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[00:02:28] Hello, hello, and welcome to the purple pants podcast survivor news edition episode 360

[00:02:35] How's the food I serve as your humble and also gracious host Bryce Isaiah

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[00:03:23] Covering survivor season 46 episode two the baby boys have returned

[00:03:28] When DZ Holland Jack Atkins and we are joined by a special friend survivor 43's own

[00:03:35] Carla Cody Cruz and we are talking all things episode two

[00:03:40] We are talking how each tribe has their own cracks

[00:03:44] We are talking that challenge and then we are talking the ultimate decision of what happened at tribal

[00:03:50] It is definitely a juicy juicy juicy episode we go into a lot of different conversations of how things could have played out

[00:03:58] Different people's perspective. It's so much so listen

[00:04:01] Let's get in to this week's survivor news

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[00:04:32] And we are back with your survivor news covering survivor season 46

[00:04:38] Episode two we have an all-star line up. We've got several

[00:04:44] Faces on your screen if you're listening on YouTube. Let's welcome back to the podcast the man the myth the Jack the Atkins

[00:04:52] How are you feeling? I'm feeling good man feeling good

[00:04:55] We got a you know our first guest to the season and

[00:04:59] Excited for you to introduce her and get to chat about this episode with all you guys

[00:05:03] Yes, now let's welcome back to the podcast a very old

[00:05:10] Old old

[00:05:12] Man because the time this podcast comes out. It will be someone's birthday

[00:05:16] So let's welcome to the podcast old man window welcome back

[00:05:20] I

[00:05:21] Will say I have several years under my belt, but I will say that there aren't several people on the podcast

[00:05:26] It's just four of us price. Oh well

[00:05:28] I mean let's uh we get Jolinsky to weigh in on this if we need to but enough of the old man's tire

[00:05:37] Let's welcome to the podcast a legend in their own right. They killed it on season

[00:05:44] 43 a good personal duty of mine. Let's welcome to the podcast miss Carla Cody Cody Cruz

[00:05:55] What an honor to be here. Thank you so much. I'm excited

[00:05:58] Yes

[00:06:00] Before we get into the survivor episode

[00:06:02] We have got some housework duties to get to but before we talk about the Bryce and Winsworth 46 stops jackery

[00:06:10] I kept telling you last season. I had a surprise for you

[00:06:14] And it kind of took a while to get it, but I feel like

[00:06:19] We did a power ranking

[00:06:21] for season 45 and

[00:06:24] Before we were even recording Carla and Jack were sharing their love for fortnight

[00:06:28] And we know that Jack is a gamer. So I just really wanted to formally introduce Jack to his

[00:06:36] Pokemon

[00:06:43] Jack loves Pokemon he still plays Pokemon go

[00:06:47] So we had a very talented artist by the name of Patrick take he to jack's love as so jack is officially a Pokemon

[00:06:56] So I make sure I send that to Jack

[00:06:59] So you know, you can make maybe he could be your avatar in

[00:07:03] fortnight

[00:07:10] We are

[00:07:12] In mid swing of bwp tour 46. We just had an amazing stop in New York which Carla was there

[00:07:19] Our next stop is going to be the Washington of DC next Wednesday will be at Duke's grocery in the Navy are

[00:07:27] We've got some amazing people lined up. We've got Carla

[00:07:30] We've got aza from the cookout. We've got Mimi

[00:07:33] From big brother season 25. We've got Becky Lee James Jones geo brand and Shapiro and

[00:07:41] As the war dog has pointed out on Twitter there are two big question marks

[00:07:46] So you know if you've never been to our DC stop what a time to pull up because you know the bwp tour 46 is off to an amazing start

[00:07:55] Would you not agree when DC?

[00:07:57] I had I have to agree I agree we're doing

[00:08:00] We're having a lot of fun and DC is always a great stop so I'm excited to go there

[00:08:05] Yes, and Carla will be joining us in DC. So listen

[00:08:08] The more the merrier

[00:08:11] We had another two-hour episode it seems that a lot of the fans maybe we're so happy with

[00:08:17] The two-hour episode when survivor posted their real

[00:08:21] A lot of people under there were like a o jeff if there's one elimination

[00:08:26] Keep it to 90 minutes

[00:08:28] So I just I'm curious to know everyone's thoughts on this two-hour episode for one elimination

[00:08:34] I'm happy to jump in because this was actually my

[00:08:42] This is the main thing for me this episode was

[00:08:47] For the first time in history. I think I might have been like this episode is a little too long

[00:08:52] Uh, and maybe it's because I was watching it solo

[00:08:56] And there was a lot of commercials a lot of commercials and the commercials with all the commercials

[00:09:02] It just I love the pace just kind of was all messed up for me usually I watch with friends as well

[00:09:07] And so during the commercials you get a chance to talk about what's going on and this time it just felt like also on top of that

[00:09:14] The the episode for me wasn't particularly

[00:09:19] Interesting to the point where I need two hours right like an eventual boot sort of felt like

[00:09:26] Going into the episode if I had to predict a boot

[00:09:29] That's who would I would have guessed so it's like why are we running around for an hour just like acting like that's not gonna happen

[00:09:35] You know what I mean

[00:09:37] But I would like my mind to be changed because I'm a little bit low on this episode. I would like to be higher on it

[00:09:44] What I can't really come on

[00:09:46] Yeah, I'm the pacing because I didn't get to watch it live

[00:09:49] So I watched without commercials

[00:09:51] But yeah online I did see that I will though disagree on I think it was a really good

[00:09:57] It was an interesting episode

[00:09:59] Just because I mean even the thought of them trying to flip it on Kenzie was like where the hell did that come from

[00:10:06] Um, but yeah we could talk more about that as we go through the episode

[00:10:10] I watched it without commercials and I watched it earlier today and I thought okay if we have a two hour episode

[00:10:18] Make it a premiere so I can get to know these people

[00:10:21] If not I could have done with 90 minutes and I

[00:10:26] Regarding all the running around

[00:10:28] Carla in the later in the afternoon. I almost felt insulted

[00:10:32] I'm like why am I watching all of this and they're making me true like

[00:10:37] I'm just like why are they putting so much time into all of this and I'm truly thinking like oh my gosh

[00:10:44] This is great. It's gonna be a huge move on Kenzie when an actuality like Jack said like we should have all predicted that

[00:10:50] Chess was going home

[00:10:52] But man they had all this extra time to kind of fool us the only people they were pulling with us because

[00:10:57] According to the exit press even even Jess new shoes going home. So

[00:11:02] If you asked me I'm like man y'all did too much. I could have done 90 minutes

[00:11:06] Like performative then a little bit like self a grandizing of like

[00:11:11] The it was sort of self aware of like oh, we need to make all these flashy things happen

[00:11:15] It's okay if the straightforward thing just happens and we don't need two hours of razzle dazzle sometimes

[00:11:20] Let me be the red herring here, right?

[00:11:24] One I always love when editing fools us right like that means we are into the episode

[00:11:30] For me it wasn't necessarily about who went home. I think what I appreciated the most about this episode was

[00:11:39] seeing cracks in winning teams

[00:11:43] Normally we don't see the cracks or any of the flaws in teams until they lose and so for me

[00:11:50] I loved how they were just planting so many different seeds between each and every tribe. So

[00:11:57] Although it kind of sort of was like alright my good sis going home this episode

[00:12:01] I felt like I was taking notes. I was making a list you could call me Santa Claus because I just was like okay

[00:12:08] I see where you were. I see where you were

[00:12:10] I could see the potential break like I don't know

[00:12:13] So I was trying to be a survivor

[00:12:16] So vaunt and kind of like look beyond who's going home and

[00:12:22] Kind of seeing down the road

[00:12:24] I could totally agree with that, right? It's because I think

[00:12:27] Within the context of the episode a lot of stuff felt flashy and unnecessary and kind of not relevant

[00:12:33] But for the grand scheme in the season all these like

[00:12:35] Low chaotic events that happen these cracks that you mentioned

[00:12:39] Could be setting us up for some good episodes down the line. So I could definitely agree with you there

[00:12:44] But the consensus is if it's one boot 90 minutes

[00:12:49] Carla did you have something? Yeah, well no I agree with Bryce. I think that um

[00:12:54] The fullery or like tricking the audience right with the Kenzie boot might not have been productive for this

[00:13:01] Episode right, but you don't know down the line whether or not I can already see the cracks white with Q

[00:13:06] Tiff now Kenzie and Bano

[00:13:10] Yeah, that's a setup for something because Tiffany has that extra vote or no the idle

[00:13:15] Um, and then what else was I gonna say there were some elements though that I did turn to lease at my wife

[00:13:20] And I was like do they really need to include that?

[00:13:22] I think there's like a slow mo in the challenge that looked like a 300 like out of the movie 300

[00:13:27] And I was like, I don't think this was necessary. There's parts of that episode

[00:13:31] I was like these are completely filler um but aside from that I totally read into like

[00:13:36] People are planting seeds right now

[00:13:39] Because it's gonna come down the line

[00:13:41] I think yeah, I think that is a benefit of the two hours for sure

[00:13:45] I think we sometimes we get that in 90 minutes also um, but what I will say about the challenge Carla is that

[00:13:51] I think they did a really good job of showing how difficult holding up that structure was like

[00:13:57] They took their time. I thought this thing was over a couple times for everything will fall down for each tribe each time

[00:14:04] So

[00:14:05] We had extra time to kind of see that and to kind of see

[00:14:09] Like Bryce said you see these cracks on the on all the tribes you see how somebody said something or looked at someone or did something

[00:14:16] And I think uh, I think we don't always get that so that is the benefit of having longer episodes

[00:14:21] Yeah, well over glad we got everybody's take can be official moderator of

[00:14:27] The survivor news

[00:14:30] Sure um, and we obviously bounce around with this because a lot of it's just you know things that are going down

[00:14:35] I can't so I sort of broke it up into each tribe before the many challenge and then what goes down after the meeting challenge

[00:14:42] What's a kick it off we get back to yanu the legend jolinsky has just been voted out um

[00:14:48] And we see that you know bony was a little bit worried about

[00:14:53] The this the strategic gameplay going on in his tribe. He sees that he's surrounded by a lot of what he believes to be solid players

[00:15:00] We also see that Tiffany and q start to get a little bit worried about Kenzie because

[00:15:05] To a piece bond who Kenzie goes and really has like a good talk with him and win some over

[00:15:10] She's definitely a social butterfly and they're worried that down the line. I can be dangerous

[00:15:14] And then we also see that Jess is starting to open up a little bit sort of her and her tribe are kind of embracing her quirks

[00:15:21] And you know Kenzie pulls her in bonnuin and sort of offers a potential alliance that is not really

[00:15:28] reciprocated

[00:15:29] Uh, which kind of throws Kenzie off and she's like don't tell q and tip about this because the state wouldn't like this um

[00:15:37] That's sort of like what's going down on yanu at this point. What kind of stood out to you guys here

[00:15:43] For me uh in earlier argument I had when deezing was

[00:15:50] Uh, you know q

[00:15:52] Kind of saying that he feels like kenzie doesn't want him there and one of the reasons that

[00:15:57] q

[00:15:58] Identified that he felt like kenzie could be a liability was that she was off talking to everybody

[00:16:05] And she's being a social butterfly and I hate that here we are episode two of survivor news

[00:16:10] I hear I am about to quote James Jones right

[00:16:14] James Jones has these theories right and he feels like the new era of

[00:16:18] survivor

[00:16:20] They

[00:16:21] Everyone talks right like it's not how it used to be where it's like we're in alliance and

[00:16:27] We're gonna issue out so

[00:16:29] for me

[00:16:30] I met at kenzie for

[00:16:33] Watering every see in her guarded now does that make her a threat

[00:16:38] absolutely but

[00:16:40] I think for me

[00:16:42] What I have a question mark about q was was that well one if we in the alliance

[00:16:48] And jolensky sucks at

[00:16:51] Completing task

[00:16:53] We still in alliance it's a number game. So it's like regardless

[00:16:58] I'm still gonna work with him, but we see these like glimpses of q where he's like he week

[00:17:04] I need strong people he out and now it's like kenzie's social butterfly

[00:17:08] I don't trust it he out like so it's like I I feel like I get it but also like

[00:17:13] Bro, it's the second episode like I don't know. I feel like here we go with but I just feel like

[00:17:20] Keep that in the back of your mind, but for the sake of you want a strong tribe

[00:17:25] kenzie for sure pulls her apart so that does my take on it

[00:17:28] Bryce

[00:17:29] Yeah, I'm here you say

[00:17:31] Bryce um

[00:17:33] Yes, you can make an alliance on the first day of a 26 day game and yes if this

[00:17:38] ally of yours

[00:17:40] botches four things in

[00:17:43] One day you can say you know what

[00:17:46] Maybe this doesn't need to be my ally anymore first and foremost you are allowed to change your opinions

[00:17:52] Okay, first of all second of all regarding kenzie

[00:17:56] Who who was kind of reminding me of kelly from last season kenzie is someone we need to keep our eye on kenzie can win this game

[00:18:02] But I leave the correct spelling of how the name is mother for continue

[00:18:07] regarding mother

[00:18:09] if

[00:18:10] Similarly, if I am in an alliance with someone and I sit back and watch them pilot taking with everyone

[00:18:17] I have my own observation. Oh this person is playing the game right? That's just what I see

[00:18:22] I don't know. I don't know what her and bond who we're talking about down there

[00:18:25] But then if that's backed up with someone a third party coming to me and saying the pitch

[00:18:31] That she said to me and that actually checks out with what I've kind of been observing now. It's like not only do I have my own

[00:18:41] Stant like views of things from afar now it's corroborated by someone saying something now. I'm like okay

