers. Yeah. I definitely think it puts the old schoolers at a different disadvantage because I see people like a Mike White. I see people like Angelina assimilating into the new school era. Right. Like,

[00:27:33] and so I feel like it makes me worry for my, my people like Jenna, like, you know, like it's just easier numbers wise, but again, we'll have to see how they split the tribes up. Um, we could, could be a two season tribe, could be a three season tribe. But I mean, I think with the colors that we voted for, it was three, but it could have been. Yeah. It could have been pre-merge and emerge, not just like the three colors, but again, overall, I'm excited.

[00:28:02] I think, uh, I think looking at, I, I, I like how it's 12 and 12, 12 pre 40 and 12 after 40. I think the imbalance with it skewing to the, to the later seasons in 40 is a little bit, um, interesting, but I like that it's 12 and 12. And I'm interested, interested to see how it goes. Like again, in winners at war, it wasn't a coordinated effort, but the people from the older seasons got picked off first. And,

[00:28:32] um, I'm interested to see how things go this time. I don't think that that's going to, I think that, I think that there's a possibility that that can happen. I think that we might be surprised though. I think it might. I think that. And then what do we think about the idea of, okay. So 11 of the 24 from the last 45 through 49, this idea of like recency bias in survivor casting. We see it on a lot of all-star seasons, right?

[00:29:01] Like second chances. We had a lot of people from 30, 29, 28 winners at war. We had, um, a big street, like Nick, Wendell, Ben, Sarah, uh, Adam, like all the winners. Do we feel like the recency stuff is important with the casting in terms of keeping people engaged with newer people? Or do we wish it was just like recency out the window, best people from anytime ever. I think, go ahead,

[00:29:31] Bryce. I think, and I feel like I get this from Wendell a little bit, but I, I definitely think they are trying to feed the franchise. And I think the younger, the newer cast is what's bringing in the younger audience or the younger audience might just be more familiar with them. So from a standpoint like that, I understand it. Bryce, I was going to say just that, like, we have to like, you got to wear a few hats when you're looking at this franchise.

[00:30:01] And one is like the business hat and understand like the direction and whatnot. And say, you know what? There was a lot of noise just made in this in, in 48. And, uh, who knows what's going to have it 49. So they grabbed a couple of them. And so like, we're going to make sure we keep whatever this momentum is and move forward with that. And I think that's why it's skewed. Yeah. But see, I also feel like it, hearing the discourse being on Reddit,

[00:30:29] being on Twitter and seeing what the people are saying, it definitely gives a disconnect from survivor and the fan base. Right. Because again, like, that's what I'm thinking. I'm like, Oh, they want to keep the younger fan base and they're going to eventually get older. And so like, I get that, but also it's like some of these young kids is talking old school, heavy names. And so that's why I feel like it's such a disconnect at times. And it's hard to please everybody, but what you got? That's a great point, Bryce.

[00:30:58] I think there's another layer to the disconnect of survivor production. You also consider like CBS's hand and everything that might be different. Right. There's the hardcore fans that are going to be on Reddit that are rooting for those old school names. But then you think about the fans, the casual fans, the everyday American who's not on Reddit, who just tunes in every season and watches. And for better or for worse, like, I think that's why recency bias is important because those fans might see a Joe Hunter and be like, Oh, I just saw him. Like,

[00:31:27] I'm excited to watch him. They might not see like a Shane powers or a Sean Rector in really know who that is. Even though I think having a Shane powers or a Sean Rector would probably make for better season of survivor than, I mean, not a Joe specifically, but maybe someone who's recent, who doesn't have as strong of a legacy or, or, you know, not, not to like, but just as a general recent person versus an old school sort of a legend that might not be getting the look, but that,

[00:31:57] I guess in casting, that's sort of the reason, because if you stack the cast with people from like the, the, the, the survivor, like teen era, like the teens as in like 11 through 19 or twenties, the casual viewer might not be as excited to watch. So it's kind of a balance of like, what's going to make the season better, but what's going to get people to tune in. If they're looking at viewership and they're, if they're seeing viewership go up after a while or whatever, and it's like starting to climb again, then yeah, I think it makes sense. And,

[00:32:27] and, and again, like they have to think of all those things, Jack, especially like, yeah. And when you mentioned like a Sean Rector and I don't want to like feed any gossip or false narratives. I, I thought I saw a tweet saying something like he said he pulled out after, after hearing that Vesepia wasn't going or something like that, that may or may not be true. I might've seen that on Reddit or something like that. And then I feel like when it came to Penner, I feel like I read something that it might've been health related or something like that. But again,

[00:32:57] I don't want to spread any, any, you know, cause I've also seen him tweeting that, you know, he's. Well, yeah. Who knows why certain people didn't make it or did make it, but I just mean that the sentiment of like those old school players, like a Sean, like a Shane, like a Natalie Bolin, like a, I mean, Rob Sesson is a little bit different because of the empire he's built, but obviously being an old schooler, it's like the average viewer who doesn't know what our hat is might not remember a Rob. Even though I think him being on the season would make for great TV. It's like,

[00:33:27] how do we hook the people to the audience to come watch, but then how do we have the great characters to keep them watching? But also remember that in some of these seasons, like a Sean Rector season, that's when Survivor had 20 million views. Right. And so Sean Rector is not my favorite person in the world, but what I will say is, is that the amount of discourse that I saw the people being excited for him to potentially be on the season, it lends to the fact of like,

[00:33:56] maybe some of during the bigger seasons, they had like, it could pull in. And so how much, if, how much, if you're a company, do you look to gain new followers, keep your old, keep the, the base in. Why isn't a marketing tactic to maybe go back a little, like, you know, go back and tap some of the old fans on the shoulders. Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey, I'm sure these are conversations they're having at CBS,

[00:34:24] like every day leading up to this, you know what I mean? But the, the last thing I'll say, and I don't want, sorry. Um, remember when we compared a survivor to the challenge, Bryce, I think you and I spoke candidly with one, each other. And essentially I said, like when I've been to like the challenge events, it looks like, um, it just looks older. And I think CBS was survivor. I think they're trying their best to like, continue to pour in and grab the, uh,

[00:34:54] the younger audience and cultivate that. And I think that's, what's one of these, uh, reasons why survivors been so successful. Uh, so yeah, I think, uh, I think they're doing their best to keep on like, to try to gain more and pour into the young people, especially. And it's obviously a balancing act. And speaking of season one, we have Jenna Lewis, uh, uh, from season one,

[00:35:21] she plays eighth place and on survivor all stars. She plays third place. Um, I know a lot of people I'm excited for her. I know a lot of people, uh, when it came to this conversation, they're like, where's Jerry. And it's like, mind you, I love me some Jerry too, but I, uh, I don't necessarily remember, uh, Jenna from season one as I wasn't born yet, but I definitely remember her in all stars. And I'm excited to have her back. Yeah. I mean,

[00:35:51] it's fun to have some Borneo representation. Uh, Jenna, I think is a, is a strong game player. I think she'll adapt pretty well to the new era and, and be ready to go. Uh, season one. I mean, there's a couple other great season one, one people that would have been awesome. Like a Greg, we sort of calling a Haskell, but who even know a Ramona? I mean, but who even knows? Well, Jervis was on blood versus water, you know what I mean? But yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah,

[00:36:20] I think Jenna is going to be a lot of fun. It's cool to have someone from the original 25 years later. Um, and just kind of see how it shakes out. It's someone who hasn't played obviously since season eight. So I kind of love those old school, people. Cause it's a whole, it's like, what have they been up to the last 15, 20 years? Like they might come into the game as like basically a whole new player. And that's something that's exciting. Rather than seeing someone who played, you know, a year ago where it's like, all right, it's going to, I mean, they, they, they can be a fan favorite,

[00:36:48] but it's going to be a pretty similar styles, pretty similar story. So. Okay. Well, we could go on to Colby Donaldson, uh, from the Outback second place from all stars, 12th place. Good to know that him and Jenna have played together again. I also do love the connections that at least everyone has with at least two people,

[00:37:18] which is interesting. And then heroes versus villains is where I remember him the most, uh, from season or any place, fifth place. So I don't really remember that much about Colby, but I'm interested to find out what he looked like now. Um, and yeah, I think Colby is an interesting one for me because kind of universally considered, you know, was it was the American hero, sort of his first few seasons.

[00:37:45] Heroes versus villains was kind of a dud. Uh, I think he would even like, he kind of lost his will to compete on that season. Like he, there was that quote he had that he felt like Superman in a fat suit. Like he wasn't the same old Colby that he had once been. And now it'll be interesting. 15 years later, pretty much. Is it like what version of Colby are we going to get? That to me is what's intriguing. Um, and I hope we get that. I mean, you know,

[00:38:14] it's been so long since he's played now that I'm hoping he comes in with a new revitalized perspective of the game. I know he's not necessarily the most, at least on heroes versus villains, there's that conversation he had with like Candace where he was like trying to figure out who people even were. So it's like, like a journey and he gets a knowledge is power. I'm curious for, he's going to go to, he's going to go to, uh, Jenna. Jenna, what is this? Like, I don't know.

