Purple Pants Podcast | Dancing with the Devil

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[00:00:22] It's the Purple Pants, it's the Purple Pants

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[00:00:29] Coverage of The Real Housewives of Potomac Season 9

[00:00:33] I serve as your humble and oh so gracious host, Brice Izyah

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[00:01:13] Woo, woo, woo

[00:01:16] It's a lot going on in the Real Housewives of Potomac realm

[00:01:21] Jatia picked a bad week to travel the holiday with her family

[00:01:27] But I'm so excited to have my friend, Gia Worthy

[00:01:30] You might know her from the Silent Podcast

[00:01:32] Or as a RHAP contributor

[00:01:34] She is joining me this week

[00:01:36] We are breaking down episodes 11 and 12

[00:01:39] And we are talking about the recent news in Karen's DUI case

[00:01:46] You don't want to miss this week's recap

[00:01:49] We are getting into all of the things Real Housewives of Potomac

[00:01:52] Let's get into this week's episode

[00:01:57] It's a man who? It's a man you

[00:02:00] Me and potatoes like we're cooking up a great stew

[00:02:02] It's a man who? It's a man you

[00:02:04] Me and potatoes like we're cooking up a great stew

[00:02:13] What's going on?

[00:02:14] We are back this week with your Purple Pants Podcast coverage

[00:02:18] Of the Real Housewives of Potomac Season 9

[00:02:21] Episodes 11 and 12

[00:02:23] And I'm so excited to be here with my friend, Gia Worthy

[00:02:28] Contributor to the Silent Podcast

[00:02:31] And to RHAP, how are you feeling today?

[00:02:34] Oh my God, Bryce

[00:02:35] I am doing lovely

[00:02:38] We are, I am officially off of work until New Year's

[00:02:42] Which I am very excited for

[00:02:44] Yes, so I'm so happy I work at a college

[00:02:46] So the campus is closed from now until January 2nd, I think it is

[00:02:55] I'll figure it out

[00:02:56] I'll figure out when

[00:02:56] Someone will let me know when I need to be back at work

[00:02:59] But I have accomplished a lot today

[00:03:03] I finished all my presents

[00:03:04] I was working very hard on this

[00:03:07] I made my dad a blanket this year

[00:03:09] With the colors of his high school that he works at

[00:03:14] And so I worked very, very hard on it

[00:03:17] And it is done

[00:03:18] It is perfect

[00:03:19] So I just, I'm like

[00:03:20] That was the one thing I need to get done

[00:03:22] Everyone else's presents is wrapped

[00:03:24] I'm like, it's done

[00:03:26] It's done

[00:03:26] So like no one

[00:03:27] No one's achieving that older sister energy

[00:03:30] Like me right now

[00:03:32] So I feel pretty on top of the world

[00:03:33] Listen, I love that

[00:03:35] I too wrapped all of my Christmas gifts today

[00:03:38] They are all under my plant

[00:03:41] That is my tree

[00:03:43] That will serve as a tree this year

[00:03:45] Because I definitely did not have time

[00:03:47] To put up a tree

[00:03:48] But all my ramping is done

[00:03:51] So you don't have a tree

[00:03:52] But you have like a plant

[00:03:55] Like how tall is the plant?

[00:03:57] So I have multitudes of plants, right?