[00:18:46] I can again

[00:18:47] Change my mind so it's not like I'm not I'm not I understand the value of alliances me down in loro got through the whole game like that

[00:18:55] But I also understand the the value in staying

[00:19:00] Malibu enough to say you know what maybe I should

[00:19:03] Ball out of this one or that one. That's all I my point was

[00:19:07] alliances are great. I used it. It helped me but

[00:19:11] You know, you should be able to change your mind as you are in life

[00:19:15] How did your alliance with buster rob and par

[00:19:18] Work out I didn't have one with them

[00:19:21] But I did get farther than both of them and winners at war

[00:19:25] Okay

[00:19:28] Um, I'll just add that

[00:19:32] I'm not gonna have to side with anyone but I think I kind of side a little bit with wendell here

[00:19:37] in the sense that this reminds me of

[00:19:40] The Lindsey vote um in my season right where I was I was riding with her

[00:19:45] I was riding with her, but then I saw how quickly and

[00:19:49] masterfully she was

[00:19:51] Connecting with geo and probably trying to get information out of geo and if they found out that I was working both of them

[00:19:57] I could have been next in line. So I was like I got to chop it off now

[00:20:02] So I can see the appeal for q2 want to and it's smart as a viewer right we're seeing that it and if he sees that on the eyelid

[00:20:10] I too my my red flag would have gone up um

[00:20:15] Yeah, I think that that's that's all I'll say though, but you have to be able to to

[00:20:19] Quickly adapt or else someone else is gonna come into I think I don't know

[00:20:24] I think this is an interesting discussion because well

[00:20:26] I don't think like what Bryce is saying what one goes saying are like diametrically opposed

[00:20:31] like I think both of those things are

[00:20:34] Valid in their own right

[00:20:36] But the thing that's more interesting to me

[00:20:39] That Bryce sort of brought up and I was thinking about this last night

[00:20:41] And I sort of forgot about it until you brought the sub-race is this idea

[00:20:46] This is gonna be kind of a weird connection

[00:20:49] I saw some sports analysis about

[00:20:51] The world's only reverse money ball right and so if you know money ball

[00:20:55] It's about the Oakland athletics and how they use analytics when they had like low budget

[00:21:01] To find like the most valuable players for like low prices

[00:21:05] And how like that sort of mentality has now dominated sports and this idea of reverse money balls

[00:21:10] Like if people are over over valuing and analytics

[00:21:14] How do you go back sort of to like the roots of the game and then like ignore analytics in a way that's affected

[00:21:20] And so to put this in survivor terms is what I was thinking about is

[00:21:24] We got

[00:21:27] So bring a back in the survivor it is this prompted me to think about the survivor episode because

[00:21:32] There's this whole notion now right that the numbers are everything

[00:21:36] I feel like especially in the new era

[00:21:37] It's like okay our tribe might be weak

[00:21:40] But if I've got my numbers, you know, we'll go far will be good

[00:21:44] And obviously on paper that's a great idea

[00:21:47] What I think that if too many people think that way and inevitably not all of them are gonna have the numbers in now your

[00:21:53] Sacrificing the strength of your tribe

[00:21:55] So now I'm wondering

[00:21:57] Is it now like a cycle of strategy and survivor where we go back to like season one

[00:22:02] Strategy of like let's just keep the tribe strong because I feel like that's an idea that is getting super lost now

[00:22:09] But in the new era where there's fewer swaps smaller tribes that actually should be the priority

[00:22:15] It's like more valuable than ever. It's average strong tribe because we see time and time again

[00:22:19] Every season there's like at least one tribe that never goes to tribal pre-merge

[00:22:24] And to just be able to go to the merge without ever having to vote is like a huge advantage

[00:22:28] Um, we also have seen that it's not really an advantage because we see the tribes that have gone to tribal more

[00:22:34] They are way more savvy than the ones that just get there for the first time

[00:22:39] Well, it's heavy you could be a great tribal council player

[00:22:42] But if there's only three of you it could be a little more difficult than if there are five six of you

[00:22:48] Exactly and I think

[00:22:49] The price your your point is absolutely true

[00:22:51] Like you think about a Malcolm in a Denise

[00:22:53] Where they go to every tribal name merge really strong and both make a deep run in the game

[00:22:58] But if you think about the strategy from their initial tribe

[00:23:02] In general for the for the other players that got voted out obviously that is not a good

[00:23:08] Strategy like across the board of course in a Malcolm in Denise situation they know their connection was good

[00:23:13] So with good for them

[00:23:14] But maybe there's other players on that tribe or in the new era that are like

[00:23:18] Well, I don't really cave we lose because I have my people

[00:23:20] But if everyone is thinking they have their people some people are gonna go home

[00:23:25] um

[00:23:26] I agree with that statement jack however

[00:23:28] I do feel like in the new error there are more incentives to go to tribal now

[00:23:35] Because if you find the

[00:23:37] Box that you

[00:23:39] You know, so I mean but I hear what you out through

[00:23:43] I definitely disagree with that because if you

[00:23:46] Like this beware advantage if you find the lock box

[00:23:50] Your your only detriment is that you lose your vote

[00:23:52] But if you never have to go to tribal then it's like nothing ever happened at all

[00:23:57] But if we do we know if you don't go to tribal and we make the merge

[00:24:03] I don't think we know yet. I think my guess is I can get your vote back

[00:24:06] But you would not have an idol that's where I think it will be interesting because as the merge approaches

[00:24:11] Rice like yeah, you're right. You it would be we might see a player be like okay

[00:24:15] We haven't got a tribal and I would like my idols to go to the merge let me throw this challenge

[00:24:20] I think that could happen that could be very interesting

[00:24:22] But that's obviously way different to be like okay

[00:24:24] This is probably the last challenge before the merge then to be episode one voting out

[00:24:30] theoretically strong players

[00:24:32] Or episode two thinking about doing the same thing

[00:24:36] I don't know it's like obviously if you know you have like a rider die

[00:24:40] It's very solid

[00:24:42] but

[00:24:43] If you're just like okay, well, I don't really care as long as we keep the numbers all of a sudden you're down like

[00:24:47] four or three people and it's like I'm the odd man out now you like I have my lines and

[00:24:53] To my point kind of what I was thinking like we saw last season with like a reboot

[00:24:56] I think with this three tribe split

[00:24:59] It's so important in the early game to just kind of like maximize your social umbrella of like of course

[00:25:05] You have those close bonds with the people that you survive with but to just have like four or five people in the game

[00:25:11] That you started with that you all know each other

[00:25:14] I think as a huge advantage compared to like an Emily and a Caleb last season going in

[00:25:18] Knowing to the merge knowing very few people

[00:25:22] It kind of put them out of tough standpoint. Like right

[00:25:25] I think uh my positive on cue was I love the fact that him and tiff are locked in like I love the fact that

[00:25:34] they're locked in you know

[00:25:37] The as a black man. I love to see it right like I love to see them working together and I love to see that

[00:25:43] It seems very organic. It seems like you can be yourself

[00:25:46] It seems like Tiffany can be herself and they're giving each other the information

[00:25:51] And so I do like that about you

[00:25:53] So I just you know was a little like

[00:25:56] Feeling if you don't want to work with Kenzie like

[00:26:00] sit back

[00:26:02] Hey, you know see what you gonna do like I yeah

[00:26:06] Do we see a world where um I love their I love the optics and the power and the strength in their in their connection

[00:26:13] I mean it's the it's the power they can they can't really grant

[00:26:19] Is

[00:26:24] And man activity is there as well uh but what

[00:26:29] What

[00:26:31] Um what what I was saying is is there a world do we see a world where um one of them does hold Kenzie higher than

[00:26:39] This counterpart. I think

[00:26:41] Tiffany is crazy if she don't keep both of them options open

[00:26:45] I think that Tiffany's best well

[00:26:47] I mean

[00:26:49] Because again, they never reminds me a Kelly but I think is a world where you

[00:26:54] You keep the door open

[00:26:56] My next question to that is who is in the best position out of these three mother

[00:27:03] Kenzie Henzie

[00:27:10] I think it's Tiffany

[00:27:12] Well yeah, well Tiffany because she has the idol right but

[00:27:14] Also but she's

[00:27:16] Really riding die and clearly Kenzie is gonna ride for her so it's like who's no one's gonna turn on her

[00:27:23] That's what I'm asking without considering the idol whose position best between them and I think

[00:27:28] Tiffany you think I think tiff right right right uh yeah given that logic yes yeah

[00:27:35] Okay, just ask

[00:27:39] I'm ready I'm right we're gonna fight

[00:27:42] Okay, all right let's go to the next tribe Jack

[00:27:44] Let's get so we bounce over to the Nomin tribe the orange tribe

[00:27:49] We see Venus is struggling to connect with people you know tevin sort of position himself as the

[00:27:55] The king of this tribe and

[00:27:57] Venus is sort of like the one person he hasn't connected with

[00:28:01] And you know in order to maintain her game soda sort of decides to say hey

[00:28:06] I really like Venus, but if she's the odd one out. I got a distance myself a little bit

[00:28:11] And we see that sort of an awkward conversation where Venus is like hey do you want to talk today?

[00:28:15] And so it was like maybe not today and it's like

[00:28:18] All right, you only got 26 of them so to just be like are not today. I'm good is

[00:28:22] definitely a bad sign that Venus acknowledges

[00:28:25] um

[00:28:27] And she sort of figuring out, you know how i'm sort of on my own here

[00:28:29] I'm not clicking with anyone what do I do on the flip side of that we have randon

[00:28:33] Who sort of also a little bit isolated because we as we've seen we sort of have tevin soda

[00:28:39] And hunter a sort of like the big three here and Liz is a bit of a wild card

[00:28:44] So randon's like how do i fit it?

[00:28:46] Fortunately he's able to find the beware advantage

[00:28:48] It's the same one sort of that tevin found so they're gonna have to wait until they lose a challenge

[00:28:53] But you know randon decides to say hey there's a big three on my tribe

[00:28:58] But I'm not a part of like I need to put something in motion

[00:29:01] Liz is an absolute wild card

[00:29:03] So i'm going to go to the person that I actually thought I should trust the least and make an alliance which is Venus

[00:29:09] um

[00:29:10] Obviously, I don't know how i feel about

[00:29:12] Opening up with the information of her. It's like hey didn't trust you but

[00:29:16] I need you now. I have a advantage like it's a little bit

[00:29:20] You know i feel like maybe he was making those inroads a little bit before that we didn't see

[00:29:24] But i mean what i think this nami dynamic is super interesting and where we see these two

[00:29:29] Like strategic players kind of make a bond out of necessity where they don't trust each other really

[00:29:35] Um

[00:29:36] The nami dynamic like said pretty interesting. What do we think about what's going on on this orange beach

[00:29:42] If i could get a little emotional

[00:29:45] For 2.3 seconds

[00:29:47] I just want to shout out to our youtube commenters

[00:29:50] We appreciate all your intellect and your thoughts

[00:29:53] And you know, we always appreciate the comments but there was one comment left last week by Mrs. B

[00:30:00] And it gave me pause

[00:30:03] She said wow watching tevin on this season must be a surreal experience for you brice

[00:30:08] I felt especially when you were talking about your pregame revelations about hunter

[00:30:13] It's so wild to see the parallels between your experiences and now

[00:30:18] Tevens and how fundamentally it's changed

[00:30:21] I imagine it's so much more intense and meaningful and probably a little complicated for you

[00:30:26] Watching it having lived through it on your own season and fighting so hard to change the system

[00:30:31] So that players like tevin have a better chance to succeed

[00:30:35] Just wanted to let you know as a viewer of the show and a listener of the podcast is very moving and beautiful

[00:30:41] Watching your impact play out. I hope you know how much you are treasured and a important part of the community you are

[00:30:48] um

[00:30:49] Say it again

[00:30:50] I uh

[00:30:52] I really appreciate it that you know sometimes i just i struggle with

[00:30:56] Receiving my flowers and i never really looked at it like that until

[00:31:00] Miss B kind of explained it because it's like in a world

[00:31:04] Tevin could be me

[00:31:06] Hunter is

[00:31:07] Jeremiah and you know soda is uh

[00:31:11] Alexis and

[00:31:13] My my my how the tables have turned and it's like here we have this

[00:31:18] This person who people say is so much like me and look at him running the try

[00:31:23] So i just wanted to just shout out tevin because

[00:31:27] uh

[00:31:28] It is interesting to see that uh and i

[00:31:31] That comment really resonated with me

[00:31:33] So i just wanted to bring that to the posse we appreciate your comments and uh

[00:31:37] I loved it

[00:31:38] One thing i say often is that survivor wasn't ready for brice the time that survivor got on

[00:31:43] What was it 23 years ago

[00:31:47] In the 90s but

[00:31:49] Just uh

[00:31:52] Tevin is awesome to watch

[00:31:54] You know he has all the personality that you have brice, you know he's this

[00:31:58] magnetic hilarious fun

[00:32:02] Super like

[00:32:03] The way he tells stories is amazing and uh

[00:32:06] I call him tevin angelo

[00:32:08] And tevin angelo

[00:32:10] He's gonna be he's gonna be great to watch you know

[00:32:12] So

[00:32:13] And that that is a great comment that's what's up

[00:32:16] Yeah, and again i just love to see uh

[00:32:18] A person like him who i see so much of myself and and

[00:32:21] To show up as their full self and it not be a liability

[00:32:24] It not be uh something that people isolate

[00:32:27] And in fact, it's something that makes them the leader of the tribe

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[00:33:40] Uh now

[00:33:43] I see myself a tevin but it's hard for me to relate in his position on the track right like he has their pass me