[00:38:41] Colby going to have some problems on this season with Q. Like three, three tribes. You know? Right. But also it's interesting that you just said though, Jack, you said like he was one of the original, like golden boys. And so how interesting is it to have a him, a Jonathan, and now a Joe, right?

[00:39:06] A similar evolved archetype to see how they will play together. Like again, some of these like themes that as we talk with different people and seeing the other people on the season with them, that is as the survivor fan in me, that's what makes it so interesting. On heroes, villains didn't, uh, didn't coach have a wrestling, um, challenge with Kobe, uh, Colby. And I feel like coach got the best of him.

[00:39:35] If I'm not mistaken. I don't know. Again, I wasn't born or I wasn't like able to cognitively remember at that point in time. Uh, uh, maybe I don't remember fully, but I feel like, you might be right. I feel like definitely, or Colby would definitely was not on his same challenge game. And that's a great point though. Cause now you're, you're, we're thinking about a couple of these old scores. We're all on heroes versus villains together. And that's an iconic season. It'll be interesting.

[00:40:03] What's the dynamic between like a Colby, a Sari, a coach going to be like out here. Then we got Stephanie, uh, Kendrick who paid, played on Panama, seven place, Guatemala, second place in heroes versus villains, uh, 19th place. Um, I'm excited. I think that she looks, I think she looked better than she did back then. Uh,

[00:40:28] and she's a player and she's one of the older school players that I'm excited about where I feel like there's going to be a resurgence of her in some way, shape or form. That's going to be able to assimilate into this new, like, again, I think of, could you imagine Stephanie and a D together, right? Like I just, it's the way that I could see people working together, uh, excites me. And I just,

[00:40:56] I feel like Stephanie still has the will, the neck. I've recently seen her. She, she looks, Stephanie looks great. Yeah. She's a strong, she's strong. She's still, I feel like we saw it, uh, hearts recently or something. And, um, didn't she do the traders with the re? Come on connection. I don't know if she was on the same trade, there's as serratus. Or was she? So, yeah, yeah. Well, cause we won season one of the traders, And Stephanie was, okay.

[00:41:27] Okay. So, well, yeah. Well, regardless, like I might be wrong. I don't know. In the game, like she's, you know, playing the traders. It's a different game than survivor, but it gets you back in the game. And so, um, I think it'll be, I think she'll be strong out there. It'll be great to see her. Yeah. I'm interested to see it. Initially I wasn't like crazy thrilled, but I do think as an old school, like she's got game. She's not afraid of, you know, a little confrontation or to stir the pot.

[00:41:56] So I think she'll be good representation, representation for the old school to adapt to the new era. Um, I mean, the traders showed that, but also thinking about like, okay, she was just on the traders. So we kind of saw like, if you were missing Stephanie, well, you just saw a little bit. So now it's like, you know, hopefully she comes out that way and plays hard and, you know, she's strategist. She's physical. She's social. Um, so yeah, I think, I think she can do well. And before we go to the next person, let's,

[00:42:23] let me just be clear that sometimes I do be like, okay, oversaturated. We've seen this somebody multiple times. Normally I'm like, I don't need to see them anymore. Okay. But let me just be clear. It's gotta be sweet. This person could be on the prices, This person could be on judge Judy. This curse person could be on survival one through 45. This person could have played the challenge. This person could have been on the traders.

[00:42:53] This person could be knocking at my door right now, trying to sell me solar panels on my roof. There will never be a time that I will say it is too much of mother, mother Sari feels. Okay. You got it right. CBS. You got this one, right? Okay. Period. And that's all I got to say. And I will, and I will take no slander. So Jack and Wendell tread lightly.

[00:43:22] And Wendell. Yeah. Cause everything is. It's better be. It's family. It's family. Sari is family. Period. We know. We'll be on the people's court. We know Jared as. Poo. Exactly. We are family. So there will be no slander over here. Jack, watch your word. Yeah. Now, I love, I love Sari. It's your honest opinion. Oh, well, if you want the honest, I love Sari. And like you said,

[00:43:51] you can kind of have her on anything. And if you're always going to enjoy it. It's your honest opinion. I'm getting there. You say no, no slander. And I, you can't even let me like, like she's never, she never misses. But just my, my one thing is. I heard a butt. All right. I heard a butt. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Night night. We heard that butt. We don't need you. He out of here. He out of here. Like window and winners at war.

[00:44:22] The thing I'm interested in seeing is that she's done a lot of shows recently. Traders, big brother. She did Australian survivor, which I think is coming out before this. I'm curious to see what Sari is going to bring to this season that we haven't seen before. Now, Sari can just be there and be Sari and it's going to be great. So you can never go wrong by having her on the cast, but she's played survivor. If you include Australian survivors, he said, but again,

[00:44:53] only butts. We need to be seeing this on my Instagram with Ozzy. Okay. I just think that, I think a lot of people would agree. Like it's been a lot of, like I love Sari, but it's just a lot of Sari. So I'm hoping. He said butt again. He said butt. Jack. This could be a permanent band. Jack. Do I have to go say on you? Because you always loud. That was three strikes on the butt. So I'll leave it be.

[00:45:23] Yeah. I love Sari. Random though. Am I scrolling through TikTok? What I say is a post. All I see is the comment of Jack saying loud and right. Wait, that took me out Jack. Okay. It was with Mitch. I had to show love. So, but again, I think Sari is interesting because any game she plays or any season she's on, taking her out is always a challenge.

[00:45:52] Like if you're able to successfully do it, it's always like an interesting tribal. It's always a scramble. It's always a hustle. So just her being there is going to add that dynamic. And also I'm curious to see with like the newer players, they might have look at Sari with a lot of reverence. I'm like, that's Sari. Like she's a legend. I'm curious to see how they are. She's a legend. And we need to take her out or is she a legend? And we all want to work with three because she's a legend, but then you might have some old schoolers that play with her. And like here's those villains that voted her out,

[00:46:21] like a Colby that are just like, I don't care about Sari. So it'll be interesting to see. She's just got like her, like her name carries so much weight that it's sort of like, how is that going to send ripple effects through Survivor 50? She's not the only person that's going to be on this season. That name carries weight. Okay. Some of y'all know him as Ozzy. I know him as Oscar.

[00:46:45] I'm excited to see Ozzy back on the Island. I know he left in good spirits. I know he left feeling loved. I know he left feeling warm and I know he left on empty. So I'm excited to see an Ozzy out there again, thinking about some of our connections, right? I remember at Bryce and when,

[00:47:14] when Wendell was out filming the goat and, you know, baby boy was out here holding down BWP, Jonathan came to Pittsburgh and Jonathan and Ozzy like met. And when I tell you, Jonathan was so excited to meet in Ozzy. And so again, it's these connections that partly, you know, Bryce will win, but like, but just these connections that I know Jonathan and his preparation of Survivor watched Ozzy seasons.

[00:47:43] And so it'll be interesting to see like how Ozzy and Jonathan will work. Also Ozzy is his, his name might not hold as much weight in the Survivor community as Sari, but let's be clear. Ozzy's name holds some weight. He is a challenge beast. And so it'll be interesting to see how my man does out there. Okay. Sorry, Austin. You know, okay.

[00:48:13] Ozzy came before you, but Austin, mama Eve, Austin is still there, but listen, my man, my man, my man, Ozzy. So y'all best to get ready for the bucket on season 50, because between Colby, between Ozzy, I keep it cute with Jonathan. Okay. We're just, Jonathan's just there, but we still got daddy Joe. Okay. And shoot. I mean, we got Christian. You make it too. Okay. So something about the,

[00:48:43] something about the smart guys go. Okay. Something about somebody who can do your taxes. He's doing more than taxes, Christian, but okay. Okay. When the whole place back for a second, you can tread like, I, you can. Okay. I'll say, I think of all the whole cast, I think I'm the least excited to see Ozzy. I don't know. Okay. All right.

[00:49:13] I don't know if you hung out with him before game changers. Cause it looked like someone's sucked the life out of him on game changers. Um, this felt like a very much like CBS was like, we need our classic big name golden boy. Ozzy. But from what we saw on game changers, it just doesn't seem like he has that go in him anymore. Like he was pretty dry on game changers. He's not really that competitive.

[00:49:43] Um, whether it's the strategy or even as much the challenges anymore, he's always going to be that golden boy. Who's, who's crushing it in the wild. I'm you could get an 80 year old Ozzy. He's probably still going to climb trees and get coconuts. But from what we saw on game changers is like, do you guys remember anything Ozzy did on game changers? Not really. Um, and I'm hoping for me being the, the least excited to see Ozzy. I'm, I'm hoping he shatters those like, right. It can only go up for me. And I'm hoping that he breaks those expectations.

