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[00:01:29] Join the baby boys are back. Jack, myself and Wendell are here to discuss all things episode 11 or lack thereof. With the end game in sight, the stakes have never been higher from a chaotic immunity challenge and a rare Jeff Probst correction to shifting alliances and a puzzling jury moment. This episode had us clutching our buffs and we're here to break it all down. Let's get into this week's Survivor News.

[00:02:08] Survivor News. Survivor News. And we are back covering your Survivor News season 48, episode 11. The baby boys are back. Jack, the liar himself.

[00:02:38] Wendeezy, the first merge boot. What's popping, Wendeezy? What's popping? I'm glad to be here. It's good to be back. Listen, and the non-liar of the trio of us, we have the Jack to the Atkins. You might remember him from season two of The Circle. Okay, we've got Jackery. What's popping with you, Jack?

[00:03:08] He's taking a stand. He's taking a stand. Just had to come flex on everybody real quick. What's popping? Not this season. Wait, wait, okay. Sorry, not this season. Listen, it's a lot to get into about this season, but we were just in D.C. last night. Shout out to the D.C. that came out to the Bryce and Wynn for the aid of D.C. was great.

[00:03:37] But Jack, you know what I always say? One thing that I love about going to the D.C. events, we get to meet some of the posse. We get to meet the fans. Shout out to, yes, Wendell, we're going to go there. Shout out to one of the posse members that came from, was it Israel, Wendell? Yes. Israel. She had a medical procedure or a medical consultation that was maybe Tuesday. She decided to extend for Bryce and Wynn. She didn't want to come by herself,

[00:04:05] so she made her sister fly from Colorado, who was not a Survivor fan, but now was a Bryce and Wynn fan. And just shout out to them. Shout out to the posse, but also Jack. We got some questions for you, baby boy. We got some questions for you, Jack. And I just need for you to answer them real quick, Jack. And I saw you guys going up on the news too. That was cool. Yeah, yeah. Shout out to us. We were on Fox 5 doing Celebrity Dish and the Lion Lunch Hour. DC Fox 5 loves us. They didn't have anyone on that.

[00:04:37] Did you hear him? What'd he say? They just have anybody on that, huh? No, Jack. The younger version of... I'll start. I'll get this thing started. Let's talk about it. Yeah, this is bad. I literally don't know what I'm expecting. But ask it in a way that, like, it's not that lenient. Like, go ahead, Wynn. Jack, do you know what NASA stands for?

[00:05:07] Like, not specifically. It stands for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Okay. Jack, is gravity on Earth? Gravity is, like, most places. Yeah, but it's on other places too. Okay. Okay. Do you know what the ISS stands for? International Space Station. I like it. I like it. We're getting... Okay. Are people pressing me about my astro knowledge? Is that what this is? Okay.

[00:05:36] Now, let's see. Do you believe we landed on the moon? Like, yeah. But I understand maybe... Yes or no. Yes or no suffices. Yes. Yes. I believe we landed on the moon. Thank you. Are we the only... Do you believe in our universe? We're the only intelligent life forms? No. I mean, it's very complicated, but I would say if you want yes or no, I would say no. Let's get to the hard questions.

[00:06:06] Jack, were you an alternate on Ghost Island? No. Why? Well, what are you talking about? No. Also, Jack... Is this, like, a lot of technical tests? Jack, what did you want to be when you were growing up, Jack? I don't even know. I wanted to be, like, a sports agent. Oh, okay. Well, listen. Well, we met somebody last night... All right. ...that knew you very well... Very well.

[00:06:36] ...and has played some IRL games with you, and they said, you know, Jack has changed a lot. I knew Jack when... Jack wanted to be an astronaut. An astronaut. An astronaut. Did you want to be an astronaut, Jack? No, I never wanted to be an astronaut. Jack, okay. You were Carson before Carson, Jack. Jack, somebody last night said... I like space, and I studied some astro in college, but I never would want to be an astronaut. That sounds terrible.

[00:07:06] We met somebody that played an IRL game with you that said, the Jack I knew then, he wanted to be an astronaut. They also said... Jack and Wendell use... I don't know. He said... J-Sec now. No, no, no, no. What also... What was Jack's claim to fame in the IRL? Oh, boy. Jack's claim to fame was... Before you even say anything, I want to... It sounds like they don't know me that well, because I genuinely... I don't know Jack. Something's lined up.

[00:07:36] It sounds like something like... Back in my day, I knew... I used to ball with LeBron. I'm saying he said that... He said that you said that you were the alternate for Ghost Island. And that... And that, you know, it was either you or... Or... It was either Jack... Or Michael Juerger. And they were laying their eyes. This is genuinely not true.

[00:08:05] Like, I wasn't even old enough to be on Ghost Island. That's what we said. That's what I said, Jack. Now, that's what I started looking... Mind you, but he was there with his wife. And his wife was confirming this information. And we're like, are they... Can you text me? I don't want to put them on blast. But can you text me the name? Because this is, like, genuinely things that I would have never said. Like, the only thing... The only survivor thing I would have shared in that vein was that... I got a call for Edge of Extinction. But I definitely was not the alternate. Okay. I was...

[00:08:36] Just like your NASA credentials, this is not publicly shared information. So we can't share with you the name. I can't have someone saying they knew me and putting me on blast for things that aren't true. I mean, come on. I gotta have a word with somebody. Right before we met you for South Africa? Because I said, well, this reminds me of the Jack that I knew. He was describing how... Okay, so knowing me and meeting me after in South Africa, Wendell, don't you think I would have been like,

[00:09:05] oh, I was an alternate for Ghost Island, if that was actually something I shit said? Absolutely. Yeah. No, I know. I literally... Why do you say so much? Unless you're on something. No, that's something... You know I would share that. I would share, like... I share a lot worse things than that. But nevertheless, Jack, this person started telling me... It sounds like this person doesn't know me very well. I don't know. I hope it's not someone that I consider to be a friend, because it sounds like they're just spreading...