[00:33:50] I love it. However

[00:33:53] My heart goes out to my girl Venus, right? Like i feel like i can sort of uh

[00:34:00] I see her and i feel like i just i know what it's like to be out there

[00:34:05] And it's like no matter what you do like ain't nobody seeing you and i know people feel like different things

[00:34:11] But i um i hope that

[00:34:14] Venus can turn it into a fly trap and you know take somebody in like you know i want her to

[00:34:22] gain some power

[00:34:26] The only thing i'm worried about is um at least the way they showed it right in the filming of it

[00:34:32] Is randon comes up to her at night right he tells her about this advantage that isn't an idol yet

[00:34:38] And from what it looks like the film they film her confessional right after right so she's already

[00:34:44] This is going down. I have this idol. I have this advantage. I'm gonna do me with it

[00:34:50] And i know that the hype is real and like in moments like that that's all you could think about

[00:34:56] But that's where i worry because it's not hers

[00:34:59] Yet right like randon does not have an idol and sometimes when we get some like

[00:35:04] There's moments where i was getting power hungry and just like what can i do to like

[00:35:08] Get this person out that i've lost vision of the bigger game

[00:35:13] So that's the only thing i worry about is it's not hers

[00:35:17] But yet she she has plans to do stuff with it and what if randon flips and he's like nah

[00:35:21] I'm i'm gonna give you shit or like yeah, that's the only thing i worry about

[00:35:25] It's good bro

[00:35:27] I'm gonna say i feel like it's like

[00:35:30] We in middle school and they pick in the dodge ball play is right like it

[00:35:35] Like you know you've sat out for three games and nobody's picked you

[00:35:39] And then finally on this third round they like

[00:35:42] Carla you're it like you know car like we go on one day but we win it and it's like actually Carla

[00:35:48] We don't know what's about to happen

[00:35:50] But i feel like he just tagged her in and i like i feel like that energy is like yes

[00:35:56] But also it's like i do have this same because i was like since it ain't show idle

[00:36:01] Yeah, but knowledge is power

[00:36:03] And if it happens to go down she can utilize this information

[00:36:10] So to be clear this is an idol that

[00:36:13] Once they once they lose then it's um then it's activated has to dig it up and do something to gain power of it right

[00:36:21] We had a two hour episode last weekend this week explaining that window yes

[00:36:26] All i needed was a yes okay you got it you have four hours talking

[00:36:31] And may i finish my sentence price

[00:36:33] So we're talking about

[00:36:35] Two people that are on the bottom or on the outs now sharing this info with each other

[00:36:40] Now if you're forced to go to tribal

[00:36:45] Eyes are already on these people

[00:36:47] Now it's time to activate this idol i'm just saying like

[00:36:51] To me it seems like a lot can go wrong in this arrangement when

[00:36:56] When the two those two are the two sharing this information with each other a lot could go right though

[00:37:00] And i think that

[00:37:03] This is a case where either of them can kind of almost throw each other under the bus and the last thing i'll say is

[00:37:10] When you're on a tribal six and there are three people that seem very tight

[00:37:14] You don't have the majority so they need to do what they need to do to figure out this list situation

[00:37:20] I know lizz

[00:37:23] Talk about all her money. I get that's what's up

[00:37:26] Let me hold some but like

[00:37:29] Not you or survive it's all in a row you have real time millionaire

[00:37:35] Like

[00:37:36] So yeah, so there's no majority so like not only do they need to figure that out

[00:37:41] But like yo get lizz in the mix too. That's all i'm saying i said a lot

[00:37:45] For sure for sure now

[00:37:46] It's definitely interesting seeing like

[00:37:49] Randon and Venus both seem like scrappy players

[00:37:51] So to just see them be like we got no one else like

[00:37:57] It's like we don't see that a lot but it makes sense right it's like let's figure something out

[00:38:01] We're both on a lake really high on here

[00:38:04] We last two people on the world

[00:38:08] There are games over on a zoom call for her company like on the beach and then like soda

[00:38:14] Tevin and hunter like

[00:38:17] Reminacy about camp or something it's like what if where are we like

[00:38:20] Um, I like I

[00:38:23] So far on this season like I haven't really

[00:38:26] Had any players and i'm like really connected to yet that have made it really like interesting for me

[00:38:31] But if I had to pick one i would probably say it's Venus because i just love like

[00:38:36] I feel like immediately like the first conversation we had about her

[00:38:40] She's like okay my back is against the wall. I got I got a loaded gun like i'm ready to shoot out my own team like whatever

[00:38:47] Like she's just i don't know if she's gonna win but she anytime the target is gonna switch towards her

[00:38:53] I know it's gonna be some entertaining stuff and she's already ready to throw her whole squad under the bus

[00:38:58] Um, and clearly i mean she's got some some strategic knowledge that

[00:39:03] If she gets the right people she might be able to unlock that and really make some things happen

[00:39:08] So it's been really fun to watch her and then random i was asleep in on a little bit too

[00:39:12] But i like the the moves he was making this episode

[00:39:15] I do think like Carla said you know telling about this beware advantage right away is a little bit like all right

[00:39:21] But i'm like yeah, they're both going ball balls to the wall so can we know one last person i want to talk about pre

[00:39:29] The challenge soda

[00:39:33] Now i love my girl. I love me some soda right like i i feel like if i could pick the energy that i would want to play like

[00:39:42] On my original season it would be soda right like i love her energy. I am almost

[00:39:49] Worried that i love her energy so much

[00:39:52] I am worried that she's almost like over

[00:39:56] Playing in the sense of this just my one hot tape when she saw that people returning on Venus she was like

[00:40:04] Seika like is there a world where

[00:40:07] There

[00:40:09] Like use that like you like i don't know but again you tell me window you tell me Carla

[00:40:15] Y'all have gone farther in the game than me like is there a world in youtube jack?

[00:40:19] Is there a world where it's like okay, I know that information but let me be a kensy

[00:40:25] Let me like give her an outlet let me try to like

[00:40:31] I think about like a like a Kayla last season right with the Emily and i you know

[00:40:37] I'm not the best person to speak on this but i totally agree with you brice

[00:40:39] I don't think the answer is ever to just completely ice someone out

[00:40:43] Maybe you go off with them a little bit less

[00:40:46] But you should still be like nice to someone if i was connecting with someone and then because i was on the house

[00:40:52] They just like stop talking me i'd be like damn that's like

[00:40:55] So fake like not so i mean game. That's just like now you're just not gonna mess with me because like i'm on the house

[00:41:00] That's like why let's just whack so i definitely think your soda

[00:41:04] It's not a bad idea to to cut ties a little bit

[00:41:08] But i think we always see the best players and the people that usually win are the ones that are able to balance a lot of delicate

[00:41:13] Relationships rather than just

[00:41:15] Iceing people out for the sake of their alliance because then you have no options other than your alliance

[00:41:20] Right and again, i'm saying. I'm mad at her decision because it's like you know you need to

[00:41:26] Stay with your people, but i'm like is that a missed opportunity for you to like

[00:41:31] Plan a little see what are low-garden

[00:41:35] Yeah, i totally would have done that like just so i can get

[00:41:40] One people worried for each other and not for me right like oh this is what's happening

[00:41:46] I'd i would play both sides in that case

[00:41:49] But at the same time when you're like pre-jury

[00:41:52] It's also easier for you just to be like if this is an expert's money to go

[00:41:55] They're not going to be in the jury. It's not gonna impact my game if i do make you know

[00:41:59] Like you also think about where are the numbers um

[00:42:03] I'm kind of torn

[00:42:05] But i can options are important

[00:42:07] I'd go with the options and yeah, it's a little early to just kind of like let someone go

[00:42:13] And i guess another thought that you don't normally think about is say you and that person

[00:42:18] You're not speaking the same language right like you know

[00:42:20] It's like you know say you have that little bit of friction so

[00:42:24] In so does case where it's like i love you, but like

[00:42:27] Your communication style may not be working with mine

[00:42:30] So maybe it really is easier for soda to like cut the losses then actually say like let me invest in this

[00:42:36] But so again, it's always you know we're Monday morning quarterback

[00:42:41] But we have yeah

[00:42:43] This tribe is a strong tribe and like they perform

[00:42:48] Like oh despite despite you know

[00:42:51] Them coming back to camp and there being whatever rifts and whatnot

[00:42:54] They get in the challenge and there might be those rifts in the challenge

[00:42:57] They still do a good job in these challenges. So

[00:43:00] There's a there is a likelihood that they go pretty far together and that you know

[00:43:05] So it might have been a politically better move for her to just piece things up a little bit with

[00:43:10] With Venus at the time instead of writing her off

[00:43:13] But those are the tribes that make it even more dangerous

[00:43:18] For that win so much that win when you

[00:43:23] That's when that's when the a crack one open. Yeah, and Venus is ready for that and she said that

[00:43:28] Mm-hmm

[00:43:29] Yeah, it's got the salt pepper

[00:43:32] She write a scrambled am eggs

[00:43:34] Can we can I ask you guys?

[00:43:37] What is it that made

[00:43:39] Venus

[00:43:40] Kind of ostracized from jump on this tribe

[00:43:44] Mm-hmm they're saying that it was her

[00:43:47] That like mmm the vibe the vibe was more like a down vibe

[00:43:52] Her vibe is kind of down or

[00:43:55] All right, cuz I don't understand why but I'm trying to wrap my head around how she's responding to this

[00:44:02] And then that makes me think like that makes me think things

[00:44:05] So I'm trying to get to the why is it that she's ostracized in the first place

[00:44:10] It well she's one has said that she's a more introverted person

[00:44:14] And there are big personalities

[00:44:17] So it almost makes me think of a couture in a bruise a little bit right where you have these big bubbly personalities and you just might be like

[00:44:27] I know how it is when you out there, and it's like so much is going on and you just sit there and be quiet now

[00:44:33] I do have a hot take but I also think that

[00:44:36] I

[00:44:38] Reserves my thought so yes, so she's introverted. Um, she feels like she isn't heard and then from soda's mouth on the show

[00:44:47] It's she said that she thinks that Venus often plays the victim

[00:44:52] And then

[00:44:53] Venus said that with tevin tevin's runs with everyone but has never made an attempt to talk to her

[00:44:59] But I don't think I think tevin has said that I don't actually don't know what tevin has said about Venus

[00:45:04] He said it's kind of similar like her her attitude and different things, but I also feel like

[00:45:12] And I mean is respectfully but I also feel like when people

[00:45:18] We judge people by how they look right so I also feel like how you know Venus may look to other people that they expect a certain type of

[00:45:28] Energy from someone like that and I think that maybe Venus doesn't necessarily give that energy

[00:45:34] She's like one of the people where it's like I'm gonna sit back

[00:45:37] I ain't going to just open up to anybody like almost like a jazz

[00:45:40] And so I think that that might be a little off-putting to this tribe that seems like so kumbaya and it's like

[00:45:48] We want to work with you like you know like we yellow we're bright

[00:45:50] And then it's like you're kind of sort of met with that energy. That's a little off-putting

[00:45:57] So you think it has something to do with

[00:46:00] Her appearance not matching up with her being extroverted

[00:46:03] I think it's just a lot of different combinations. I also think like

[00:46:09] Just perception-wise. I mean they we talked about a little bit at the beginning of the tribe

[00:46:13] Like how they thought she was it's they were calling her princess and stuff

[00:46:17] She's you know very good-looking like has this

[00:46:19] Put together look even on the island where maybe they associate with that with like

[00:46:24] Privilege not saying she is or she isn't and then that main group of like tevon soda and hunter

[00:46:30] Feels like you know, maybe they're a little more like southern

[00:46:32] Maybe they didn't grow up super comfortable

[00:46:35] And so maybe they immediately kind of wrote her off

[00:46:38] And then you just have the other people being a Liz and a

[00:46:42] Randon where for Venus those are people that are 10 plus years older than her

[00:46:46] You know Liz clearly kind of a wild car randon is like an older guy who initially didn't really have a lot of trust in her

[00:46:53] Because the whole part of the association where there's just not really anyone in this tribe that seems like they click with Venus as a person

[00:47:00] And I feel like sometimes that's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy where they perceive her to be off putting or like

[00:47:07] Standoffish and so she's like why don't they want that they don't want to talk to me like I'm gonna be standoffish

[00:47:12] And then like oh she's standoffish

[00:47:17] She makes suggestions they kind of do the other thing and so it's like again

[00:47:21] I try I when I tell you I feel Venus there are so many times in my life that like I can relate to that and sometimes it can be a self-fulfilling prophecy and

[00:47:31] But what I say to that when people give that analogy

[00:47:33] Well, sometimes it's hard to get out to self-fulfill the prophecy. It's easier said than done

[00:47:38] And so when you are on this island and you are ostracized

[00:47:43] It could be a difficult thing so and I

[00:47:47] Not having played survivor, but I think even like in any so like so like the circle or any other social game

[00:47:53] Sometimes if this isn't necessarily a good thing, but sometimes having a common

[00:47:59] Dislike or distaste for someone in your group helps you with the other people together and so

[00:48:05] With game where everyone's you know, it's a social game. It's a game of tribalism and voting people out

[00:48:11] once there's some momentum to be like oh

[00:48:13] We're gonna take out Venus like we don't really mess with her whether it's justified or not

[00:48:18] It's kind of easy to just be like

[00:48:20] For everyone else be like oh if that's the group consensus

[00:48:22] Yeah, I don't like Venus like that's and then we'll take her out and that's just like the easy thing to do

[00:48:28] Whereas like in real life, you know

[00:48:29] If you're a social person you're going to kind of make an effort with everybody

[00:48:32] But in the game survived we're doing that might actually hurt you because then you become associated with this sort of like the black swan of the group

[00:48:40] um

[00:48:41] Where you know, it's easy like once there's like like

[00:48:44] Let's do some momentum to be like okay. She's the odd one out that that just that ball continues to roll and get bigger

[00:48:52] I do want to say one thing that I found interesting um was a conversation that Venus and soda had where Venus was like

[00:49:00] This is how I feel being in this tribe and then I don't know word for word but soda was like

[00:49:07] Okay, can you make sure you know?

