Purple Pants Podcast | Chimp Crazy Pt 1

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[00:01:07] I'm really excited for this week's crazy Chimp Chimp Crazy Talk.

[00:01:11] I am joined by one of my good friends, Miss Sarah.

[00:01:15] We are recapping episodes one through three of the HBO

[00:01:20] Daku series Chimp Crazy.

[00:01:23] They keep saying it's from the director and the creator of Tiger King.

[00:01:28] He is directing a new Daku series on Chimp Crazy and Bae Bae.

[00:01:31] It starts off a little slow, knock one lie.

[00:01:33] Didn't really start getting into it until the end of episode two.

[00:01:37] But it talks about again this exotic pet owner of Chimp Pansies and Bae Bae.

[00:01:44] Listen, we start going down a rabbit hole.

[00:01:47] So go down this rabbit hole with us this week.

[00:01:50] We are talking Chimp Crazy Episode one through three recap.

[00:01:55] Let's go.

[00:01:57] It's a man who is a menu.

[00:01:59] Me and potatoes like we're cooking up a great stew.

[00:02:02] It's a man who is a menu.

[00:02:04] Me and potatoes like we're cooking up a great stew.

[00:02:13] What is going on?

[00:02:14] I'm so excited to be back this week.

[00:02:16] I was minding my business and I have nothing to do this week.

[00:02:20] I was thinking as I was bed rotting and I'm like HBO got a new series out

[00:02:25] and they calling it the Tiger King of HBO.

[00:02:28] And so I was so excited I texted my good friends.

[00:02:31] I've always talked about her on the podcast.

[00:02:33] Now I have her on the podcast.

[00:02:35] Welcome, my good friend, Sarah, to the podcast.

[00:02:39] Hey, Sarah.

[00:02:41] Hey, hey, hey.

[00:02:42] Thank you for having me.

[00:02:45] It's your podcast voice for me

[00:02:47] because I just was out with Sarah this weekend.

[00:02:49] And that definitely was not the voice she was giving me when I was parking

[00:02:54] the car trying to confirm the location and say it was cussing me out.

[00:02:58] But anyway, that's not what we're here about.

[00:03:00] We're here about OK, we got a glimpse to real the real voice is coming out.

[00:03:06] So we are here to talk about Chimp Crazy on HBO Max.

[00:03:14] Now they're saying it's the new Tiger King.

[00:03:19] They all all they had to say was Tiger and I was there.

[00:03:23] They had two episodes available.

[00:03:25] The last episode just came out last Sunday.

[00:03:28] And I don't know what were your first thoughts

[00:03:33] when you watched the first two episodes?

[00:03:35] Let's not even talk about the third episode yet.

[00:03:38] It definitely gave Tiger King Monkey Queen 2.0 for certain.

[00:03:45] See, for me, the first two episodes.

[00:03:48] Now I watched the first two episodes before my friend Sarah watched them.

[00:03:52] And I'm like, girl, they don't do anything for me.

[00:03:54] But the last 30 seconds of the first second episode pulled me in.

[00:04:00] And so let's introduce the characters.

[00:04:02] So we have who we would say Joe Exotic is is Tanya.

[00:04:06] Is it Hendrix?

[00:04:07] Haddix.

[00:04:09] Haddix. OK.

[00:04:10] She is a former nurse and she is an exotic animal enthusiast.

[00:04:17] How would you describe Tanya?

[00:04:19] How do we meet Tanya?

[00:04:20] Well, Tanya describes herself as the Dolly Parton of chimps.

[00:04:29] OK, because Miss Tanya, baby, she has the looks on the looks on the look.

[00:04:35] She is tan.

[00:04:36] She loves a party city blonde wig and she has nails.

[00:04:41] Now listen, this is what I will say about Tanya.

[00:04:43] Now, I don't love her synthetic wigs.

[00:04:45] But what I will say about Tanya and her synthetic wigs is I like the options

[00:04:50] that she gives us.

[00:04:52] OK, she gives us a little $150,000 of selling exotic animals a year.

[00:05:01] I mean, listen, you like what you like and you don't what you don't.

[00:05:04] But what I can tell you is that I can tell you some of those wigs are more

[00:05:07] than like two hundred dollars, especially the one that she has in her main main one.

[00:05:12] I know.

[00:05:14] I'm some synthetic wigs cost a lot of money.

[00:05:16] Listen, I can tell Tanya put some money into it.

[00:05:19] But anyway, so the the documentary does a really good job of like, of course,

[00:05:24] we're in the exotic animal realm and exotic animals should be in the wild.

[00:05:30] They shouldn't be pets, right?

[00:05:32] And so they start us off or they do a good job

[00:05:35] throughout these three episodes that we've seen this far of giving us

[00:05:38] examples of people that have had chimps as pets that have gone wrong.

[00:05:45] We start off with this lady in the circus who essentially

[00:05:49] she had a baby, she got a baby monkey, the baby monkey wasn't eaten.

[00:05:55] And so while she was breastfeeding,

[00:05:56] she was breastfeeding this other monkey and essentially raised this monkey

[00:06:00] with her daughter.

[00:06:02] Anything to add to that?

[00:06:04] No, Pam.

[00:06:06] No, Pam.

[00:06:07] Okay, yes.

[00:06:09] And so we're like, is Pam who we're going to be following?

[00:06:13] And then Pam's story leads us to

[00:06:17] they're like, where did you get your chip to Connie?

[00:06:20] Now, Connie.

[00:06:23] Is the gatekeeper.

[00:06:26] The gatekeeper, right?

[00:06:28] Like if this is like the Sopranos, if this is the mafia, Connie is

[00:06:33] the godmother of selling chimps.

[00:06:38] And Tammy, who is married, has kids.

[00:06:43] She used to be a nurse.

[00:06:44] She loved raising or she took a chimpanzee like class cost

[00:06:50] $300 you could spend a day with the chimpanzee.