[00:09:34] It wasn't, like, negative, though, Jack. It was... We might be spicing it a little bit. That's kind of why I want to know what it is, because to be honest with you, like... Like, it's going to sound kind of maybe hostile of me to say this, but, like, don't... Like, keep my name out of your mouth. Oh! And I know those aren't big deals, but those are specific things, not a big deal. Time out, time out. Wait, none of that is... Wait, wait. Jack, hold on, wait. Well, just... Wait. Jack, we have a lie detector test.

[00:10:04] Jack, Wendell, ask the question... Can I finish, like, the... No, you don't? No, because we have to have the lie detector test. Wendell, ask the question. Jack, this is a yes or no question? No, no, no, no, no, no. I am uploading the lie detector right now, so just ask it to the system. Okay. Was Jack an alternate on Ghost Island? No.

[00:10:32] I wish I could say that I was, guys. That would be way cooler. I mean... No, I just feel like everything you said that they said about me is not anything I would have ever... Like, genuinely, not anything I would have said. I've said a lot of ridiculous things when I was, like, 17, 18, 19. None of those are true, so... I like that, and I respect the fact that it seems like they were trying to be, like, fun and be like, oh, I knew Jack back in the day, but don't rattle off three things about me that aren't true. Like, that's just... You know what I mean? I... At first, I was believing it,

[00:11:02] but then the Ghost Island thing for me, Jack, I was like, well, he wasn't old enough. However, I was like, we will absolutely bring this to the Jackery. Can you message me on the side who it was just so I can at least, like, think it through? I'm not gonna come for that, but I wanna... If I don't know, I'm just gonna think the rest of the podcast. Who was this? Wait, what are you asking, Jack? Can you just send me the name of who it was? Like, text it to me. I don't wanna put him on blast, but...

[00:11:32] All right, well, after the pod, you're gonna have to tell me, or else I'm gonna... Sounds like a podcast. Listen, so shout out to DC. DC was a time, and the BWP is not winding up, but we are winding down. We have our Boston stop next week, and do you think that's all we have is BWP Boston? No. All right.

[00:12:03] No. It is not. We have... We have Boston, and we have the finale, New York City. We also have added a Real Talk. That will be the night before, on May 21st. What is the topic of this year's Real Talk, Wendy Z? This topic is a look ahead to Survivor 50. So what we're gonna be doing is,

[00:12:33] we're gonna be like, taking old school players and new school players, and talking about what we, I guess the evolution of the game and strategy, and what season 50 might look like. So it's gonna be a great panel. We got some great, great people, including Michelle. She's gonna speak on the panel, among others. We've got Judd. We've got Carla. We've got some heavy hitters. Also, the night before and after that, we will have our legendary karaoke party. So tickets to all of these remaining events

[00:13:03] of the Tour 48 are available. Head to brysonwin.com. But listen, let's get into this episode. What an episode. This episode could have been an alternate on Ghost Island. This episode, we could have sent it to outer space. I mean.

[00:13:36] Yeah. Way to start with. There's some fun. But it's another. I mean, right when I thought things were finally gonna get switched up. Mary. Mary. Mary. Mary. So. So, I mean, I don't know where you wanna go, but the thing that I will say that I was disappointed, because listen, you know, I'm a mother, I'm a mother Mary Stan.

[00:14:04] And although Mary might've been eating a coconut, and although Mary may not have been making the greatest pitch for her to stay, the greatest pitch for her to stay. I also feel like that was an absolute great pitch for her to stay. And it shocks me that no one wanted to work with her, because at this stage of the game, if I am Mitch, if I'm Shaheen, if I'm Camilla,

[00:14:33] no matter how she is around camp, if she is making Joe and Eva upset, in my opinion, I feel like that's a great reason to keep her. That, I just, I don't know. It just seems a little weird to me. It seems like the, the strong alliance really is strong, but at what point, in my opinion with love, because I do love everyone out here, are you playing a game to win?

[00:15:02] Are you playing a game to get in whatever place it is that you sit in that alliance? It's like, it seems like people are so scared to shake this thing up and send everyone scrambling, by getting rid of one of the dominant players that they're complacent with, kind of staying in wherever it is that they're going to land outside of that four. And then it's like,

[00:15:31] now I love Joe, right? And I'm not mad at the position that Joe was in, but have we ever seen a player hold this much autonomy in the game to the point that, like, no one is, no one even wants to go against him. It's crazy. Like, I'm not mad at Joe. I wish I could, well, some of that, but it's like, everyone saying,

[00:16:00] we can't let them get to the end. We're at the end. We're at the end. Yeah. We, we love Joe. We, we love all these people, but, but, and if I'm playing, I want to be Joe, you know, but if I'm watching, I want to see something happen. So, you know, Hey, he is running things. He's running a tight ship over there.