[00:49:09] You don't say you when talking like it was a very direct conversation that I

[00:49:15] Was like a little shocked about because you rarely hear at least I rarely heard people being very direct with each other

[00:49:21] about how they were feeling and

[00:49:23] I often feel like sometimes it's better masked those feelings right like if if I were soda

[00:49:28] I would have been like I'm so sorry that this is how you're feeling like

[00:49:31] I'm gonna check myself next time just to like ensure that she's feeling good

[00:49:35] But then if I'm feeling the opposite way, I wouldn't you know like

[00:49:38] That conversation was just interesting. That's all I did

[00:49:41] It's interesting too because

[00:49:43] You know at least in episode one and eight of the beginning is episode

[00:49:46] Right when they're sort of breaking off so it was like you know, I love Venus as a person but like right now

[00:49:51] But as the episode progresses, it's kind of like

[00:49:54] I don't think they really like each other as people like so it was like okay

[00:49:58] Venus is kind of like plays the victim

[00:50:00] Da-da-da-da-da Venus is like every time we win a beauty soda like rips it out of my hands

[00:50:06] Which I think is like a just about just about reason that we got him annoyed

[00:50:11] But there definitely seems like it's like

[00:50:14] Oh, I love them as a person, but I just but it's like okay maybe uh

[00:50:18] We can we can recognize that maybe we're not the best of friends anymore

[00:50:22] Yeah, and again listening to a little bit of on the fire

[00:50:26] I see is that I'm looking at a cooking show

[00:50:31] With uh what's Jeff Pogge?

[00:50:32] I guess fire on fire on fire he was talking about banu

[00:50:37] Uh, but I think that this situation could play a little bit to Venus and

[00:50:41] Sosota where it's like I think we all have our perceived

[00:50:45] We get out there with our own baggage and it's like when do we make the switch to like just ain't working

[00:50:50] How can I switch and again with that soda and Venus conversation right where

[00:50:55] Venus is saying you and soda is like

[00:50:58] You saying you were then what one I think Venus meant you right uh and so

[00:51:03] Then she kind of pedal back a little bit right uh, but in a different world if

[00:51:09] That conversation went a little different

[00:51:13] That could have like cemented them and that could have been like

[00:51:17] Yeah, I almost wish Venus was like actually I'm kind of talking to you with saying like

[00:51:22] I was hoping we would connect like I love everything like you know what I mean

[00:51:25] But I also and this is what I said about soda, which is what I love soda is that she locked in

[00:51:31] Soda is playing right like I just feel like

[00:51:35] All four cylinders are on go and I think that

[00:51:40] It might be stopping her

[00:51:43] To humanize Venus a little bit right because she's like listen

[00:51:46] That's your bag and you gotta unpack that we play a survivor. I don't got time to go

[00:51:49] But it's like I almost feel like

[00:51:51] That is true, but also I think what we have learned is that it's these human connections

[00:51:57] That really can propel you so it's like I see both sides of it

[00:52:05] But now let's head on down to the green try shout out the dr. Maria okay

[00:52:13] I'm not all the classic of all the tribes this try probably has the least

[00:52:18] strategically like going down

[00:52:21] It reminds me a lot of like bellow from last season where the girls all come together

[00:52:26] They pull in Brando or in this case they pull in a Charlie and then

[00:52:31] There's a little bit of a middle group that former good charler guys are like okay, we gotta combat this

[00:52:36] They try to pull Charlie back in now Charlie goes to Maria is like hey

[00:52:40] We got options. I would like to lock in with you and whatever we decide we decide

[00:52:44] But I want us to be

[00:52:47] And I felt like Maria and Charlie came to an agreement like very

[00:52:51] Solidly and feels like they're both on the same Maria was very like

[00:52:54] Open to get in the mix which

[00:52:57] Dr. Maria she's been cooking so far both episodes

[00:53:01] And that minivan as she is

[00:53:05] Okay, Dr. Maria gas that minivan up she got her seatbelt on the oil change ain't no rotors wrong with their dogs

[00:53:13] Caravan like Dr. Maria is

[00:53:15] Coasty yeah, she's in a good spot

[00:53:20] And so you know with that strategic dynamic going on we get a lot of you know their camp life

[00:53:26] Band builds a fire and he has a lot of strong emotions

[00:53:29] You know growing up being sort of an outcast in some senses found his love

[00:53:34] For rock music and playing the guitar now. He's out on survivor live in the dream

[00:53:38] He's able to get things going and he's blending quite well with his tribe. He has this kind of different unique energy

[00:53:45] But it's just infectious and everyone's really enjoying it

[00:53:49] um, we also see that

[00:53:52] Charlie Ben do this long-winded

[00:53:56] bat song battle name off

[00:54:01] Which was an interesting segment

[00:54:03] I don't know if you guys like 35 minutes of it but

[00:54:07] Charlie clearly loves Taylor Swift and survivor scenes CBS seems to be capitalizing on that because

[00:54:13] As we know you put Taylor Swift in any form of media people are gonna watch

[00:54:18] But yeah, that's kind of the cut and dry of the see good tribe. What's what sort of jump announced you got so far over here

[00:54:26] For me right

[00:54:29] Okay

[00:54:30] Q has the

[00:54:33] aesthetic

[00:54:35] The body

[00:54:37] The build

[00:54:41] That's what he has who let's get so yeah, you know but also so we clear

[00:54:46] You're saying all that strive hold on

[00:54:48] Well I mean I know

[00:54:50] But so

[00:54:52] Austin is still my number one, but you know Q is you know is this is his

[00:54:58] Boot camp type of style like I want to be sleeping and I want you to be like get up. Okay

[00:55:04] Okay, but I think it is

[00:55:07] Benjamin

[00:55:10] Is something about his personality is something about his like energy that when I just stop and think about my love for Ben

[00:55:19] It's like

[00:55:21] My my purchase like why is my purchase getting wet like I don't know

[00:55:26] It's just like Ben has like this like cuteness about him that I love his energy

[00:55:31] And I think him even sharing about him growing up and him stuttering

[00:55:34] You would see someone like a band and you would just think that they've been confident all their life

[00:55:38] And to know that like it has been

[00:55:40] Struggle in a work and progress and for him to just be living his best life like it's like

[00:55:46] Yeah, I'm I

[00:55:47] I mean, it's almost as if like call me a piece of paper and uh put me through the shredder

[00:55:59] How you know, oh no, it's just so

[00:56:03] Wow, I'm just saying

[00:56:06] What okay? Are you are you

[00:56:12] I'm just saying I mean listen. I'm just being honest. Is there something about Ben's spirit

[00:56:17] That like his just

[00:56:20] It's his his energy is what I find attractive like I like you dog just like okay shred me up

[00:56:27] Yeah, no you definitely describe it in your own special way, but definitely Ben has a unique

[00:56:32] levelable

[00:56:33] Energy that is is you know this see-go-trod is the most positive

[00:56:38] Good-five tribe and I'm sure Ben is a major factor in spearheading that so um

[00:56:45] I also

[00:56:47] And worried about him but yes because I am I'm worried about him, but I'm not worried about him

[00:56:53] But I am worried about him right because Tim

[00:56:57] Hey, hey, listen, you know listen this grandma and mama told him

[00:57:02] Told him a lot of things, but I love the fact that he is like keen in on the girls are doing something

[00:57:09] We got to go like I love the fact that he's like played like he is constantly

[00:57:14] Keeping his eye out

[00:57:17] And then I love Charlie right because I would have thought that Charlie would have just like stayed with the Charlie's angels

[00:57:22] But Charlie got with Dr. Maria and basically was like listen, okay? We need to do

[00:57:29] Which which way is going to work for us and I said okay you better shake it off

[00:57:34] Charlie

[00:57:35] Yeah, but I also would love to challenge Charlie

[00:57:39] His love for Taylor Swift. I feel like it's my love for a destiny child and I feel like I could go song for song for song for song for song for song for him

[00:57:51] With Destiny's Child with Destiny's Child

[00:57:53] Over 100 Destiny's Child song I can I

[00:57:57] To they have

[00:58:00] And we are not first of all first of all

[00:58:02] Carla

[00:58:05] That's the only thing I wonder do they have

[00:58:08] They have okay, they have multiple albums. They've got Christmas albums. Okay, so listen we could go

[00:58:15] Listen the answer is no Carla survivor

[00:58:19] Independent woman one and two emotions cater to you lose my breath t-shirt

[00:58:26] killing time

[00:58:29] eight

[00:58:30] Soldier already sent soldier no, we didn't say soldier. Okay fine nine nasty girl 10

[00:58:38] Uh

[00:58:39] Second nature 11 no no no no part two

[00:58:45] With wideclap with wideclap well okay

[00:58:53] Eight days of Christmas

[00:58:56] Little drummer boy

[00:59:01] I mean, I don't like if you want me to keep going I can but I'm just saying

[00:59:06] Praise praise

[00:59:08] I'm all Wikipedia right now. There's like 25 total

[00:59:12] Jack Jack Jack

[00:59:14] Jack Marie-Ankins that's a lie and well we are not gonna do it

[00:59:18] We're not gonna sit up on the first of all Jack

[00:59:21] Music with you number one

[00:59:24] They have more than 25 albums, okay? I don't know songs thought

[00:59:30] Jack that just doesn't even make sense

[00:59:32] I'm looking at

[00:59:34] That they have more than 25 songs

[00:59:39] Jack

[00:59:43] His

[00:59:44] As we compete Wikipedia articles like a real short, right? Yeah, well we I don't need the first of all

[00:59:49] I'm not gonna argue with no Wikipedia about the top selling girl group in the world

[00:59:54] Yeah

[00:59:56] And that's all the two albums

[00:59:59] And that's why I'm not discrediting because the fact that you name like 20 or 25 songs again

[01:00:05] But

[01:00:08] Say my name bills bills bills

[01:00:11] When you pay my money. No, it's questioning. I'm not questioning your knowledge of

[01:00:15] I'm just saying Charlie

[01:00:17] Come see me hey Jack

[01:00:20] One you say that

[01:00:21] If there's only 25 songs is a lot easier to memorize all 25 right

[01:00:26] One would say that

[01:00:29] Jack named six jack Carlos songs

[01:00:32] easy

[01:00:34] Sylvia

[01:00:36] Cody banks sundown what's popping Tyler hero

[01:00:42] Little secret

[01:00:44] Five peace damn you're clearly looking at the screen Jack

[01:00:50] Close your eyes and say

[01:00:53] You

[01:00:55] My

[01:00:57] Three

[01:01:01] Thank you Jack uh window close your eyes and name six

[01:01:05] Nipsey hustle songs

[01:01:08] Dedication

[01:01:10] Hustle and motivate

[01:01:12] Blue Laces

[01:01:17] Victory lap

[01:01:19] We say six we said six that was five all right

[01:01:21] Let's go with

[01:01:23] Nipsey and Dom Kennedy uh

[01:01:26] I said song titles man. I'm about to give you multiple songs of theirs

[01:01:32] Yeah, as I say all right thank you

[01:01:34] We out okay Carla take your glasses off

[01:01:41] Okay

[01:01:43] What's the artist you like

[01:01:45] Oh, okay, give me seven Gaga songs okay

[01:01:51] Poker face bad romance born this way million reasons Judas

[01:01:55] Electric chapel

[01:01:57] Joanne I think that's seven one more okay

[01:02:00] Well Carla clearly

[01:02:03] The speed was the best so it's Carla me jack then when doing

[01:02:09] Thank you

[01:02:11] Anyway

[01:02:14] Back to our program

[01:02:16] Sorry, thank you, Carla. I'm gonna try it. Sorry because Jack tried me

[01:02:22] Oh

[01:02:24] Justice trial only has seven songs you better try this

[01:02:31] But not me

[01:02:34] Yes

[01:02:37] The only thing I have to say about this tribe and looking at my notes um

[01:02:41] I was about to come for you. I was gonna say what you bought the same about that

[01:02:45] No, not about this issue of tribal

[01:02:49] Um, I just think that Charlie Maria smart smart move

[01:02:52] It's the best position they could be in you don't know where the pendulum will swing

[01:02:56] But as long as you have two with another two your set

[01:03:00] Reminds me of James and I later half a cocoa when we figured it out one more like this is actually the best thing for us now

[01:03:07] It's full proof unless obviously something happens

[01:03:12] Just

[01:03:14] We made it to the mark

[01:03:17] Just just for the sake so like we said Seagans situation seems fairly straightforward

[01:03:24] But just for the sake of you know thought experiment if they were to go to tribal

[01:03:29] Who do you guys think would be the first first time?

[01:03:34] I know I don't I don't want to say Tim, but I I feel like

[01:03:40] I feel like it would be a guy

[01:03:42] Uh

[01:03:44] Why don't he be bad? Well

[01:03:48] As Maria as Maria ever talked about being close with the women

[01:03:52] So they on the first episode they kind of formed a alliance like right off the bat

[01:03:57] um and

[01:03:58] Yeah, but I

[01:04:00] For me when I think about that tribe. I think about like Jim right

[01:04:03] I just think about the first couple of seconds that we seen her on that first episode she was essentially saying like

[01:04:11] Outdoor gasoline on everybody and I got the match like I'm here to play so for me

[01:04:17] I just wonder if she gets a whiff of

[01:04:21] The Charlie and Dr. Maria

[01:04:24] I feel like she's a Jim is a wild car in the best way possible

[01:04:29] Uh-huh

[01:04:31] I'm we need to see some more gem because right now

[01:04:35] Well, I'm gonna say like I'm not even questioning what she can or can't do

[01:04:38] It's just like I don't really know because that

[01:04:40] Right now is giving like

[01:04:43] Pre-merge group

[01:04:45] Not not because of her so we don't know anything about her like I could see them

[01:04:48] Yeah

[01:04:50] That's not I'm gonna say we haven't seen a lot of her. I like gem. I've got no problems with her

[01:04:55] But it's but I can see

[01:04:59] What do you think about you?