[00:03:59] Yes

[00:03:59] I have in my living room

[00:04:01] I have maybe like 25 plants

[00:04:03] And so I did hang some ornaments

[00:04:05] On the plants that could take the ornaments

[00:04:08] And so that's the tis the season right there

[00:04:11] Yeah

[00:04:11] I, okay

[00:04:12] That makes me feel a lot better

[00:04:14] Because I don't have a tree at my place

[00:04:16] And like people aren't coming over to my place

[00:04:18] Like let's be serious for a second

[00:04:19] No one's coming over to my place for Christmas

[00:04:21] So it's more just like

[00:04:23] For me

[00:04:24] Like because people are like

[00:04:25] You have to have a tree

[00:04:26] You have to have something for Christmas

[00:04:27] So I have like this little desktop tree

[00:04:30] Pretty much in my living room area

[00:04:33] That you don't put presents on it

[00:04:36] But it's like just to acknowledge

[00:04:37] That Christmas is happening

[00:04:40] And then I did a little bit of rearrangements

[00:04:42] With my Halloween decorations

[00:04:43] Because Halloween is like my favorite

[00:04:46] Of the holidays, of the winter months

[00:04:48] Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait

[00:04:51] So you said you did a little rearranging

[00:04:54] Of your Halloween decorations

[00:04:55] So you still have Halloween decorations

[00:04:57] Yes

[00:04:58] But you put like little ornaments on it instead

[00:05:00] And like little fake snow

[00:05:02] So it's just like a little

[00:05:03] It's like it's Christmas

[00:05:04] But still in Halloween mode still

[00:05:06] Okay

[00:05:08] Remind me to let you know

[00:05:09] That I'm judging you in my head

[00:05:10] Okay

[00:05:10] We listen and we don't judge

[00:05:12] We listen and we don't judge

[00:05:15] Okay

[00:05:16] You're right

[00:05:16] If you see it

[00:05:18] You'll understand

[00:05:20] Because it looks like squid

[00:05:21] It's not like all over

[00:05:22] It's just like little statement pieces

[00:05:24] Here and there

[00:05:25] But I actually worked very hard

[00:05:27] For it to come together

[00:05:28] Nicely

[00:05:28] So I'm very proud of my

[00:05:30] Christmas-a-ween

[00:05:34] Decorations this year

[00:05:35] Thank you, HomeGoods

[00:05:36] Yes

[00:05:38] Well, listen

[00:05:39] Tis the season

[00:05:40] Whatever season you want to celebrate

[00:05:41] Go on ahead and celebrate

[00:05:43] I am really glad to have you

[00:05:46] For episode 11 and 12

[00:05:48] Now mind you

[00:05:49] Jatia, my co-host

[00:05:51] Is she's traveling the world

[00:05:53] With her family

[00:05:53] So she can't be here

[00:05:54] And normally

[00:05:56] We talk about the episodes

[00:05:57] However, when real life stuff happens

[00:06:00] Whether somebody getting divorced

[00:06:02] Somebody, an accident

[00:06:04] We like to talk about it on the podcast

[00:06:06] And throughout this season 9

[00:06:09] Karen the Grand Dame

[00:06:10] We know in March

[00:06:12] Got into a DUI accident

[00:06:14] In her Maserati

[00:06:15] It was just one of one

[00:06:17] She crashed into a tree

[00:06:18] And we see it playing out

[00:06:20] On this season

[00:06:21] Karen is not drinking

[00:06:23] We know that she has

[00:06:24] A court hearing coming up

[00:06:26] On this season

[00:06:27] And she's really being like

[00:06:29] You know, I'm gonna fight

[00:06:32] The good Lord

[00:06:33] We fight in this case

[00:06:35] However, on season

[00:06:36] This season

[00:06:37] Maybe episode 4 or 5

[00:06:38] She went to court

[00:06:39] The court case got postponed

[00:06:41] They offered Karen a plea

[00:06:43] And her lawyer recommended

[00:06:45] That she took it to trial

[00:06:46] Well, Jia

[00:06:47] This week

[00:06:49] Earlier this week

[00:06:50] I wanna say like

[00:06:52] Thursday

[00:06:55] Was Karen's court case

[00:06:57] And she was found guilty

[00:06:59] Of seven of the eight charges

[00:07:03] That she was charged with

[00:07:05] Karen was convicted of DUI

[00:07:07] Negligent driving

[00:07:09] Failure to control your speed

[00:07:11] To avoid collision

[00:07:12] And failure to notify authorities

[00:07:15] Of an address change

[00:07:17] Now

[00:07:18] She is facing a minimal

[00:07:21] Of two years

[00:07:23] Hopefully

[00:07:24] Her lawyer can do something about that

[00:07:26] She can get off of something

[00:07:27] But baby

[00:07:28] That's not it, Jia

[00:07:30] Because Karen

[00:07:32] Didn't opt for

[00:07:34] To take the plea

[00:07:35] And she went to trial

[00:07:37] The defense

[00:07:39] Entered into evidence

[00:07:41] Which is public records

[00:07:42] The police body cams

[00:07:45] And when I tell you

[00:07:46] The police body cams

[00:07:48] Of the officers on the scene

[00:07:50] The officers apprehending Karen

[00:07:53] Karen being interrogated

[00:07:55] Is all over the internet

[00:07:57] And oh

[00:08:00] Gia

[00:08:00] It does not look good

[00:08:03] For the grand dom

[00:08:05] She is

[00:08:06] First of all

[00:08:07] Rey is on the scene

[00:08:08] Okay

[00:08:09] We

[00:08:09] In this season

[00:08:11] And seasons

[00:08:12] We

[00:08:13] Karen talks about

[00:08:14] How her and Rey

[00:08:15] Like they're not on the same page

[00:08:17] They're working on

[00:08:18] Finding their love

[00:08:19] Baby

[00:08:20] Rey

[00:08:20] Rey

[00:08:21] Stepped up

[00:08:22] He was talking to the police

[00:08:23] He was trying to save Karen

[00:08:24] As much as possible

[00:08:25] At one point in time

[00:08:27] Karen was like

[00:08:27] My husband

[00:08:28] My husband's gonna talk to you

[00:08:30] And they're like

[00:08:31] No, no, no

[00:08:31] We need you to answer us

[00:08:33] Karen is saying

[00:08:34] F them

[00:08:35] Karen is saying

[00:08:36] She rich

[00:08:36] Karen is saying

[00:08:37] You know they call her

[00:08:38] The grand dom

[00:08:39] She don't know why

[00:08:40] They call her the grand dom

[00:08:42] That's something

[00:08:42] Andy Cohen

[00:08:43] Told them

[00:08:44] While she's being interrogated

[00:08:46] She told the police officers

[00:08:47] That she was

[00:08:48] Thomas Jefferson's

[00:08:50] Concubine

[00:08:52] I also heard

[00:08:53] So I

[00:08:54] I did a little digging

[00:08:55] This week

[00:08:57] After

[00:08:58] After knowing

[00:08:59] That I was gonna come on

[00:09:00] For this week's episode

[00:09:01] But she called

[00:09:02] One of the officers

[00:09:02] White and poor

[00:09:05] Okay

[00:09:05] She said she's very rich

[00:09:07] Yes

[00:09:07] I juggled a little

[00:09:08] At that one

[00:09:11] The concubine

[00:09:13] Concerning

[00:09:13] Concerning

[00:09:14] I don't know what was

[00:09:15] Happening there

[00:09:16] But

[00:09:17] I'm gonna be honest

[00:09:18] I did not know

[00:09:19] Up until this point

[00:09:20] That like DUIs

[00:09:21] Were things

[00:09:21] That you're like

[00:09:22] Found guilty of

[00:09:23] I thought it was something

[00:09:24] That people are just like

[00:09:26] You did it

[00:09:27] Like

[00:09:28] This is

[00:09:28] In normal cases

[00:09:30] You normally

[00:09:31] Like can accept

[00:09:32] The guilty plea

[00:09:33] However

[00:09:33] She did not accept

[00:09:34] The guilty plea

[00:09:35] We see it playing out

[00:09:36] On this season

[00:09:38] It ain't looking good

[00:09:40] And it's like

[00:09:40] Let alone

[00:09:42] You get convicted

[00:09:42] Of these charges

[00:09:43] Okay great

[00:09:44] Not great

[00:09:45] But like okay

[00:09:46] But for this video

[00:09:48] To come out

[00:09:49] It's like

[00:09:50] First of all

[00:09:50] Karen

[00:09:50] Fire your lawyer

[00:09:52] Because

[00:09:52] If y'all know

[00:09:54] These videos exist

[00:09:55] I'm sure y'all

[00:09:56] Have had to see them

[00:09:57] Due to the discovery process

[00:09:59] Baby

[00:10:00] Your lawyer

[00:10:00] Should have told you

[00:10:02] To take a plea

[00:10:03] Yeah

[00:10:04] Like I am not

[00:10:05] I'm not well versed

[00:10:07] In law

[00:10:07] Obviously

[00:10:08] Like this is

[00:10:09] This is all new to me

[00:10:10] However

[00:10:11] Girl

[00:10:12] Like

[00:10:12] You clearly did it

[00:10:14] Right

[00:10:14] Like just

[00:10:15] Just take the plea

[00:10:16] Like any other

[00:10:18] Any other citizen

[00:10:20] Would do

[00:10:20] In this case

[00:10:21] Like you did it

[00:10:22] What was she gonna do

[00:10:23] Like community service

[00:10:24] Probation

[00:10:24] Some like

[00:10:26] AA classes

[00:10:26] Something like that

[00:10:28] Well I don't know

[00:10:30] Because this is her

[00:10:30] Second DUI

[00:10:32] So she probably

[00:10:33] Was facing

[00:10:33] Something of a something

[00:10:35] And it's like

[00:10:36] Karen

[00:10:36] You're a housewife

[00:10:37] You're a public figure

[00:10:38] You're on TV

[00:10:39] You know the judicial system

[00:10:41] Is probably going to

[00:10:43] Come down

[00:10:43] Heavy on you

[00:10:45] But just seeing

[00:10:46] These videos

[00:10:47] Alone

[00:10:47] It makes me be like

[00:10:49] Karen fired

[00:10:49] That lawyer

[00:10:51] Because

[00:10:52] And then they're saying

[00:10:53] Karen wasn't read

[00:10:54] So

[00:10:55] Earlier in the season

[00:10:56] Another story

[00:10:57] Had broke out

[00:10:57] That like

[00:10:58] Karen's defense

[00:10:59] Was trying to

[00:11:00] Get some evidence

[00:11:02] Thrown out

[00:11:03] Saying she wasn't

[00:11:03] Read

[00:11:04] Her Miranda rights

[00:11:05] Baby

[00:11:05] You can watch the video

[00:11:07] Okay

[00:11:08] The police say

[00:11:09] Like the

[00:11:10] The police are very clear

[00:11:11] In these videos

[00:11:13] And it's like

[00:11:15] I just

[00:11:15] For me

[00:11:16] Karen is a black woman

[00:11:17] She almost favors

[00:11:19] My mom

[00:11:20] Right

[00:11:20] And it's like

[00:11:21] I just don't like

[00:11:22] To see images

[00:11:23] Of a black woman

[00:11:25] Like Karen

[00:11:26] Who we call

[00:11:27] The grand dom

[00:11:27] Who really

[00:11:28] Outside of being

[00:11:30] On reality TV

[00:11:31] In the last two years

[00:11:32] She's bought back

[00:11:33] The plantation

[00:11:34] That she traced back

[00:11:36] To where her family was

[00:11:37] Like she really

[00:11:38] Has been doing

[00:11:39] Great things in the community

[00:11:40] And it just

[00:11:41] Sucks to see

[00:11:42] Someone kind of

[00:11:43] Go down like this

[00:11:44] And it's just like

[00:11:46] I

[00:11:46] And although we

[00:11:48] Making fun

[00:11:48] And he he ha ha

[00:11:49] But like

[00:11:49] Seeing those videos

[00:11:51] Of her

[00:11:52] It really makes me sad

[00:11:54] I'm not just

[00:11:55] I feel

[00:11:55] I can only imagine

[00:11:56] How Karen feels

[00:11:57] Now a lot of the fans

[00:11:59] Are speculating

[00:12:00] That she probably

[00:12:00] Will not

[00:12:01] Attend the reunion

[00:12:03] However

[00:12:04] I also feel like

[00:12:05] The Karen that I know

[00:12:06] She's absolutely

[00:12:07] Going to attend

[00:12:08] The reunion

[00:12:09] But these girls

[00:12:10] I.E.

