Yam Yam Arocho Recaps Survivor 47 Ep 13

Today, Rob is joined by Survivor 44 winner, Yam Yam, to discuss episode 13.

[00:00:00] Brauchen wir wirklich noch einen Computer? Alle wahrscheinlich nicht. Aber wenn du Musik mit der Power eines Neuralprozessors neu erfindest oder unterwegs Migrationsmuster mit einem ganztägigen Akku analysierst oder deine Ideen mit dem KI-gesteuerten Co-Creator zum Leben erwächst, dann kann ein Co-Pilot Plus PC einen Unterschied machen. Nicht alle brauchen einen leistungsstärkeren KI-Computer. Aber wenn du versuchst, die Welt zu verändern, auch wenn es nur deine eigene ist, haben wir einen für dich entwickelt. Microsoft Co-Pilot Plus PC mit Snapdragon. Die bisher schnellsten und intelligentesten Windows-PCs. Die Akkulaufzeit variiert je nach Nutzung und Einstellungen.

[00:00:38] Coming to you live from my apartment, it's RobHasApodcast.com, and now here's the guy who's ready to recap a part one of the Survivor finale. Here we go. I'm Rob Sestronino and I am so thrilled to be here live tonight with an honest to goodness Survivor winner, so excited, from Survivor 44. Jam Jam is here. Jam Jam, how are you?

[00:01:06] Oh my god, I'm so excited, I'm so happy. This is the first podcast I've done this year and I'm sorry for everybody I've let down for not like logging into anybody else's, but I'm ready.

[00:01:19] Yes. I'm ready to talk about Survivor 47.

[00:01:21] Jam Jam Jam is here. If you're watching the video, okay, that Jam Jam has such a fancy iPad that it just does like extreme close-ups back and forth. It's like that there's a cameraman in his apartment or his house filming him.

[00:01:36] And so lots of motion going on from Jam Jam is following his every movement.

[00:01:45] It's a trippy camera. I don't know. I don't know who turned it on, but I think I have many good ideas I can employ with it.

[00:01:54] So after I'm done with this podcast, I think I'm going to use the first podcast.

[00:01:58] Nobody's going to get bored. People are going to be following you all over. Jam Jam, how are you?

[00:02:03] I'm doing good. I'm doing good. You know, I've been chilling out this season. I've been watching from afar, you know, and I've been enjoying life.

[00:02:12] Lots of work at their salon, just focusing in life, focusing on my family, focusing on my mother, my husband, my cat, you know.

[00:02:19] I've been fixing the house around a little bit, just trying to like gain my, you know, my joy to be like back home, you know, and it's fun.

[00:02:30] I love it. I mean, I've been traveling, but not as much as before.

[00:02:33] It's such a whirlwind after you do the show and that everybody eventually like needs some time to like have like, okay, this is like, okay, I need to get back to normal a little bit.

[00:02:43] Yes. Yes. Because it's a lot. I mean, when you do Survivor, you wait for it to air and you're dealing with it and then it's airing and then everything comes out.

[00:02:53] And then you start like enjoying, you know, just being part of it because I've been a fan since 2000.

[00:02:59] So it's, you know, I was ready for it and I'm still ready and I'm still liking it.

[00:03:02] But now I'm finding like when it's better for me, when it's not, when I'm needed, when I'm not needed, where I want to be, who I want to talk to, what I want to watch.

[00:03:12] Maybe I'm not watching live every day, but I would sure watch the episodes, but you know, just be more relaxed and save the energy for this, for you, Rob.

[00:03:21] For Rob as a podcast, we know it's Survivor.com.

[00:03:24] We know. Thank you so much for the plug, Jam Jam.

[00:03:27] And so let's talk about this. We got a two hour, first off, two hour, part one of the finale.

[00:03:35] Crazy. It's like back in the day, like I think at the end of it, we got the same amount of contestants as we got like on classic Survivor.

[00:03:43] Yes. Starting with the final four. I mean, we haven't had started the Survivor finale with the final four since I can't even remember when.

[00:03:52] Me either. I was going to ask Chad GPT, but I didn't.