[01:05:01] I'm just thinking

[01:05:05] Also three first boot

[01:05:09] Yeah, yeah, obviously no um

[01:05:11] I'm just thinking like right so

[01:05:13] I think Maria and Charlie and really get spot

[01:05:15] And we've seen a good amount of Mariah

[01:05:18] Considering that

[01:05:20] You know see how's it on the tribal. It's like we've gotten a lot of her story where I don't necessarily think she would be the one who's out

[01:05:26] She seems pretty well adjusted

[01:05:28] Ben seems like he's in a good spot so to me that leaves Tim and that leaves gem and

[01:05:33] Maria

[01:05:34] Tim is a more house man

[01:05:36] No, that's right outside of window

[01:05:40] Uh there is something special about more house men

[01:05:45] They are resourceful

[01:05:47] They are

[01:05:49] No, I'm just I'm just thinking like you know

[01:05:53] And I don't want to include Wendy'sy in this but I mean jack is there's thing that like a HBCU's due called like homecoming and

[01:06:01] It is like a huge

[01:06:03] Big deal spelman and more house they do this whole little homecoming thing and Wendy brought me one time

[01:06:08] And I don't know how we got separated but

[01:06:11] We were separated for

[01:06:13] A couple of hours

[01:06:14] I don't think I saw him or Joey to the next day, but let me just tell you rice disappear as soon as we walked into homecoming rice

[01:06:21] Was home I

[01:06:23] I believe it

[01:06:24] So I went to temple so like our home commons were a little different. I wasn't ready for

[01:06:32] Ah yeah baby. Let me just tell you jack more house men

[01:06:37] Okay, rice

[01:06:40] Rice

[01:06:42] But outside of that experience though every person that I have met

[01:06:47] That has gone to more house right like they're dynamic in some way shape or form like they aren't

[01:06:54] Bills normally

[01:06:57] All right, okay, well

[01:07:00] You said all right look I said I think the people that are most likely to go are

[01:07:04] Are jamming Tim and you guys are like

[01:07:07] But I don't buy I said bag or Maria

[01:07:13] I would be in your ass

[01:07:21] So brace, what do you think we're going that?

[01:07:23] Who do I think will go yeah, um, I'm actually gonna say uh, I I'm gonna say Mariah

[01:07:31] Okay, that's that's fair

[01:07:33] Yeah, I say marantum and I think the folks that could flip

[01:07:38] I think Maria can go either way Maria's like I'm care right

[01:07:44] I I can bet you all $50 at the first tribal it won't be Maria

[01:07:49] Yeah Maria will be at tribal like listen

[01:07:53] Each and every one of y'all

[01:07:55] Right my name down

[01:07:58] I'ma find your address

[01:08:00] I'm a five where you live

[01:08:03] And because you know, ma dr. Maria's a mom she won't be like I'ma write a bad yelp review, okay

[01:08:10] You know them yelp people care about them yelp reviews

[01:08:13] To teach

[01:08:19] I could see her winning I love me a little threat, you know, I said that last week

[01:08:23] But right now as far as Sega her and Charlie are sitting in the best spot

[01:08:28] But what I do worry about first of all she kept saying uh who she say uh

[01:08:33] Denise and Adam Klein

[01:08:36] Denise and Malcolm

[01:08:40] But more in a more recent era right like different dynamics, but almost remind me of a little carcinetic Carolyn

[01:08:50] No, okay

[01:08:52] But in that alliance though, I see the needs. I don't know if I see Charlie as a mouthful

[01:09:00] I worry

[01:09:01] When it comes time to pull the trigger like dr. Maria gonna be like

[01:09:09] And I worry that like uh, I worry that

[01:09:15] What's his name Chuck?

[01:09:17] Charlie

[01:09:20] Might be a little

[01:09:25] I

[01:09:31] He's all nervous

[01:09:34] He's like shake it off

[01:09:38] Where the highway be

[01:09:48] I am just

[01:09:58] But I um, I'm worried that

[01:10:02] He might get cold feet and then my that's the only thing but uh he does seem pretty locked in with dr. Maria some

[01:10:11] Love dr. Maria. Love yeah, love gen

[01:10:13] Let's take it to the immunity challenge love Mariah

[01:10:18] That's the thing, but I can never say anything

[01:10:22] My newtably bad about anybody you would like like a mic go home and you're like hold on

[01:10:30] So we get to the immunity challenge and before we get to the challenge itself

[01:10:34] We got a lot of not only jolunski slander

[01:10:38] Several comments, but we also got some intertrive

[01:10:43] Smack talk. I mean they had the buff on the idol

[01:10:46] In jeff had to like cut up cut it off

[01:10:48] I like it ever was like but jeff what color had it anywhere like it's orange

[01:10:52] So and jeff was like damn like kind of got me there was a lot of shit talking and I

[01:10:58] I like I like it. I like it. I like it

[01:11:00] I love it, but we're so to say

[01:11:05] How is the food?

[01:11:09] Uh-uh I was like

[01:11:13] When I say I get I first of all again

[01:11:19] We love queen soda. I want to come back and be soda

[01:11:23] Because that's that's my type of energy with wedo is like

[01:11:28] Who who you're never mind. I won't even go here

[01:11:31] um

[01:11:32] but

[01:11:33] That made me

[01:11:36] Pause a little bit because I also was like dang soda okay

[01:11:40] Is soda and dr. Maria

[01:11:46] That just meant like okay, I love it

[01:11:48] First of all please give me more okay cuz soda said he started with me

[01:11:53] He started with me

[01:11:55] We love I'm gonna put the disclaimer out there

[01:11:58] We love queen soda no we do like I listen

[01:12:02] First of all I need to be like we sold at my job

[01:12:05] We said aggressive emails

[01:12:07] Uh, but that worried me because

[01:12:11] I just feel like if there is

[01:12:15] An internal beef between everybody like I just hope that like soda doesn't empty the clip because

[01:12:23] You know how when people fight didn't everyone looks at everyone like

[01:12:28] Oh

[01:12:30] So I love it though. I love her energy, but time out

[01:12:34] If you think soda

[01:12:37] Was the MVP

[01:12:40] baby

[01:12:42] Hey, let me tell you something have you ever heard of goddee

[01:12:48] Goddee went on a hunger strike that I know we are not going there

[01:12:53] I don't have you heard of goddee

[01:12:56] Hey

[01:13:02] He gave us a history lesson

[01:13:06] He was like you think we hungry

[01:13:09] You think we we don't care about food

[01:13:14] I was like and

[01:13:16] So let's also just say that real quick right

[01:13:18] I know we all over the place that give me together

[01:13:21] I can talk about this

[01:13:22] But you speak all that okay because I didn't know where he was going at first because I was like oh wait

[01:13:27] But then you said goddee

[01:13:31] But I think again when we're talking about by new and this whole episode and they're saying oh he's so emotional

[01:13:37] He's so distant that but like yeah, he is I'm a little emotional at times

[01:13:41] But you see that fire

[01:13:43] Do you like he practically took tip arm off he was like Jeff

[01:13:48] goddee

[01:13:50] And so it's like I I love that but also it's like

[01:13:55] respectfully

[01:13:58] I'm gonna be cute to just work or

[01:14:01] Some of his comebacks because you know his comeback was

[01:14:07] What that was six or six uh-huh see a five or five well

[01:14:12] I think we

[01:14:15] You know tomorrow is gonna be like what that was five or five see my four or four

[01:14:23] He got me the only one standing

[01:14:26] But no, but yeah, I just was like

[01:14:29] Yeah, I wanted a little smarter uh, but by new head is back

[01:14:35] Uh-huh by new head is back

[01:14:38] But so the eight

[01:14:45] Like

[01:14:47] I could tell you now

[01:14:51] Gandhi was not on my self-hopper pinkel car this episode

[01:14:55] Uh, but yeah

[01:14:58] That was a interesting, but I love I

[01:15:01] I loved it. I

[01:15:04] Yeah, my only note about this soda thing

[01:15:08] I won't want her mouth to get her in trouble

[01:15:11] Yes, I don't

[01:15:14] I want to hear

[01:15:18] That's and I know I want to talk about

[01:15:21] What Tiffany then said after the challenge right because she does get emotional

[01:15:24] um

[01:15:26] I think

[01:15:27] Soda kind of like flipped in a way right like we see a very complex character now because the first episode you see her

[01:15:33] Superbubbly cam counselor kind of like a Marianne right and then you get this what's up?

[01:15:39] Like let's go and i'm like whoa and i love the dichotomy

[01:15:43] But I love that that is hurt like that. I love the conflict, but she's also so

[01:15:49] Just really refreshing to see and people are complex people and it's a lot

[01:15:53] We have the ability to see that yeah, and it's like

[01:15:58] Right and it's like I like the fact that she like I ain't starting up there like you know like

[01:16:02] I'm gonna start night, but i'ma finish it

[01:16:04] And so like I love that complexity of her and even when they were talking about Venus

[01:16:10] And then she went back to talk to tevin as she was like

[01:16:14] I don't think it's anything personal

[01:16:16] So when she says these statements to us

[01:16:19] I think that we need to do a better job of like not like you know what i mean

[01:16:22] I just love the fact that like even though

[01:16:26] Girl you kind of gave it to Venus a little bit you were still able to like

[01:16:30] break it down and disseminate information to your

[01:16:34] crew that wasn't tearing her down like i don't know like soda is a

[01:16:38] dynamic player and

[01:16:41] I hope we can see her for a long time

[01:16:44] Yes, I hope we can see her for a long time the only thing i'll say to this is it's a little dangerous

[01:16:50] Talking smack to someone that you can't or you don't have the report with already

[01:16:55] So it's like you don't even notice guy but for two days um

[01:17:00] Yes, and then after the game. I think i saw her say something again and to me that's like

[01:17:05] Tag now now it's like

[01:17:08] Your your kick it somebody when they're down there they're in their lowest now so

[01:17:12] In in survivor

[01:17:15] Her five saw day five so

[01:17:18] She knows she knows the numbers

[01:17:19] In survivor one of the things that I wanted to remain cognizant was

[01:17:23] To curb my celebrations like if you win

[01:17:28] When and keep it moving you don't so i'm just i'm just nervous for her because of that

[01:17:34] And if yeah, i'm just nervous for her or if it's uh like

[01:17:38] again

[01:17:39] When I say soda has clocked in right like she is what's the name of they tribe y'all knew

[01:17:45] Oh, not me not me right like even

[01:17:49] For me one of the first things that I noticed about soda was like them not me them not me like for me

[01:17:55] What I love about soda is that like you can tell she is so happy to be here

[01:18:01] This her first tribe she is tribe strong like it's us against them and i love that but I think

[01:18:08] What might overshadow her is that we might get a tribe swap

[01:18:14] And we know historically that the p8 people do not always do a good job of mixing up the joins of the joins

[01:18:23] And so you might be stuck on the tribe with day three to your one and

[01:18:30] That's their first and and and you do that look like somebody to me

[01:18:36] That forgets

[01:18:39] Yes

[01:18:40] Yes, 100% I wonder now that we're talking about this and like just like the intertribal like the first impressions you make

[01:18:47] um

[01:18:48] The next on right kind of showed a boat

[01:18:51] I wonder if this is like the whole you go you can go to the camp and take some shit from them

[01:18:55] Um because I remember specifically in my season when Cody came and did us shit to us

[01:19:00] I was like

[01:19:01] I don't like this boy at all just based off

[01:19:04] What the way he dealt with us. I was like no, no, no, I don't trust him um

[01:19:08] But I will say though. I just love how authentically

[01:19:11] Her self soda is and that's it. It's liberating to see that

[01:19:14] um

[01:19:15] Sometimes though being your full self can put you in danger

[01:19:19] It's hard and to even piggyback

[01:19:22] To you on that carla abacella window. I think what I love about soda so much is that like

[01:19:27] I know sodas in real life like you know what I mean like I

[01:19:30] I

[01:19:31] Yeah, I just I love how authentically her she is and

[01:19:37] Yeah, so let's get to this try because

[01:19:41] We're on the block on the twitter streets with saying

[01:19:46] That

[01:19:48] That specifically

[01:19:51] I know we jumping around but they were saying that this is a puzzle that jolisky could have absolutely

[01:19:59] His whole arm like he could have been there

[01:20:04] Yeah, I want you to head seven foot wingspan. Yeah, I think so. Oh

[01:20:11] That's what jolisky tweeted

[01:20:13] Bryce leave that man alone

[01:20:15] Carla I think so I didn't get it though because I wasn't watching the episode

[01:20:19] But I now it makes sense

[01:20:26] What would it what would a shoe size be for something like that enough

[01:20:30] No, cuz I'm just trying to figure out like you probably need to like

[01:20:33] be planted

[01:20:37] No, I'm asking for the simple

[01:20:40] geometry of it

[01:20:42] Well, just respond to his tweet his seven foot wingspan tweet just ask him what his shoe size is

[01:20:48] He definitely rounded up on the way

[01:20:52] Jolisky

[01:20:55] I know subnau won't quit never

[01:20:57] This not let's speak exactly to you know why they maybe should have kept an episode one instead of jazz because now