[00:50:13] I know he's your man, your man, your man. Um, but yeah, that was just sort of my thing is like, we just saw him on game changers somewhat recently. And it, maybe things have changed. I don't know him like that, but it just wasn't what, what's Ozzy going to give us now that he didn't give us on game changers. Things have changed with Ozzy. Yeah. Post game changers. A lot has changed in Ozzy's world. And I'm actually, I'm interested to see what he does out there. What are the main things?

[00:50:42] And then they don't have to be personal. Cause I don't want to air his business, but what do you think has changed as people that know him? Like, what do you think is going to be different? I think that. Maybe the, the million dollars right now could be a little more appetizing. I mean, there's always going to be appetizing, but again, I definitely think Ozzy will, I think he'll deliver, but you're right. It was a little something, something. My, I want to tell the story about, uh, the conversation Ozzy had me as he had the bathroom.

[00:51:11] You think it's appropriate to say Wendell? I don't remember this conversation. So funny story. That Ozzy in a bathroom is dangerous. Well, we were in the bathroom together. Uh, but I've anyway, um, Ozzy again, this is during the time that like the internet was really heavy on like Bryce. Like, you know, when people were putting out those fictitious lists that I was on the list. And so, uh,

[00:51:40] I was in the bathroom with Ozzy and like, it's funny. Cause Ozzy was like, I've been hearing a lot. I've been hearing your name a lot. And my, my dumb behind is thinking like, Ozzy is not true. Like, you know, but like in reality, I feel like Ozzy essentially was saying like, you know, I'm gonna be the big spoon out there. Like, so I just, I, I, in retrospect of the conversation, it's just interesting. Um, to think that like.

[00:52:11] The only support I, the most support I would have for Ozzy is that you were out there too. We could get a showmance, get some representation. So, um, if you were out there, Bryce, I would have been really excited for you to hang out with Ozzy just for your sake. Uh, so let's also talk to another, another great, uh, Benjamin coach Wade. I'm excited for the dragon slayer to return. I also feel like,

[00:52:40] and my personal opinion of watching the dragon slayers social media, uh, there was a point in time that the dragon slayer was putting out videos this is again, when the 50 was big, the dragon slayer was putting out videos, essentially saying, don't, you won't see him on 50. He's going to say no because he has retired. And so I think maybe the dragon slayer was feeling some type of way because then a month later,

[00:53:09] all of a sudden, and I think some of these photos are still up. You go to coach's Instagram and there's photos of him doing the, the coach thing with survivor, 50 hashtag survivor, 50 CBS eyes. Right. And so he has a social media. He does not give a shit. What I love about it is, is I think that he successfully put himself on CBS's radar. And so sometimes you do be, you see people all the time. Wendell,

[00:53:39] like, you know, uh, at CBS, like, hi, I don't at CBS. It's not a CBS comment that I do not see Jack or Wendell in. Okay. No. Oh, yes. Even now with coach is funny. Cause even the last few days, like when the cast got teased, he was supposed to like, something has changed in my heart. Like, I think in about a week, we're going to see coach.

[00:54:07] There's like vlogging on the beach in Fiji, like mid game. Like, how do you have your phone coach? No one has a phone out here, but you coach wrote something. Like even on like his story, it said, I received a call. I love, I love, I love coach. I'm really excited to see coach. The reason why, first of all, coaches is great TV period.

[00:54:34] But the reason why I am even more excited as to why I am. Aesthetic about single coach. Think about the original integrity Alliance. Think about where we get. The strong at the end. I want to sit next to the strongest person. Like, think about that. And think about having a Joe out there. Like, that's crazy. That will agree. That's,

[00:55:04] there's definitely a lot of, a couple of guys with that mindset coming into the season, but I'm hoping that's not what we get this season. I mean, yeah, if we do not want 50 to be like 48, let's make that very clear. It is funny though. I wonder if coach was watching 48 and saw Joe and be like, are we, are we back? Like, should I go on survive? But he posted that thing like survivor 50. I might be down if this is how we're playing. Yeah. You already know that like Joe coach,

[00:55:34] Ozzie and Colby and Jonathan are going to have a mean Alliance going out there. Um, I pray to God. Yes. Work, but it will be interesting. Can I share with you a text message I received from coach? Wait, wait, Only if you say when, when this week, Tuesday, not he texted you at the airport. 7 43 AM. Okay. Wait, wait, wait.

[00:56:04] I need for you to read coaches. In your voice and yours and your voice. Please set the scene. Well, what were you doing at the time? I can say is what he wrote right here, but time out. Where were you? Were you driving? Were you at in your bed? I don't know where I was. Okay. 7 AM on Tuesday. And mind you, isn't he on the West coast? Yes. So what time is that Jack?

[00:56:33] It would have been like four 45. He was probably flying over to LAX to go to. He was, he was packing. He's packing. Okay. Read it coach. Wait, is it a photo? I just, I just screenshot it. So y'all wouldn't see our whole conversation. It says, what's your biggest party? You want me at 2026? Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, hold up. The britches. The britches. Hold up. Now time out.

[00:57:04] You already make it. He's like, what's the move with Bryson? 2026. You were talking. M and Q are on an island. Like, yo, which ones are we pulling up to? What? What? What? Not. Can you imagine? Can I bring my truck ready? Jack,

[00:57:31] can you imagine getting ready to go on survivor? You pack your clothes. And you're like, hold on a second. Hey, you're going, you're like, Oh, how does March 27th in Buffalo? 26 for a party. I got to go. I'm going to my flight to Fiji. I'll catch you in 14 hours. I was just packing my feather. And I thought,

[00:58:07] he's going to roll up to the VIP section of the party. They're like, where's your, where's your lanyard? And he just, he points to the feather. He's like, that's the VIP right there. You see? Oh my God. Coach Q might have to take a bad seat. Why is coach already delivering? Now I do love this. This is from coach. Cause I'm glad. I mean, he's at the forefront of this,

[00:58:36] of the fact that the Bryson one presents season 50 parties. Those are going to be, especially with, I mean, with or without coach, but especially with coach. I mean, those, these characters getting together at a Bryson one. And I just already know he say Wendell's name. I just know he say Wendell. Okay. I just know. He doesn't call him. He calls him my brother. Yes.

[00:59:05] With the hands. He calls him like the, like the creep, the creeping gecko or something like crazy. Oh, that's, that just took me out. I am screaming. So listen, y'all better get ready for season 50. Okay. Coach, coach is already. Hey, Wendell. Wendell.

[00:59:35] Wendell. Wendell. What are you doing? April, 20, 26. Okay. And from coach, we didn't have. Can I play the party? He's going to walk us in playing the trumpet. We have Aubrey. Uh,

[01:00:03] we first seen her on Corong, second place game changers, fifth place and edge of extinction. 16th place. Um, I love Aubrey. I'm excited to see her back. I, uh, I, I, I, I'm excited. I think her, I feel like her gameplay is almost similar to like a racial, uh, of season 47. So it's like just interesting to see some of like,

[01:00:31] like we see these evolved archetypes and now kind of like the original or the originator, because at the time of her season in Corong, right? It was so sparsely different than like a Michelle's game. Um, and so I always love Aubrey. So I'm excited to see her back. Yeah. What I'm excited for, uh, is she's real smart. And if you recall on season 46, our main man Q,

[01:01:00] he said something to the effect of, I think, I think it might've been Kenzie said that Aubrey's her. Oh, it was Mo. That was what he used to go against Mo. Like she said, she likes Aubrey. So that means she's smart. So that means I got to get her out of here. Yeah. You already know the point Q and Aubrey, Aubrey together. You already know. Um, and Aubrey's legacy stands on its own, but it's funny to imagine survivor when they think about who would Q have fun with. It's like,

[01:01:30] let's call up Aubrey. Aubrey is interesting to me because her last two outings, even when she got fifth on game changers, definitely have kind of gotten time compared to a really strong game in Corong. So I could see her struggling on the season, but I could also see those recent struggles reducing her threat. And then opening the game kind of, and I could see her doing a really well.

[01:01:56] So that's a sort of level of intrigue that I'm really excited about with Aubrey. So I'm very curious to see how she does, especially coming off of like 38 where they made her look kind of bad. So it's like, we'll see how she can recover. Uh, Wendell, you got your glasses, Jack, you got a pair of glasses. Uh, sorta. Yeah. Why? I mean, are these glasses for me or these general glasses? No,

[01:02:26] I'm about to, I'm about to make another blanket statement. Oh, we on the purple pants survivor news podcast. This next person. is the true definition of a survivor. And people could whittle and piddle about, this person, this person, but survivor definitely got it right. When they gave our girl, Chrissy. Hoffback. I'll call back.