[00:12:11] Mia

[00:12:12] They're going to

[00:12:13] Eat her alive

[00:12:14] With all of this footage

[00:12:15] It's just like

[00:12:16] Whew

[00:12:17] It is a hard one

[00:12:19] For the grand dom

[00:12:19] Now

[00:12:20] On the upside

[00:12:22] If Karen does

[00:12:23] Have to go to jail

[00:12:24] You know

[00:12:25] In the bravo realm

[00:12:26] That really only

[00:12:28] Like raises

[00:12:30] Your popularity

[00:12:31] You better ask Teresa

[00:12:34] You better ask Jen Shah

[00:12:35] Like

[00:12:35] It only really

[00:12:37] Makes you kind of

[00:12:37] Popular

[00:12:38] So

[00:12:40] Her house of villains

[00:12:41] Spot is calling

[00:12:42] Her name

[00:12:43] House of villains

[00:12:44] Season 3

[00:12:45] On the horizon

[00:12:46] I'm just saying

[00:12:46] I'm just saying

[00:12:47] Listen

[00:12:47] She

[00:12:48] She would kill it

[00:12:50] Yeah

[00:12:50] That part

[00:12:51] But

[00:12:52] And

[00:12:53] I do agree

[00:12:54] I think that

[00:12:55] In the grand scheme

[00:12:56] Of things

[00:12:59] Fun situation

[00:12:59] Like of course

[00:13:00] We're going to have

[00:13:01] Thankfully no one

[00:13:02] Was hurt

[00:13:02] Or killed

[00:13:03] Or anything like that

[00:13:04] And it was just

[00:13:05] A one for one

[00:13:06] I mean like

[00:13:07] It's still not great

[00:13:08] But

[00:13:09] There

[00:13:10] You know

[00:13:10] There's times

[00:13:11] Where we can have

[00:13:12] A little chuckle

[00:13:13] About it

[00:13:13] Because it is

[00:13:14] A public figure

[00:13:15] However

[00:13:15] I do agree

[00:13:16] With you

[00:13:17] I resonate with you

[00:13:18] When you're talking

[00:13:18] About how

[00:13:20] It sucks to see

[00:13:22] A black woman

[00:13:25] Do this to herself

[00:13:26] And also be

[00:13:27] In a situation

[00:13:28] Like this

[00:13:29] Especially as

[00:13:30] A public figure

[00:13:31] Because I think

[00:13:32] Quite frequently

[00:13:33] A lot of people

[00:13:34] That aren't

[00:13:35] In the reality

[00:13:37] TV realm

[00:13:38] Like they are not

[00:13:38] On a show

[00:13:39] Or they're not

[00:13:40] Listening to podcasts

[00:13:42] They're not

[00:13:42] In a

[00:13:43] Like a fandom

[00:13:44] Community

[00:13:44] Or even just like

[00:13:46] As a regular

[00:13:47] Like fair weather

[00:13:48] Viewer

[00:13:49] They look down

[00:13:50] On shows

[00:13:51] Like this

[00:13:52] Particularly like

[00:13:53] Housewives

[00:13:54] Bachelor

[00:13:54] Bachelorette

[00:13:55] Ones with usually

[00:13:56] Like a lot of

[00:13:58] A lot of

[00:13:59] Women

[00:14:00] Either involved

[00:14:01] Or a large

[00:14:01] Woman

[00:14:03] Viewership

[00:14:04] In there

[00:14:05] But there

[00:14:06] Is something

[00:14:07] So powerful

[00:14:08] To me

[00:14:09] Not just within

[00:14:10] This brand

[00:14:11] Of reality TV

[00:14:12] But as

[00:14:12] Reality TV

[00:14:13] As a whole

[00:14:14] About seeing

[00:14:15] Public figures

[00:14:18] In

[00:14:20] That look like

[00:14:21] You

[00:14:21] Or could have

[00:14:22] Stories that are

[00:14:23] Similar to you

[00:14:24] I mean you

[00:14:24] Know me

[00:14:25] I love

[00:14:25] Survivor

[00:14:26] Fiji

[00:14:26] And I

[00:14:27] Love that

[00:14:27] All black

[00:14:28] Final three

[00:14:28] That comes out

[00:14:29] Of it

[00:14:29] And that

[00:14:29] Has been

[00:14:30] Part of

[00:14:30] The

[00:14:30] That's really

[00:14:31] Been my

[00:14:31] Introduction

[00:14:32] To diversity

[00:14:34] And introduction

[00:14:35] To the

[00:14:36] Importance of

[00:14:37] Representation

[00:14:37] On reality TV

[00:14:39] Shows

[00:14:39] So while

[00:14:41] It is

[00:14:42] Something that

[00:14:43] Can be

[00:14:44] Dismissed

[00:14:44] Often

[00:14:45] I just

[00:14:45] Think that

[00:14:46] People really

[00:14:46] Need to

[00:14:46] Think about

[00:14:47] The importance

[00:14:48] Of characters

[00:14:49] Like Karen

[00:14:51] Who is

[00:14:52] Not perfect

[00:14:52] We know

[00:14:53] She's not

[00:14:54] Perfect

[00:14:54] But that

[00:14:56] She is also

[00:14:57] Doing a lot

[00:14:58] Of great

[00:14:59] Work that

[00:15:00] Viewers like

[00:15:01] Us really

[00:15:02] Look up to

[00:15:02] And are

[00:15:03] Really empowered

[00:15:04] By even if

[00:15:05] It's just

[00:15:05] Like certain

[00:15:06] Things that are

[00:15:07] Happening in

[00:15:08] There and

[00:15:08] From I'm

[00:15:10] Very new to

[00:15:11] The Real

[00:15:11] Housewives

[00:15:12] Universe like

[00:15:13] I used to

[00:15:14] Watch it more

[00:15:15] Regularly but

[00:15:16] That was when

[00:15:16] There was like

[00:15:17] Like three of

[00:15:18] Them it was

[00:15:19] Like Orange

[00:15:19] County Atlanta

[00:15:21] And um

[00:15:22] New York

[00:15:23] New Jersey

[00:15:24] Yeah and

[00:15:24] New York

[00:15:25] Like those

[00:15:25] Were those

[00:15:26] Were like

[00:15:26] The ones

[00:15:27] And I

[00:15:27] Would only

[00:15:28] Watch like

[00:15:28] Atlanta and

[00:15:29] New Jersey

[00:15:29] It's just

[00:15:29] Like let's

[00:15:31] Be real

[00:15:31] Like I'm

[00:15:33] Not wasting

[00:15:33] My time

[00:15:33] But the

[00:15:35] So like

[00:15:36] That's when

[00:15:37] I was a

[00:15:37] Little more

[00:15:37] Involved

[00:15:38] But this

[00:15:38] Is my first

[00:15:39] Time being

[00:15:40] Introduced to

[00:15:42] This universe

[00:15:43] Of Real

[00:15:43] Housewives

[00:15:44] And I

[00:15:45] Really loved

[00:15:46] Karen in

[00:15:47] These two

[00:15:48] Episodes

[00:15:51] I have a

[00:15:51] Couple standout

[00:15:52] Favorites here

[00:15:53] In these

[00:15:54] Episodes

[00:15:54] But

[00:15:55] Karen was

[00:15:56] Fantastic

[00:15:56] Is it a

[00:15:58] Hot take

[00:15:58] Do we

[00:15:58] Love Wendy

[00:16:00] So we

[00:16:01] We

[00:16:02] So it's a

[00:16:03] Hard world

[00:16:03] For me

[00:16:04] Right

[00:16:05] Because a

[00:16:06] Couple of

[00:16:06] Seasons ago

[00:16:07] She was

[00:16:08] Linked up

[00:16:08] With Candace

[00:16:09] I love

[00:16:09] Candace

[00:16:09] But Wendy

[00:16:10] And Giselle

[00:16:11] Were going

[00:16:11] At it

[00:16:11] And I

[00:16:12] I'm a

[00:16:12] Giselle

[00:16:13] Stan

[00:16:13] So I

[00:16:13] Didn't

[00:16:14] Love

[00:16:14] Her

[00:16:15] Going

[00:16:16] Them

[00:16:16] Going

[00:16:16] At it

[00:16:17] But we

[00:16:17] Do love

[00:16:18] Wendy

[00:16:18] Wendy

[00:16:18] Eats

[00:16:19] She's

[00:16:19] Got four

[00:16:20] Degrees

[00:16:20] She's

[00:16:21] Very smart

[00:16:22] She has

[00:16:22] A two

[00:16:23] Wick

[00:16:23] Candle line

[00:16:24] Out

[00:16:24] So you

[00:16:24] Know we

[00:16:24] Love

[00:16:25] Wendy

[00:16:25] Yes

[00:16:26] Yes

[00:16:26] Okay

[00:16:27] Okay

[00:16:27] That makes

[00:16:27] Sense to

[00:16:28] Me

[00:16:28] She does

[00:16:28] Carry like

[00:16:29] A four

[00:16:29] Degrees

[00:16:30] Energy

[00:16:30] Like everything

[00:16:31] About her

[00:16:32] Just like

[00:16:32] She

[00:16:33] She just

[00:16:34] Has that

[00:16:34] Like some

[00:16:35] Girls got

[00:16:36] It and

[00:16:36] Others don't

[00:16:37] And that's

[00:16:37] Okay

[00:16:37] But Wendy

[00:16:38] Wendy's

[00:16:38] Got it