[00:06:53] Wait, wait, you got to back up, right?

[00:06:55] She was a foster mother of 75 foster children.

[00:07:00] Now, Sarah and I both are social workers.

[00:07:02] And now I don't mean this by any malice.

[00:07:06] But I've seen foster parents like Tammy before.

[00:07:09] Have I'm like, Tanya, have you?

[00:07:11] I have.

[00:07:13] Now, and I'm not saying like there is something there is

[00:07:17] there is some there's a foster parent that I'm thinking of like, right?

[00:07:20] Right. Like Tanya, although they are making her the villain of the show, right?

[00:07:27] Do I feel like she will harm the animal?

[00:07:31] I do feel like Tanya has a good heart.

[00:07:34] And I do believe that Tanya believes that she is doing what's best for these animals.

[00:07:39] So Tanya was a well kept woman.

[00:07:42] She was married, her first husband, he wanted her to work.

[00:07:46] He said, listen, babe, you don't got to work.

[00:07:48] I make the money.

[00:07:50] You go buy all the party city ways you want.

[00:07:52] But Tanya said, I'm an independent woman.

[00:07:55] And Tanya was like, I needed to do something to fulfill me.

[00:07:57] And so Tanya had a whole bunch of foster kids with like bless our heart.

[00:08:02] And she took on the medically complicated children.

[00:08:05] And Sarah and I both know as social workers,

[00:08:07] sometimes those are the hardest children to place, right?

[00:08:10] So bless Tanya's heart for that.

[00:08:12] I've also heard of this story, which I'm sure you've heard as well.

[00:08:15] I've always liked sometimes people are foster parents because they can't have

[00:08:19] children and I've heard this story in real life multiple times where parents

[00:08:23] can't have children, they have foster children and then them fostering children.

[00:08:28] They get pregnant like they have their own child.

[00:08:31] Like it's the weirdest thing ever.

[00:08:33] Not the weirdest thing ever.

[00:08:33] I think it's like a blessing.

[00:08:35] But so Tanya has her own son.

[00:08:38] She does stops her from having stops her from fostering.

[00:08:45] And then she kind of focuses on her own son.

[00:08:47] Her son kind of grows up and Tanya is like,

[00:08:49] I feel like I am a natural born caretaker, like I love to take care of children.

[00:08:56] My child doesn't need me anymore.

[00:08:58] My husband's working.

[00:09:00] So she takes the sun.

[00:09:01] He still needed her.

[00:09:03] So he has a story about the little diapers in the back of the car.

[00:09:08] Right. But the son needs Tanya in a way.

[00:09:12] Of course, everyone always will need their parents or something.

[00:09:14] But like.

[00:09:16] He doesn't need my own diapers anymore.

[00:09:19] Right. He doesn't.

[00:09:20] Tanya don't need to day to day him.

[00:09:21] So Tanya is over him and we'll get to that.

[00:09:23] And so she takes this three hundred dollar class by Connie and she loves it so much

[00:09:29] that she starts volunteering for Connie so much so that she volunteer for Connie one

[00:09:35] day a week, two day a week, three day a week or that week.

[00:09:38] Then all of a sudden she's living on Connie's property compound.

[00:09:44] Now, Connie used to own his business called Party for Chimp.

[00:09:49] Um, yeah.

[00:09:50] Something like that.

[00:09:51] Yeah, something like Chimp Party.

[00:09:54] Where party is what it was.

[00:09:55] Chimp Party where they bring the little chimpanzees to the birthday parties.

[00:10:00] Surprise the kids of people loving them.

[00:10:02] I mean, somebody's cost thirty thousand dollars.

[00:10:04] Mm hmm.

[00:10:05] What's the husband that was streamlining the party business?

[00:10:08] And so the husband was like, you know,

[00:10:12] making they was make money.

[00:10:14] Uh, there were some incidences where I don't know if you'll have to help correct me.

[00:10:21] There might have been some incidences where there was some animals chimps kind of

[00:10:29] being a little aggressive towards the kids.

[00:10:31] Yes.

[00:10:32] And they started getting black for their parties.

[00:10:36] So Connie said no more Chimp Party now as a chimp sanctuary.

[00:10:43] And if we know anything, anything Tiger King has taught us when they got the word

[00:10:51] sanctuary in it for these private individuals, it's not a sanctuary.

[00:10:56] So Connie had this huge.

[00:11:00] She built this big enclosure on her acres.

[00:11:03] She has like at one point, I think they said maybe over 47 chimps and she also

[00:11:07] was a breeder.

[00:11:08] So a lot of the animals or the chimpanzees that we see in movies,

[00:11:14] they came from Connie.

[00:11:16] Yeah, Connie had a very famous chip.

[00:11:19] Mind you, most of like I think 60 percent or 70 percent or 80 percent of all

[00:11:23] American chimps, 75 percent of the chimps in the other states she had.

[00:11:28] She had you got an American green card with the chimp that said happy birthday.

[00:11:34] Look what a back of that because if it said like Chimp Party or something.

[00:11:37] That was time is chimp.

[00:11:40] Then also we had a very famous

[00:11:43] chimp Tonka, who was in a lot of these movies.

[00:11:46] You remember any of the names of the movies that the chimp was in?

[00:11:49] Yes, he was in Babe.

[00:11:53] And then he was in Georgia of the Jungle.

[00:11:56] OK, so Tonka is a whole movie star at this point.

[00:12:01] And so now she has this sanctuary.

[00:12:04] The issue that Connie is going to get back to the Connie Joe Exotic.

[00:12:09] Thing because let's let's get back to back up a little bit.

[00:12:14] Because while we were doing Chimp Party, right?

[00:12:17] And the chimps are grabbing on the baby's legs.

[00:12:20] Oh, yeah.

[00:12:20] Oh, who is Joe?

[00:12:22] Joe is Connie's husband.

[00:12:26] OK, was he our first husband?