[00:03:54] I would say, you know, I will go back and I will say going out on a limb since Survivor Cagian, I will say.

[00:04:02] First time that we go into the finale with just four people.

[00:04:07] And I think it's way easier to digest the contestants this way, because, for example, I can only like I obviously would talk about 44 since that's my season.

[00:04:16] But there were a lot of good contestants, especially like Jamie and Lauren, six and five, that because they were like all mesh into our episodes and stuff like their story just was not maybe as tall as much as the other contestants.

[00:04:31] But the fact that they're like taking this break and splitting it apart gives the chances for people to have their moment, which is amazing.

[00:04:38] Yeah. So I like that the way that they did this sets up an interesting finale in terms of it looks like, you know, can anybody stop?

[00:04:47] Rachel was not expecting Sam to still be here. And we'll talk about what that looks like later on.

[00:04:54] But let's let's get into this. And, you know, I'm you know, you have not talked about the show at all this season.

[00:05:01] We've seen this whole journey for Andy, which ends tonight.

[00:05:05] And what a great exit interview podcast we'll have tomorrow.

[00:05:09] Andy and Genevieve on the exit interview.

[00:05:12] Two great ones. Very much looking forward to that.

[00:05:16] So be on the lookout for that coming up tomorrow.

[00:05:18] Then Survivor Know-It-All's at 3 p.m. with Steven.

[00:05:21] So what do you think about this journey for Andy?

[00:05:26] Oh, my God. First of all, I remember watching Andy's on the preview coming out.

[00:05:31] And I remember hanging out on the Boston Wendell and Bryce episode when Franny Govoted out at the party with us.

[00:05:37] I was so excited for him. I was like, oh, my God, I remember this guy.

[00:05:41] Blah, blah, blah. Right.

[00:05:42] And then watching the first episode, he breaking down when I first saw him this Halloween.

[00:05:47] I was like, dude, I wanted to smack you across the face.

[00:05:51] I was like, no way.

[00:05:52] And he was like, well, have you liked me so far going forward?

[00:05:55] I was like, well, I love the way you've grown.

[00:05:57] But since that moment here, he definitely had at least leave an impact on the game and like has been able to become a love player.

[00:06:06] At least by me, I like him a lot.

[00:06:09] And now I see why people were like, I think Andy's going to win.

[00:06:12] I think Andy's going to win.

[00:06:14] I think because his story and his art and his flipping back and forth was amazing and a lot of fun to watch.

[00:06:21] Definitely.

[00:06:22] Yeah. And it was a lot of fun to watch.

[00:06:23] And he went through this journey and it seemed like that for a very long time, you know, and he worked to correct it.

[00:06:28] I wonder, do you think he overcorrected that?

[00:06:32] It certainly maybe revealed too much to Rachel.

[00:06:34] But it was like the people didn't take him seriously, but he was like very quietly building this like speech that he was going to give at the final travel council of all the things that he had done.

[00:06:46] And then he sat down with Rachel and I think he just he gave too much away.

[00:06:53] That's his demise.

[00:06:54] A hundred percent.

[00:06:56] And the fact that he got captured the way to capture and the way like Rachel reacted to it.

[00:07:02] I was like, dude, that was your mistake.

[00:07:05] And I know he's probably back at home since he came back thinking about it because I know Rachel told him at some point.

[00:07:11] Yeah.

[00:07:11] That moment knew I was going to get you voted out because was he playing too hard?

[00:07:17] Was he flipping too much?

[00:07:19] You don't know until you're there.

[00:07:21] Right.

[00:07:21] You don't know what you have to do.

[00:07:22] You don't know how you don't.

[00:07:24] Could he have played a more neutral game and got in as far?

[00:07:27] Probably.

[00:07:27] Yes.

[00:07:28] But it wouldn't have been as much fun for him or for us.

[00:07:31] But he was definitely doing amazing.

[00:07:34] And he showed his car to the person.

[00:07:36] He shouldn't have done that.

[00:07:38] You don't talk about how you're amazing.

[00:07:39] If you do anything on Survivor while you're on the island, it's like make your threat level low because you don't know what anybody has at any point.

[00:07:47] So just like believe anybody can get you out.