[01:02:55] she's only played once, uh, heroes, hustlers, builders. She came as second. Heroes, hustlers village. Okay. On that village, the heroes, hustlers village. Okay. Cause she wasn't a villain, but again, what was the name of the season, Bryce heroes, healers, and hustlers. She got second place. Okay. She was dynamic that season. Um,

[01:03:25] I also feel like she kind of ushered in, and although Chrissy is not an older woman by any means, cause one was older than her. However, in these later seasons, like I think of season 45, right. With D and mama Tina, that is Julie. Right. Uh, and their connection. So I, again, I think of that and I think of like, wow, I wonder how a D would work with a Chrissy. However, we know in Chrissy's life with breast cancer, like she was so open and transparent and changing lives and speaking about that.

[01:03:54] Like she's been to one of our Boston party. Like she is just amazing. And I am excited to see what, our girl Chrissy is going to do. So again, we ain't taking no Chrissy slander over here. Yeah. I thought the glasses were going on. Cause you're about to like throw some shade or expecting some shade, but no, I'm very excited for Chrissy. Um, heroes, healers, hustles was really fun. Wish my boy Devin was out there too, but Chrissy was great. I mean, uh, she's crushing it in the challenges. Um,

[01:04:22] but she's also not afraid to stir the pot a little bit, create a little bit of conflict, which I think is really exciting. I could see her fitting in with a lot of different groups in the season and doing quite well. And also, you know, hearing about her story with, you know, after since, since season 35 is, is incredible. Um, yeah. And I, I, uh, she just seems like a great person to have out there. And yeah, we know her in real life and she's a great person in real life. She's so strong. She's so brilliant. Um, she has an incredible smile. It's very welcoming.

[01:04:52] Like she's going to meet people and connect with people. Uh, I have high hopes for Chrissy. We love her. She, like you said, Bryce is a true survivor. I think she's, uh, I think she can do very well out there. Yeah. And great. Okay. And then we got Chris, Christian, you Bicky, you Bicky. Okay. From the, uh, David first Goliath. He plays seventh place. I think that, uh,

[01:05:17] I think that Christian is going to be in his Cochran Aaron era this season. And y'all hoes better watch out. Okay. And listen, I love Christian, but the one thing I love more is Christian's, I believe now wife, Emily. And so for the potential, for the potential of having an Emily back on our screen. And again, Christian is, he's interesting and he's funny and he's smart and he's witty.

[01:05:46] And he's like all of these things that I think are going to make great TV. And again, I'm calling it now. He's in his Cochran era. Second time Cochran, please. Hmm. Um, we're going to get family business this season too. I'm calling it. Oh, Christian is kicking off my favorite little run of. Returnees here. Like Christian is one of my all time. Surprise. What does that even have to do with anything?

[01:06:16] I can't like David. Um, Christian's one of my favorites all the time. Oh, you mean like my usual, not my usual archetype. I mean, he, he fits two, he fits two of the three descriptions of your archetype. Fair, but, um, no, I love Christian. Uh, very excited to see him back. one of the, one of the, one of the all time survivor character. And it's been, you know, having only been on one season, it's been long enough. Can't wait to see him again.

[01:06:46] Um, yeah, there's, so many good things to say about Christian. He's, he's just dynamic TV, really fun player. Uh, so I'm really, really thrilled. Awesome. Close your eyes. Picture this. Maybe like four people voted out. It's the tribe swap. You got Quintavious. And you got Christian.

[01:07:15] And Quintavious is trying to go to Christian. To make a move. Can you imagine what that conversation is going to be like? We can say that with Q and anyone this season, but him and Christian is going to be. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. And imagine if Q thinks Christian is a snake. Okay. Like, can you like.

[01:07:45] That little smart man. That smart, little strong man. Big mistake. He came out here using big words. Big mistake. Oh, I'm sorry. Quintavious. I just, I had an hypocrisy that you were not going to want to make the move because you said you wanted to quit. Or times before the game even started. So I just used my obtuse angle to figure out that it would be less than worthy of me to.

[01:08:15] Why? Christmas is canceled. Okay. Do we think when Q goes to, is talking to Aubrey, do you think he's going to go to other places? Be like, she reminds me of an Aubrey. She's dangerous. I feel like the producers are like, we're going to that, that clip is going to play itself again. Oh, a thousand percent. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Another. Very excited. Yeah.

[01:08:43] The only thing we skipped over in going from season 35 to 37 was season 36. And there was a notable snub from 36. Like, Dom, Dom. Oh, oh, okay. Now. Yeah. All right. Where'd you think he was going? I was going to say, no, I think CBS made the right call. But no, we, we missed out on Dom.

[01:09:13] We missed out on my, who am I? Uh, Brendan Shapiro, Bradley. Bradley. Why are you laughing at Brendan Shapiro? Laurel. Was Brendan in the run for season 50, you think? He was. Not much on Brendan. Yeah. Brendan was fine. I think he, yeah, I thought he was going to do really well. Bradley. Wasn't Brendan like the fourth person out?

[01:09:45] I'm going to be nice. Well, I always, this season, this season, the worst placement of any player on their first go was Tiffany. Eighth place. So everyone is, you know, pretty stacked and solid. Now I could have used a couple of pre-mergers, notably a couple of Kagehan pre-mergers, but I'm just saying, I don't, I don't know if, if Brendan Shapiro landed on his cast, I think people would have had a lot of, too much. Is that the producer? Is he on the On Fire podcast?

[01:10:15] Get out of the frame. Somebody, somebody get your dream team guy out. Is that Matt Van Wacken? Uh, someone who I am very excited for, uh, who placed third on her season, uh, Ms. Angelina, before she left, she posted a reel or a montage of her in different coats. I think that Angelina was an interesting archetype when we seen her. Um, I think a lot of people were 50, 50 on her gameplay. Right.

[01:10:44] But I thought that Angelina was interesting. She spoke up. She advocated for herself. She, she did all the things. I think that she is an amazing woman. I think since playing, she's a mother now of two. Uh, uh, and so I think a lot changes. And so I'm excited, uh, for my girl Angelina to return. Yeah. She's a strong, brilliant woman. And on Survivor 37, she was a little, um, I don't,

[01:11:15] maybe if her self-awareness wasn't locked in or something, but something about her made her so hilarious to watch and everything she did out there. And so to have her come back selfishly, I want her to be not as self-aware, but I think that seeing herself on TV, being a mother and having some time away might change her game a little bit, though. I hope she is as entertaining as she was. Yeah. I mean, she's fantastic,

[01:11:45] like very excited for her. She's one of a kind, like David versus Goliath. One of the greatest new, one of the greatest season period, one of the greatest new player seasons up there with Kage on, but obviously, I think David versus Goliath might surpass us. I don't know. that's part, you know, but David Goliath, yet to have any returnees, obviously, uh, aside from Nick on Winners at War, but so many good characters on there. So I'm excited that we get three of them, you know, Christian, Angelina,

[01:12:15] and our next one. And then we go to our next, Mike White, uh, second place on David versus Goliath. I love it. I was so excited to see him with his fame and success. Now it's like, did, did we think Mike White was going to be able to, like, he's the writer director of one of the most popular shows on TV? Like, was he going to be able to take time off? But I love that. He is so dedicated to survivor that he's making it happen.

[01:12:45] Um, and like, it's, I think it's just gonna be so, Hey, he was a great character on David versus Goliath period. Like the scene with him roaming around with like the wine glass, looking around in the sand for like the clue. So hilarious. So funny. And then also just the whole component of him now being like, he was famous on David versus Goliath, but he's like another level right now. And so I'm very curious to see like, how does that, um,

[01:13:13] play into other players approaches to working with Mike? Is he going to be a target or is he going to be someone that they want to appeal to because they're like, damn, I can get all white Lotus, you know? That's it. They're all going to be sucking up to him cause they want to be on the show. And, um, he is a great character. He's hilarious to watch. He's fun to watch. So I'm very excited to see Mike White back out there. He not only will everyone be sucking up to him, you got, he's probes his buddy.