[00:12:29] So I don't know, first or second?

[00:12:32] Didn't OK, continue with the Joe story.

[00:12:35] We're going with Connie.

[00:12:36] I'm not talking about.

[00:12:39] I'm not talking about the Dolly Parton.

[00:12:41] OK, I'm talking about, yes, Joe and the chimp, Bo,

[00:12:47] that bit off his nose.

[00:12:48] Yes, clearly we see him with a disheveled nose.

[00:12:53] Yes. So this was Connie's first husband.

[00:12:55] Yeah, because.

[00:12:58] Bo, an older chimp, not so cute anymore,

[00:13:02] attacked her husband, bit his nose off to the point that Connie had to go

[00:13:06] back into the cage to get the nose.

[00:13:08] And then all of a sudden, couple of years later, two years later,

[00:13:12] he just dies and they won't say natural causes.

[00:13:14] The man was 38, 39 years old.

[00:13:17] What natural causes after you got your whole nose bit off?

[00:13:21] OK, so there's this huge thing in the chimpanzee world where.

[00:13:29] Especially with women

[00:13:31] that they want to like a specific culture to kind of look like Connie.

[00:13:36] They kind of look like not Connie.

[00:13:40] Tanya, when they want to raise these chimps,

[00:13:42] they want to treat them like babies.

[00:13:44] They're like forever babies.

[00:13:45] The issue that happens is after the first of all,

[00:13:48] the chimps live a lifespan of humans like they lived to be 50, 60 years old

[00:13:52] at that age about.

[00:13:55] Seven, eight, nine, six, their adults,

[00:13:59] they have adult strength and they're not meant to be kept in captivity.

[00:14:04] And so there are a lot of instances of these chimpanzees attacking humans,

[00:14:13] killing humans.

[00:14:16] That was a hard part for me.

[00:14:18] Yes.

[00:14:20] Now let's get to this lady that worked at

[00:14:23] Party U, not Party USA, not chimps for us, that the sanctuary like.

[00:14:28] The sanctuary.

[00:14:30] And you know, she worked there for a while.

[00:14:32] Now, mind you, I'm looking at her little.

[00:14:33] OK, well actually, let's also talk about this real quick.

[00:14:36] So they're making this documentary.

[00:14:38] Let's be clear.

[00:14:39] Connie wants no part of the documentary.

[00:14:44] Connie don't she don't want she they film her like, hey, Connie,

[00:14:49] she said, hey, I don't want to be on camera.

[00:14:51] OK, Connie wants no part.

[00:14:54] Now, Tanya, a different story.

[00:14:57] This is also the same director from Tiger King.

[00:15:02] Yes, Eric Good is the director of Tiger King.

[00:15:06] Now we all know Tiger King.

[00:15:08] We all know Joe Exotic is not running for president this election.

[00:15:13] OK, he is still in jail.

[00:15:17] We all know what happened with that

[00:15:19] because they were making this movie.

[00:15:22] The director of the Tiger King, what's his name?

[00:15:25] John Good, Eric Good.

[00:15:27] Eric Good.

[00:15:28] Eric has a reputation in the exotic animal realm.

[00:15:31] So they nobody wants to deal with him.

[00:15:34] Mm hmm.

[00:15:35] So Eric knows this and he hires a proxy director.

[00:15:41] This proxy director is someone that used Duane.

[00:15:46] Now I love Duane.

[00:15:48] I had no problem.

[00:15:49] I mean, I do.

[00:15:50] Duane is a part time clown and I'm not even trying to be funny.

[00:15:54] No, it's not part time.

[00:15:55] Listen, don't knock his credentials.

[00:15:57] I'm not graduated in the 25th class.

[00:16:01] I'm in the town college.

[00:16:03] OK, he went to school.

[00:16:05] Yes.

[00:16:06] He traveled with Ringley brothers for a very long time.

[00:16:09] So he is very closely knit with the exotic animal community

[00:16:13] because he was in the circus for a long time.

[00:16:15] He still does kids parties part time.

[00:16:19] He is very close into the exotic world.

[00:16:23] So they are hiring him to be this proxy director.

[00:16:27] So we won't see that the Tiger King director.

[00:16:29] We see this proxy director.

[00:16:30] Now, this is my first riff lag as to what I don't like about this documentary.

[00:16:34] Right? Like Joe Exotic wanted to be on film.

[00:16:40] Right? Joe Exotic was like Joe Exotic was his own worst enemy.

[00:16:43] He wanted to be the like, you know, he agreed to all of this.

[00:16:48] It was going to make him a star was going to make him bigger than life.

[00:16:51] All of that.

[00:16:52] What I don't like about this film is is that like it's this need for them

[00:16:57] to want to get close because it's like.

[00:16:59] Y'all making a documentary for what?

[00:17:01] Anybody with a right mind that saw Tiger King and if you're not

[00:17:06] the utmost, the utmost of the utmost of the utmost of the utmost.

[00:17:09] Why would you sign up to do this documentary?

[00:17:12] However, they put this proxy director in this like, hey, like, you know,

[00:17:16] I know the people, you know, like, I don't know.

[00:17:19] I just I don't like it for me.

[00:17:20] It's like when he said he had a relationship

[00:17:23] with the federal government when it came to exotic animals,

[00:17:26] they were like a little elusive with that.

[00:17:28] I'm like, I'm sure if he's worked for the circus, Peta,

[00:17:32] like they don't like the elephants in those things.

[00:17:36] They don't like the tiger.

[00:17:37] So I'm sure he has probably witnessed and seen a lot of cases or had to testify.

[00:17:42] But I just don't like the deception with this proxy director because I feel

[00:17:46] like it's like you're lying to this people because it like.

[00:17:50] So anyway, we'll get there.

[00:17:53] So just keep that in mind.

[00:17:55] OK, because the proxy director, I feel like he flips.

[00:17:58] And so we're getting all this content.