[00:16:39] You know

[00:16:39] Like we

[00:16:40] I love

[00:16:41] Especially

[00:16:42] This episode

[00:16:42] I feel like

[00:16:43] She was a

[00:16:43] Little more

[00:16:44] Backseat

[00:16:45] Character

[00:16:45] In the

[00:16:46] First episode

[00:16:47] Episode 11

[00:16:48] But in

[00:16:48] Episode 12

[00:16:49] It was

[00:16:49] All about

[00:16:50] Her

[00:16:50] Panama

[00:16:51] Trip

[00:16:51] And

[00:16:52] It was

[00:16:54] Something

[00:16:54] She chose

[00:16:55] Chaos

[00:16:56] Now

[00:16:57] Jumping

[00:16:57] She chose

[00:16:58] Chaos

[00:16:58] And although

[00:16:59] It might have

[00:16:59] Made the girls

[00:17:00] Mad for

[00:17:01] The viewers

[00:17:01] I love

[00:17:02] To see it

[00:17:02] But some

[00:17:03] Takeouts

[00:17:04] Or some

[00:17:05] Takeaways

[00:17:05] From

[00:17:06] Episode

[00:17:07] 11

[00:17:07] One

[00:17:08] Stacey

[00:17:08] Giselle

[00:17:09] And Karen

[00:17:10] They meet

[00:17:10] Up for

[00:17:10] Lunch

[00:17:11] And

[00:17:12] Giselle

[00:17:12] And Karen

[00:17:13] Are basically

[00:17:13] Telling Stacey

[00:17:14] Like listen

[00:17:14] I don't

[00:17:15] Really know

[00:17:16] What's going

[00:17:16] On with

[00:17:16] You and

[00:17:17] TJ

[00:17:18] But

[00:17:20] You might

[00:17:21] Need to

[00:17:21] Seek some

[00:17:22] Other penises

[00:17:23] Stacey is

[00:17:23] Getting out

[00:17:24] Of a

[00:17:24] 16 year

[00:17:24] Relationship

[00:17:25] She's

[00:17:25] With TJ

[00:17:26] Who is

[00:17:26] Visibly

[00:17:27] Attractive

[00:17:28] However

[00:17:28] He is

[00:17:29] Celibate

[00:17:30] He doesn't

[00:17:30] Want to

[00:17:30] Have sex

[00:17:31] And

[00:17:32] Now

[00:17:33] You know

[00:17:33] I feel

[00:17:34] Like sometimes

[00:17:34] You gotta

[00:17:35] Test the

[00:17:35] Car

[00:17:36] Before

[00:17:36] You buy

[00:17:38] It

[00:17:38] And TJ

[00:17:38] Is a little

[00:17:40] Quirky

[00:17:40] And there

[00:17:41] Are

[00:17:42] Rumors

[00:17:43] And people

[00:17:43] Just says

[00:17:43] That TJ

[00:17:44] Is not

[00:17:44] That into

[00:17:45] Her

[00:17:45] And so

[00:17:45] We've

[00:17:46] Seen

[00:17:46] Through the

[00:17:47] Past couple

[00:17:47] Of episodes

[00:17:47] He's

[00:17:48] Exhibited

[00:17:49] Some behaviors

[00:17:49] That we

[00:17:50] Don't

[00:17:50] Necessarily

[00:17:50] Love

[00:17:51] But

[00:17:53] Yeah

[00:17:54] I mean

[00:17:54] 16 years

[00:17:56] And then

[00:17:56] You

[00:17:56] Dating somebody

[00:17:57] That's your

[00:17:58] Best friend

[00:17:58] But y'all

[00:17:59] Not being

[00:17:59] Intimate

[00:18:00] Baby

[00:18:00] I will

[00:18:01] Be

[00:18:01] On a

[00:18:02] Pogo

[00:18:02] Stick

[00:18:03] To the

[00:18:03] Next

[00:18:03] To the

[00:18:04] Next

[00:18:04] To the

[00:18:05] Next

[00:18:05] When

[00:18:05] The

[00:18:06] Chiron

[00:18:06] Came up

[00:18:07] At the

[00:18:08] Love

[00:18:08] Lagoon

[00:18:09] And said

[00:18:10] Stacey's

[00:18:11] Best friend

[00:18:12] I

[00:18:13] About

[00:18:13] Screamed

[00:18:15] Because

[00:18:16] You

[00:18:16] Cannot

[00:18:16] Tell

[00:18:17] I

[00:18:18] Listen

[00:18:19] I have

[00:18:20] Been my

[00:18:20] Fair

[00:18:20] Share

[00:18:21] Of

[00:18:21] Mistakes

[00:18:22] In

[00:18:22] Relationships

[00:18:23] I

[00:18:24] Will

[00:18:24] Be

[00:18:24] Damned

[00:18:25] If

[00:18:25] I

[00:18:25] Bring

[00:18:26] Somebody

[00:18:26] To

[00:18:26] A

[00:18:27] Love

[00:18:27] Lagoon

[00:18:27] Party

[00:18:28] And

[00:18:29] Have

[00:18:29] Their

[00:18:29] Chiron

[00:18:30] Showed

[00:18:30] Up

[00:18:31] As

[00:18:31] My

[00:18:32] Bestie

[00:18:32] Like

[00:18:33] Absolutely

[00:18:35] Fucking

[00:19:22] Of

[00:19:23] Surely she's on riot or something like that.

[00:19:25] Like surely there's something that she's able to do about the situation.

[00:19:29] Like this is not the only man that's available to her,

[00:19:32] but to go from that to dating,

[00:19:34] not dating your male bestie girl,

[00:19:39] you need to pick some other unhealthy dating habits.

[00:19:42] Cause this is just like sad to, to watch. It's just like, it's painful.

[00:19:46] It's not even funny. The commentary was funny, but this,

[00:19:49] that was painful.

[00:19:51] Right. And it's like, I do feel bad because TJ could be a great guy.

[00:19:55] And like, you know, sometimes we or women and,

[00:19:58] and even I meet somebody and they want to get up in your panties too quickly.

[00:20:03] And it's like, okay, red flag. However,

[00:20:06] if you're not even tugging at the panties, that's a red flag too.

[00:20:10] But yes.

[00:20:11] And I don't want to judge anybody's decision for any reason that they want to be

[00:20:15] celibate. Right. Like that is, that is their journey.

[00:20:18] I respect that. But I think also just his attitude about things moving forward.

[00:20:25] And also just like the, like the fair weatherness of it.

[00:20:29] And if sex is important to you,

[00:20:32] then I agree with you that like,

[00:20:33] you want to test out the car before you purchase it.

[00:20:37] You want to test out the ride.

[00:20:39] See if the engine is in check and whatnot.

[00:20:42] See if that oil is running.

[00:20:45] That is not something you'll want to find out when it's too late.

[00:20:50] If it's not, it's not up to par, if it doesn't pass inspection.

[00:20:54] Listen, we need to, we need to know.

[00:20:56] I actually do have to get my car changed.

[00:20:58] My car's oil changed soon, but.

[00:21:02] You're part of the problem, Gia.

[00:21:03] That's why the terminology is like fresh in my head.

[00:21:07] Another standout couple or commentary at the Love Lagoon was Jazzy and Darius.

[00:21:13] Jazzy is kind of like a friend of the show.

[00:21:15] She, she doesn't hold a full blossom.

[00:21:18] But when we met Jazzy, Darius was a part of the Super Bowl winning team last year.

[00:21:23] He's an NFL player.

[00:21:24] And Jazzy has been with Darius for three years.

[00:21:28] When a couple of weeks ago, the ladies were asking about Darius's kids.

[00:21:32] And she said Darius has two kids under three.

[00:21:38] Oh.

[00:21:40] Right.

[00:21:40] And so.

[00:21:41] That's where that little flashback came in.

[00:21:44] Okay.

[00:21:44] That's where the flashback came.

[00:21:45] And then one of the questions at the Love Lagoon was,

[00:21:47] do you believe your partner has ever cheated?

[00:21:50] And Darius said no.

[00:21:53] Oh, however, Jazzy, this kind of made me like Jazzy.

[00:21:56] Because Jazzy said, I do feel like it.

[00:22:00] And I can't prove it, but I feel like it.

[00:22:03] And I'm not dumb.

[00:22:05] He's had children inside of the relationship.

[00:22:07] And I was like, oh, she does know.

[00:22:10] Because earlier on the season, she was kind of trying to make the math work.

[00:22:14] And the math wasn't work because it take nine months to make a baby.

[00:22:17] So even though the baby might be three and you've been dating him for three years,

[00:22:20] you would have to go back almost four and a half.

[00:22:23] So I was respecting that, that she could acknowledge.

[00:22:29] And I said, okay.

[00:22:31] She was real about it.

[00:22:33] Like, even if I don't agree with it, she was real about it.