[00:07:50] And the fact that he was so confident was his demise.

[00:07:53] And I guess we're going to listen to it tomorrow morning.

[00:07:56] Yeah.

[00:07:57] We'll hear what he has to say.

[00:07:58] So, Jem Jem, I know that Andy is also a big, big brother fan.

[00:08:01] And I feel like you see this on Big Brother where it's like it's eviction night.

[00:08:06] A person is going home.

[00:08:08] And then you'll see like a player will say, OK, you're going to the jury house.

[00:08:13] Let me explain to you my game because I'm not going to get the chance to talk to you on finale night.

[00:08:18] And I kind of feel like that that's what Andy was going for there.

[00:08:21] But this isn't Big Brother that things can still change.

[00:08:25] Like in Big Brother, OK, one of those two people is going home no matter what.

[00:08:29] It can't switch at the last second.

[00:08:31] Exactly.

[00:08:32] I mean, like in Big Brother, you know, if it's not you on the blog, you're not going home.

[00:08:36] And on Big Brother, the communication you have with the final two is very limited to whatever questions amounts they can have.

[00:08:43] And those many minutes they have at the finale because it's live.

[00:08:46] But on Survivor, you have as much time as you want to explain your story.

[00:08:50] So he would have definitely had that moment to explain.

[00:08:53] Even if Rachel was at the other side and it wasn't still the final three, he could have said his story before that.

[00:08:59] Yeah.

[00:09:00] I don't know.

[00:09:00] No.

[00:09:01] Jam Jam, in your winning game, did you ever do something like this where you were like wanting to like plant the seed with somebody who was going to the jury about something that you were doing in the game?

[00:09:15] Anything that I was doing that it was a plus for me, I was saying just to the camera and to the producers.

[00:09:22] I was not telling them, oh, my God, I'm angel double what, double what, double zero.

[00:09:28] Or like I wasn't like doing like double agent or I was like, if you write my name, I'll vote you out.

[00:09:35] Like I was not doing none of that.

[00:09:37] I was just like going with the flow.

[00:09:38] So my whole thing was like, this is what the idea I want to happen.

[00:09:42] Let me see how can I make it work.

[00:09:44] And Rachel said this in one of the episodes.

[00:09:46] She said, like, I don't want to be the captain of the boat.

[00:09:48] I want to be the ocean, which is like her way of leading the boat.

[00:09:52] And that's that's that's how you do it.

[00:09:55] You don't have to tell people I am the number one, you know, just have to like guide the ideas.

[00:10:02] Yeah.

[00:10:02] And of course, in my season, I had other people that were also guiding ideas, but you can always shift into what benefited you.

[00:10:09] And that's what Andy was doing.

[00:10:10] Like he would also like shift.

[00:10:12] He was creating a lot of stuff, but he could know who to do it with until he just said everything to Rachel.

[00:10:18] And I was like, we saw last week with Operation Italy that it was a vote split gone wrong.

[00:10:26] But this week at the final six, that wouldn't have been a reasonable thing for the people, the four people that got blindsided by Rachel's idol to potentially split the votes on Rachel and Sue.

[00:10:43] Is that crazy talk?

[00:10:44] Is that asking too much from Genevieve, Andy, Teenie and Sam?

[00:10:52] The only reason and I think it was a missed opportunity on the big group.

[00:10:59] Was one of them not saying just in case one of these two have an idol, let me throw a vote on somebody else just in case it backfire back to me.

[00:11:09] Because if you know five people are voting Rachel's way, then.

[00:11:16] Why don't take a chance on like throwing a vote just in case, because, you know, that's not going to affect you.

[00:11:21] So, yeah, I think it was a missed opportunity and it was like too cocky of them to do it.

[00:11:27] But after the fact, knowing that Sue and Rachel voted together, it would have been like a two to two vote.

[00:11:34] But just the lack that nobody did it just in case.

[00:11:38] Yeah.

[00:11:39] I think it was a bad move up the other four.

[00:11:40] Because don't you have to be saying like, what are the chances that there's been no idol here in the post merge?

[00:11:46] Like, because I mean, okay, Teenie thinks, okay, that, well, Genevieve has the idol.