[00:18:00] Then this is one lady who used to work at the sanctuary.

[00:18:02] She really liked the way the older

[00:18:06] animals were being treated if you weren't young and cute, kind of like to society.

[00:18:10] If you're not young and cute, OK, like myself, when you get a little older,

[00:18:15] they don't want you no more.

[00:18:17] And then these animals were just sitting in cages all day.

[00:18:20] And so this lady called Peta Peta kind of launched this investigation.

[00:18:25] Angela Angela.

[00:18:26] OK, Sarah, like I'm coming with the facts.

[00:18:29] Angela.

[00:18:30] I know the names.

[00:18:31] OK, she blew the whistle.

[00:18:34] And so Peta now, you know, Peta doesn't like the chimpanzees being kept.

[00:18:40] If they don't like them being pets, they are like fearful.

[00:18:43] And so Peta launches this investigation to try to get the animals out of the shelter.

[00:18:50] Now, this is why I'm going to need your help because what I'm so confused

[00:18:54] about is during these cases with the sanctuary and Peta, why the hell is Tanya

[00:19:01] going to court for the sanctuary?

[00:19:04] Sarah, please fill me in.

[00:19:05] Oh, yes.

[00:19:07] So the case was like dragging out.

[00:19:10] And I think that Connie was just kind of getting tired.

[00:19:16] And so Tanya put herself in the front and was just like, I will take all the slack.

[00:19:22] Girl, I know.

[00:19:22] I know monkey is over to me.

[00:19:25] Sign the chimps to me and I'm going to take the slack.

[00:19:28] She thought that that was going to stop the lawsuit.

[00:19:31] But Peta was like, we'll just add you to the lawsuit again.

[00:19:38] Connie's not that dumb.

[00:19:40] And I feel like Connie kind of set Tanya up, but whatever.

[00:19:44] So they're going to court.

[00:19:46] She volunteered to be the fall person.

[00:19:48] I mean, I guess.

[00:19:50] She's going to court, which is just weird.

[00:19:52] Like it's not your sanctuary, girl, you just volunteered.

[00:19:56] And now like you're so invested.

[00:19:59] She goes to court.

[00:20:00] It's kind of like over the pandemic, they're going to court.

[00:20:05] They need to see this evidence.

[00:20:06] They need all of this stuff.

[00:20:08] And essentially, Peta wins

[00:20:11] at this time, Connie only has seven chimps at her facility.

[00:20:15] Peta wins all seven have to come out.

[00:20:18] We also know that Tanka is part of the seven as we are touring with the

[00:20:22] documentary, Tanka is kept by himself.

[00:20:25] They said that Tanka suffered a heart attack or has like a not.

[00:20:29] Yeah, right?

[00:20:30] He had a stroke.

[00:20:32] And so he does not behave like normal so he can't be with the other chimps.

[00:20:38] So Peta comes.

[00:20:42] Grab the other things they grab the animals at my time.

[00:20:46] You had to be court order to stay two miles off the property.

[00:20:52] Yeah, she was leaving the kids at eight o'clock the night before.

[00:20:55] OK, yeah, that's why she calls the kids.

[00:20:58] She calls the monkeys kids.

[00:21:00] Also, what is interesting about Tanya is that like when she is fighting

[00:21:03] this court case with Peta, she's like, I love these chimpanzees.

[00:21:08] I love them more than my own kids.

[00:21:10] I love them more than anything.

[00:21:11] Well, damn.

[00:21:12] Well, and guess what?

[00:21:14] We get to see Tanya's son in episode three.

[00:21:16] Now they get all the chimps.

[00:21:19] All of a sudden we are realizing Tanka is missing.

[00:21:23] Where is Tanka?

[00:21:26] Where is Tanka?

[00:21:28] OK, now this is where episode two gets good.

[00:21:32] Now all of a sudden.

[00:21:35] What is crazy, right, is because we are with Tanya the night before when

[00:21:41] she's saying goodbye to the animals and Peter's coming.

[00:21:44] And now the last happy meals, the last happy meals.

[00:21:48] Now Peter is calm.

[00:21:50] They can't find it now.

[00:21:51] Tanya says Tanka had a massive heart attack.

[00:21:57] And he had it at she came.

[00:22:00] She saw them because I'm trying to figure out girl if you came and saw them

[00:22:03] and he was laid out on the ground, how could that be?

[00:22:06] Because we saw you.

[00:22:09] With the camera crew.

[00:22:10] So when did all of this happen?

[00:22:12] She's all of it.

[00:22:14] It was laid out.

[00:22:15] She poked him.

[00:22:17] She threw some fries in there.

[00:22:20] He wasn't moving.

[00:22:22] She knew that he was gone.

[00:22:26] He was gone and what else to do but to cremate him immediately because

[00:22:32] Tanka's gone.

[00:22:35] Now Peter is like, where is Tanka?

[00:22:37] They take in Tanya to court.

[00:22:40] Tanya has to sit on a zoom in court.

[00:22:42] Tanya doesn't know how to mute her mouth, her mic because OK, that was a funny part.

[00:22:48] Tanya is in court.

[00:22:49] She's crying.

[00:22:50] I don't know what happened.

[00:22:53] They're like, OK, we don't know what's going on with Tanya.

[00:22:55] We're going to take a 10 minute recess.

[00:22:57] They're filming Tanya.

[00:22:58] Tanya's like, little prick.

[00:23:01] They're like, Tanya, your mic is still on.

[00:23:04] She's like, oh, OK, sorry.

[00:23:08] The last good man, the lawyer that she

[00:23:11] called in everything.

[00:23:13] He's a little bitch.

[00:23:15] OK, Tanya call him.

[00:23:19] And my job also feel like now why you calling him Pee Wee Herman?

[00:23:22] But you know why she's calling him Pee Wee Herman.

[00:23:25] OK, that's rude, Tanya.