[00:16:27] I just want to see some of my people make a move on homeboy. Something. Yeah. I'm really, I mean, in terms of as a viewer, really wanted a move to be made. Strategically, obviously this sort of fell into the hands of like Kyle and Shahid. And so I'm trying to think about from their perspective. Like, I, I, I think there's definitely a case to make a move,

[00:16:55] but I also sort of see why they didn't quite yet, but I keep defending this saying next week's the time. And it hasn't happened yet. I think to call, to call, to, to sort of throw a crazy theory out there. Okay. Part of me wonders if maybe even a few episodes back, maybe Kyle and Shaheen came together and said, let's ride this,

[00:17:23] this group out until the final six. And then at the final six, and I'm glad I saw one of the comments from last week, just before we started this, because apparently Eva's safety without power is now expired. So that's something, you know, they didn't know about it, but it's actually something that is off the table now. So that changes things. Cause now next week they can go in with Mitch and with Camilla and split the vote on Joe and Eva. Obviously that, that, that, that people on the tribe know that though. Well,

[00:17:53] I think that no, no, what like that? It expires. They didn't even know she had it. So true. Okay. So I'm, I'm thinking in their mind, I think it's possible episodes ago that Kyle and Shaheen kind of maybe came to this agreement that they're going to rock with this group. And then maybe at six, they can split the vote with whoever's left. And I think that's actually, you know, a pretty good idea because, you know, you split the vote, you know, even my player, maybe Joe goes, and then you can probably get Eva or whoever out of five. If you're Kyle or Joe,

[00:18:23] that gives you a really good chance to get to the end. Now, I don't know if that's really the conversation they had. Obviously that relies on each other to actually, to go with the move, which given how loyal they've been so far, I don't know if that is going to happen. Whereas I kind of like at seven, if you take the shot that you're kind of the one controlling it, but at the same time, if Kyle were the one to flip at seven, Kyle might be the biggest target now. So that is, you know, maybe a point of concern. So I think there is a,

[00:18:51] there is a good plan moving forward to possibly take out Joe. I don't even know if they would take out Eva after the only, you know, issue is that Joe's been great in these immunity challenge. Eva obviously tells us, so has that idol, but if one of them wins immunity next time, which I think is a pretty good chance, then it's like, Oh, you might not have a shot at Joe. You might win it again five. And then Joe's, I think it's pretty good with fire. Kyle, you can't even take a shot at Joe when he could have at seven,

[00:19:20] made a move and, and, and had time to figure it out. But strategically just the, I think I don't mind it from Shaheen and Kyle. It's really, it's boring, but I, I don't mind it. I think there's definitely a case to be made. But it is, it is boring and kind of frustrating to watch. I'm going to push back a little bit on half of what you're saying. I do mind it from a Shaheen's perspective, right? Because I feel like, and again, this is just me as a viewer.

[00:19:50] I don't feel like as a viewer, we have seen enough of Shaheen's agency, right? We know it exists. However, and Wendell and I were stuck in the car for four hours a day and we had to watch the episode. So Wendell and I have talked about this, but like from a Kyle's perspective, now I, I love me a Kyle, but I feel like this episode of my opinion showed me what side Kyle was on, right? Kyle, Camilla is like, listen, you,

[00:20:17] as long as either one or two get to the end, I'm fine with that. And Kyle agreed. But I also feel like Kyle agreed to Camilla in this fam, in this fashion of being like, yes, Camilla, I don't mind if one, me being one, you being two get to the end, as long as the one gets to the end, right? Like Kyle, in my opinion, has made this decision that like, I want to work with you, Camilla, but I'm putting my game first. And I watching this episode in DC last night,

[00:20:47] I don't, I really feel like Kyle is setting himself. Kyle wants to go to the end with Joe. I really feel like knowing what, you know, listen, let me, let me cook for a second because like Kyle is a lawyer, right? Like Kyle is smart as hell, right? Let's be, and look at this jury, right? Like, and I think that Kyle has a read on the jury that we as viewers may not have.

[00:21:17] And I feel like Kyle is like, you know what? I'll take my risk with Joe because look at it. Who's had to fight more. Who's had to like, and again, we're talking of this like honor and integrity, but yes. And I love Joe, but Joey, Joe has been running the empire, right? And most people, we want to take down the empire. The empire lives at the top of the house. He's got workers and other people. And so sometimes people rebel against that,

[00:21:46] although they'll follow the order of law. I really feel like people are going to rebel against that. And when you look at this jury, you look at star, you, you, I mean, I think that in my opinion, what was very clear was David last night, right? Taking that stand. And at the end, you, I saw Cedric even whisper something to him, right? Where I feel like the jury might like Joe, but I also feel like the jury might be like,

[00:22:15] you've been in power this whole time. What really other than you holding the power, what does that do? And then you have someone like a Kyle who can give a closing statement, who can think about it. Let Kyle reveal his relationship to Camilla. Like that's mind blowing. I just feel like with Kyle kind of essentially in my mind, telling Camilla this episode, like, listen, sis, I love you,

[00:22:44] but if it's me or you, is you not me. I'm going to the end with deep. Like, I feel like Kyle is gearing up for something. I didn't quite think that's how he was saying it to Camilla, but I do agree. I think Joe stock with the jury has gone down a little bit. And I do understand maybe Kyle or even Shaheen's perspective, even though we haven't seen as much of it to be like, maybe if I go to the end with Joe and Eva, who their whole thing, it was like loyalty, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah.

[00:23:12] This jury doesn't really seem like they're buying into that. Maybe I can explain out. Maybe I can out explain Joe and Eva. I think it's very valid. And again, again, kind of boring. Like, I don't know if that's exactly the way I'd want to go, but it does seem like not a bad, if Kyle has thought in his mind, like I can be Joe and Eva, then you might as well just keep going with this. Maybe it's true. I feel like it's a risk to potentially take. Yeah. Cause yeah. I mean, if you flip on Joe and it's like,

[00:23:42] then you're pretty exposed the rest of the way. And the only, the only thing is like now, if they do want to flip, I guess that's the big question is like less about like, when should they flip or how they flip? It's more like, do they even want to flip? And maybe they just don't. And that's why the season is just been. So it's not a straight and narrow. The only thing is now if Kyle, I feel like my thought has been more that Kyle probably doesn't, I don't think he wants to get the end with Joe necessarily, but he doesn't want to have to pick between Joe and Camilla. So he's just going to take out everybody else except for them.