[00:22:35] And I like that.

[00:22:36] And can I just say, during the Love Lagoon race,

[00:22:40] these men were so boring with their answers.

[00:22:43] Well, Darius wasn't because Darius said he liked to.

[00:22:46] He liked to, but it was like, you're going around.

[00:22:50] And I get, I get there on camera.

[00:22:52] Right.

[00:22:52] But you're like the, the, who's the more submissive one?

[00:22:57] Who's the more dominant one.

[00:22:58] Right.

[00:22:59] And all the guys, oh, I'm the dominant.

[00:23:01] I'm the dominant.

[00:23:02] Dominant.

[00:23:03] You would never be the dominant one.

[00:23:05] Like, I'll be damned if you're not, if you're the dominant one.

[00:23:08] First of all, Ray immediately was like, when we first started dating.

[00:23:13] Okay.

[00:23:14] Okay.

[00:23:15] Do we love Ray?

[00:23:17] Is that a popular thing?

[00:23:17] We are.

[00:23:18] We love Ray.

[00:23:19] Okay.

[00:23:19] I love Ray.

[00:23:20] I love Ray.

[00:23:21] Like, very much so.

[00:23:22] But I was like, you all are so boring.

[00:23:26] You're talking about, oh, I'm the dominant one.

[00:23:27] I'm the dominant one.

[00:23:29] Like, shut up.

[00:23:30] Okay.

[00:23:30] Like, this is, this is not what I'm looking.

[00:23:33] You're all telling me you're all having vanilla sex every time.

[00:23:36] And that's just, that's just what you do.

[00:23:39] For shame.

[00:23:41] On there.

[00:23:42] Waste of a question.

[00:23:43] When TJ said, oh, you're definitely not going to be more dominant than me.

[00:23:48] Not.

[00:23:49] Yeah.

[00:23:49] How can you be more dominant than Stacey, TJ?

[00:23:52] When you are sleeping with a Bugs Bunny in your bed.

[00:23:55] But we will.

[00:23:56] That part.

[00:23:57] We'll.

[00:23:58] The math is not that thing.

[00:23:59] Yeah.

[00:24:00] Okay.

[00:24:00] Because I don't even want to know what you're doing with a Bugs Bunny.

[00:24:03] But anyway, Mia's best friend, Jacqueline, Karen and her used to be cool.

[00:24:08] Then they've had a falling out in the beginning of this season where Karen was kind of like talking to the ladies about her DUI case.

[00:24:18] Jacqueline said some not so great comments.

[00:24:20] Like, yeah, Karen called me the other night and I felt like she was drunk.

[00:24:22] And it's like, come on, girl.

[00:24:23] Like, Karen's fighting this case.

[00:24:25] You know, it's going to be filmed.

[00:24:26] Like, stop playing.

[00:24:27] So Karen has not been messing with Jacqueline.

[00:24:30] Mia wanted to bring her last episode 10 to the Love Laguna or Love Lagoon.

[00:24:36] But Karen was like, absolutely not.

[00:24:39] Jacqueline shows up with eight pink balloons for the eight citations.

[00:24:46] And no one seemed to heard what Jacqueline was saying.

[00:24:50] But Jacqueline was saying that she brought the balloons to represent the citations and that she wanted to release the pressure that Karen was going through.

[00:25:00] And Karen shut it down.

[00:25:01] Now, in retrospect, and we know what Karen was just recently convicted of.

[00:25:06] Maybe Karen should have let Jacqueline come and release those balloons.

[00:25:11] Maybe that would have helped a little bit because the pressure is getting worse.

[00:25:19] Yeah.

[00:25:20] First of all, now Jacqueline.

[00:25:23] Jacqueline.

[00:25:24] Miss, I didn't even want to go to that.

[00:25:27] You know damn well what you were doing.

[00:25:29] If you didn't want to go, you would not be there.

[00:25:33] And second, like, no invite is an invite.

[00:25:36] And she explicitly said, I don't want you there at my home.

[00:25:42] Girl.

[00:25:43] And then you're coming with eight heart balloons to this.

[00:25:46] Like, you were just passing by.

[00:25:49] Girl.

[00:25:50] Girl.

[00:25:51] Now, a part of me understands the idea of the citations and wanting to letting them go.

[00:25:59] Like, a part of me is like, okay, that's kind of cute.

[00:26:02] However, it's like Jacqueline, peep the scenery.

[00:26:05] Like, do you think Karen is going to receive this well?

[00:26:09] Read the room.

[00:26:10] Like, you two are not on good terms.

[00:26:12] You are not the person to be bringing these balloons into this house.

[00:26:16] And also, if you're trying to have this party just with, like, other couples or just with, like, your friends and everything like that,

[00:26:22] you're probably not going to want to be reminded about your court case.

[00:26:28] The whole point of it being a love lagoon.

[00:26:32] Karen hasn't had a love lagoon in three years.

[00:26:34] There's a reason why she's hosting a love lagoon party.

[00:26:37] But read the room.

[00:26:39] However, the ladies are going to Panama, even though my girl Kiana at first said she liked,

[00:26:45] she'd rather go to a bigger European city, Italy.

[00:26:51] Girl.

[00:26:53] Girl.

[00:26:56] This show called me poor so many times here because you tell me we're going to Panama.

[00:27:02] I don't care if it's, apparently there's a city, Panama.

[00:27:05] And Florida.

[00:27:06] In Florida.

[00:27:07] I don't care if it's that Panama.

[00:27:08] I don't care if it's the country Panama.

[00:27:10] There's a Panama City in Panama.

[00:27:13] I will go to wherever, whatever Panama you want me to go to.

[00:27:18] Sign me up, Kiana.

[00:27:20] Okay.

[00:27:20] While we're on Kiana, we like Kiana, but we don't like Greg.

[00:27:24] Okay.

[00:27:25] Greg, he wants, that's her fiance's name.

[00:27:29] He wants Kiana to cook, clean.

[00:27:33] He doesn't really want Kiana to be her full self.

[00:27:36] Now, Greg could be a great guy, but the clips that we have.

[00:27:39] What does Greg do?

[00:27:39] So he owns like a, I want to say, I think that he's a therapist and he owns a practice

[00:27:45] and it looks like they do in-home services.

[00:27:47] It's kind of the gist of what we get.

[00:27:50] Oh, I can't make fun of him for being a therapist.

[00:27:53] That's still like, okay, you want her to, but that's not the person you're dating or you're

[00:27:59] engaged to.

[00:28:00] Like they are not, uh, they are not a, uh, a homebody or not, at least not to the level

[00:28:06] that you are wanting, but you knew this already.

[00:28:09] And she wants to build a career of her own.

[00:28:12] And if you want a, a woman that does that, there are women out there that do that.

[00:28:20] They, I know that like, that is the life they want for themselves, but you're trying to reel

[00:28:26] in a woman.

[00:28:26] That's not about that life.

[00:28:28] Read the room.

[00:28:30] Read the room, Greg.

[00:28:31] Speaking of rooms, when we get to Panama, uh, after we arrived to Panama, the ladies have

[00:28:36] a two hour car ride, uh, to get to their resort.

[00:28:40] Obviously, if you know anything about housewives, the biggest thing of the biggest things is

[00:28:44] the room selection.

[00:28:46] Uh, there are three villas.

[00:28:48] Wendy chooses to have, I believe it's Wendy, Kiana, and I don't know, maybe Jazzy.

[00:28:57] Uh, and Wendy chose chaos.

[00:28:59] And Wendy decided to put Karen, Ashley, and Jacqueline in a villa together.

[00:29:06] Now.

[00:29:06] Yes.

[00:29:07] And she knew, she knew what she was doing in that.

[00:29:10] She said, I, I chose mess.

[00:29:12] I chose chaos.

[00:29:13] And I love her for that.

[00:29:15] However, it's interesting.

[00:29:17] And when we saw the previews of season nine, right, Gia?

[00:29:20] Uh, so it used to be a click, right?

[00:29:22] It used to be Karen, Candace, and Wendy.

[00:29:24] They were like really, really close.

[00:29:26] And then we had like Giselle, Ashley, and Robin.

[00:29:28] Robin is no longer on the show anymore, but she's going to be on Traders season three.

[00:29:32] So we're excited for Robin.

[00:29:34] Uh, and so Karen and Wendy supposedly have this really good relationship.

[00:29:39] Now, it does make for great TV to put Karen and Jacqueline in that same villa together.

[00:29:44] However, Wendy, if Karen is your girl, like you might want to keep her close to you.

[00:29:50] But in the previews of the whole season, it looks like we see a falling out of Karen and Wendy.