[00:23:28] Now, this is the last three seconds of the second episode for me is that

[00:23:33] the judge comes back to just says, I don't believe anything that comes out of Tanya's

[00:23:37] mouth. She's a liar.

[00:23:39] But what you also cannot convince to me is that like,

[00:23:42] y'all haven't shown me proof that Tanka is alive.

[00:23:46] And so until y'all can show me proof that he's alive, like there's nothing more

[00:23:49] we could do, Tanya says, OK, Tanya answer computers.

[00:23:55] She like, yes, we won.

[00:23:57] We won. Now, mind you, Tanya got a husband.

[00:24:00] She hugging a husband.

[00:24:01] She talked about, yes, we won.

[00:24:04] If they can't prove he's alive, that we won.

[00:24:07] All we got to do is keep him hidden.

[00:24:08] Bitch, what?

[00:24:10] Yes, when she starts to walk down those stairs.

[00:24:13] Now, mind you, before we even go there,

[00:24:15] Samra, Peter is first of all, Peter has never searched her home.

[00:24:20] And she's violent.

[00:24:22] She volunteer for no, that was the other lady.

[00:24:24] OK, you get that episode three.

[00:24:27] They've no, she's going to go to our home and then Jared's like,

[00:24:31] she doesn't have an enclosure.

[00:24:32] We're not going to go into her home.

[00:24:33] Well, that's why they're saying so right.

[00:24:35] They you know, she doesn't have an enclosure.

[00:24:37] No, that's why because they never been to that new home.

[00:24:39] But you're right, like

[00:24:40] I ain't going where she live in that baby.

[00:24:43] She going down to the basement and what's in the basement, Sarah?

[00:24:47] Tanka in his Tanka.

[00:24:49] Now here. OK.

[00:24:51] Now immediately.

[00:24:53] This director by proxy, I'm like, you know what?

[00:24:56] Y'all is no, no.

[00:24:59] How are you all filming her go to court?

[00:25:02] And I don't care if you're like this is the first time that you're showing us

[00:25:06] that Tanka is alive, but then OK, episode three.

[00:25:10] First of all, we like how the hell did Tanya build this house?

[00:25:14] This like this multimillion dollar house with a monkey enclosure in the bottom

[00:25:18] of it. Well, guess what, Tanya's back into the brokerage brokerage

[00:25:24] brokerage brokering of exotic animals.

[00:25:27] OK, so she's not selling them.

[00:25:30] She is making the transactions happen and she's personally dropping these animals

[00:25:33] up. Well, first of all,

[00:25:35] am I in the wrong business because if all I got to do is like, OK, no.

[00:25:40] But I'm just so she has all this money

[00:25:42] in 175,000. Yes.

[00:25:44] Sign me up to be an animal broker.

[00:25:47] OK, she's building this house that has Tanka.

[00:25:51] Then we it reveals to us that cameras are telling us what time Tanya's

[00:25:55] elaborate plan of after the camera crew left, she went.

[00:25:59] She gave Tanka some sedatives, of course, her reasoning why she didn't want

[00:26:04] Tanka to go to the sanctuary.

[00:26:06] Other people say he couldn't make the trip down being.

[00:26:10] He couldn't make the trip down

[00:26:12] the dated because he's his health and he couldn't be in the sanctuary with these

[00:26:15] other people. But we got all this document.

[00:26:17] We got all this footage of Tanya and her husband.

[00:26:21] Oh, wait, can I just drop this?

[00:26:22] Because this was so funny.

[00:26:23] She had the first class residency for him tonight.

[00:26:29] OK, good old holiday and holiday and

[00:26:34] for the night less than a mile and a half from the thing.

[00:26:37] Now, mind you, they got the hotel footage of her husband hauling this huge

[00:26:42] container up. First of all, you know, I'm very familiar with the hotel world.

[00:26:47] That's a red flag.

[00:26:48] Well, all this child trafficking or all this stuff.

[00:26:51] If you saw something like that, y'all should call the police.

[00:26:55] Here's my question, you know, too, like, y'all know you have that big chest.

[00:26:59] Why are you not requesting a room on the first floor?

[00:27:02] On the first floor?

[00:27:03] Listen, Tanya is not all the way there.

[00:27:07] They are strong because they ain't those

[00:27:08] I mean, they're supposed to be like hundreds of pounds.

[00:27:11] You can't wear 10 pounds of synthetic hair on your head and not be strong.

[00:27:15] OK, so they put them up in the hotel for the night.

[00:27:19] Then we meet this other evil character.

[00:27:21] What's the evil? What's the evil character part two?

[00:27:23] I don't know that he's evil.

[00:27:25] He's quirky. We meet Psy.

[00:27:28] Psy in Ohio, Psy in Ohio, who already has

[00:27:33] who already has well, he had Ricky.

[00:27:38] Now, I'm talking girl, girl, let me finish what I'm about to say.

[00:27:41] Who already is no stranger to the law.

[00:27:46] OK, he like to buy stuff and he feels like the company that he works at,

[00:27:51] he could take the money from there, buy stuff.

[00:27:54] You're not a buyer buying hot tubs that you can't afford on the company down.

[00:27:58] And yeah, he's going to pay it back.

[00:28:01] But how you spent three hundred and forty thousand dollars anyway.

[00:28:05] So he is already wrapped up in a law.

[00:28:08] He has a sanctuary too.

[00:28:10] OK, watch these people with these sanctuaries.

[00:28:14] But his private sanctuary, his is not a nonprofit.

[00:28:18] Even more a red flag.

[00:28:22] And they let us know that we do not know where the money's coming from.

[00:28:25] He's got.

[00:28:26] Hello, that's the thing.

[00:28:27] When the sanctuaries are like open to the public, at least it's like,

[00:28:32] OK, the money is coming from the people coming in.

[00:28:34] How the hell are you make your money if it's private?

[00:28:36] But you got all these exotic animals.