[01:13:41] So like now I'm worried, is he going to get some preferential treatment out there or something like that? But Mike White makes for a fun cast and a fun show. So I'm excited to see Mike White out there. And there's that component of like, if you're, if you're worried, everyone's going to be sucking up to him. Then are you like, well, if everyone's sucking up to him, like, do we have to take them out? You know what I mean? So I think that's a, it's an interesting. That too. I feel like we should have prepped Q and told Q to really suck up to him. Now,

[01:14:09] the only thing I'll say about this cast, if we're going to move off of Mike White is we have another extremely notable snub from David Goliath. Yes. Davey should have been out there. Davey was an extraordinary player. He has stayed active in the community. Um, he is great and sad that Davey is not out there. And if we think about it,

[01:14:38] Davey could have won that season. I think it was down to him and Nick and whoever was going to win immunity at that one point, the other one was going to get picked off by the Goliaths or whatever. And that would have put him, I think in final four or something like that. Like Davey could have won that season. He's hilarious. He's a great character. He's great for TV and, um, yeah, it sucks to not see him. We'll get, I think Davey will get another go at some point. So I'm excited for whenever that rolls around. Hope so. But Davey kind of, uh,

[01:15:08] he made a big announcement yesterday that he was kind of like, he's kind of like really stepping back from all survivor things and, uh, pursuing something different and creating his own space. Like a, uh, like a, he's doing a go fund me or, uh, one of those fundraisers for this, um, cosplay games or something like that where, and, and that's right up his wheelhouse. Yeah. Right. But you never, it's like people say,

[01:15:37] I can't speak for Davey, but whenever that phone ends up ringing, it's like, I feel like they hook you back. It's toxic. The coach. Right. Right. Exactly. Well, we also have someone from or edge of extinction, uh, who was very interesting, dynamic, crazy, funny, cut, toes, out, played, uh, like, I almost feel like his game almost reminded me or the evolution of his game. I could almost see it in a Charlie. Uh,

[01:16:07] he was one of the first survivor players to host, uh, with Jeff Probst on, on fire. Uh, so it is cousin Ricky, Rick Devins. Um, he's just a great person, uh, funny, and he's a player. So I'm excited to see, uh, what cousin Ricky does out there. Rick is great TV. He, he, he's like, he's entertaining. He's funny. He's a dad. So he's, he's quirky. Um,

[01:16:36] he's also strangely athletic and he can like, and, and, um, skilled. So like, he's a hooper, you know, like he, he can, he can do these things and play these games. So in, in a, in a, in a show where you got these like circus style games or, or whatever, I think we'd be surprised with Rick Devins, which he surprised us before. We'll be surprised. Good friend. Love him. Love his family. Yeah. I'm really excited for Rick. Uh,

[01:17:06] I've met him a few times at hearts and he was always just like the nicest dude, but also phenomenal television. Kind of like one of a kind in like the role that he fills and also just like plays so hard, not afraid to be flashy, not afraid to be a little bombastic, which, you know, given the tempo of the new era lately, I need a Rick Devins to come shake the game up and go hard, no matter how that shakes out. But, um, yeah, very excited for Rick, you know, Rick,

[01:17:34] even if it's for the best, I feel like Rick's never just going to be sitting on the sidelines. He's going to be moving and shaking. And that's going to help really, I think propel the season to a, a really nice level. Yeah. Exciting. And then we move kind of sort of into the new era. Uh, and we have Jonathan young from survivor 42 placed fourth, um, challenge beast beast.

[01:18:02] He can put his whole team on his tribe and swim them out of waters. This man is, um, yeah, he's, he's going to be interesting to watch. Yeah. I'm not like shocked to see a Jonathan, obviously challenge wise, probably the most dominant, one of the most dominant ever, definitely one of the most dominant, the new era. My thing is like, you look at 41 through 44 and he's the one person representing that period of survivor.

[01:18:32] To me, there's people from his own season. I would rather see not to mention people from 41, 43, 44. Um, so it's not like a, a personal Jonathan thing. Maybe it's more of a casting thing, but it's like, how do we get a Jonathan, but we don't get an Omer or a Jesse Lopez or a Carolyn or a Dan or a or a Ricard or Deshawn. Danny, Danny McCray. All right. I don't know.

[01:19:04] Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey, he's great. But like, I don't think we were expecting to see Danny on 50, but like an Omer, a Jesse, a Carolyn. We're expecting to see a Mike white on 50. Like, yeah. I mean, he's one of the most, he's probably the most famous survivor player ever. So, okay. But outside of fame. Oh, okay. What? I don't know if you like that narrative is immediately compelling. Like the, the Mike white, who's renowned, he's won an Emmy for the show. It's like to get him on the Island.

[01:19:32] That's immediately interesting TV, but, but anyway, I mean, independent of that, I'm talking new era, right? Like 41. But again, you named Danny, we can go on. I think other players that we would have loved to see in that mix. And so to just get Jonathan independent of Jonathan himself, it's like, why one guy versus the 11 that we get from 45 to 49. That's more like my thing. Like I, it really flabbergast me, you know, when Jesse, like, and not to harp on the Jesse, but when he got cut out,

[01:20:01] I think that's when there was rumors. Like, Oh, there's only like three new era people or whatever. And you were like, even still, I was like, who's your force? No, those were like the rumors. They weren't true. Those rumors. And people are mad at that. And, and even still with three, you were like, how does Jesse not, but then now we have 12. I think if you picked one new era, if there was only one new era person, I think there's a great case. It should James Jones. It should be James.

[01:20:32] James Jones has, but no, I think, um, that's more, but that's more of a question to like the snubs and less about Jonathan. It'll be, I don't know. It'll be interesting to see, but, um, I agree. I think it says a lot, but do we think Jonathan's going to bring something new than what he brought? 42 though? Like, you know, he's, he's a challenge beast. He's pretty loyal. That's what we're going to get. Yeah. That's what we're going to get.

[01:21:03] Put him, Joe and coach together. This feels like, yeah, this feels like another CBS of like, well, the people, the people in, uh, rural Missouri love challenge beats. So we need you to get a new era challenge piece. I'll tell you what, and this, this could have been like recency bias, but like, I remember when Jonathan walked into our New York event and this was when we were, we had lots of surprises and stuff and people were like,

[01:21:32] so like, yeah, there's a Jonathan effect. And so for sure. Yeah. And out there, I'm interesting to see what round two is for him. True. I mean, I'm not, he's, I like him a lot. So I wasn't trying to, yeah, like it's just, it's hard. Cause you're comparing him versus the whole pool, like 41 to 44, but Jonathan himself, like not mad at it. I also, I grew up as a fan of endurance, which was like kid survivor. And he was on that show. And I talked to him a little bit about that. And he like lit up when he was talking,

[01:22:01] he has like tattoos from his like things like referencing his time on endurance. Um, and he, he was more excited to talk about that than I think like anything I had seen him chatting about. So that was really cool to me. So, um, good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Sarah, uh, and our first player from season 45 is Emily flipping.

[01:22:28] I think that Emily is outspoken. She's spunky. And she is not afraid with her back against the wall, like, you know, to, to make moves. So I think Emily flipping is a fan favorite amongst the survivor community. So I am excited to see what miss flipping won't be. Do it. Yeah. She was great. Oh, go ahead, Jack. I was just gonna say,

[01:22:58] I'm stoked. Like Emily is so fun, good TV strategic, but also again, not doesn't shy away from some conflict. Uh, and I think it's going to be interesting with her too, because her arc on 45 was so, it started so tough for her. And then she became a fan favorite and she got to experience not only playing set sort of in both those ways, but also being perceived in both those ways. So I wonder like what her, I mean, she's always, every time I met her, she always has great energy. So I'm sure she can be a fun person to have on the Island,

[01:23:27] but I wonder in her mind, it's like, she knows what it's like to be a villain and a hero. And so I'm kind of like, how is that going to affect how she plays and how she approaches the game? Is she going to have the confidence to just throw things at the wall and just like say whatever. And is that going to get her in trouble? Like, I think there's a lot of interesting dynamics with that. And we saw her cut, like what made her so cool was this arc. Like when she was on, when she was on the, I guess the mat for the first time.

[01:23:57] And I think she might've spoke out against Bruce or something. We were so upset. We're like, this old care, like this, what is she doing? You know? And then, and then, and then you watch it. It's like the things that come out of her mouth, you're just like, man. And then she has the conversation and connection with Caleb. Caleb kind of like brings her down to earth, gives her some game. Caleb's out there. Now it's like people are rooting for Emily in this game. So we've seen so much that it's like, where does she go now?

[01:24:26] I think in one, in one season, it was the enjoyment of watching her go from like this extreme to the next. So now she's already over here. She, she's got the game. Where does she go? Yeah. Yeah. Be interesting to see, but she won't be alone. She'll be joined by her 45 winner. Is going to be on this season. And I was beyond this. I was a little post to like, I don't want winners,

[01:24:56] but you think of a winner like G right. And you see how much she dominated the game. And again, it's season 45. We're up to season 50. It's five seasons later. I'm not that mad at it. And so I think that, I think she's going to be really well out there. And I think she'll be well equipped with the variety of people that we know that she can work with. And she's a challenge beast as well. So I think that she'll do well. I can also see her linking up with Jonathan,

[01:25:25] like the Florida connection. Like there's just so many ways that where in which D could go. She's a great social player. She's a great strategic player. I think that in the new era also, there might be that component of, is this a shield I could use? Like that might be, I don't think it's as obvious of a target as it used to be of like, we just got to get out the winners. I think for me, it's going to be interesting with her and with Kyle. Cause again, I was, I wasn't sure about winners, but I think it does add an interesting little flavor to things.