[00:11:50] But Genevieve, Sam and Andy know that Genevieve doesn't have the idol.

[00:11:56] Yeah.

[00:11:58] Yeah.

[00:11:59] Whatever that you said.

[00:12:00] No.

[00:12:00] Yeah, of course.

[00:12:01] But they're too cocky.

[00:12:03] Yeah.

[00:12:03] I think, I think, I mean, obviously we're watching from the other side.

[00:12:07] Two to one with a block of votes.

[00:12:08] Okay.

[00:12:08] Teenie, Teenie would have.

[00:12:11] Oh, yeah, that's right.

[00:12:11] There were five.

[00:12:12] But Teenie should have been the one saying, but she's, the way her story's being told, the way she's talking about it, she's too trustworthy.

[00:12:19] But I think if anybody should have done that, it would have been her.

[00:12:24] But we're going to do, call Teenie back in time and tell her, girl, like, boy, like, I don't know what to say.

[00:12:30] Yeah.

[00:12:31] But Teenie, just vote, one vote out, like, do something fun, like, do it for your fans.

[00:12:36] We love you, Teenie.

[00:12:38] Yeah.

[00:12:39] It was another tough night for Teenie.

[00:12:43] Another tough night for Teenie.

[00:12:45] Lots of emotion.

[00:12:47] Teenie's been going through, like, this emotional path, which is, like, so amazing to watch.

[00:12:51] So brave.

[00:12:53] Everything.

[00:12:54] But another time, Teenie's been disappointed by the fact that the people that Teenie puts the trust in are, like, leaving Teenie out of it.

[00:13:05] And it's like, what's going on?

[00:13:07] You know?

[00:13:07] But it's that kind of game where you're in it and you become so attached to people.

[00:13:13] And it doesn't matter how many people you have back in the world, your job or whatever you're doing.

[00:13:18] That's your reality.

[00:13:19] Those five people, those six peoples are everything that you want and you need and you trust in.

[00:13:26] And yeah.

[00:13:27] But Teenie's still there.

[00:13:29] Let's see what happens.

[00:13:29] Teenie's.

[00:13:29] Hey, good news for Teenie.

[00:13:31] Teenie's headed to the final three.

[00:13:33] Great news for you, Teenie.

[00:13:36] Teenie's going to part two.

[00:13:37] Teenie is going to the final three.

[00:13:39] I see no scenario in the world where I guess maybe they bring Sue to the final three.

[00:13:47] And then but I think it's I think Sue and Teenie are going to the final three.

[00:13:52] I think out of the two of them, since they are the ones that have like less moves, those

[00:14:01] will be like the ones with the most gold characteristics.

[00:14:06] But.

[00:14:08] Well, you don't know.

[00:14:09] I've been saying for a while that that Teenie and Sue are locks for the final three, that

[00:14:14] one of that somebody out of Andy, Rachel, Genevieve or Sam, one of them was going to run

[00:14:22] away with this thing against Sue and Teenie.

[00:14:27] Well, the thing is that.

[00:14:30] Yeah.

[00:14:31] I can see it in Andy, Sam and Rachel because I can only relate to three people working together

[00:14:37] in like weird ways, but I don't know.

[00:14:45] I relate to Teenie.

[00:14:47] I relate to Teenie and I.

[00:14:48] What do you relate to?

[00:14:51] And, you know, the way you trust people and the way you like approach like the characteristic

[00:14:55] like of love and like socializing with people and stuff like that.

[00:15:00] And, you know, being part of the queer community and that that's obviously amazing.

[00:15:05] But.

[00:15:06] But not as players.

[00:15:07] You don't relate to Teenie.

[00:15:10] Well.

[00:15:11] I don't know if after playing the game, I'm becoming too much of like an idealistic of

[00:15:17] like I'm rooting for you.

[00:15:18] Doesn't matter what.

[00:15:20] Oh, my God.

[00:15:21] I see wrong in your moves.

[00:15:23] Yeah.

[00:15:24] I understand.

[00:15:25] I answer your question.

[00:15:28] But I'm going to keep it like that.

[00:15:29] OK.