[00:29:56] And this looks like it could be the starting stones to what we see of the breakdown of Wendy and Karen.

[00:30:06] Now, more importantly, we get to dinner.

[00:30:09] And this is where a lot of the fireworks happen.

[00:30:12] Now, we know Wendy has graciously thrown this Panama trip.

[00:30:18] However, the ladies are not all great.

[00:30:20] We know that Jacqueline and Mia are besties.

[00:30:25] And Mia and Karen are not on good terms.

[00:30:28] Giselle and Mia are not on good terms because at a charity event, they got into an altercation or a fight.

[00:30:34] And Mia brought up Giselle's kids saying that they were trying to sneak boys into the villa.

[00:30:42] Giselle hasn't spoke about it.

[00:30:43] But at this table, I guess Jacqueline tries to address Karen and says like, listen, I don't know if y'all heard, but I brought these balloons because they wanted to represent citations.

[00:30:53] And I was coming in peace.

[00:30:55] Now, I was here for Jacqueline when she was doing it and saying it because I'm like, OK, this makes sense.

[00:31:00] Child, Karen took a left.

[00:31:01] Karen said I am in the process of seeking to press charges.

[00:31:06] You releasing those balloons in the air is causing global warming and it's bad for the people.

[00:31:12] First of all, Karen.

[00:31:15] At that time, you had your own pending case.

[00:31:18] I don't think while you are in court for your DUI, you can ask the judge to now issue a trespassing violation.

[00:31:26] I think you should leave the judicial system out of this, Karen, because it's not going to age well.

[00:31:34] Oh, Karen, Karen.

[00:31:35] I can't.

[00:31:36] It's just doing a little.

[00:31:38] I was with you.

[00:31:40] But that's doing a bit of the most right there.

[00:31:42] Like you're one step at a time, please.

[00:31:46] And the first step is already not going great.

[00:31:48] So I don't know what you're planning to do with the second step here with the pressing charges on her.

[00:31:54] I'm guessing this was just kind of like her throwing a lot out there.

[00:31:59] It's not actually going to amount to anything.

[00:32:01] But girl, no, no.

[00:32:05] Yes.

[00:32:06] Leave that alone.

[00:32:07] So then Giselle chimes in because Giselle is taking up for Karen.

[00:32:13] And then she addresses Mia and she says to Mia, like what I show of my girls on the Internet.

[00:32:19] Yeah, it might be perfect.

[00:32:20] And if that's what you see, then my girls are perfect.

[00:32:23] I was like, you better stand up for your children.

[00:32:24] She was like, as it relates to my girls last summer, they're teenagers.

[00:32:29] That's what girls do.

[00:32:30] Not a big deal.

[00:32:31] But for you to bring that up to the group as if like you're trying to just bring my girls into this negative light.

[00:32:37] Like we ain't.

[00:32:39] That's not what we doing.

[00:32:40] And then Mia kind of doubles down and says, well, that's what the girls were doing.

[00:32:44] And Wendy brings up a very interesting point.

[00:32:47] This time last year, like I said before, there was this fashion.

[00:32:50] There was Karen, Candace, Wendy, Giselle, Robin, Ashley.

[00:32:56] Giselle was not messing with Candace or Wendy.

[00:33:00] And it was Giselle was bringing up her children at the table.

[00:33:04] And it looked like Wendy was making a face.

[00:33:06] And Giselle ate Wendy up.

[00:33:08] And Wendy chooses this time to say, well, I feel like when I was not even saying anything about your kids,

[00:33:16] you perceived me making a face.

[00:33:17] You cussed me out.

[00:33:19] You got Wendy over here saying your girls is being hoochie mamas.

[00:33:24] And you're letting her off with grace.

[00:33:26] Now, I was like, oh, that's a good point, Wendy.

[00:33:29] Giselle countered and said, Wendy, you and I weren't even speaking at the time.

[00:33:34] So, yeah, I'm going to come at you with venom.

[00:33:37] However, Mia is supposed to be a good, good girlfriend of mine.

[00:33:41] And so, of course, I'm going to approach the situation a little different, but still let her know.

[00:33:45] And so I hate to agree because, you know, the people that be watching and they be like, oh, you always take up for Giselle.

[00:33:52] But I felt like that was a good point.

[00:33:53] Like, Giselle and Wendy weren't even communicating.

[00:33:57] Like, they hated each other.

[00:33:58] So, of course, Wendy can sneeze and Giselle thinks she's talking about her kids and is going to cuss her out.

[00:34:02] Mm-hmm.

[00:34:04] I do mostly agree with Giselle.

[00:34:07] I think Wendy makes a good point.

[00:34:08] Again, I've met Wendy for two episodes and I already love her.

[00:34:12] So, like, this is not, like, I am not the most fair judge on this.

[00:34:17] I have not seen all the evidence.

[00:34:18] I have not seen all the receipts.

[00:34:21] However, I really agree with Giselle here about, like, acknowledging the fact that I know it's a reality show, but they are, again, on a show.

[00:34:31] So, I always get very uncomfortable with the issues.

[00:34:37] And this is not a Real Housewives specific thing.

[00:34:40] This is more specifically with, like, the TLC shows that have, like, the large families and, like, influencer kids and stuff like that where kids can't really consent to being on TV, but families still are making money off of their lives and everything.

[00:34:56] Have you seen the Duggar documentary?

[00:34:58] Yes.

[00:34:59] Yes.

[00:35:00] Oh, yes, I have.

[00:35:01] All of those.

[00:35:02] It's quite interesting.

[00:35:05] But everything with those, and we see a lot of them now on, like, TikTok, like these influencer families and stuff.

[00:35:10] There's just a lot of problematic stuff going on.

[00:35:12] But being a teenage girl or a young woman, I don't know how old Giselle's kids are, is such a vulnerable time in their lives, especially when you're on a public platform or public platform by proxy because your parents are on there that are on the show and have decided to make their lives public or have this be a part of the way that they're making money.

[00:35:40] And I'm not judging the real housewives for that specifically.

[00:35:43] But I think there's comes a point where you need to be that protective of your kids.

[00:35:48] Because this idea of talking about publicly, you know, it's going to air that Giselle's daughters are sneaking guys into their room.

[00:35:59] And I'm like, that's that to me is kind of crossing a line over there because these are teenagers that are going to school.

[00:36:07] They might have people that work at the at the school that watch this show.

[00:36:12] They might have people who's like, you know, like their friends or colleagues, whatever.

[00:36:17] What are peers?

[00:36:19] Peers.

[00:36:19] That's what I meant.

[00:36:20] Yes.

[00:36:20] Their peers are like have access to this show.

[00:36:24] So it's just a lot for these young women to be thrown into the spotlight.

[00:36:32] It's already hard being a teenage girl.

[00:36:35] OK, I did it.

[00:36:36] It was not easy.

[00:36:37] It was it was rough a lot of times.

[00:36:39] But to have that extra like you do not have the luxury of ambiguity in this case or that they can kind of pick out.

[00:36:48] Oh, like this is the one that had guys sleep in like teenagers are mean.

[00:36:52] OK, they will take anything you have like they any dirt they have on you and run with it.

[00:36:56] Even just the perception of dirt on you and run with it.

[00:37:00] So to say this out loud on a public platform, I feel like it's crossing a line.

[00:37:05] And I think that like and it's not specifically with this show, but it's a larger problem.

[00:37:12] But in this specific instance, yes, Giselle is in the right here.

[00:37:15] Absolutely.

[00:37:16] And again, Wendy or Mia comes back and it's like, y'all brought my kids up.

[00:37:21] But like, yeah, we brought your kids up in the sense of the storyline that you have your kids in.

[00:37:27] Right.

[00:37:27] Like that's what we're talking about.

[00:37:29] Now, you're talking about something that happened off camera that I told you off camera.

[00:37:32] Now you're bringing in on camera like messy boots, Mia.

[00:37:36] However, Mia then talks about how she is struggling every day.

[00:37:42] Gordon wakes up a new person.

[00:37:44] She has to deal with this.

[00:37:45] And so it's extremely difficult for her to navigate this.

[00:37:49] And essentially, she's like, I might lash out on y'all.

[00:37:51] But it's like because I don't know what my every day is going to be.

[00:37:56] And it seems like the ladies tend, they have sympathy for me.

[00:37:59] And they're like, listen, Mia, like we can show up for you.

[00:38:01] However, you allow us to show up.

[00:38:04] And that's kind of sort of how the night ends.

[00:38:06] And then the next day, the ladies are getting ready to go on an excursion.