[01:21:04] They probably wouldn't want this challenge or not lost that I should say and then

[01:21:08] You know you're still got your guy in the game that could be an asset to you instead of just

[01:21:12] Building out just like inevitably kind of that happen anyways

[01:21:16] Now how do we get you guys he lost everything bro like

[01:21:22] He is over four what makes you think they would do anything right

[01:21:26] Just cuz he's done

[01:21:28] This challenge I and honestly you don't know what challenge

[01:21:32] So this is the like Bryce has some Monday morning quarterbacking but jolisky would have been more helpful in this challenge than jess was

[01:21:39] I mean we saw just trying to hold up two blocks and just immediately jolisky is tall like the hardest part of this is reaching the top center

[01:21:47] And like holding things up there now maybe jolisky would have failed again. It's definitely in his repertoire

[01:21:53] But there's no maybe there's no maybe about it

[01:21:57] You think you would be working with the challenge that Jess would

[01:22:01] Yes, Bob make on the challenge. We'll get to it

[01:22:03] It maybe was that

[01:22:05] Overlike the spelling of the word and just botched it all maybe now it's less what happened

[01:22:10] You've been trying to write jolisky

[01:22:12] I

[01:22:14] I have some hot takes but

[01:22:17] Lay on this let's get into so again, I do feel like I mean

[01:22:22] You know you had to push a cart. Yeah, the cutter rope push a cart

[01:22:27] Uh, you know if I would love to be the rope here

[01:22:30] But cut the rope untied it then push the cart then you got to spell this word out right and so

[01:22:37] For me the purple tribe. Yeah, they were doing bad but

[01:22:42] Obviously, I feel like a lot was edited out because we see that outburst by Tiffany at the end

[01:22:47] And from what we see as viewers

[01:22:51] It doesn't seem to warrant that level of reaction

[01:22:55] So I definitely feel like it was a little edited because

[01:22:58] For what I could see

[01:23:01] Jess was doing what she could do

[01:23:03] And I mean just from the little clips that they saw of Jess but for me my biggest critique is with you

[01:23:12] Because it seemed like when they was spelling and putting the words up

[01:23:15] It seemed like again, he stepped up so you can't never be mad at the person that steps up

[01:23:20] But I also feel like I don't

[01:23:23] I think some of the blame of what I could see was that like

[01:23:28] You're not

[01:23:30] Imagining you you're not putting the best pieces or the best people together to hold this stuff

[01:23:35] But I only save that because it's like you stepped up in that role

[01:23:37] Because there are so many times like people go get a letter and it will fall and it's like no like you need to like

[01:23:43] Hold it here tell by new to move over but that's just my quarterback

[01:23:48] Yeah, I mean, I think every child struggle with the

[01:23:50] Organizational component of the shout not to say that it was easy

[01:23:54] But it's like if I think if they took a minute to just strategize like who holds what where

[01:23:58] Instead, they're just like freelancing it can have done a lot better

[01:24:03] Yeah, I could tell you if I was out there

[01:24:06] I would have just struggled with the stuff

[01:24:09] We know that um this this looked tremendously hard and

[01:24:13] Holding your hands up for a long amount of time is

[01:24:17] Is difficult in and of itself and for you to have multiple blocks like I can only imagine that's why I said earlier

[01:24:23] They did a really good job of showing like how hard this challenge was

[01:24:28] yeah

[01:24:30] Towards the end towards the end and persistence is like a good word for that because like they had to be persistent to get it up

[01:24:37] And to keep it up there, but and towards the end. I think at the end after purple lost

[01:24:45] um

[01:24:47] We had some some moments right there, right

[01:24:50] Can we get into that a little bit or do we have other things to say before that

[01:24:54] I mean it's over

[01:24:57] Um

[01:25:00] I conversation happens after the challenge so like let's talk about yawning after it lose

[01:25:06] I was just saying that the accident happened during the challenge so oh yeah

[01:25:13] But she doesn't really like uh

[01:25:15] Bring that up

[01:25:17] But we do hear her saying left left left yes

[01:25:20] Yes, we just have her toe gets run over despite her better efforts and in the beginning of the episode

[01:25:26] I think they are deciding to go somewhere do something she offers an opinion and they

[01:25:33] Don't even acknowledge it and do something else. So I think again foreshadowing but go ahead

[01:25:38] Get to your point one easy. I mean not get to your point

[01:25:41] No, I just want to talk about what happens on the mat afterwards

[01:25:45] Yeah, go ahead

[01:25:47] No, what happened y'all y'all

[01:25:48] Joe I want the moderator to tell us what happens so like oh you brought it up you come on quarter back it

[01:25:53] Yeah after after the uh challenge the

[01:25:56] The tensions are definitely very high and i mean the thing that stood out to be the most was you know Tiffany being like

[01:26:02] I got some ish I want to say but i'm not gonna say because i don't like that would make me look bad

[01:26:07] But you know by saying that she wants to say something is still kind of saying something you know what i mean

[01:26:13] Uh, and then obviously Bonnie is also kind of hyper emotional as well

[01:26:17] And I mean the frustrations are just very tangible and just just sort of like

[01:26:23] Just kill it

[01:26:26] Like so what i

[01:26:28] I

[01:26:30] What i wanted to say was and then and then we saw the the Tiffany confessional where she was like

[01:26:36] She didn't want to seem like the angry black woman

[01:26:40] um, and she was kind of beating herself up about that and

[01:26:43] What i said to Bryce earlier was i think that

[01:26:47] I'm willing to bet that the edit kind of protected Tiffany a little bit in this challenge

[01:26:52] I wonder how much yelling she was doing in the challenge for her to for her to be so hard on herself afterwards

[01:26:59] As a cognizant like oh my gosh

[01:27:02] I'm about to look like the angry black woman

[01:27:04] We got a taste of it when she was like you know what i'm gonna just keep my mouth shut

[01:27:08] I'm not gonna say anything but like and and to that i say um

[01:27:16] All love to Jess. I don't know

[01:27:19] How ready she was to play survivor like or i don't know if she had enough time to get her footing

[01:27:26] But in a challenge like this then although we didn't see Tiffany yelling at her

[01:27:31] I think that if there's someone that's also yelling at you and you know you're on the outs

[01:27:35] And it's hard for you to get your footing already

[01:27:37] I think that can really throw you off your game. So if if and i'm making this up because i didn't see her really yelling at her

[01:27:45] I could just see you know see what's going on in the tribe

[01:27:47] But i think that that's not doing her any favors or helping y'all

[01:27:51] When this if while you're losing at the challenge

[01:27:55] You're also kind of like be raiding someone if that was what was happening

[01:27:57] That's all i'm saying so like

[01:28:00] Despite just being on the outs like y'all not y'all not helping her

[01:28:04] If you're yelling at her as or using her as escape goat

[01:28:08] And my question is

[01:28:12] If Jess is doing her what if she is doing her very best

[01:28:18] Okay

[01:28:18] That's always the tough balance because i think about it like when i'm playing basketball or other sports

[01:28:24] And you want to be a good teammate and a good leader

[01:28:27] And so i never want to like put someone down when they're trying their best but they're struggling

[01:28:33] But at the same time there comes a point where it's like even if you're trying your best and you're just

[01:28:38] sabotaging the team

[01:28:39] It's really hard not to get frustrated because it's like your best is still just

[01:28:44] brooding everything for us not to say that that's exactly what happened with Jess

[01:28:48] But i can see why it's like if all the if everything was clicking with the team in this challenge

[01:28:53] And then it's just Jess who's giving her best which her best still looked a little accidently in the sense that she wasn't like

[01:29:00] Hustling her but off obviously she was tired. You know how

[01:29:06] What's up? You know how humid it is and

[01:29:08] That's what i'm saying her best

[01:29:10] She i'm not to say she wasn't gonna go

[01:29:12] Her best just might not have been very good

[01:29:15] Like it's i don't know if i would like

[01:29:17] berate her per se but it i would just be like

[01:29:20] Jess what like what come on dude like then that's why you have to vote her out at this point with why it's like

[01:29:26] Because it's just like if if one player is completely ruining your chance of winning anything

[01:29:32] It's really frustrating

[01:29:34] But i mean as when going to carla has having been in a lot of you know team

[01:29:38] Challenger

[01:29:40] Be positive the question right so oh but i've been in a lot of team challenges also

[01:29:45] Your own questions

[01:29:49] Like when going carla like for this question of when there's

[01:29:53] Which probably like how do you handle

[01:29:55] next it

[01:29:57] Well

[01:29:59] It's hard because in our tribe stage

[01:30:02] um

[01:30:03] When someone was in pulling slack

[01:30:06] It it was like the silent silent treatment or it was like we're gonna get them out next um

[01:30:13] We didn't say

[01:30:15] We never like said it to them but we were definitely talking about it

[01:30:19] Um and i think it was obvious like we were pretty frustrated

[01:30:23] Yeah, we weren't that nice about it

[01:30:28] i'm trying to think

[01:30:30] I don't think i'm the i like trying to like when i'm playing sports or a challenge

[01:30:34] I like trying to be one of the leaders but i don't think there's a point where i'm yelling at the the person that's the weakest link on our team

[01:30:41] yeah

[01:30:43] I don't i don't think that's the case

[01:30:45] I think it's also different in game mode right like again we're not saying it

[01:30:50] I

[01:30:51] Just saying like in game mode. I think it's different. It's like yo carla get it like i think that that when the adrenaline is running

[01:30:57] Is a little different than asking you communicate right then being like jack what are you doing like so yeah

[01:31:04] Yeah, there's there's definitely and brice i'll take it a step further

[01:31:08] Because you and i talked about this earlier cues form a communication during this challenge

[01:31:13] I think i would be receptive to how he's talking in the challenge

[01:31:18] Like yo like direct like like there's urgency to this i didn't i didn't receive his speech as

[01:31:26] As talking down to anyone just like yo yo this is do or die here let's yo pick this up hold your hands like that's how i think i might speak

[01:31:34] Like super direct with urgency and that's the thing about survivor we don't know people's baggage

[01:31:40] We don't know people strama

[01:31:42] We don't know what how that could potentially trigger something like you know what i mean

[01:31:47] Yeah again, i don't think

[01:31:49] Inately they wanted to win and they were trying their best

[01:31:52] And i'll consider it i feel like just took it pretty well where she was just kind of like took the hits

[01:31:57] But i think that's important because of the fact that i don't think they came out here like super personal

[01:32:02] They were just frustrated that she was

[01:32:05] Sucking and like she was kind of like

[01:32:07] Yeah sucks like this is what it is like yeah

[01:32:10] But also i'll just say this as if i were to be in justice shoes and

[01:32:15] Bono yelled at me the way that he yelled at her

[01:32:19] I would have snapped like i don't like men talking to me in a certain way

[01:32:23] And if a man yelled at me that way i've been like

[01:32:26] What are you doing? You know like

[01:32:28] There's think yeah, but you're in the moment so it's so hard to say right because you're sweating

[01:32:33] You're like fuck we're gonna lose i don't can i curse you

[01:32:36] Okay, okay, i felt like that was probably the most glaring incident that we saw in

[01:32:40] Was just bonnie just screaming at her

[01:32:42] Um, but like you say like that's mid challenge. So it's also like you're not just gonna stop and be like

[01:32:48] Bonnie's very nice

[01:32:50] I think you're just gonna keep and then yeah

[01:32:52] I think that's the difference to like what like one will say

[01:32:54] It's like the way you're talking mid challenge is different than the way it's like if after the challenge

[01:32:59] It'll like just your terrible then i'd be like damn like i try about this like

[01:33:03] But you also pick like that's something i wouldn't i wouldn't forget like if not that like if i saw a team member

[01:33:08] Treats someone else like that i would clock it and then i would probably like

[01:33:13] Ask questions kind of like hey, I think you know you should probably apologize or that's what i did just to like

[01:33:19] It's important for sure to always be lifted your squad up but sometimes

[01:33:24] Like you no matter how much lifting you do the person is just gonna fuck but at that point and send it like beret them

[01:33:29] I would always

[01:33:30] You kind of just you just kind of give like you said Carla. It's like i'm not gonna yell at you

[01:33:34] But i might vote you out

[01:33:37] How was um we read we compared

[01:33:40] Q to Danny McCray last episode

[01:33:43] What was Q's response on the mat afterwards if i'm not mistaken, I think he was just like

[01:33:49] Kind of quiet and like internalizing it in my wrong

[01:33:55] I didn't know that i think after the challenge i think everyone was

[01:34:00] Oh, well no because people were people were talking what i what i'm trying to say i think is

[01:34:05] well

[01:34:09] What i'm trying to say is

[01:34:12] Q was a college athlete and like

[01:34:16] Danny was a pro athlete and we saw him like picking people up and this that

[01:34:21] These these people that played on these high levels have lost

[01:34:24] When the stakes are super high and under like

[01:34:28] Oh, taking an L as someone that has played a lot of sports is like

[01:34:33] This is life and or even to like people like people that are have done anything have taken L's and they they like understand

[01:34:42] I think i think

[01:34:44] I think i saw Q just understanding like all right this is an L

[01:34:48] It's time to figure out what's what's next as opposed to thinking like

[01:34:52] I'm so mad at any of it no we took a L now what's next

[01:34:56] I don't i don't know how to kind of communicate

[01:34:58] I think all they've considered i felt like the tribe in general like

[01:35:02] given their frustrations

[01:35:05] Actually lost fairly gracefully right they were pretty close with more sluers out there right like sometimes you i play

[01:35:12] Like just really like when i play a pick-up basketball

[01:35:15] Sometimes y'all someone on your team you lose

[01:35:17] They might be the worst player on the team they're blaming everyone else