[00:15:30] Keep it cute.

[00:15:31] OK.

[00:15:31] All right.

[00:15:32] So let's talk a little bit about Rachel and Rachel has really, you know, turned it on

[00:15:40] here over these last couple of weeks.

[00:15:43] What have you thought about the emergence of Rachel as you've watched the season play out?

[00:15:49] I think starting where she started that it was like bad or like not working out.

[00:15:56] I think it's been amazing, especially with all her like wins and advantages and all the

[00:16:02] earth times.

[00:16:03] And she's getting I see like I thought it was crazy that I was watching everything.

[00:16:11] But then like the contestant were saying like, oh, she's she's going to win.

[00:16:14] She's going to win.

[00:16:15] She's going to win.

[00:16:15] She's winning.

[00:16:16] But if you see someone doing everything she's doing, of course, you're going to think she's

[00:16:19] going to win.

[00:16:20] Who else?

[00:16:20] Like you see like Genevieve and her and having the banter back and forth and having like this

[00:16:25] is either you or me is going to win.

[00:16:27] If we're not there, who is going to win?

[00:16:28] Who do you think is going to win?

[00:16:30] It's going to be.

[00:16:30] Oh, it must be Sam with the two of us are not there.

[00:16:33] Like it's fun and it's it's cool to see.

[00:16:36] I was rooted for women.

[00:16:39] So it's cool to see Rachel being like, you know, the glasses, putting her rice in the

[00:16:44] pocket and just going for it and going hard.

[00:16:47] And I heard she's like a poker player and she's like amazing.

[00:16:50] And she knows a lot of people.

[00:16:51] I didn't know this until I went to Orlando last week and people show me pictures of her

[00:16:55] playing poker with other players.

[00:16:57] I was like, what?

[00:16:58] Yeah.

[00:16:59] Yeah.

[00:16:59] No, she's in.

[00:17:00] She I think that she's just very sharp, very shrewd.

[00:17:05] Yeah.

[00:17:05] She's, you know, very good at like being under the radar.

[00:17:08] She really had sort of like a quiet pre-merge with the exception of when she tried

[00:17:13] to steal the rice.

[00:17:15] But then really, you know, and then she has the close call.

[00:17:18] She almost goes home right at the merge.

[00:17:21] But she's really these last couple of weeks has just really emerged and has taken over

[00:17:27] the mantle of being the challenge beast that she's won three out of the four last immunity

[00:17:33] challenges.

[00:17:34] She's playing all the advantages and the idols.

[00:17:38] And, you know, she's basically if she gets to the final three, I don't think even Sam

[00:17:44] can beat her.

[00:17:47] I see her the way she's moving around in the game.

[00:17:52] And just like you said, playing the advantages the right way.

[00:17:54] When she played her shutting desire just to feel the crowd out.

[00:17:58] That was amazing.

[00:18:01] And if she can explain it, and I think she has the brains and the words to do it, it's

[00:18:06] going to be.

[00:18:07] Yeah.

[00:18:07] Like Teenie said, chef's kiss, but not for Teenie, but for Rachel.

[00:18:11] Yeah.

[00:18:12] And I love the moment at the tribal council with everybody where Teenie goes into the final

[00:18:19] six tribal council still believing like, oh, it was just a mix up that happened that Caroline

[00:18:26] got voted out.

[00:18:28] Like Teenie still hasn't put it together.

[00:18:30] What happened at the final seven tribal council?

[00:18:33] And yeah, they were like, yeah, we don't really know what happened.

[00:18:37] It was a misguided.

[00:18:38] And Rachel, can I just call this out?

[00:18:40] I feel like that in front of the jury, I feel like that comes across so well as like, okay,

[00:18:45] let's listen.

[00:18:46] I'm not playing around.

[00:18:48] I'm going to tell you all what happened.

[00:18:52] That's good.

[00:18:53] Yeah.

[00:18:53] Because she did like the Tony thing with the shack in the darkness.

[00:18:56] And I love when they shut the camera down and just put the audio of like Rachel listening

[00:19:02] to everything they were saying.