[00:24:12] And then he might not have the agency to change anything. Right? Like if they get to five and it's like Joe, Eva, Shaheen, Kyle and Camilla, then I think then that Kyle's in more trouble. And now he might get to four, make fire, get to the end. Cause they'd probably take out Camilla first, but it's still like one of those things, like you're trying to have his cake and eat it too. But eventually, you know, you're not, you're going to lose both. Well, you've been eating your cake in the dark. Will it make a big stink? That like, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I just, I'm just,

[00:24:40] I feel like Kyle and Camilla is some of my relationships with these men's is that like the world don't know they sleeping in my bed. And so like when we break up, I might be upset, but I don't have to go on. They're not making an Instagram post about me. We don't have to like do all of these things. And so I feel like he's been a little more public with a Joe's relationship. And so I feel like that might tarnish the reputation a little more as to his relationship with Camilla.

[00:25:13] I'll tell you what, um, when I, when, when we saw that conversation between Kyle and Camilla, Bryce, we had the conversation in the car. It's like, uh, yeah, yeah. I just want to see one of us sit at the end. Yeah, me too. I just want to see one of us sit at the end. And again, I think, I think it was Kyle saying, I just want to see one of us sit at the end. Um, and also it's like, if Camilla is the first to say, I just want to see one of us sit at the end. Then that to me, that's,

[00:25:42] you're my jury vote now. Like, and, and you are the person that is, is going to politic for me in the jury. So I'm hoping that that's not the case. I'm still rooting for everyone. Guy in ease for sure. I want them both to sit at the end. When I see them and how they talk to each other and how they look at each other. That's how I felt with Laurel on my season. I want to see these two at the end. I still, I still hold hope that that can happen. But when it comes to, um, the Kyle looking forward,

[00:26:10] I think Kyle just wants to get to the end. I think he's like, you know what? I am a good talker. I can, I do have a strong game. I've won here and there. I've won rewards, et cetera. Um, I've, I've played the game. So if I'm at the end, I have a puncher's, a fighter's chance at this thing. If it's with Joe, all right. I don't necessarily want to sit with them, but I'm, I'm down for it. That was me and Dom. I was like, yo, okay.

[00:26:38] If I got to sit next to Dom at the end, I'm going to do what I got to do, you know? And so that's what I got. It is an interesting point because I mean, it seems like Kyle's thinking about this, like every day out there. Where. I almost think he, and he's got these two avenues to go. And I guess in his mind, it's sort of like, if I betrayed Joe, Joe might be the type that would not give me his vote and kind of poison the jury towards me.

[00:27:08] Whereas if he goes to the end with Joe and he can kind of string Camilla along as long as he can, maybe to final five and then say like, Oh, I'm going to try to work with you. And then Joe, Yvonne Shaheen vote out Camilla. Now Kyle still keeps up that, that, that, right. That, that, uh, yeah, the, the, the, yeah, exactly. That he wants to work with her. She gets voted out through no fault of Kyle's,

[00:27:38] even though him, his hands are clean. His hands are clean. And then she goes to the jury. And like you said, she's a jury vote for him. And she's going to say really positive things about how they had the secret relationship. Now I were Camilla at that point, I don't know if I'd be as if, if I had someone who it's like, if someone's leading me on, you know, for, for like weeks in this game, almost never makes the move. I'm going to be like, okay, you said you were going to work on me, but clearly you were stringing me along,

[00:28:06] but Camilla seems less likely to be bitter than like Joe, even though I think Camilla would almost have more right to be. Um, so I, I guess I do. I mean, I think Kyle's, I think Kyle's playing the best game right now. I think he's got a lot of options and I see why it's such a thing to weigh. Cause it's like, okay, he was the most stock with the jury, but also the jury might be bitter and they might look at it this way. And then if I put out this person here, that might make me bigger. There's a lot for him to factor in. I think he's handling it pretty well. Um, and I kind of see why, again, I think it's boring, but again,

[00:28:35] sometimes the best survivor is boring to watch, like in terms of gameplay. Uh, I can see why he's getting rid of these, sort of other variables like a Mary to make, to boil it down by himself time to kind of work out his decision more and more before he really like takes a shot or doesn't take a shot, but whatever. The other thing is this. If, if Kyle votes out Joe, who is the big glaring, big, biggest threat? It'll be Eva. And if Eva, I don't know. I'm saying at the, okay, go ahead. Well,

[00:29:05] you know, but as with, with still numbers remaining in the game and vote outs to heaven, if you voted out Joe last night, who's everyone looking at? Eva. Kyle. Kyle. I think Eva, I think Eva then becomes the biggest threat. And I also feel like, but listen, look at this right now, bro. I think he was a losing finalist at this point. Well, I, I'm not, I agree with that.

[00:29:39] However, if Kyle got rid of Joe and Eva sits there, I think that changes things. And I think that ups Eva stock a little bit more. I think it ups Eva stock, but I also think Kyle then rises to be, okay, he made the, he directed this move. Now he's the biggest threat. Obviously having Joe on the jury advocating for her and giving her some, some time in the game to maneuver by herself a little bit could be good for her game. But I don't think as soon as she loses her number one,

[00:30:07] she's not now the biggest threat in my opinion. I think the biggest missed opportunity. And I'll go on record. And I say this with love. Cause I love my girl Camilla and I loved my girl Laurel. I think that we are seeing this loyalty that they have working with a window and working with a Kyle. And I feel like if I am Camilla after last week, I brought you a plan, right? And I think we hear Kyle,

[00:30:35] this episode say like Camilla is my mastermind. I can go with her with my problems and she can figure it out. Last week, Camilla gave you an option. You said, this week Camilla is bringing you another option and you're like, and again, I'm not mad. Cause it's good for Kyle's game. Kyle doesn't want to rock the boat, rock the boat, work the middle change,

[00:31:04] but new position, new position. Well, that's like, for me, stroke it for me, stroke it for me. I want you to rock, rock the boat, rock the boat, work the middle, work the middle name, work the middle, name, name, song, artist, Jack, rock the boat. Yep. This is where y'all, it gets a little hard.