[01:25:54] And if they're a good character like D is then, you know, it's going to add to the season. It'll be interesting with her and a Kyle to sort of immediately because of this winner target, maybe have their back against the wall a little bit. And Kyle and D are both people that we saw kind of play in control for most of the game. They had a really strong alliance and they sort of, but not a flashy game though, right? Not a flashy game necessarily, but they were a dominant one. Now they might have their back against the wall and have to get flashy.

[01:26:23] And he's not afraid to like stab some people in the back. So it's going to be interesting if she's backed into a corner right away, cause she is a winner to see how she responds to that. I think she'd get real scrappy. And I think that would be a lot of fun to watch, even if she fizzles out early just because of that target, like she's going to go down swinging. So. Absolutely. So I am excited to see what she is going to bring on the season. And then we get even newer, newer, and we go to season 46 and we have Quinn. What? Oh,

[01:26:54] Quinn, Quinn, Quinn, Quinn, Quinn, Quinn, yes. It is on the season. And I am like when DZ, very excited for a Q return. I have to do, have to say that watching Q season. I'm like, I'm not going to have nothing in common with this man. He could do it. I mean,

[01:27:22] but when I tell you Q is probably one of my favorite people on this world, there's a few survivor people that are in my Rolodex that the only way we communicate with each other is just by insults. Like nothing but insults. Like Q will call me. I'll answer. He'd be like, you look ugly today. And just hang up the phone. Like that's like, you know, Q says, I can't drive. You know, like, it's like,

[01:27:49] and there are multiple people in this Rolodex and it is Q. It's Joe Minna is Aaron Meredith. And it is Jeremy Collins where it's like, there is no normal conversation. It's always just like you ugly, your breath sting. Or like, if you ever see me under any of their comments on social media, it's all negative, but that is the way that we show love. And I think that Q is who I think they, they based the season around Q.

[01:28:19] Truly. This is Q season, but here's, I got a lot to say, but I'll start off by saying this. Bryce, remember when we were just getting to know Q and Q was coming to our watch parties. You would look over and see Q. What would he be doing? He'd be by himself, mean face, watching the TV. And we're like, what the hell is wrong with this guy? What's up with Buddy? And he's like, it's a watch party. I'm like, but Q, you on the TV.

[01:28:49] Well, yeah, I got to see, I got to see what they going to do. Bryce, you're like, it's just, it's like, he's got two phones. He's texting himself on his other phone. Like, it's like, what are you doing, sir? Is he getting booted this episode? What's up with him? Now he's trying to boot himself. Quitting. They're not letting him quit. That's Quintavious. Try to like, quit. And I was like,

[01:29:18] you do not understand the essence of Q. I mean, you are on the other side of the alphabet in the wrong place. I mean, yeah, we love Q. Like, every moment is just golden TV with Q. Even outside of the pod is just, I mean, it's just golden moments back to back to back. And you put them in a cast like this with all these characters, it is going to be, just get the Q cam on, get your Q skirt on. Go play hide and seek.

[01:29:47] Come out and let him find you. And find you a little Q. Cause it's going to be a great time. I worry though. I feel like Q's edit was a lot fun. I also think that he worked off of the chaoticness, right? I think that Q's method was cause chaos. Like it would be break the glass and be a part of putting the glass together how you want it.

[01:30:11] I worry with this season of veteran players that are sharks as well. I wonder what that looks like. Then I also worry that like, what if Q is aware of that? And then we go out and we don't get a Q, but we get a Quintavious. And like, I just like, it's, I don't know. I'm nervous for our boy. The other thing I'm nervous for Bryce is, yo, homeboy is doing too much.

[01:30:41] Let's not even let him get any traction. Like he's out of here. I'm worried about that. I'm worried about that. I'm worried about the Tony in a game changers effect. You have this superhuman person. And now it's like, ah, he's doing the most, get them out of here as soon as we can. That's what petrifies me with our boy Q. Another thing that petrified me was, and seeing Q in the last three months, I mean, he is our boy, but they, they,

[01:31:11] the britches. And mind you, he posted three, four times a day of him working out of him running. And like Q has physically gotten bigger. Like he, I mean, Q looks, he big. Maybe he'll win a pre-murge challenge this time. Well, yeah. What all the muscles going to do. So, um, yeah. Q's been locked in. I hit Q. Like I'm like, Hey Q, um,

[01:31:41] all of these workout videos, like people know that you're strong and you're just showing them that you're. Well, what they don't see, let me tell you, what they don't see is that I'm studying all of their seasons. So he said he studied up all their seasons. So I'm hoping that he's got something to go with it. Um, he also said, I work out four times a day. Wendell. I'm only posting the two workouts.

[01:32:11] They don't know how much I'm in the gym. I took Wendell's phone and I hung it up. I say, there's Q. What? Yes. So, so yeah, Q is, uh, nevertheless, but he can't Q and coach on the same tribe, baby. Q's connections are going to be interesting. A Q and a Jonathan. I think they can hit it off. I think you'll be surprised how many people Q can connect with.

[01:32:40] I even think that Tiffany, despite how they felt on the season, I think that they piece things up and they can be cool. So it's not a matter of, I feel like who can work with anybody, but when the flip switches, that's what I worry about. And so it's like, I need Q to control the switch. You need to make the switch, but like, I don't know, but I, I'll be tuned in, tuned in. Uh,

[01:33:07] and then we have someone from on fire podcast from Q season. We've got Charlie making a return. Uh, and I am excited. Well, we know this is, Jack's archetype, uh, but I am excited for Charlie. I think Charlie is going to kill it. He is smart. He'd make takes calculated risk. I also feel like love these little inside stories. Uh,

[01:33:36] when we were in Boston, Charlie and his girlfriend, Judy love Judy. Shout out to Judy. Uh, the night before we went to Justin, shout out to my third boot brother, Justin. We went to Luigi's pizza store and, uh, you know, we like to support our family. Charlie and I get there at the same time. And they're like, what do you want to order? What do you want to order? What do you want to order? I'm like, I don't know. Charlie's like, I just ordered a cheese, a large cheese pizza, Do you want to split it? So yeah, let's split it. Charlie, the cheese pizza comes.

[01:34:05] We're talking to family and friends. I'm noticing Charlie one slice down. Uh, I go up to take a picture with Wendell, come back three slices going, uh, Justin's family's like, you guys want cannolis? I turn around. I say, well, damn Charlie. I mean, as we split in the pizza because he ate the whole pizza. And so, and my mind, I'm like, Charlie is a little, little, little guy,

[01:34:35] but I'm like, are you, he's on the queue. He's on the queue schedule. He's on the queue, but like he's bulking up. But again, Charlie knows the game. Again, he has the on fire podcast connection. He's got connections with Q with Tiffany. He's well liked. He's smart. I'm excited for, uh, a Charlie. Yeah. I'm, I'm really thrilled. I mean, no surprise to Bryson when it probably a lot of you, but Charlie and I have become, I mean, I was rooting for Charlie during his season.

[01:35:04] We've become buddies since then. We play four nights together. Um, and Charlie's just like, just the homie. And I think he plays the game, how I would want to play the game. So watching him play is just, I feel like I live vicariously through him and he's a great dude. I'm really excited to see him. Uh, I think that Bryce, you made a great point. Like, I think he's got a lot of good relationships. I think that after his season, I feel like a lot of people had a very sympathetic viewpoint of him thinking he should have won and that he was, you know,

[01:35:34] a good dude who, who got, I don't want to say Rob because Kenzie earned it as well, but that, that maybe a good guy who deserved a little bit better. So having that be the perception of you going out there, uh, uh, and him being a good ally to Maria, um, throughout the season, maybe not vice versa, but, um, I think people, I think people want to work with Charlie and Charlie is a very level headed, good strategist, but not anything crazy flashy,

[01:36:01] which I think is a good ally to have with someone who's like, okay, they're smart, but they're not going to like start switching up and playing. That's what I am curious about, right? Because of what the outcome of that season, I wonder like, has that changed Charlie? Will that change how he plays? Will that change how he aligns? Will that change his trust level? Um, and so that for me is what I am most interested, uh, to see in Charlie, uh, how that kind of,

[01:36:31] you know, and similar to what I said about like D and, and Kyle, Charlie was an almost winner, right? He almost, people know he, he like almost won, uh, and, and he had a really strong hold on his season. So it'll be interesting if there is a target on his back to see him play from like, from the bottom potentially, like what is Charlie? Charlie's game was very methodical in 46 and, and really strategic and smart, but always sort of had his finger on the pulse. I'm curious if Charlie gets put in a, in a tough spot.

[01:37:01] I'm really curious to see what comes out of him, like in terms of his game play. I think, well, I hope he doesn't get put in a tough spot, but I mean, that's survivor. Most people end up, you know, scrappy at, at some point. Charlie's awesome. Like, uh, he got as close as you can get pretty much. It's like, he was right there. Like that one other vote, um, I think would have tied him. And then Ben said that he would have voted for Charlie or something. Or something crazy. Like he was as close as almost as close as Dom.