[00:38:09] And we see Mia on the phone.

[00:38:11] And Mia is talking to her mom about how for this trip to Panama, Mia has had a nanny for her children.

[00:38:20] However, she had a nanny for her children for the entire stay.

[00:38:23] However, when she left, Gordon didn't want the children with a nanny.

[00:38:29] Gordon took the kids from the nanny, drove them four hours away and dropped them off at an old nanny and now is not picking up the phone.

[00:38:36] And so I feel like this could be an example as to what Mia is talking about with Gordon and how like she just doesn't know what Gordon she's going to be or get.

[00:38:51] But I also, if I could be a little cynical here.

[00:38:55] Yes.

[00:38:56] And I don't put it past Mia, like how convenient for this to happen, right?

[00:39:04] Like, I don't know.

[00:39:05] Like, I don't want to say that.

[00:39:06] I don't want to say that.

[00:39:08] But I like I thought it and I was just like, how convenient would this be for this alleged situation to happen right after the night that, you know, and now it would only make the ladies be more empathetic for you.

[00:39:21] Not saying that that's the case, but I am saying I did think about that when she was dealing with this story.

[00:39:28] I mean, I could see it.

[00:39:29] Because she was playing a little too innocent with that whole eight balloons situation here when she knew damn well what was about to happen.

[00:39:36] But.

[00:39:36] She gave her the address.

[00:39:37] But yeah, like it's just.

[00:39:38] That part.

[00:39:39] Kind of convenient.

[00:39:40] However, if not, you know, I'm a social worker and, you know, custody with parents and children is such a difficult thing.

[00:39:48] And it can be a crazy thing to navigate.

[00:39:50] However, but Mia, it's like you're presenting to us and the girls in the world that like you and Gordon are co-parenting great.

[00:39:57] Right.

[00:39:57] Like, you know, he loves the kids, this and that.

[00:39:59] So it's like it does seem a little off that this would happen.

[00:40:04] And.

[00:40:06] I've I haven't nannied, but I've nannied for like family and friends before where I've had children for like four days while their parents went to a wedding.

[00:40:17] Let's be clear.

[00:40:18] If the mother like my best friend, she left her children with me and I had them over the summer.

[00:40:25] Uh, ain't nobody's grandmom, auntie knocking on my door and taking the kids.

[00:40:32] Yeah.

[00:40:32] Like.

[00:40:34] I need more clarification on this story because I kind of agree with it.

[00:40:38] Like I get divorce is messy.

[00:40:41] Custody cases are messy.

[00:40:44] Parents that are being fair weather caretakers is not a new concept.

[00:40:50] So and the real housewives are definitely not immune to any of that.

[00:40:55] But I do need more context in here because I agree.

[00:40:58] Like there has there is always like a specific plan in place.

[00:41:02] And if like I'm not watching anybody's kids, but but that was.

[00:41:08] But like when I had like, you know, I have younger brothers that are like younger than me by a decade.

[00:41:15] So when they were younger, like not able to take care of themselves now, they're now they're older.

[00:41:20] But you know, like I would watch them and everything like that.

[00:41:24] But nobody is coming there besides my dad and stepmom to and my dad and stepmom are still together.

[00:41:31] So like they no one is coming to the door and saying, oh, they said I could take like the kids or I could have like the absolutely fucking not.

[00:41:38] And as somebody that grew up with parents that were not together, there were always very specific rules about who is allowed with the kids.

[00:41:49] If somebody is like, you know, like who has the kids this weekend?

[00:41:53] Who is picking up like they had to communicate with the school of who was picking up the kids these days?

[00:41:59] And if there was somebody different, that's not my mom or dad, then this is who it is.

[00:42:03] Like people take that shit very seriously.

[00:42:07] So I would like to know more about how this possibly transpired.

[00:42:13] And I will give me the benefit of the doubt, right?

[00:42:15] If this, in fact, is the type of behavior that Gordon is exhibiting and that you're seeing this erratic like you're just going to take the kids four hours away and then drop them off.

[00:42:28] Then like Karen and Giselle said earlier in the season, you need to protect these kids.

[00:42:34] You need to get a court order.

[00:42:36] You need to stop trying to play nice on the Internet and with these family photos because it's like he really is.

[00:42:42] I'm not saying he would hurt the kids or anything, but I'm just saying like him in that manic state taking these kids places like no, no, no, no.

[00:42:49] You need to insert your parental capacities and do what is in the best interest of these children, even if it's going to hurt Gordon's feelings.

[00:43:00] And I think that that really is the sentiment that the ladies were trying to get across to me.

[00:43:03] And if this story that she is telling us how she is telling us is true, then it's like, baby, it's time for you to go to the courts and seek physical and legal primary custody of these kids.

[00:43:17] Because listen, ain't nobody taking my turtle two blocks up the street.

[00:43:23] And like, yeah, that that's just crazy to me.

[00:43:25] Like that's like and so I want to believe me.

[00:43:28] But like me at time and time be lying or bending the truth.

[00:43:31] So it's hard to see like because yeah.

[00:43:33] So but I'm going to I'm going to believe me on this.

[00:43:37] And if that is true, what Gordon is doing and he's not answering the phone like that's crazy to me.

[00:43:46] Yeah.

[00:43:47] Like I'm hoping the next episode opens and it's just a whole misunderstanding and they're fine.

[00:43:53] Right.

[00:43:53] Or like they're able to fix it up real quick before they go on their little Panamanian excursion here.

[00:44:01] But.

[00:44:02] I agree.

[00:44:03] It's kind of like, I don't know.

[00:44:05] I.

[00:44:06] I don't understand how something like that happens in this particular context, because it seems like there should be an airtight plan in place before you are going on your liberation girls trip.

[00:44:20] But I, by the way, I do I need to go to Panama because it looks lovely over there.

[00:44:25] I think this made me want to go on another vacation.

[00:44:29] It absolutely.

[00:44:30] First of all, I'm rolling over a week and a half of vacation into next year.

[00:44:34] So listen, I was like literally thinking about that as well.

[00:44:38] I was like.

[00:44:39] I'm thinking like, have I been to Panama?

[00:44:42] And I'm like, I don't know.

[00:44:42] I don't.

[00:44:43] I would know.

[00:44:44] I'm like, I've been to Portugal.

[00:44:45] I'm like Portugal and Panama different, but we need to add Panama.

[00:44:51] I want that.

[00:44:51] I want to know the address of those villas because like, yes, any of them.

[00:44:57] Also, Bryce, Bryce, I need your opinion on this real quick because I have some contention with one part of this episode.

[00:45:05] The bunk beds from a previous trip.

[00:45:08] Would you be upset about bunk beds because they looked damn comfy to me?

[00:45:17] I.

[00:45:18] Yes and no.

[00:45:19] Right.

[00:45:19] Like I wouldn't.

[00:45:20] First of all, as long as I have a room.

[00:45:22] Yeah.

[00:45:22] I can I can make some shake and I got my own bathroom.

[00:45:26] Like, yeah.

[00:45:27] That's the big thing.

[00:45:28] Right.

[00:45:28] So I would I would have not been tripping over bunk beds.

[00:45:32] And also, Kiana and Stacey need to know this is housewives, baby.

[00:45:35] It's like being in a fraternity or sorority.

[00:45:38] There is levels of hazing that go on.

[00:45:41] And y'all lucky y'all weren't in two twin beds because there have been housewife trips where like ladies had to share a queen size bed.

[00:45:51] So, you know, yeah, I wouldn't have been mad.

[00:45:54] I thought you were going to bring up dancing with the devil.

[00:45:58] Oh, my God.

[00:45:58] I forgot about that for a second.

[00:46:00] That part, too.

[00:46:02] OK, so.

[00:46:03] Yeah, I would.

[00:46:04] I would not have been dancing with the devil.

[00:46:06] Mind you, I was raised with a black mother that went to church.

[00:46:10] Do you remember?

[00:46:11] Maybe I'm aging myself.

[00:46:12] This was had to been in the early 2000s.

[00:46:14] Do you remember the devil sticks?

[00:46:16] They were like two sticks and like you kind of like click, click, click.

[00:46:20] I don't know.

[00:46:21] Wait, no, no, no.

[00:46:22] I get what they're like.

[00:46:24] Like two drumsticks.

[00:46:25] And then it's like another stick.

[00:46:26] And you were like spin them around.

[00:46:27] Yeah, because they would like sell them as like the they used to sell a lot of stuff.

[00:46:32] Like they're like like circus act things.

[00:46:34] But you could like you could just buy them at like like a toy store.