[00:31:36] We, yes, maybe, but we haven't sung this song to you in four seasons. And I also was talking to a posse member to say, yeah, we get it. Jack might not know that, but some of these songs, Jack should know. Shout out to our girl, Sid. And you met Sid in Austin. She was in DC and Sid said, Jack should know some of these. Right. And Sid dressed up against me for Halloween one time long ago. I'm sorry, Sid. Um, can I get a hint? This person died tragically. Damn.

[00:32:07] I mean, all right. I don't know. Some would say she, no, we're not even going to do that. Not in the midst of a cowboy car to tour. So don't even go there. Cause I know what you're about to say. We're not going to compare this person to Beyonce. Although we love this person, but like, let's just be clear. We're not going to do that. Oh, that was someone saying. Nah, I don't know. Woo. Yeah. I wanted to get that. That's like a go-to and I don't want to just be. Well, that's why we are making it easier for you.

[00:32:37] But here's my thing. What I was saying was that like, listen, at this point, if I'm Camilla and I'm locked in and I love you, Kyle, but you've revealed your cards to me enough. And that's why, that's why what Kyle's doing is actually so good is because Camilla has like nowhere else to go. Like she has to make a move. Like what's she going to, she can't pull, like what's she going to, Mary and Mitch are ready to go, but there's Shaheen. She's not going to get Shaheen. She's not going to get Joe. She's not going to get Eva.

[00:33:06] So Kyle's just such a, she has a Mary. She like, I feel like you're right. Right. You're right. Jack. She doesn't necessarily have anywhere to go, but at this point, if I'm a Camilla and I've made it this far, I'm working with a Mary. I'm going to say that I'm going to go back to a Joe. I'm going to go back to an Eva and say, Hey, I just walked up on Mary. Right. Mary does have an idol. Like, like Camilla is smart as hell. Camilla can come up with some, so she's unforgettable. Okay.

[00:33:36] It's like, yeah, she just for her to get a little more active by herself and just try to, yeah. You said she's unforgettable. Yes. As opposed to God fund betrayal. Which this season did not have. Mind you. It is not funny. I'm with Joe. Because that's what I saw. Okay. I saw that too, Joe. I said, that's how you know you're in the wrong spot on a puzzle of Bryce agrees with you.

[00:34:07] He should have known. He should have known. A big thing I want to do, you know, we touched on a little bit. We talked to, like I mentioned, I think Joe's stock is falling a little bit. And the biggest takeaway that I had was with this Mary situation about, you know, Mary is a great at playing from the bottom. I think she did everything she should have done this episode. And everyone, you know,

[00:34:36] people were just so tight knit that it didn't work, but like, well, you know, she did her best. Joe, I thought it was a huge blunder what he did in reaction. You know, it didn't even, it wasn't even that obvious to me at first, but if Mary is bluffing her idol and Camilla is safe, has immunity, and you go to Mitch and Kyle and suggest that you might throw a vote somewhere, Kyle and Mitch reacted perfectly. They're like, what on us?

[00:35:06] Cause the only other people he could vote for were even in Shaheen. So Joe clearly didn't like, I would assume his vote would be on Mitch, but like Joe clearly didn't think this through at all, which I think this it's such a blunder that I think it kind of makes me rethink a lot about Joe. He's an excellent social player and great at leading this group. But when it comes to like, I think any layered strategy, it seems like, and obviously it's late in the game, people tired, but like,

[00:35:34] I don't think really anyone else in this game was making a blunder like that. It was, it was pretty bad. Like, and he, it almost seemed like he almost suggested like, can I throw a vote on you? It's like, you didn't almost Jack, Jack. He said, Hey, word around town is. Mary might throw something on me. Wendell and Jack. Which one of y'all? Which one of y'all's name? I'm not, listen, we, we, we not going to do it,

[00:36:04] Jack, but, uh, I'ma just throw Jack reality. Yeah. It's like, I get him being a little bit nervous, but that's not like, like, and I get him also being like, if they were in my shoes, they would be worried too. Sure. They've been in your shoes. That you're going to vote for them instead. Where you're like that, that to me almost shows like, like, no, it's kind of like,

[00:36:34] who do you think you are in this game? Like when you're in power, right? Like when you are in power for so long, he's drunk with power. Yeah. I think maybe the jury's perception of him is, is not going to be as good as it should be. Like it's like for him to, it's so like, like to be like, Oh, is it cool? If I, like, I'm worried. Can I throw a vote for you? So that she plays an idol. Like that you would go home instead of me is basically. She does have an idol. Then that means I'm going home. Joe.

[00:37:05] Why would I be cool with that? Like if someone asked me that, I would be like, are you insane? Like, no. What? I'm not even mad because the way Joe did it, when we in the car, I had to ask Wendell. I was like, well, why wouldn't they do it? Right? Well, why wouldn't they do it? Wendell's like, no, that don't make sense, Bryce. I'm like, oh shit. Like I'm listening to Joe, but listen, for me, real quick, Wendy Z, for me, this is why I love Joe, right? I love a contradicting King,

[00:37:35] right? We won't, we vote in Mary. Stay cool. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Mary eating the coconuts. You saw Joe go. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Here go, Mary. Your breath stink. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Here go, Mary. F you. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 3, 1. Mary said,

[00:38:05] Hey everybody. Hey, just, I know I'm going home, but before I go home, Joe, I'm putting a vote on you. Joe's like, Hey, we need a meeting now. Eva, Kyle, Shaheen, Mitch, come here. Like, I love the, I just loved the, the paranoia of a Joe in all episode. The edit has been trying to like have him control the paranoia,

[00:38:35] but I do have thoughts, but when the, what were you going to say? Have we seen, cause I remember in ghost island, Dom and I got blindsided like episode three and they voted out. Morgan. And that's, that was the, all the survivor school we needed at the time to learn and to snap into it. Has Joe had one of these moments in this game or has he been riding a high, literally the whole game.