[00:28:39] You had a monkey that recently died.

[00:28:41] I think the name of the monkey was Tony.

[00:28:43] It was Ricky Ricky, Ricky, sorry.

[00:28:46] So Tanya meets him and who does Tanya meet this character through?

[00:28:52] Our girl, the queen, the mob queen herself of the chimpanzees.

[00:28:58] What's my name?

[00:29:00] So Connie introduces Tanya to this

[00:29:03] character, who is like and they're like, so the producers are, you know,

[00:29:08] producing and they're like, so you weren't scared of the police and knowing that.

[00:29:12] No, I loved it.

[00:29:13] I am glad I want someone to do that for me.

[00:29:17] OK, you want somebody to break the law with you?

[00:29:19] Sir, you're going to jail.

[00:29:21] Right. Bring these cameras in.

[00:29:22] Come on, come see what I'm doing.

[00:29:24] Come see what I'm doing.

[00:29:26] So this elaborate plan of then driving him across the country with the cork

[00:29:32] is out.

[00:29:33] His dead chimpanzee, they dig up.

[00:29:37] They put his body in the back of the trailer because when they get to Florida,

[00:29:41] the Tammie's new house that's ready, they're going to burn his ashes so that

[00:29:46] she says they have the ashes.

[00:29:51] Child, when I tell you,

[00:29:53] what else he said it has no head because I kept the head.

[00:29:58] So she's got the remains of a headless Ricky in the back.

[00:30:02] Going across state lines with a fugitive chimpanzee.

[00:30:07] Now, Peter, no, the chimp is still alive.

[00:30:12] They just don't know where.

[00:30:13] So Peter is like that.

[00:30:14] We're not playing with Tanya.

[00:30:16] They put ten thousand dollars, anybody with any information to find this chimp.

[00:30:23] We go on. We're going to pay you the money.

[00:30:24] So the pressure is on.

[00:30:26] When we bring an Allen in which one is Allen?

[00:30:29] Allen is the actor that acted in the movie.

[00:30:33] Because I don't even like that.

[00:30:35] So Allen says he matches Peter and drops another ten thousand.

[00:30:42] So now it's twenty thousand dollars.

[00:30:44] He has a personal relationship with Tonka because he was in one of the movies

[00:30:48] with Tonka, even though chimpanzees can't be in movies anymore.

[00:30:51] So, you know, and that movie was in like 2004.

[00:30:53] But OK, now he had to change your heart now.

[00:30:55] He, you know, for the rights of the animals.

[00:30:57] But I'm fine with that.

[00:30:58] But I just also feel like I don't know something about Allen.

[00:31:02] I won't know. So anyway, Tanya got to chimp her basement.

[00:31:07] She can't really do much because she has a chimp in her basement.

[00:31:11] We meet her son.

[00:31:15] Well, we can we back up a little bit too to talk about the ashes?

[00:31:18] Because before we get to Ricky, because this was what I was a little bit

[00:31:20] confused about.

[00:31:22] So Tanya's husband, remember, he writes that letter

[00:31:26] to talk about that Tonka had died and that they had.

[00:31:33] Burned him in the backyard and they get the degrees wrong.

[00:31:37] So then Peter has like this whole thing like you can't burn a chimp on

[00:31:42] 145 degrees, you can't even cook anything in your oven at 145 degrees.

[00:31:47] OK, girl, I don't I'm not eating at Tanya's house.

[00:31:49] OK, because that chicken is not done.

[00:31:52] So then like she's like pulling up that brown dirt and look at the consistency.

[00:31:57] My question is like, was that Ricky at that point or what was it?

[00:32:03] I think that was Ricky.

[00:32:04] I believe that they probably had Ricky professionally cremated.

[00:32:07] But their story was they just burnt Tonka in a fire, which again.

[00:32:13] A degree fire, 145 degrees, girl, you're not making sense.

[00:32:18] We meet Tanya's son who looks exactly like we would imagine Tanya's son to look

[00:32:22] like he's got a vape, he's smoking a vape.

[00:32:25] He's very much like my mom loves to chimp more than me.

[00:32:28] Yeah, she's even said it.

[00:32:30] But you see the joy in her face.

[00:32:34] You can't be mad.

[00:32:35] I wish, first of all, I already have a mother

[00:32:39] that has a dog that I already have a little issues with.

[00:32:43] I love me some sunshine, but I, you know,

[00:32:45] your child and neither right.

[00:32:49] So I understand that.

[00:32:51] One thing my mom don't play about her kids.

[00:32:53] So my mom would never go on no TV show and talk about I love

[00:32:56] sunshine more than my own kids because let's just clear, I'm the favorite child.

[00:33:00] Period.

[00:33:00] And when you're in the courtroom and you need to get those tears out,

[00:33:04] you need to let it be known that nothing comes before these kids.

[00:33:08] And by kids, we need the chimps.

[00:33:11] So biological kids, the kids, the kids.

[00:33:15] The kids is chimps.

[00:33:17] So a girl also HBO with Shady.

[00:33:20] So the proxy director, Allen.

[00:33:24] Dwayne Dwayne

[00:33:26] is doing a Saturday side job as a clown at a very dry kids party.

[00:33:32] Now, mind you, we don't know why we're seeing a clown, right?

[00:33:36] We're thinking maybe we're going to see another backstory of a back story.

[00:33:40] Can we talk about how he was drinking at the kids party before he takes that call?

[00:33:44] Listen, that was definitely a beer.

[00:33:47] Listen, the clown got to get his magic.

[00:33:49] So we're thinking we're about to see another backstory.

[00:33:53] But ring at the right back kids.

[00:33:58] Dwayne takes the call.

[00:34:00] It's the it's the goddamn proxy director.

[00:34:04] Why are you filming him at a kid's party in a clown suit?

[00:34:09] Anybody.

[00:34:10] He is talking to one of his lawyer friends, essentially like, what are we like?