[01:37:31] And then when, um, Bryce, when you said Bradley, I'm thinking Charlie's kind of like a Bradley, you know, like Charlie's Charlie's that kind of guy. So yeah. Um, excited to see Charlie. Good, good, good human being great person, survivor player, and someone who I don't think he'll have the biggest target put on him because he's like, to the eye, he just looks middle of the road.

[01:38:00] He just looks like the average guy, but he's got a lot going on up here. He gets along well with all sorts of people. Yeah, exactly. And, and when you're on an Island with Jonathan and Q and Ozzy, it, it's good to look like a Charlie or a Devons in this case. Yeah. Yes. Uh, and then to my surprise, a very happy surprise. We've got another 46er. We've got eighth place, our girl, Tiffany Irvin and baby.

[01:38:30] I am so excited. They gave our queen another shot. I think that she being is all she, she had to deal with Q and for her to be able to navigate that, to still be loyal, to be making moves. And again, I almost, it's interesting because I see parallels in Tiffany's game and a Camilla's game, right? Where I am interested to see what Tiffany has learned from that.

[01:38:59] And also who Tiffany can link up with. Uh, I'm just excited for our queen. I think that, um, I don't think she was on a lot of people's radar. She was definitely on my radar. Uh, and I'm excited to see her out there. I think that she is in a, just starting off in a great position. I don't think she's going to be playing from the bottom. I don't think that like her threat level is pretty neutral. And so I think it gives her the opportunity to go anywhere she wants. And I'm excited to see where Tiff goes.

[01:39:30] We love Tiffany over here. Tip, like she is, she's awesome. She's one of my faves, um, inside, outside of the community. Like she is great. And yeah, she had, she had to contend with a, uh, uh, first season. Okay. Um, now, now she could play now. She, yeah, it's, I'm excited to see where Tiff, where Tiff goes with this. Yeah. I'm really excited for tip. I mean, she's part of the LA crew out here. Um,

[01:40:00] I feel like every returning season, sometimes there's people that you didn't quite expect to, to maybe make the season. And a lot of times, like you think about a Wentworth in second chances, like people were surprised she made the cut and she goes out and crushes it. I think I could see something really similar for a Tiffany here where, um, we maybe didn't expect her, but I'm really excited. We got her. She's really entertaining, really funny, uh, super witty. And she was able to, if you're able to handle a cue, you're going to be able to work with a lot of different types of people.

[01:40:28] And I don't think her threat level is going to be uber high, but we need, we know she's a player. So I'm really optimistic for, for Tiffany. And just excited to see her being her hilarious self on our screens. And, and I think it came across on her season, but she's such a people person and like, she is bubbly, but she's real and she can connect. And so I think that that is going to be such a strength of hers. Um, another person, well, not another person, but from season 47, who I am not surprised at all. Uh,

[01:40:58] Genevieve, baby, mother. Okay. Okay. We got a couple of mothers on this season, but like, I don't know why I feel like, I guess step mom from Genevieve. Like the kids don't really like her, but she, the dad lover. She put the, you know, she, I don't know. It's just something like that, that Genevieve got that light, that like Genevieve don't play. She's smart. She's willing to make moves.

[01:41:26] I love a Genevieve. I'm excited for a Genevieve return. Yeah. I mean, she's, she's another person, especially new era. We've seen a lot of like the gameplay slow down a little bit, but she's not afraid to play fast. I was very, during her season, I was pretty open about, I remember arguing with James Jones about the fact that I thought she made her move too early, but her making that move was great television. So I do hope that,

[01:41:54] I hope that she can combine that willingness to make moves and play hard, but also, you know, play, time things up really well. But I'd rather have someone like a Genevieve who's not afraid to make those moves and take those shots. And we need that to drive the narrative and drive the strategy of the season. So yeah, I'm excited to have Genevieve back too. Like she's definitely a icon of the new era. And in Genevieve,

[01:42:21] we have this player who I think learned a lot from her season. I remember some of her confessionals had dealt with her saying, I'm not going to get so close to these people because I want to be able to cut them in the, in the, in the throat or behind their back or whatever. And I think she learned so much because she is such a great player. And now she's like, all right, it, I think she's going to go into this knowing it's a game, knowing she can get close to these people, but knowing it's a game. So you can make these relationships or you have the freedom to,

[01:42:50] to play like that and still make these, these moves. Um, and so I think I'm excited for her to come back. Yeah, very much. So. And then we have from the most recent, our most recent winner. We've got Kyle Frazier, the winner of season 48, super excited, uh, for him because I think that he's great. Not necessarily excited for him because he just won the season.

[01:43:14] And I think he is like you and Jack and I were saying like players like Kyle and a D they didn't make flashy moves, but they had control of the game. Right. I feel like Kyle, like we said before, Kyle was out there shaking ass. Kyle better be on a twerk master 6, thousand because there's just no way that his name will not come up because he is the most recent winner.

[01:43:43] So roll them balls 30 inch rise, 30 inch rise coming to the side. It's Kyle Frazier throwing the, like Kyle better. No, no. Kyle needs to be moved. Get out of the way. Get out of the way. Get out of the way. Move. Okay. Like Kyle needs, he just, that I just, I, I hate that he's in this predicament. And so it's like, I don't love that he's out there being, so he's the most recent winner. And I will go on record and say,

[01:44:13] I'm happy. We have these 48ers there. We've got Joe. We've got Kyle. We've got Camilla, but the fan in me, and I say this respectfully, right? Like, I feel like from the most recent center season, I would like to see somebody's game that I didn't really get. That was premature. Right. I feel like we got to see how Camilla Joe and Kyle's game ended. Right. Like I wouldn't be mad at a star. I wouldn't be mad at a say,

[01:44:42] I wouldn't be mad at a singer David. Like, you know, like just, but Kyle's out there. Well-deserved. And I'm excited. Obviously I love Kyle. Yeah. I mean, I'm definitely a Kyle fan. That's who I was rooting for this season. And it worked out pretty good. I'm nervous though. Like, I think obviously they're flying out right now. Last week, they watched him win a million dollars. That's going to be really difficult. I'm going to be very impressed with Kyle. If he makes it past like a few votes,

[01:45:11] I guess a really hard position to be in, but he is a pretty loyal player. Could be an enticing ally. Could be a shield. And I think it's going to be interesting because I think inevitably he's going to have a target on his back. And he was kind of in control the whole game, except for, you know, that one pre-merge travel where he had that great idol play, which was really fun to watch. I'm curious to see more of him with his back against the wall, making plays just like that. And even if he fizzles out quickly, just because of the target that's on his back, I think it'll be really fun to watch. If it shakes out like that. So excited for Kyle.

[01:45:44] Very excited for Kyle and very scared for Kyle. Yeah. And I respect him. Just like, it could tarnish his legacy per se of like, he could go out and go out early, but I respect him just being like, Oh, I just want a million dollars. Eff it. I'm hungry. I'm going back right now. Like let's, let's go to work. So yeah, I know. Speaking of tarnishing legacies, how did winners at war fare? Hold on. I got to run to the bathroom.

[01:46:15] We good over here. What? How did winners at war? How did that like sing? No comma. No comma. Well, a season like that, like, yeah, you're taking the risk when it's all winners. Like inevitably, one of the winners is going to be the first boot. Um, it, and we're the first, first merge boot. Uh, but yeah, that's a risk you take. But like, obviously I,

[01:46:45] I respect people taking that risk more than be, them being like, Oh, well I played once and I won once. And I don't want to, I don't want to tarnish my legacy. It's like, who cares? You already won once. If you go home cause you were a target cause of that, then like, it is what it is. Okay. Yeah. Joe held you down. I mean, Wendell, Jack had you down. Wendell, then we've got daddy Joe, uh, making the return. He's the only person that I just felt like after the hype of this season

[01:47:13] that I just knew would be on season 50, uh, just from propes is love for him. Uh, I think Joe was a great player. Uh, be interesting to see how he does play. I think that he has a lot of similar minded, strong integrity, bringing the strongest to the end. So I think, uh, be interesting to see Joe. I would love Joe to say, Hey, when I'll hear this first time I played for my wife, my kids,

[01:47:43] my sister. Um, and now the second time it's like, I almost want Joe to come out here and play for yourself. Yeah. And get gritty, get nasty, start lying to these people, start like, stir the pot because like how Camilla and Kyle kind of like duped you. I think people will have this image of you. And it's like, just start off from the back. Just be like,

[01:48:12] that would be an evolution of Joe that I would be really excited to see. Now, I don't know how I say, cause we saw a lot of Joe's game on 48 and it was fairly straightforward. Well, I don't, I want to say shit. Cause there was some complexity, some nuance to it of like him wanting to have integrity, but also needing to play the game. But the thing was, he was kind of attached to Eva right from the jump. I'm really interested to see this season, how he's going to go in and navigate as like almost a free agent. Now, you know, what's his relationship like going to be with Kyle after how, I'm 48.