[00:39:04] He had even been on top the whole time. This is a, this is tremendous power. You have, you have yet to, I guess, falter or fail or for anything to not go your way. So yeah, we could say he's almost like, it's like, if everything you do turns to gold, if everything you touch turns to gold, then yeah, you could be like, you know what? I'm just going to say certain things to whatever people. And when something finally doesn't go your way or when Mary wants to call

[00:39:34] you out, now you're really shaken up. I will, I will say for as strong of a game as Joe's been playing, we have seen him slip up socially. Like, didn't he slip up socially with Mary? Like last episode or something when, you know, like basically what people were like blaming her for David and things like that. Like three jury management type of stuff, you know? So we know that this man isn't like the perfect player.

[00:40:04] But yeah, I think the falters in his game are, are when he sees something coming for him and now he's trying to socially maneuver. And some like, so that, I think that those things are his Achilles. It's what makes so interesting. Casting wise too, is like, we see Joe values like honesty and integrity. And he is obviously a man of those principles, but he's also playing to win. Like we can tell he's playing to win. Um,

[00:40:34] and I just think in this day and age, you're never going to be able to win the game of survivor playing fully honest and fully with full integrity. But it seems like Joe is still coming to terms with that. And so he's trying his best to, but he also like subconsciously knows he has to lie a little bit or whatever, but he's not really like accepting that part of, I mean, it reminds me of his reaction to what David said. Like he went against his word. Like, obviously that was maybe a little bit exaggerated, but obviously Joe, I think couldn't even comprehend why David would even say that.

[00:41:04] Cause in Joe's mind, he's playing with so much integrity. Now, let me be clear. Like you, like Joe shouldn't be playing. Like Joe is starting to, to go against that a tiny bit. And I don't think Joe's really understanding that, but then he gets himself in these situations where it's like, okay, well I did. Like, it's almost like I do have to lie to you, but he like, doesn't really want to. But then he's like, that's why he's like, he trips up on his words a little bit. Um, which is, I think obviously as a viewer, as a fan that like, I'm like, go for it, Joe, like go do it.

[00:41:34] Um, but he's, it's almost like he doesn't even know, that that's what he's starting to find the position. He's finding himself in, but like, I feel like he is finding himself in that position. And I feel like he's kind of running camp. Like what a Boston Rob would do in old school when we make a decision and he doesn't want you to talk because if you don't talk and people can't like twist your words. And we kind of saw that with, um, Mary, when Mary was like, no, one's talking to me. And if anyone talks to me, then it's like, it ruffles the feather. And so it's like, again, kudos to Joe,

[00:42:04] right? Like, because although as a viewer, I hate it. However, if I'm in Joe's shoes and I can lock it down, I ain't mad. And again, I really do feel like respectfully. Some of the blunder is on that. People that are left in the game that aren't able to pick up on this. That's for me is what the, what frustrates me. I understand like you want to fall in line, but sometimes you got to buck back. Sometimes like you, we need a revolution. Okay.

[00:42:32] The revolution will be televised and we're watching TV. Now, what I will say is that Joe's blunder, this episode of him getting a hype, like, Oh, what are we going to do? I feel like that was a lot of the edit because at the end of the day, if Joe felt like he was in trouble, baby, best believe Miss Eva will have come through with the idol so quick.

[00:42:57] And the fact that there is no footage of them even discussing that makes me maybe even believe now here's a wild thought. Could Joe have been acting? Is there now hear me out. Is there a world where Joe hears this information and then kind of like acts a little overreacted, like he did to kind of almost signal to the other people that like, maybe he's not in power. Like, you know,

[00:43:27] it kind of lowers his like threat level of like, he's going to be more nervous about it. Right. To be a little more nervous about it because then now it's like, you've got people like Shaheen and Mitch comforting you. Like, don't worry about that. They didn't wrote my name. It was quite comforting. I do think it was even that Mitch the wrong way a little bit, but I know where you're coming from. Right. Like humanize you a little bit. I mean, he didn't go about it a great way.

[00:43:57] Like I still maintain that. Like with him saying like to Mitch, it's basically being like to Mitch Catholic. You know, that's the thing with Joe wanting to keep integrity. I think in his mind, he's like, what's like the most honest thing I could do is it's to go ask Mitch. If I could like write his name down, which is way worse to do. And honestly, it seems way more deceitful than to just be like, okay, let me talk to Eva. Maybe one of us throws a vote on Mitch. Like, that's okay. Like, that's the thing. Like he's getting himself in these pickles,

[00:44:27] trying to be honest, but then he's trying to be like, so honest that it's like, no, that's like way more messed up. Like, why would you like, you know what I mean? Yeah. You just write it down. You say your apologies after. Like I'd be more offended if I was Mitch, that Joe asked me like thinking that I would be okay with that. Then if he just did it. Like. Another blunder or a blind side that I, I I'm shocked that Kyle not taking this avenue. Cause I feel like Eva at this point, we see Eva,

[00:44:57] she goes on another reward. Eva picks the purple rock. Eva does the, the challenge. Eva doesn't go for knowledge without power because why does she need knowledge without power? Because Eva has the power. So it doesn't matter, but I love power. Right. That's what, that's what Eva got. Not knowledge. What is it? Knowledge with power, safety, safety with power, safety without power, safety without power. Right. But Eva turned it down because she's like,