[00:34:19] What's time is option?

[00:34:20] Because I feel like Dwayne has turned.

[00:34:21] I don't care what nobody says.

[00:34:22] What's time is options?

[00:34:24] And they're like, well,

[00:34:26] if Tonka stays hidden and they don't know she has them, she's fine.

[00:34:29] If Tonka were to die, there is no chimpanzee.

[00:34:36] What's the problem?

[00:34:37] So they're kind of sort of foreshadowing.

[00:34:38] Then we also in this last episode, they show us this clip of this other lady

[00:34:43] who kept animals or who kept chimpanzees.

[00:34:46] Now I can't remember her name, but when I tell you she's a cold stone, cold killer.

[00:34:50] She kept one chimpanzee.

[00:34:53] She kept one chimpanzee.

[00:34:56] But I'm a majority in my camera.

[00:34:59] Listen, I would not want to be Tamara's neighbor because Tamara said

[00:35:03] I would kill their grandmothers, their uncles, their children, children.

[00:35:07] And after they're dead, then I get angry.

[00:35:13] So you're telling her story about Buck.

[00:35:17] You go on that side of the street, Tamara.

[00:35:19] And I'm going to say on that side of the town because I don't want to be

[00:35:22] nowhere near you. Essentially, Tamara had another sanctuary.

[00:35:28] The bottom line of Tamara's story is that Peter was focusing in on her as

[00:35:32] well. She had this chimpanzee that she was girl walked around the town.

[00:35:37] No, yeah. She didn't have a sanctuary.

[00:35:39] They were coming out here because she was letting him live in her house.

[00:35:42] Girl, she go get a burger.

[00:35:44] She said the monkey down.

[00:35:46] The monkey get a burger.

[00:35:47] The monkey pumping her gas.

[00:35:49] The monkey walking around the community.

[00:35:51] The community loved the monkey.

[00:35:52] The monkey is living in her home and not in an enclosure.

[00:35:57] And that's what Peter had a red flag about.

[00:36:01] Because she posted him online selfies, me and me and boo today.

[00:36:05] OK.

[00:36:06] OK, putting it for her Facebook friends and Peter got attention.

[00:36:10] Peter got wind of that and Peter was like,

[00:36:12] well, we can't say that she's mistreating the monkey, but like you can't.

[00:36:15] The monkey is sleeping in her bed.

[00:36:17] Right.

[00:36:18] So Peter was coming after her.

[00:36:20] Tamara thought like, oh, OK, I'm a beach

[00:36:22] to the punch. Well, I love first of all, after hearing Tamara say what she

[00:36:26] would say, she would do to somebody.

[00:36:28] She invited them to their home.

[00:36:30] I'm not coming to your house, Tamara.

[00:36:31] But she invited Peter to come to the house and say, listen,

[00:36:33] come see, come see how this monkey live.

[00:36:36] Come see how understanding her and Buck were on the first floor.

[00:36:42] So her. Yes.

[00:36:43] But I'm going to invite the daughter in and then so.

[00:36:47] But the second floor.

[00:36:48] No, Buck is in closure where he slept and stuff was downstairs.

[00:36:55] But he also had free range of the house upstairs.

[00:36:58] So the daughter, she wanted her son to come move in the son, they want to

[00:37:01] come in, she moved the daughter in.

[00:37:03] But I guess maybe the daughter took the room downstairs that I think that like

[00:37:08] buck free, he lived in his house, Frank used to sleep there.

[00:37:12] But now Buck sleeps with the mother.

[00:37:15] And so the protocol was like any time the mom would leave, you need to make

[00:37:18] sure you shut the basement door, the front door and the door to the bedroom.

[00:37:22] Well, the daughter got there and the mom left.

[00:37:25] They didn't follow protocol.

[00:37:27] Mm hmm.

[00:37:29] This is what I have all the time watching.

[00:37:31] Well, right. Well, all in the meanwhile, this all happens.

[00:37:34] So Peter's after her now because they're like, we want to get this monkey from her.

[00:37:37] So she invites Peter to come to the home.

[00:37:39] But then she's like, oh, wait, I need more time.

[00:37:41] And she keeps saying she needs more time knowing that Peter is like, OK,

[00:37:45] well, we're going to be taking action.

[00:37:46] In the meantime, she gets her daughter to come stay with her.

[00:37:50] They don't follow protocol.

[00:37:51] They don't lock the doors.

[00:37:53] Boom.

[00:37:54] The chimp mauls the daughter.

[00:37:58] In bed, there's in bed.

[00:38:00] Chim said bloody everywhere.

[00:38:02] She comes home, Tamara comes home.

[00:38:04] Oh my God, like they're clearly going to take the animal now.

[00:38:09] And so Tanya or Tamara calls the police.

[00:38:13] Now, first of all,

[00:38:14] if I see anybody like that, I'm like,

[00:38:17] you are some cool and collected.

[00:38:21] Hello, 911.

[00:38:23] My daughter just got a text.

[00:38:26] I need for you to send active shooters out to my home.

[00:38:29] My job, my monkey needs to be shot.

[00:38:32] My daughter headshots only.

[00:38:35] It needs to be put down.

[00:38:40] OK, the daughter is in the basement mauled up.

[00:38:46] Tamara and the monkey are upstairs chilling.

[00:38:49] The police.

[00:38:50] We see the police footage camera of the police body cams and they're like,

[00:38:54] we're going to be engaging with the chimp.

[00:38:55] They come around.

[00:38:57] They're like, we spotted the chimp.

[00:38:58] Like, is there someone else in there?

[00:39:01] Tamara's like, yeah, it's me.

[00:39:03] Shoot them in the head.

[00:39:06] And you know, when animals like they have like and so they shoot

[00:39:10] that the rest in peace, the the chimpanzee and they haven't killed it.

[00:39:15] Fuck in the head.

[00:39:16] And essentially.

[00:39:18] Tamara's case goes away.