[01:48:43] So I don't know, but obviously he was, you know, for the, for the, he was a fan favorite in a lot of ways on 48. So I understand him being here and I hope he comes in a little bit more multi-dimensional than the game he played on 48 and really embraces it and plays hard. Like, I think that would be really, really fun to watch. He's also just a really funny, like he's a funny guy at funny moments. He's a good character. So I think he's got some stuff to add to 50. And he's a challenge beast and it'll be interesting to see him out there with a few other challenge beasts. Yeah.

[01:49:13] I hope they bring back some of those, especially primers, those physical, you know, they don't, they never do anymore, but like, I'm thinking about the one where they're on, like their heads up on like a raft and they're like trying to knock each other off. Imagine like him versus Jonathan or Ozzy's up there or Colby's up there. Like, Oh, that's Colby and coach up there. Cause don't get them. Put them up there. I mean that, they don't do those anymore. And I remember there was one on Bryce's season that I love where someone

[01:49:41] was hanging onto a pole and the other people were like, rip them off and drag them across. Those are the best challenges. No, I agree. And I know survivor, maybe there there's like budget, whatever, but just set up a pole and have people rip each other off. That's easy. You know, we had water slaughter, both my seasons where you got to run out there, grab the, the thing. A ring. It's great. Great to watch. Yeah. And I love on that. I love the people that take, uh, that don't run. Right.

[01:50:11] They let you run and go get it and where you are. And they'd be waiting for you. Right. With you. Oh, I love that. Oh, that's when I realized how, how strong Ben Dreebergen was. he was like, nope, we're going over here. I was like, but, but wait, I forgot about that. I was so bad. Well, we was rooting for you.

[01:50:39] We were all rooting for you. Tony's four foot 11. We were against. Not too much. I'm just saying. Not too much. On Mr. Vlachos. Okay. Vlachos. Vlachos. Vlachos. Okay. And then we are rounding out our last known player as Camilla.

[01:51:07] Will the Camilla meters and the Camilla Terry rise. We will rise. I am excited for Camilla. I think that she's great. Again, like a Joe, we have the option of how will Camilla handle this? What will she do? Will she continue to be loyal? I also think similar leads to Charlie, right? Camilla is not threatening in size. Right. And so I think that she can use that to her advantage. I could see Camilla working with a Sari.

[01:51:37] I could see a Camilla with a Stephanie. I could see a Camilla with a Jonathan. I could see a life that. I think her options are open. But I do worry that everybody will know you and Kyle are a duo. So you're going to have to work your best to deflect. But also, again, the freedom of Camilla to play her own game. And like, we know in her season, she might've struggled with like, is she good enough? We know that like in her head, like, oh, you suck. And it's like, now, you know, and your head knows that girl,

[01:52:07] you the ish. Okay. And so her going in with that mindset, that's a scary thing. And that's why I serve in the Camilla Terry. Yeah. I'm curious to see Camilla. I mean, she's sneaky. She's, she's crafty. I think it's a lot of fun strategic components to her game. I am worried for her, right? With that duo with Kyle. And then you also take into consideration. Now she is really good at puzzles, but physically speaking, you said she's not the biggest. I could be worried pre-merge,

[01:52:37] especially with a lot of those big guys being like, we got to keep the tribe strong. A little nervous in that sense, if you pair that with her duo with Kyle. But I know she's going to bring some, some really good strategy to the season. So excited to see, I will say, and this is not about Camilla, but this is more about 48 as a total. This kind of takes on that recency bias, bias conversation we had of like, I think 48 was one of the weaker seasons of the new era, but we do have,

[01:53:06] and this isn't about a Joe or a Kyle Camilla, but just one of the weaker seasons. And it's honestly to their credit, because they kind of ran it so hard that we didn't see a lot of interesting stuff happen. So for me, I'm like, now, is there any of these three that I would specifically remove? I don't think I have a good answer to that, but I don't really know, like having three of them. And that all of their stories were pretty intertwined already and pretty flushed out. I'm not that thrilled about having three different 48 people.

[01:53:35] And that's not against any specific one. And that made, that were one, two, three, and four. Pretty much. Yeah. So, yeah, it's like their story, we just saw their whole story unfold, you know? And that's why I agree with you. That's going to put them in a pickle though. That's going to put them in a pickle, right? Like being out there. So it does, it will cause a lot of conversation. So it'll be interesting to see. I am a card carrying member of the military. Thank you very much. I'm rooting for everyone. Guy and knees again. Thank you very much.

[01:54:04] And the only thing I'm, I'm scared. Is there a world where Kyle and Camilla just gun at each other? Cause like, or like they're like, remember how candid they were towards the end of the season? Like, Hey, you know, one of us got to go. I think they back won't be up against the wall. So if anything, it's like they need to work together for like the first two votes, Joe, Camilla and Kyle. And then I'll also say to that, if with three tribes and we have quite a few seasons or a few seasons with three people on it,

[01:54:34] I feel like they're going to spread everyone out. I see Kyle by himself and I see Camilla and Joe together. I could, I can see them all being by themselves. I mean, David Goliath three. it could be two and two, like, but, but they put Tony and Sarah Luceno. It would help them to be separate. I think if they're together, I think that's an easy, like, it's kind of like when Jeremy and Natalie were together. Wendell just said a great point. Tony and Sarah,

[01:55:02] they were able to repeat it. However, we had edge of extinction, but, but also Tony and Sarah prior to that season had never really run the game together. Like game changers. Tony was out second. Talk a on. They worked again. Tony, they kind of did, but then it kind of fell apart when Sarah got voted out. They had the most history. And then like, I'm just saying, their duo going into winners of war was not as obvious as, they had a lot of history, but it wasn't as obvious.

[01:55:32] Pops are us. I mean, Bryce, didn't Tony vote Sarah out in winner? I mean, yeah. So from someone that was on the Island, it was, you're on edge of extinction. Well, once you got to winners at war, of course, that's when the relationship really came to fruition and blossom, but they played three. Yeah. Like Tony and Sarah ran the game. They said, we got to vote out second. The point, the point is on a winners at war. And the two of them were on the same starting tribe.

[01:56:03] and, uh, my, my lawn cares outside there. Oh God. So, and they cut my grass. I need to mulch. So we got to get, we got to go. Uh, but also there'd be two people from 49. Uh, the inner, the internets have already named them. Well, I was going to say, like, I, obviously we were going to find out and I'm not mad at it.

[01:56:32] I do go knowing who those people are going into 49. I don't want to get started on a sport. Obviously it's a thing, but it does kind of, now there's this expectation and you also kind of know they're going to do pretty well. So I kind of wish we didn't know that, right? Like if you could look at this season and the worst placing player was eighth place. Now we kind of, and assuming it's similar. Now we know these two are already going to make the top eight. Like that's it. That kind of takes a second boot. I love it. Also interesting. Now,

[01:57:02] I guess I'll give a spoiler warning because if you're, if you're like me and you wish you didn't know who these two people were, then maybe fast forward five minutes. Right. We can say that. Um, but apparently, well, I don't remember the girl's name, but the guy in the trailer for 49, they really built him up as kind of a group, the Riz God, um, which to me is funny. Cause like, you know, he's going on 50 and then you make him look like really. That's how they do. That could be great.

[01:57:32] Cause if he looks like a goof in that clip, that's better. He's a shark. Yeah. But I mean, well, it could be good for him, but I mean, obviously once you get to the Island, if you're on 50, you're going to feel it out a lot more and get to know him. But I'm just thinking like, even from a fan perspective, it's like, you guys are really sending the guy who calls himself, his God out there. I'd be like, come on. There's so much more to unpack. There's so much more to see. Uh, but it's less, it's less about him and more about like,

[01:58:01] they know he's going out there and they paint him in this light. It's kind of funny. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if we need a Riz God on Survivor, but I guess we got to go. You got to wait till you see. But I mean, nevertheless, we have the cast of season 50 before we have the cast of season 49. Do what it is that you will. So, but we are excited here at, uh, survivor news and you can be sure that we'll cover season 49 and season 50. So keep it locked. We appreciate you for listening.

[01:58:30] And we will be back when we get the official photos to do a cast assessment. Uh, any last words before we hide the on hold Q, do your thing. My guy needs family. Do your thing. Sorry, Ozzy. Where do we think they are? Like, did they, what they flew out like yesterday. We think they're just settling into Fiji right now. Pre-game. I think so. It's funny to think about all like, we, yeah,

[01:59:00] I think what Q's doing. And I'm going to get a text from coach. It's going to be a selfie. If we're talking texts again, somebody sent us a photo of, nevermind. We're not, we're not talking texts. Well, I mean, I, well, cause we could talk texts too. Cause I did get a text too, but okay. Well, we won't. All right. Listen, this has been your survivor news covering survivor season 50. First look. We'll be back soon. See you soon. Bye.

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