[00:45:26] I've got the safety with the power. So I don't need this. But Eva coming back and essentially like her rationale was like, I'm one for the team, one for all, all for one. Right. I'm for the team. Was that her rationale? Well, her rationale was like, well, I got everything. So it's like, I don't need it. What do I do? I was like, y'all wanted this so you could take, take my shit, but I don't need it. Like, cause I got everything. Eva, Eva got back to the camp. It was like, I know y'all will want this,

[00:45:53] but not today. And at tribal, when Eva said like, I'm for the team, like I'm doing what I can for the team. I want to know, is there a point in Kyle's mind where he's like, I wonder if there's a way that I could utilize Camilla to orchestrate a Joe getting out. And if I orchestrate that, who's the next person that Eva is closest to is me. And now it's like,

[00:46:23] I want all of that armory that you've got and utilize it to protect me. Like, I don't know. I feel like that's a, that could be, that's a winning move for a Kyle. I like that idea. The problem is. Oh, a Kyle, like we said last week would have to be a kind of a part of it. I feel like, and B I feel like Eva, of course, if she catches wind or something like that, or knows that Kyle was involved, I feel like Eva, you know, Eva seems like the type that if someone stabs in the back,

[00:46:52] she's like, never going to forgive you. And like partly because, you know, we know that she doesn't have the best ability to pick up on, you know, people are lying or telling her the truth. So it just feels like, and that's like a vulnerability of hers. So if you do lie to her, I think like, that's it with Eva. Like you're not winning her back over. She's not trying to get lied to multiple times. Right. Which is what Survivor is all about. She's, she's had a pretty good in that sense. But I do think if Eva got like lied to by her, she would be like, she's,

[00:47:22] she'd freak out. Like she would, yeah. I, which would be interesting to see her play from the bottom, but I don't know. It doesn't seem like we're going to have to do that. I also feel like the only person that's really, really honest in the honest integrity tribe, uh, Alliance is Eva. And I almost feel like the way that Eva reveals her truth, right? Like I, it's like, uh, it's like her power and her superpower, right? Like where it's like, she just like tells everybody everything.

[00:47:51] And it's great because it disarms her. It really does. Like, I don't think anyone really is looking at Eva as a threat at this point, only in the sense of, because it's like, well, girl, you've been at the top and we know everything. And so it's like, there's no need to portray, betray you, uh, because it's like, we know everything. And so I look at it like, well, I want to make sure I'm good with Eva. I want to, like, I, I, this is why I say,

[00:48:19] I do think he was playing probably the closest thing to an honest game that we've seen in a long time, but that's why I don't feel like an honest game can really win in the new era. Because I think, especially with a lot of the criteria that jury members typically factor in, especially more so on other seasons. I mean, this season, maybe there's a little, a little bit more integrity. I mean, this jury I say, but it's like, if I'm there, it's like, okay, Eva, like you're straightforward and honest about everything. That's cool. I really like you, but that's not a game I'm going to vote for. So. Right.

[00:48:49] And that's fine, but you're still killing it. Right. But again, I'm just saying, I think you sort of were saying like that made her maybe more, maybe I misinterpreted the way so, but I felt like you were saying that's like something that people might value to vote for. I'm like, no, I value to work with, not vote for. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah. Cause I think it's great. She's the best ally you could have. Absolutely. That's why I, that's why I think no one's targeted. Cause it's like, well, if I can get and go with Eva and I don't think people are going to work with her, then I definitely want to keep her around. Like here.

[00:49:19] It's not much in this episode, so we don't need to talk more, but I would love to know your two perspectives on this. Who actually is playing the more honest game, Kyle or Joe? I mean, I would say, I guess. I'd say Joe, I guess Joe, but I think there's a case to be made for Kyle.

[00:49:45] But the only thing is that the way Kyle's playing the game is he's got a, a lot of honesty right now, but at some point, inevitably he's going to have to break it. And so he's, he's, he's really honest right now, but inevitably he's going to really betray one of his number ones. Whereas Joe isn't going to have to do that. But, but okay. Right. Okay. I'm with that. But I also, what say that again? Kyle is, Kyle is not being honest about his relationship with Camilla. Right.

[00:50:15] But what if, what if Camilla and Eva go to fire? And Eva went fire, right? Like, like, um, that would require that like, like, he or Joga before, right? So Kyle would have to, well, he did have to like make a move or really just like passively not make a move, which I think really hurts. Like, but is there a way that Camilla could go and that Kyle's hands are clean? Well, sort of, but that would, right.

[00:50:44] That would require either taking out like a Shaheen or Joe at five. And so, and it's at that point, it's like, we've talked about Kyle helping set up those moves and like not pulling the trigger. But if he also, if he knowingly does that, then that's not honest. That's like, that's like Shaheen goes, isn't Shaheen in the loyal and honest alliance with Kyle and Joe. Yeah. So if Kyle were part of getting out Shaheen, then he's no longer being honest because he just betrayed that alliance. Wouldn't Joe have to be a part of getting out Shaheen as well? Not necessarily.

[00:51:13] What if Kyle goes against Camilla and fire, eats her in fire that bolsters him. He wins the game. Yeah. I mean, Kyle, I think he's the front right now to be honest with you. Yeah. Again. Well, I mean, I don't know. I think, I think Joe might be the front runner, but I just, I'm just, what we're seeing of Joe lately though is, is really, it is partly the editing, but that's, you know, a factor. I think it's hurting his stock. Like he, last week he had a slip up with Mary this week. He has a slip up with like, I was talking to Mitch.