[00:39:19] She's no longer facing all these things.

[00:39:22] Now, let's get back to Tanya.

[00:39:25] Because now Tanya is on the phone with the proxy director and Tanya is saying,

[00:39:30] hey, Dwayne, Tanka took a talk.

[00:39:34] We also see since Alan, the child actor, two thousand twenty thousand dollars.

[00:39:39] People are now showing up to Tanya's property looking around.

[00:39:43] People are like, you know, Tanya's life is getting enclosed.

[00:39:46] First of all, girl, who you buying a 20 happy meals for?

[00:39:49] Yeah, she can't trust the people around her because the people around her

[00:39:52] don't have much and 20 thousand is enticing.

[00:39:54] So she is like looking over her shoulder.

[00:39:57] She's getting a little scary.

[00:39:59] And so she tells Dwayne this.

[00:40:00] We see one conversation where she's just like, I'm screwed.

[00:40:03] Like there's no way out for me.

[00:40:04] Then the next time she talks to Dwayne.

[00:40:06] She just left the vet.

[00:40:08] She just left the vet.

[00:40:10] Tanka is in congestive heart failure, which she does say throughout

[00:40:13] the like the three episodes they do like we do see stuff.

[00:40:17] But again, Dwayne ain't no vet and I know that.

[00:40:19] And so essentially she's saying they wanted to put Tanka down today.

[00:40:23] Tell me what I have a problem with.

[00:40:25] And I said this to you before, if the monkey is in congestive heart failure.

[00:40:30] Girl, can we stop with the happy meals?

[00:40:33] You had them pull the paper out of the thing and it's a sonic burger.

[00:40:38] Walsh's.

[00:40:39] Fruit snacks like this time could get more snacks and junk than a little bit.

[00:40:45] Right. Girl, where's the healthy diet?

[00:40:47] Girl, how about the exercise?

[00:40:48] How about like, you know, maybe he does need to be at a real sanctuary getting

[00:40:52] exercise. She said that wanted to put him down.

[00:40:56] She couldn't do it.

[00:40:57] And this is where I feel like Tanya's her worst enemy.

[00:40:59] However, he's going to do it in a week.

[00:41:02] June 2nd.

[00:41:03] June 2nd. Maybe Dwayne, you bring the cameras.

[00:41:07] Maybe figure, figure, figure, you might want to get it, Dwayne.

[00:41:12] So that car ends.

[00:41:15] Dwayne is like, yeah.

[00:41:17] The production people come behind the camera and say, is she going to kill Tonka?

[00:41:22] And this is where I feel like Dwayne kind of has switched a little bit because

[00:41:25] the way he's like, well, Tonka is sick.

[00:41:28] You know, he is.

[00:41:28] And they're like, are you a vet?

[00:41:30] And Dwayne's like, well, I mean,

[00:41:32] I'm not a vet, but we also had these talks too.

[00:41:36] Right. Like when they first learn talk, when they learn taco was with her,

[00:41:40] they're filming her for months.

[00:41:41] So then we see Eric Goodman being like, what should we do?

[00:41:46] Like we know she has this.

[00:41:47] Right. She's not supposed to have.

[00:41:49] And they're like, well, well,

[00:41:52] we want her to lead us to the bigger people.

[00:41:55] No, y'all don't.

[00:41:56] And this is again why I don't like Dwayne or why I don't like Eric Good.

[00:41:59] Y'all just want the Dargon story.

[00:42:02] Y'all should have turned her into the police the moment you felt that she had Tonka.

[00:42:07] Mm hmm.

[00:42:08] So now that they know that she's about to put him down,

[00:42:12] now all of a sudden we see a video where Eric Goodman, the real director,

[00:42:17] with the Peter attorney playing the videotape or playing the call recording.

[00:42:23] And the Peter attorney is like, this is what we've been looking.

[00:42:26] First of all, he's looking at him like, this is what we've been waiting for.

[00:42:29] OK, like we know she was alive and we know y'all was in it.

[00:42:33] And he's like, yeah, we're going to use this to the maximum extent.

[00:42:38] And Eric's like, well, should we talk off the record?

[00:42:41] Peter director is like, yes, let's talk off the record.

[00:42:45] And that's how you're going to be rated.

[00:42:49] And yeah, I just see a.

[00:42:53] Tanya screwed and this is just my take.

[00:42:57] The production company, whatever charges come around for her,

[00:43:00] they need to give them to the production.

[00:43:03] What did they say she's getting at least five years for perjury?

[00:43:05] At least five years for perjury.

[00:43:07] And that's all they really said.

[00:43:09] But for me, it's like you had to you kidnapped the chimpanzee across state lines

[00:43:13] like you lie or like, yeah, it's a mess.

[00:43:16] But I'm a hook.

[00:43:19] OK, they didn't pull me in.

[00:43:21] The first two episodes weren't really like, but it's good.

[00:43:25] I'd love to know what your thoughts on it.

[00:43:27] Let me know if we miss anything out.

[00:43:29] Yeah, thank you so much, Sarah, for coming on and talking with us.

[00:43:34] It's the first episode.

[00:43:35] I think it might be only five episodes to this documentary series.

[00:43:38] So if there is five, we will come back and record the last two.

[00:43:41] But before we go, Sarah, where can people follow you at?

[00:43:43] They want to recommend some documentaries.

[00:43:45] Sarah is a true crime lover.

[00:43:47] So if you've got anything for Sarah, where can they follow you as Sarah?

[00:43:49] I'm not a big social media girl, but I am on Instagram.

[00:43:54] D.A. one and only Sarah, the number one had that.

[00:43:59] And that's about media.

[00:44:01] I do.

[00:44:03] OK, quite all right.

[00:44:05] Well, thank you so much for listening.

[00:44:06] Let us know your thoughts in the comments and we will be back soon with part two.

[00:44:10] Where is Tonka?

[00:44:11] See you.