[00:19:03] This is the kind of stuff that if you keep in your back pocket or like in your little

[00:19:08] notepad, when you go to the end, you go like, so day seven, I heard this and I didn't

[00:19:13] say anything.

[00:19:15] And day 14.

[00:19:15] No, these are my notes for this just in case.

[00:19:17] Yes.

[00:19:19] I'm a good student, bro.

[00:19:20] Yes, you are.

[00:19:20] So, so this is the kind of stuff that people like eat up because when they realize that

[00:19:29] you've been on a hundred percent, even when they think or they thought you were not paying

[00:19:33] attention.

[00:19:36] That's what the jury loves.

[00:19:37] Yes.

[00:19:38] That's why like, oh, you got me good.

[00:19:40] Right.

[00:19:41] And then they think she's going to go home.

[00:19:43] And then she plays the idol at that tribal council.

[00:19:46] I mean, the jury is just, you know, going bananas for Rachel.

[00:19:53] Yeah, of course.

[00:19:54] And the only thing I wouldn't have told Sue I had the idol.

[00:19:57] I think she got too excited that that day was just coming that she was going to use it.

[00:20:02] But other than that, I feel like her use of the advantages, the idols, the shot in the

[00:20:08] dark, because whoever uses the shot in the dark and it doesn't work.

[00:20:14] It doesn't, you know, it doesn't do anything.

[00:20:17] But if you use it in a way that it's like, like revealing, like Matthew used it on the

[00:20:22] first episode of 44 just to like not rebuild his scars and stuff like that.

[00:20:26] That's when it's fun.

[00:20:27] Yeah.

[00:20:29] Yeah.

[00:20:30] And definitely this season helped advance some of the fun ideas for the shot in the

[00:20:33] dark.

[00:20:33] Okay.

[00:20:33] We haven't talked too much about Genevieve.

[00:20:35] What's been your feeling about Genevieve?

[00:20:38] I think Genevieve is being badass.

[00:20:40] I mean, like she's like being like going hard after people and knowing when her time to

[00:20:46] step up and just like working it out with the stall boat.

[00:20:49] She definitely like took her time and it worked out.

[00:20:52] But also I feel like, you know, being there on the island when I did three and a half years

[00:20:59] ago and watching it, some of this stuff doesn't get told.

[00:21:04] So I was wondering like how many times she probably tried to do it and it didn't work

[00:21:08] out until now.

[00:21:09] And now when they're showing it like all the way, I don't know, but it was still amazing

[00:21:14] to watch.

[00:21:15] And it definitely gave her a little power.

[00:21:17] I think what it did maybe wasn't revealed too much to soon her, her real like skills,

[00:21:24] which is the only thing against it.

[00:21:26] But if you have a grudge against someone and you can hash it out, it's so much fun.

[00:21:33] Yes.

[00:21:34] Take the person out.

[00:21:35] Yeah.

[00:21:36] So that Teenie had the grudge against Genevieve, is that what you're talking about?

[00:21:41] I mean, not, not grudge.

[00:21:42] I used the wrong word.

[00:21:43] If Genevieve had it against Saul for a long time.

[00:21:46] Oh, okay.

[00:21:47] Against Saul.

[00:21:47] And she just wanted it out like a grudge.

[00:21:49] I mean, like, you know, she had that taste for blood.

[00:21:52] Yeah.

[00:21:53] He voted against Rome.

[00:21:55] And then Genevieve tonight, she finally, after all this time, she became the Rome following

[00:22:03] around Rachel as she was looking for the idol.

[00:22:06] She did Rome's move.

[00:22:08] I remember.

[00:22:08] Yeah, you're right.

[00:22:09] I was like, what are you doing?

[00:22:10] Well, you have to follow me.

[00:22:11] Oh my God.

[00:22:12] That would be so freaking annoying.

[00:22:13] Yeah.

[00:22:15] But Genevieve, I think was.

[00:22:16] She was such a fun player in this season.

[00:22:19] And I thought that she really did such a great job.

[00:22:22] I couldn't believe how long she was able to, you know, in Survivor.

[00:22:26] I almost feel like that we have rarely seen like a fake idol have like success over like multiple rounds of the game.

[00:22:37] I mean, her fake idol was paying dividends into the final five from the final seven.