[00:51:42] And I think with this jury that there, I feel like if I'm on the jury, I'm going to be pretty sick of Joe, not because he's done anything wrong, but like, if like we talked about even earlier in the, in the post merge with David, if they're all talking about this integrity and strength and loyalty, and I'm not a part of that. And I, and I was never going to be a part of that. Then I'm not really thrilled about casting my vote for Joe. And I feel like that's how a lot of the jury members are going to feel. Like, I feel like David's not going to vote for Joe. I feel like Mary's not going to want to vote for Joe. I don't think he's going to want to vote for Joe.

[00:52:12] I don't know if Cedric's going to want to vote for Joe. I don't know if Star is going to want to vote for Joe. They probably all, he's so loyal to his people, but he also had relationship with them and then they feel betrayed. So, um, I think that's the thing. But, and that, and that's what's my question to you is, then is Joe really playing a loyal game? Like who's actually playing the more loyal game, Joe or Kyle? And I feel like with Joe, with Kyle being a lawyer, I feel like Kyle might get to the end and give a closing statement that kind of

[00:52:41] can reflect something like that. And I think might be like, I don't know. Agreed. That's, I think that's a, yeah, if I was a betting man, I'd be, I'm betting on Kyle to win for sure. And it's, it's not, it hasn't been flashy, but it's been really strong quality. Like solid survivor. At this point, it could be one of the best games of the new era. Just in like how you just played it by the book and he's done it really well. It doesn't have to be flashy. Yeah. And again,

[00:53:10] I I'm also still holding out that again, they brought knowledge without power back to season. The last time we've seen it was when. What? Power without knowledge, knowledge, knowledge is power. Knowledge is power. They brought knowledge is power this season. The last time we've seen it was season 43. Right. And who won that season? Gabler. I'm still holding out. That again, my job, I wouldn't be mad if the Joe won. I wouldn't be mad if the Kyle won. I'm still holding out. Shayin.

[00:53:40] Camilla. Camilla. I'm still, I'm still holding out. My baby boy, Mitch, my goal on immunity. I'm just saying, I, I, I'm still holding out. Who has the best shot? Say, say somehow Joe and Kyle, neither of them are there. Like if say it's like an Eva, like that, right. Then the other contenders would be like Eva, Shaheen, um, Camilla. I don't really know if Mitch is a contender at this point. I hate to say that, but like it's, it's, there's not enough time for him to turn things around.

[00:54:08] Like who wins of like a Shaheen and Camilla and an Eva, uh, doesn't necessarily have to be that final three specifically. Like Mitch could be in that mix and, and I love Camilla. But I, I think I might have to go with Shaheen only because Camilla and Kyle's relationship has been so undercover. Yeah. People just might not. Believe it. See it. That's the thing. You could have. Shaheen has been out here. Shaheen been like, you know, so that's my only thing, but. Like for us as a viewer,

[00:54:38] Kyle and Camilla's secret relationship has been amazing. But if it's that secret that nobody knows about, you never do anything with it. Like after the merge, it's like, okay, like me, me and Wendell could say we have a secret, Alliance. but if we never like work together, then it doesn't really matter. Yeah. Well, I mean, again, it's safe to say that this episode wasn't the greatest, like action packed wise. However, if you're playing a game like a Joe, you're playing a game like a Kyle,

[00:55:07] you're playing a game like a Shaheen. Like, I mean, it's slow and steady wins the race. Can I ask a quick question to cap it off? I know you have to run Bryce, but just say, it could be like a quick answer. We've been talking about it every episode. Do we think final six is something going to happen? Or is it just going to be like Mitch or Camilla that goes up? Nothing's happening. I think it's at this point,

[00:55:37] from what I've seen, I honestly think that it's like, they're going to pick everybody off. Cause like, what else? Who else you got to make a move? Like I, I'd like to see it. It's Mitch or Camilla. Yeah. Kyle and I should probably both have to be down to like split the vote. Right. Like Kyle's not going to go to rocks at this point. I'll no. Yeah. Yeah. You can only, you can only show me, but so many times I'm going to believe who you are, you know? So, um,

[00:56:08] damn, I had some, Oh, the other thing I wanted to say quickly, quickly was Jack, you mentioned a couple of times we've seen Joe's edit kind of like, um, sliding a little bit. We've seen Kyle's edit kind of rising a little bit. And I will also remind you guys that sometimes they, um, and again, I see either one of them winning it. Like those are my, I, I see either one of them winning it. Um, but sometimes they, uh, they bolster the second place person's edit a little bit towards the end or whatever to make, um,

[00:56:39] it interesting to make it look like, Oh my goodness. You know, or even the third place person, they bolstered towards the end and make it look like, wow, like we're going to see something. And then we still might get a serious imbalance with the votes. It's fair. Yeah. My final thought is as, although we are viewers and maybe we're not happy with the outcome. Cause it's not an exciting game at this point in the season. Last season, we got operation Italy, Andy flipped the game on his head. Right.

[00:57:07] I do just want to remind the viewers and the people that are watching that, although it might not be interesting to us, baby, Shaheen, Mitch, Camilla, Eva, Kyle, and Joe, they still out there fighting, right? Like, it may not be that exciting to us, but it's still in that moment in time, it's a war going on. And so I just, you know, just wanted to remind the people of that. Zachary, what's,

[00:57:34] what's the emoji if you made it thus far in the episode, what, what emoji should the people be using? Let's go with, let's go with a wave emoji, like, like a, like a ocean wave, not like a wave wave. Let's go like an ocean wave. Cause I think we're all hoping people make some waves. Uh, and then the rest of the season. And let's do some prayer hands also. Prayer hands wave. Cause we're praying, we're praying for a wave. Well, listen, Jack Wendeezy,

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