[01:35:19] And it's just the most toxic thing so we don't see that a lot on survivor for better for worse

[01:35:25] Like the frustrations were obviously evident in the challenge and some words we discussed after but it wasn't like

[01:35:33] You know i think it was what it was

[01:35:36] Yeah

[01:35:37] Um and one last thing i'm sorry brice i'm so sorry

[01:35:40] I i think that i think that i just continue to sing Q's praises because

[01:35:46] I was my perception of him going into the game was so different

[01:35:49] I thought he was going to be christ noble from ghost island just like a big strong like

[01:35:55] non-self aware

[01:35:57] Kind of like almost a meet head not to call christ a meet head but what so seeing

[01:36:02] How Q is like actually doing this and communicating with things with with people i'm kind of impressed by it

[01:36:07] That's all yeah

[01:36:09] Yeah, i agree i agree as well

[01:36:13] You know the pro athletes always do pretty well with the challenges because they understand like

[01:36:18] You have to be a pro athlete you gotta be a good teammate and that's

[01:36:22] You know um but now we get to the post

[01:36:25] immunity stuff

[01:36:26] Before we get over to yanu

[01:36:28] We see some fallout of

[01:36:31] The Venus toe incident where and we discussed this a little bit earlier

[01:36:35] So i don't want to talk too much into it for the sake of time

[01:36:38] But they get back to camp after getting first place and Venus is like

[01:36:42] You guys didn't listen to me then then then we that also prompts so to being like Venus loves to play the victim

[01:36:47] I mean we like we touched on it earlier, but what do we think about this sort of exchange and the dynamic

[01:36:55] Here's the thing

[01:36:57] I'm at a Venus right because again from what we understand from these two hours that we have watched

[01:37:05] She feels like she does not have a voice and because she doesn't have a voice now her toe was injured

[01:37:11] Right so i mean

[01:37:14] I'm at like let's let's break down the communication like hey like my toe hurt

[01:37:20] And it hurt because i said let the yanu go left like i i mean i'm at a Venus now right place right place

[01:37:27] Wrong time maybe

[01:37:29] But i feel like if you don't have a voice your foot gets injured so you just continue not to have a voice

[01:37:36] No, i i would

[01:37:38] It's hard right there's so many times i clearly got banged up

[01:37:42] But i never came up to the tribe and was like

[01:37:46] Y'all let me get hurt like what's up?

[01:37:49] But i can't all hear me. I had a voice

[01:37:52] You had a voice

[01:37:55] After your team wins

[01:37:57] To be again, I make a pickup basketball analogy it's like if your team wins and then a player on the team is like

[01:38:04] Hey, I was open for that layup. It didn't pass it to me

[01:38:06] No, no, no, no, say the member of your

[01:38:12] Crew has a sprained ankle

[01:38:14] Okay

[01:38:16] So don't don't just say like a pickup like i was open up

[01:38:21] So if they got a sprained ankle they not gonna tell you i got a sprained ankle

[01:38:25] Cuz i told you to give

[01:38:27] I don't think it's a sprained ankle

[01:38:29] I think that's a bad analogy. I think it's more like

[01:38:32] They got a little back in their arm

[01:38:37] Hey, got you a jamb thing

[01:38:39] Yeah

[01:38:42] I don't mind her being like hey, maybe we can communicate a little bit better

[01:38:45] But the grand scheme of things i do feel like it's you know you're in the heat of a challenge

[01:38:49] Just cuz you're like go left doesn't mean i was you can move out the way

[01:38:53] That were isolated incident can we please stop discrediting how Venus feels in this moment that she feels like she does not have a voice

[01:39:02] That's the only thing that i'm saying i agree that like you should have probably left it alone

[01:39:06] However, if this thing is piling up and piling up and piling up for you and now they running over your toe

[01:39:14] Have you ever kicked that toe on the bed in the middle of the night try to lead them like

[01:39:19] That's all i'm saying like i

[01:39:21] Would be annoyed too if we were in the challenge and i was like guys

[01:39:25] We're about your battle running to me like we got to know and listen

[01:39:27] That would be annoying but for the sake of her game

[01:39:30] You can't win the challenge and be like

[01:39:32] But you guys didn't do this right you you want you gotta be like good you got that's and that's sort of why

[01:39:38] Maybe the reason she's a kind of an outcast in this group is a little bit from both sides because it's like

[01:39:44] I think a person who was good and good with the crew what if you like

[01:39:48] You guys didn't listen to me

[01:39:51] See here's the thing i just feel like i wasn't Venus would have played it a little better

[01:39:56] Yeah, like i wish you would have went this shit with them for girl just limp down to the beach right like you know

[01:40:02] And then they play girl was wrong with your foot

[01:40:04] Why you don't i told y'all to go laugh and you ran over my foot like i like i feel like

[01:40:09] That could have been received a little better but again

[01:40:13] I still kind of like i'm mad at Venus standing on business

[01:40:17] Not saying it's a good game play but i'm not mad at her again

[01:40:20] Can see you see she don't have a voice they not listen to her and now you're running over my feet

[01:40:25] I think we can all agree that her delivery was um

[01:40:29] It hurt all what she's trying to say is hey

[01:40:32] There's not great communication and i think there's a better time in place and delivery for that

[01:40:37] Now we're also on day three four

[01:40:41] And if for the first couple days

[01:40:44] She feels as though there's not good communication then in a challenge

[01:40:48] I think she might be looking for that time that there's bad communication so that she can

[01:40:53] I just feel like you're not qualified to land this hold on it's not

[01:40:57] It's not necessarily unjustified either i don't think one does say that it's unreasonable because

[01:41:02] I i but i'm gonna let him land a plane thank you um

[01:41:07] So for for that to happen that reinforces what's happened for the last

[01:41:11] Couple days in her head or what she perceives and now you win

[01:41:17] You get back you get back how it was this an hour hour and a half your

[01:41:22] You get back now like you gotta you gotta wait you see the doctor or you see everything but you know

[01:41:28] Hold on man lettuce you take the boat back to the island

[01:41:31] You know you walk up the beach and now it's like oh

[01:41:35] Now i can't go swimming with y'all cuz my foot hurts hold on a second

[01:41:39] Did you can see dr. Joe did the doc say you know your foot's broken or do you have a stub toe

[01:41:45] Do you have a hang net what's going on with is something going on with your toe

[01:41:49] Is this the right time to

[01:41:51] To do this when you're trying to celebrate it

[01:41:53] I just think there's a better time in a place to do it and took what Carlos said earlier

[01:41:58] I almost think that that's one of these things where it's like you know what

[01:42:03] We won i could see the forest for the trees

[01:42:06] I didn't even know say nothing my toe hurts a little bit. Yeah, you right you know take that on the chair

[01:42:11] Carla let me ask you this question

[01:42:13] Before we go for the viewers that are listening

[01:42:17] Uh before you go to challenges and different things

[01:42:20] What happens we had to go sit in a tense and wait for everything

[01:42:25] Uh-huh, yeah, you do wardrobe and you do uh and you do

[01:42:28] Yeah, so remind me if even if it's an hour or two hours

[01:42:33] Remind me if we are allowed to communicate with each other during that time

[01:42:36] Well, that's what one of those

[01:42:37] No, you say because you can't communicate her first thing she come back and says is this

[01:42:43] If your foot has been thrombing

[01:42:45] Oh, I'm also saying if your foot is so injured then you also had the ample time to talk to like how injured is your foot if

[01:42:55] I'm sorry

[01:42:57] The medical people she could have talked to the medical people now. I'm gonna talk to the people that ran over my foot

[01:43:04] Two hours ago and talk to a doctor. I know that

[01:43:08] You're sick. Well, okay. Yeah. I would have yeah

[01:43:12] In the in that situation though

[01:43:14] They're all going to the water if you're already out go to the water tell them there in the water that your foot hurts

[01:43:21] So maybe this is why I

[01:43:24] Connect with Venus because

[01:43:29] It my toe do our little bit but isn't a petty move

[01:43:35] Maybe or then sometimes

[01:43:38] It can be justified best with the spirit kids and so I I'm not I'm not mad at somebody that's like

[01:43:47] And moves can get you sent home. Okay, exactly

[01:43:50] I'm not saying that I can't relate to her

[01:43:53] But I'm saying there's such a better way to spend this where you go down in the water with your team

[01:43:57] Maybe you're limping a little bit like you said and like why are you lipping? You're like look we're in the heat of the challenge and

[01:44:03] You know our communication got a little thrown off so my toe got man over but I'm glad that we were still able to pull out the wind

[01:44:08] I love you guys and then you like that's she's a warrior like she's pulled to put her toe on the line. We're sorry

[01:44:15] Yeah, sorry like next time we'll communicate better because we know you're sacrificing for us and instead she's like

[01:44:23] You guys don't listen to me my tower

[01:44:27] Which like I can't even say I want to do the same thing when it's just not inside the best game

[01:44:32] Given that is what my favorite right now. I'm like let's turn this around a little bit

[01:44:38] All right

[01:44:39] Yeah

[01:44:40] But now it's the meat and the potatoes. Oh

[01:44:44] The yon you tribe coming back from the challenge

[01:44:48] disappointed in themselves

[01:44:52] Jess is the obvious target

[01:44:55] And

[01:44:56] There's concerns about shot and dark so

[01:44:59] Tenzy Tiffany and Q come up with this plan basically to

[01:45:03] Plant the idol to get just to find it

[01:45:07] Just actually doesn't find it so then Q was like you know how I'm gonna just go give it to her

[01:45:12] And he gives it to her and he's like I use y'all I want to say

[01:45:16] There's a lot of a lot of nonsense

[01:45:19] And you know, I guess I'll just recap the other stuff and then we can just dive in everything

[01:45:24] And then you know

[01:45:25] Bono lea's there's some ramblings about him so bono and Jess are both scared

[01:45:29] And Q knows that they're looking at him as an option to maybe get out Kenzie

[01:45:34] But he's like I'm not gonna do this without Tiffany. Tiffany is obviously very close to Kenzie

[01:45:39] and

[01:45:40] I don't know it's a whole mess

[01:45:42] Jess feels like sort of the obvious though especially once you give her a fake idol because

[01:45:47] At what just this was like a does like I don't know if I liked it or not it was a car crash

[01:45:52] We got's like you can't take your eyes off of it and I don't know if it was like interesting or not

[01:45:58] So I just want to hear your guys' thoughts because I don't really know what I think

[01:46:01] But also isn't that the ultimate or couldn't that be the ultimate distraction to pick off a Kenzie

[01:46:07] Like this whole fake idol thing

[01:46:10] I like and I told y'all earlier like I was upset that we watched all of this just for it to be so straightforward

[01:46:16] I really was but

[01:46:18] Then I'm like man, this is a great hoax smoking mirrors if they are actually gonna pick off Kenzie

[01:46:26] I'd say I was a little disappointed in Q

[01:46:29] only in the sense of I wish

[01:46:33] Ex for forgiveness later like I wish she would have just executed the Kenzie move right and then like went to tip and been like

[01:46:41] I'm sorry. I had to do that like you know what I mean like I kind of almost wish

[01:46:44] She kind of pulled the trigger. I think it's very smart that he didn't move without tip but I feel like

[01:46:51] See the opportunity when you can so keep Jess

[01:46:58] It's not uh, it's not for me yeah because Kenzie is someone look she's a little playing a little bit too

[01:47:05] Mato it but she's somewhere if she's

[01:47:08] tends to be on my side whether it's through a tiffini or not or whatever

[01:47:13] When we go to the merge or swap with lower numbers and she has some loyalty to me

[01:47:17] I think she's gonna be an asset for a while whereas Jess is like

[01:47:21] If we go into a swap or emerge no one's gonna be looking at her

[01:47:25] Also if she's still in my tribe. It's more like me that we're gonna lose again

[01:47:29] So it's look again, it's like just take out Jess and then maybe you your fork can move forward

[01:47:35] I also feel like now I'm

[01:47:38] Fast-boarding a lot only because um

[01:47:41] I feel like another I was reading a lot of articles and of course everyone is calling by new a mess

[01:47:47] And like you know the worst player from this episode, but I really feel like

[01:47:54] Am I opinion like he is

[01:47:57] Emotional but like he's a strong player and I just personally feel like he

[01:48:03] Once a number one and he does not have that and I feel like maybe some energy may have been wasted on this just move

[01:48:11] And I really feel like a cue

[01:48:13] Or a kinsie like if they would have locked in with him because when he's at tribal and turns to kinsie

[01:48:20] Asks who you like just tell me who to vote for right like for me kinsies like it's your game too, but

[01:48:27] I didn't necessarily get that like what I got was like

[01:48:30] What

[01:48:33] It clearly he doesn't know and so for me that is telling me that like y'all are leaving him in the dark

[01:48:39] Like no one I just feel like he doesn't believe the cute thing

[01:48:43] I just feel like he is a missed opportunity that somebody should be one on one without Jess like pouring into this man like a

[01:48:53] Emile and Kayla because

[01:48:56] Yeah, I just feel like yeah, he's a solid player and I feel like he just needs

[01:49:02] Some support or feeling like he's secure

[01:49:04] And I also feel like that he is cognizant enough to know that Jess ain't the support

[01:49:10] That is going to be long term for him. I'm willing to bet that someone does that

[01:49:15] Soon, I'm willing to bet that someone takes the opportunity

[01:49:18] I think that some I think that a lot of people on this tribe because I do believe that

[01:49:24] Kenzie Q and tiff

[01:49:26] Are locked it like they they know how to I think that they know how to play this game