[00:22:46] There's nothing.

[00:22:48] If like the rumor of something, this thought I was thinking like watching the thing, the rumor of something and the idea that people believe is real.

[00:22:56] It is way more powerful than the thing itself.

[00:23:00] Because the Zeus idol was real, right?

[00:23:03] But I think Genevieve's fake idol was more powerful because of stuff she made.

[00:23:07] So if you have something that multiple people believe it's real, then yeah.

[00:23:13] So it's definitely impressive.

[00:23:15] And it was like a tiny little idol.

[00:23:17] I was like, even if people watch it, I was like, what's that?

[00:23:20] But now idols are like, you know, it can be anything, which I don't know.

[00:23:24] I don't like.

[00:23:25] Now, did anybody have fake idols in Survivor 44 besides Josh?

[00:23:31] Well, Jamie had the fake idol.

[00:23:32] Well, Josh had the.

[00:23:33] Oh, yes, yes, that's right.

[00:23:34] So Jamie had, yeah, that's right.

[00:23:35] So Jamie had the fake idol, but nobody knew it was a fake idol.

[00:23:38] Not even Jamie.

[00:23:39] Not even Jamie because Matthew made the fake idol.

[00:23:42] Yes.

[00:23:42] After Brandon played the idol of the birdcage on the first episode, Matthew found it.

[00:23:47] And then Matthew made the fake idol.

[00:23:49] He leaded to Jamie, which was his number one.

[00:23:52] So she believed it was when she goes to the other tribe to Soka.

[00:23:56] He tells Carson, Jamie has a real idol.

[00:23:58] So when he gets like removed from the game or the medibag or whatever, because of the shoulder,

[00:24:04] the only rumor we have is that it's real from her and from Carson.

[00:24:09] And that's why Jamie was always a target, you know, because she has an idol, because she has an idol,

[00:24:13] because she has an idol.

[00:24:15] And then, you know, it ended up being fake and we found out at the reunion.

[00:24:18] Yep.

[00:24:18] And Josh had the fake idol that he showed you.

[00:24:24] Famous.

[00:24:24] Famously.

[00:24:25] What the crappiest fake idol in Survivor history.

[00:24:29] I'm so happy.

[00:24:30] I was like first row to it.

[00:24:33] It was like the beats from Tremel.

[00:24:34] I was like, are those things from Tremel, Josh?

[00:24:37] Because, you know, I collect like everything's forever.

[00:24:40] Like my back at the end of the whole thing was like super heavy because I took everything home.

[00:24:45] But the beats from Tremel, like I saw it and they were not even like in a braid or anything.

[00:24:52] They were like shoe tight laces like that.

[00:24:55] It was like horrible.

[00:24:56] Oh, my God.

[00:24:57] Oh, my God.

[00:24:58] That was horrible.

[00:24:59] Yeah.

[00:25:00] Great moment when you said, are those the beats from Tremel?

[00:25:05] Was that makes for a Tremel, Josh?

[00:25:08] No.

[00:25:09] Definitely not.

[00:25:10] Yeah.

[00:25:11] But Genevieve, luckily she didn't have to show her fake idol too much that in the episode from last week, she sort of takes it out and Tini's like, let me see it.

[00:25:20] And then, oh, Andy's coming.

[00:25:22] Andy's coming.

[00:25:22] Quick, hide it.

[00:25:23] And then nobody has to get a real good look at it.

[00:25:27] But this was such an interesting way that it unfolded where then Sam comes out and says, hey, Genevieve's idol is fake.

[00:25:38] Tini asks Genevieve, is your idol real?

[00:25:43] And Genevieve admits, no, it's fake.

[00:25:47] It's fake.

[00:25:48] And they still like, I don't know.

[00:25:51] Sue says, no, I'm telling you it's real.

[00:25:54] And then it's like, also like, no, it's definitely fake.

[00:25:56] I saw it and I was like, that's the whole thing.

[00:26:02] It was like, there's no way why either people should believe it's fake or real because that's the whole point of Sam saying something.

[00:26:12] And Genevieve, I don't know if she said it's fake on purpose, a strategic.