[00:46:39] KB toys, toys or rust.

[00:46:41] It was called devil sticks.

[00:46:42] And I wanted one for Christmas.

[00:46:44] And.

[00:46:46] You were not getting those stuff.

[00:46:48] Okay.

[00:46:49] My mom says Santa does not deliver.

[00:46:52] First of all, I was like 14.

[00:46:53] And my mom was literally saying this because mind you, I like.

[00:46:57] Yeah.

[00:46:58] Listen, when I say I'm gay, I was really, I'm really gay.

[00:47:01] Because like I was like 16 still knowing that Santa was not real, but still wanting my mom to play that role.

[00:47:11] Uh, and my mom was like Santa don't, Santa don't bring no, nothing with the name devil into this house.

[00:47:18] So I would have not been dancing with that devil.

[00:47:21] Just FYI.

[00:47:23] Uh, but.

[00:47:24] I feel like I wouldn't even thought about it.

[00:47:27] Um.

[00:47:28] Maybe you can tell which of my parents is the black parent.

[00:47:31] But.

[00:47:33] But.

[00:47:37] Not you got a black daddy.

[00:47:38] Oh, yeah.

[00:47:41] Your mom lets you get them devil sticks, Gia.

[00:47:44] Uh.

[00:47:45] Listen.

[00:47:45] I feel like my mom would.

[00:47:47] I feel like she would.

[00:47:48] I feel like she would not.

[00:47:49] Like my mom was.

[00:47:51] I love my mom.

[00:47:52] She was raised in a very.

[00:47:55] Catholic household.

[00:47:56] But I feel like she kind of like.

[00:48:00] Distance herself from the strict.

[00:48:01] Like she grew up in a generation that told.

[00:48:04] Her.

[00:48:05] To not let her kids read like Harry Potter.

[00:48:08] And like now we hate J.K. Rowling anyway.

[00:48:11] But she was not the mom that was going to be like.

[00:48:13] You guys can't read Harry Potter.

[00:48:15] Because there's witchcraft in her.

[00:48:17] Like that wasn't her.

[00:48:19] So.

[00:48:19] I love you mom.

[00:48:21] If you.

[00:48:21] If you happen to like roll in there.

[00:48:23] But I feel like I just like.

[00:48:24] Wouldn't even have thought of it.

[00:48:25] But.

[00:48:26] For these women.

[00:48:27] No.

[00:48:27] They needed like an explanation.

[00:48:29] Of it too.

[00:48:30] They needed like.

[00:48:31] What is the purpose of that?

[00:48:32] Are we supposed to dance with him?

[00:48:34] Are we supposed to like.

[00:48:35] Help her.

[00:48:36] Why is he here?

[00:48:37] I'm like.

[00:48:37] I didn't even think of this.

[00:48:39] And then for Karen.

[00:48:40] To be the main one.

[00:48:41] Dancing with him.

[00:48:42] And girl.

[00:48:43] Now we see.

[00:48:44] Maybe I should have taken it more serious.

[00:48:48] Okay.

[00:48:49] That ain't going to age well for Karen.

[00:48:51] But.

[00:48:52] I am excited to see what happens.

[00:48:54] With the rest of this Panama trip.

[00:48:56] Yes.

[00:48:56] So.

[00:48:57] So.

[00:48:57] Jatia and I will be back in two weeks.

[00:49:00] Covering episodes.

[00:49:01] 13 and 14.

[00:49:02] But Gia.

[00:49:03] Thank you so much for stepping in.

[00:49:07] Not dancing with the devil.

[00:49:08] But stepping in.

[00:49:10] With an angel.

[00:49:11] Before we go.

[00:49:12] Where can people follow you?

[00:49:14] And what else do you have cooking?

[00:49:15] Gia.

[00:49:16] Thank you so much for having me.

[00:49:17] This was so much fun.

[00:49:18] I did not think.

[00:49:19] That I would.

[00:49:21] Be like.

[00:49:22] Invested in the housewives.

[00:49:24] Of.

[00:49:25] Potomac this year.

[00:49:27] But.

[00:49:27] I am invested.

[00:49:28] I'm very excited.

[00:49:30] To.

[00:49:30] See the outcome of this.

[00:49:32] So thank you again.

[00:49:32] For thinking of me.

[00:49:33] And having me on here.

[00:49:34] You can follow me.

[00:49:36] On.

[00:49:37] Twitter.

[00:49:37] Instagram.

[00:49:38] TikTok.

[00:49:39] Blue sky.

[00:49:40] At.

[00:49:40] Classically Gia.

[00:49:42] For all of my.

[00:49:43] Reality TV shenanigans.

[00:49:45] Over on silent podcast.

[00:49:47] I just wrapped up.

[00:49:48] Our survivor 47.

[00:49:50] Coverage.

[00:49:51] And we will.

[00:49:51] Almost be done.

[00:49:52] With our inside survivor.

[00:49:53] Coverage as well.

[00:49:54] That I do with my good friend.

[00:49:55] Christine Palin.

[00:49:57] So what we are waiting.

[00:49:58] For a new season of survivor.

[00:50:00] To come up.

[00:50:01] I have to announce.

[00:50:03] That one.

[00:50:04] I am doing bi-weekly.

[00:50:06] Coverage with.

[00:50:07] Chappelle.

[00:50:08] On Abbott Elementary.

[00:50:09] And during the holidays.

[00:50:11] We have a very special treat.

[00:50:13] For you.

[00:50:13] Because Abbott Elementary.

[00:50:14] Is on a break.

[00:50:15] But.

[00:50:15] We are recording.

[00:50:17] A.

[00:50:19] Seasonal recaps.

[00:50:20] Of my favorite.

[00:50:21] Netflix show.

[00:50:22] It is a South African show.

[00:50:23] Called How to Ruin Christmas.

[00:50:25] It is.

[00:50:26] Absolutely incredible.

[00:50:28] I highly recommend.

[00:50:29] People watch it.

[00:50:30] Our recording.

[00:50:32] Of.

[00:50:32] Season one.

[00:50:33] How to Ruin Christmas.

[00:50:34] The wedding.

[00:50:35] Is out.

[00:50:36] Chappelle and I are going to be.

[00:50:37] Recording.

[00:50:38] Seasons two and three.

[00:50:39] But it is an incredible show.

[00:50:42] Please listen.

[00:50:43] Give us five stars.

[00:50:44] And give a show.

[00:50:45] Like these.

[00:50:46] These seasons are like three, four episodes long.

[00:50:48] A piece.

[00:50:49] So.

[00:50:50] Like less than three hours out of your day.

[00:50:52] So give it a listen.

[00:50:53] And.

[00:50:54] Try the show out.

[00:50:55] I promise.

[00:50:56] Like this is.

[00:50:56] This is worth the watch.

[00:50:58] Let me go add that right now.

[00:51:00] Because I'm going to do something.

[00:51:02] Yes.

[00:51:03] Right.

[00:51:03] Watch when my family is getting on my nerves.

[00:51:05] In this upcoming week.

[00:51:07] If you want an ensemble cast.

[00:51:10] With a crazy ass family.

[00:51:13] This is the show.

[00:51:15] Listen.

[00:51:16] It's incredible.

[00:51:17] To Gia.

[00:51:18] And tune in.

[00:51:19] And especially to their recaps.

[00:51:22] Gia.

[00:51:22] Thank you so much.

[00:51:24] Thank you.

[00:51:24] Hopefully we can talk soon in the new year.

[00:51:26] But this has been your Purple Pants podcast.

[00:51:28] Coverage of the Real Housewives of Potomac.

[00:51:30] Season nine.

[00:51:31] Episode 11 and 12.

[00:51:33] Have a happy holiday.

[00:51:35] If you celebrate.

[00:51:36] And we will talk to you in two weeks.

[00:51:38] Bye.

[00:51:40] It's the Purple Pants.

[00:51:41] It's the Purple Pants.

[00:51:42] It's the Purple Pants podcast.

[00:51:44] You better get your headphones in.

[00:51:46] Listen up quick.

[00:51:47] It's the Purple Pants podcast.

[00:51:49] You better listen in public.

[00:51:51] Might make your stomach hurt.

[00:51:52] It's the Purple Pants podcast.

[00:51:54] You're trying to unwind.

[00:51:56] You better get that box wine.

[00:51:58] It's the Purple Pants podcast.

[00:51:59] You're trying to get your snack.

[00:52:01] You better hurry right back though.

[00:52:02] It's the Purple Pants.

[00:52:04] It's the Purple Pants.

[00:52:05] Peace.