[01:49:30] So I'm willing to bet that we see somebody go to him and

[01:49:35] learning that

[01:49:37] He has the ability to to go off just like that

[01:49:41] I think they're gonna have a better way to communicate with him going someone or whether they're like yo

[01:49:47] You can't flip out like that like tip was like yo you're making the block hot chill out

[01:49:52] I think someone is gonna have this conversation with him to where it's like it

[01:49:56] But I also think we're gonna see some more of these blows from him

[01:50:00] But I think they're gonna find a way to be like yo

[01:50:03] We gonna give you the word or we're locked in. I got you just

[01:50:07] Keep it a little cooler or something like that

[01:50:10] I also feel like his blowups could be his superpower. Yes, I was about to say or it could be the opposite

[01:50:16] And like where it's like he could use it against you

[01:50:19] You know what I mean because it's like if now I know that like y'all believe that I'm always telling the truth

[01:50:24] And I'm this emotional person will let me word vomit something else like again. I feel like

[01:50:30] Standing your truth your your your truth is your superpower now my one question to y'all is

[01:50:36] On the scale of one that said how messy is Jeff being at these tribals because

[01:50:42] Why he had to pull but uh

[01:50:44] Bondo's card like that

[01:50:47] I do like show his own card. I mean, I know but

[01:50:52] And I think that's why Jeff is like we don't even need to cast villains anymore because I think Jeff is willing to like

[01:50:59] Jeff is like the

[01:51:01] Jeff getting busy because yeah like by newest doing it himself but

[01:51:06] Jeff adding

[01:51:09] Jeff definitely more than little gasoline on there

[01:51:12] Yeah, I

[01:51:15] Okay, and then when it comes to this like a whole idle thing

[01:51:19] I mean the thing is once Jeff knows that it's might be a little suspicious look me in my eye

[01:51:25] You still play the shot in the dark and then play the idol as a backup like that's the thing but

[01:51:32] To some other people's

[01:51:34] I'll agree. I don't think that just was even locked in

[01:51:40] To even think that you know what I'm saying like I feel like that's what I'm saying like if you're at all skeptical

[01:51:47] Yeah, just play your shot in the dark and if it doesn't work then play the idle because if it's real it'll work

[01:51:52] And if it's not real then you should be playing your shot in the dark shot

[01:51:56] Do you know obviously the concern is like if it's really his real

[01:52:00] And he was trying to make trust with you then it's obviously playing your shot in the dark kind of shows that you don't trust him

[01:52:06] But it's like I'd rather have to cross that bridge when I get to it then like go home because he's lying today

[01:52:13] Which once you see that the beads on the torches are like the exact same as your idle you can do like

[01:52:18] Hmm

[01:52:20] Budget cuts, but I didn't think it was this bad

[01:52:23] So I feel like I've been a little hard on cue, but it's all with love, but I think

[01:52:27] cues redeeming

[01:52:29] Uh, his redeeming factor for me today was when uh, just like look me in my eyes

[01:52:35] Look me in my eyes and he was like you don't give it back to me

[01:52:40] But

[01:52:42] That's what I'm talking about. I try to give it back

[01:52:45] I was like okay, all right

[01:52:46] cue is good for me because that giving back was so good

[01:52:51] That was like that was on time

[01:52:55] At the same time if I'm a Jess and I'm like, hey, you just look me in the eyes and tell me it's real

[01:53:00] And someone has all these other answers that aren't that

[01:53:03] That's sketchy

[01:53:06] So he could have found the fake item

[01:53:10] I don't know

[01:53:12] But also the given back I don't even know if I would have thought to say that I thought

[01:53:18] Now the thing since we sort of covered everything

[01:53:21] The thing that I actually the idea that I sort of had what if I'm like a cue and a Tiffany

[01:53:26] And I'm sort of the

[01:53:28] deciding votes here

[01:53:31] I actually think it might be the smartest to go for Bonyo here because you get down to four

[01:53:37] And for me in these small times when you are thinking about it as a numbers game

[01:53:41] And like how do I and my close style I make it to the end of this trial

[01:53:45] Once you're going to four, I want two people that are the most opposed to each other

[01:53:51] So that I know that they're never gonna link up against me and me and Tiffany assuming I'm cute

[01:53:56] Right, and so we see Kenzie and Jess firing some shots at each other

[01:54:00] I think you take out Bonyo

[01:54:02] You know that you don't really have to worry about Jess and Kenzie like go to rocks against you

[01:54:06] Whereas a

[01:54:08] Kenzie and a Bonyo have some connection or a bonsu and a Jess might have some connection

[01:54:13] I think Bonyo

[01:54:14] You know and give me his also a wild card. I like he's one of my personal favorites in this season

[01:54:18] I do think he has some

[01:54:20] loyalty to his tribe going forward

[01:54:23] But I think you take him out and you know that if you lose again

[01:54:26] If you're Q and Tiffany that you're good and I think that's a really important thing at the stage

[01:54:32] But maybe like I said earlier Jess is just such a problem these challenges. You just get rid of her

[01:54:37] Maybe your fork can move forward into a swap

[01:54:40] without her

[01:54:41] Effectively

[01:54:43] That's my one thing with a cue

[01:54:45] Just seeing from episode one episode two

[01:54:48] You say the wrong thing or you don't like I feel like he's liable to be like

[01:54:55] see you

[01:55:01] And he really um

[01:55:03] What's the term like uh not appreciates but he's all about like that grit that hard work that don't quit

[01:55:11] Um and him coming from a competitive background. I just I wouldn't see that working

[01:55:16] He's like we need to win because say hypothetically the next challenge

[01:55:20] Say Tiffany just randomly because that's the person he's the most closest to say she's not performing and like she lights apps out but

[01:55:28] But new killsy

[01:55:32] I wonder like would kill

[01:55:36] Say that again. I don't think he would flip on Tiffany, but maybe he would steer the target off Kenzie

[01:55:41] Like I actually think given her their circumstances now Kenzie is the next

[01:55:44] The most sensible target for them next if they're worried about her loyalty down the line

[01:55:49] Or especially if Q is specifically

[01:55:51] But that's why Tiffany's in the best spot because I don't think anyone really wants her out

[01:55:56] And she's got you know think you think that's their best talk their smartest target

[01:56:01] Do you think they would pull that trigger? Well, I don't know because I think if you really are good with Kenzie

[01:56:05] That she's gonna be an asset for you. If you go into a merger swap and there's say they have to go to travel

[01:56:10] Again, and they vote out my new Kenzie is someone if she has some loyalty to you

[01:56:14] I think she's gonna put in a lot of work with people and it's either gonna be it's either gonna go well

[01:56:18] And you're gonna gain smell as or it's gonna go bad

[01:56:21] And she's gonna put a target on herself and she's gonna be like the first young you to go

[01:56:25] Whereas keeping like a

[01:56:26] Banu he might not be able to pull people in as well sort of for your cause

[01:56:32] But given that Kenzie has done a lot of scrambling and that's led to

[01:56:37] Q could not happen to like counter scramble if you don't trust her going forward

[01:56:41] Then all these elements that I just mentioned that could be a benefit to you could also be a detriment to you

[01:56:46] So it might just be better to get rid of that

[01:56:49] Now hypothetically just asking the question

[01:56:53] If we are saying tip is in the best position is there a world that Kenzie and Q could be like

[01:57:01] No, okay, sorry

[01:57:03] I was in position because they aren't gonna do that. Yeah, I don't see them doing that

[01:57:07] I don't see them either but I'm just since even since Jack was saying that

[01:57:11] I'm like is there a world that

[01:57:14] Later down the line cuz they be like wow she's in a good like but again

[01:57:17] I don't see Q crossing her and I don't see Kenzie crossing her but

[01:57:21] Could they be like maybe

[01:57:24] I want that to happen nobody. I don't know

[01:57:27] But she really gets fought right now because she's connected to Q and Kenzie

[01:57:31] So if they don't really want to work with her anymore, but she's not really good spot

[01:57:34] And then it's sort of like reverses everything around yeah I see tip

[01:57:39] Cutting Kenzie off before

[01:57:42] Q any other thing like that that yeah, I think could be the ultimate betrayal

[01:57:47] Yeah now could could banu foil that

[01:57:52] Tribal

[01:57:54] That's I that's where why I said maybe bonnie was the right idea because

[01:57:59] We have seen Kenzie and bonnie connect so maybe now that it's four people and they know that Tiffany and Q are close

[01:58:06] Now there is a concern that Kenzie and bonnie could come together and do something

[01:58:11] To mess things up for a Q and a tiffin

[01:58:14] Yeah, does anyone know about Tiffany's item

[01:58:17] Yes, yeah, I would imagine and

[01:58:24] We have definitely Q because he gave the note from the item

[01:58:28] Bonnie did you read it though?

[01:58:31] No, no, I'm just saying not that I'm saying like they because we only saw a tiffin Kenzie discussing it. They could have just

[01:58:38] I don't know of course you read it. Yeah, yeah, he definitely was already wrapped up

[01:58:43] Yeah, but he like gave it to jasmine she opened it up. I mean, I'd like you to give me that

[01:58:50] Um

[01:58:52] I wondered hang I wonder if then it's gonna be like a missed idle play or like someone foils

[01:58:59] Like there's gonna be not I don't know that'd be cool

[01:59:02] They're they're doing a lot of uh

[01:59:04] They're going to travel a lot so

[01:59:07] We might now granted the four of them look like they can start winning

[01:59:13] Opti optics are like yo y'all okay

[01:59:16] Now y'all cut y'all cut some stuff now are y'all gonna win

[01:59:20] Who knows cuz you know they don't have a good track record

[01:59:25] Final thought is there a world that raymond

[01:59:29] Uh, Brandon Brandon yeah, is there a world that he throws the next challenge?

[01:59:36] Oh, yeah, yes. I see it

[01:59:40] I say no, I don't think the next one but maybe down the line. Okay

[01:59:45] Random is the one with hunter right yes

[01:59:50] If your tribe is

[01:59:52] Very strong and y'all are continuing like y'all are just

[01:59:55] out

[01:59:56] Does it make sense to throw it so that you can personally get an idle?

[02:00:00] Uh, especially he doesn't feel like he's in the majority. Okay, so you might get

[02:00:05] Reloading for lose honestly

[02:00:08] Just so you can burn an idle to save yourself that night. I mean, I also think that he knows the position of Venus

[02:00:16] I would say go ahead

[02:00:18] I don't know it's hard because like because Ryan through a challenge during you know, we were doing well

[02:00:24] And we were kind of well, that's what he said be you know in the cameras. He we never knew about that until

[02:00:31] After but it's because he played it off to make it seem like

[02:00:36] I don't know actually I still don't know if he really did or not or he just couldn't get it on the board

[02:00:40] But I could see it happening in a way that it's like oh we really struggled or like it was a one minor accident

[02:00:47] I

[02:00:48] Actually, no because he's not in a good position nevermind. Yeah, you can see it

[02:00:51] We can always see someone throwing a challenge, but like does it make sense?

[02:00:56] I think

[02:00:58] I think next is too soon, but I think if you're at like the final 14 and you're like okay

[02:01:02] I would like to get my idle before we go to the merge

[02:01:05] I

[02:01:07] Like because now you're okay if you want out and

[02:01:11] You're still on the bottom or near bottom of your tribe. You're literally earning an idle

[02:01:17] And you could be the one voted out, but remember

[02:01:21] What do feel good that you're not gonna get voted out?

[02:01:23] Remember though this idle isn't just his in his eyes. Remember Venus is determined to use this idle as well

[02:01:31] So she's gonna do whatever it takes to ensure that they got a lot of your right

[02:01:35] So it's not even just him it could be Venus that

[02:01:39] Yes, so now y'all gotta worry about I mean listen, don't talk to Liz

[02:01:44] I mean, I think it's like orange have loses actually because there's a pretty good chance. It's just gonna be Liz but

[02:01:50] Yeah, especially all the money talk she's been doing yeah even like the main crew of like soda and tevin don't really seem to be

[02:01:57] Feeling her too much because we saw lots of so they're like why are you talking about your money so much?

[02:02:02] We're big money talks

[02:02:05] Well, it's safe to say that this has been a great recap

[02:02:09] We can't thank you enough Carla for joining us. Hopefully it will not be your last

[02:02:14] Jackery as always

[02:02:17] You are an amazing

[02:02:19] moderator and well before we go jackery do you know this

[02:02:26] Happy birthday to you

[02:02:29] Happy birthday

[02:02:33] Happy birthday

[02:02:35] Happy birthday

[02:02:39] Happy birthday

[02:02:42] Do you know what

[02:02:45] What genre of

[02:02:48] Happy birthday with that be

[02:02:50] Jack what's the word I would say it has a little more season than

[02:02:55] The standard happy birthday. Okay, you uh

[02:02:58] You you skid that ice real clean

[02:03:02] Before we go just want to wish when dz a very happy born day you are

[02:03:07] Very very old to hit me

[02:03:10] For oh is a huge mile stone. It's really yes girl

[02:03:18] Happy birthday 40s

[02:03:21] Yeah, now y'all talk about me and my tender young age when dz is older than me but you know listen regardless of you being 40

[02:03:32] You don't look 40

[02:03:34] You look great. You're very successful. You're a great friend. You're a great father

[02:03:38] You're a great contributor to this podcast and you know, I am eternally grateful for our friendship

[02:03:45] I wouldn't be the price. I say I am without you and I wish you know

[02:03:51] Thank you more

[02:03:54] Thanks guys. It leaves the world

[02:03:59] You go

[02:04:02] Okay, okay, I'm still 39 for a few more hours

[02:04:07] When this podcast comes out you 40

[02:04:09] Uh, whatever get me out of here. All right. Happy birthday with easy. Thanks Carla. We'll be back next week. Bye guys

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