[00:26:18] Yeah, I'm going to ask her tomorrow on the interview.

[00:26:20] What was she going for in that conversation with Tini?

[00:26:23] Because if she got like, I don't think Genevieve would be the person who was like, oh, I got caught.

[00:26:28] It's fake.

[00:26:29] I think she just said it to like confirm what Sam was saying.

[00:26:34] So the story would be the same so they can question it.

[00:26:37] Because if the story had been different, had Genevieve said like, oh, no, it's real.

[00:26:42] Then they would probably believe Sam.

[00:26:44] Yeah.

[00:26:44] So at the tribal council.

[00:26:46] OK, so you had this interesting scenario.

[00:26:49] Sam saying like, hey, the idol is fake.

[00:26:51] And we know that that I'm sorry, Sue is going to play her idol and Rachel is immune.

[00:26:59] So it's really Tini is the one person that's kind of vulnerable.

[00:27:05] Tini, Jeff asked Tini, you ready?

[00:27:09] And Tini says, I'm so ready to vote.

[00:27:11] Goes into the booth, not ready to vote.

[00:27:14] Struggling to come up with the name.

[00:27:16] Now, Sue and Rachel are voting Genevieve.

[00:27:22] Tini, after all that time, votes Sam.

[00:27:29] Two things.

[00:27:30] I wish they put a timer to see how long Tini was actually there.

[00:27:36] And why did Tini vote for Sam?

[00:27:39] Was it a split?

[00:27:42] Was Tini like conflicted in the booth?

[00:27:45] But why is Tini conflicted if Rachel and Sam...

[00:27:49] Maybe because of the idol.

[00:27:49] Because maybe the idol was true.

[00:27:51] And just in case Tini got votes, like, I don't know.

[00:27:58] If I were Tini thinking that Genevieve had a real idol, I would have voted for Sam.

[00:28:05] So at the end of the day, I think Tini thought that that was a real idol.

[00:28:09] I mean, I'm just trying to think like this.

[00:28:11] Is Tini thinking like, well, what if Rachel and Sam are going to put their votes on Sue,

[00:28:16] but maybe Sue has an idol and those votes are going to get canceled?

[00:28:21] But if...

[00:28:22] Maybe Rachel told Tini that she was voting for Sam and she wanted, like, two and two.

[00:28:29] So Rachel tricked Tini?

[00:28:34] Maybe not tricked Tini, but maybe changed the opinion at the end.

[00:28:38] I don't know.

[00:28:39] I don't know.

[00:28:39] Because I was really confused.

[00:28:41] Even, like, after the episode, I asked Sam, I was like, who voted for who again?

[00:28:45] Because I got, like, a little confused.

[00:28:47] I was like, I had no idea what was, you know, going on.

[00:28:50] Yeah.

[00:28:51] Because I thought the whole...

[00:28:52] We did a whole thing about how Tini was going to get revenge on Genevieve

[00:28:56] for all the times that Genevieve lied in Tini's...

[00:29:01] She was playing in Tini's face.

[00:29:03] Maybe during management.

[00:29:04] And then Tini's loaded with Sam.

[00:29:05] Maybe during management.

[00:29:06] I don't know.

[00:29:07] I don't know.

[00:29:08] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:29:09] It's, you know, very confusing.

[00:29:12] But I wish there was a way that for Sam and for Genevieve,

[00:29:16] like, all this confusion could have worked to their advantage.

[00:29:20] But when they really don't have anything,

[00:29:22] there was no way that it could have worked.

[00:29:25] Unless they were, like, were able to try to get them to say, like,

[00:29:29] hey, hey, look, you don't know.

[00:29:31] We could have the idol tonight.

[00:29:32] You should vote Tini.

[00:29:34] But Rachel is immune.

[00:29:36] And Sue has an idol.

[00:29:37] So there was really...

[00:29:38] This was a no-win situation.

[00:29:42] It was, like, kind of like...

[00:29:45] I think it was a boring vote.

[00:29:47] Then the edit tried to make fun.

[00:29:49] And that's how we got this unexplainable vote, how it happened.

[00:29:54] Other than Tini being in the voting booth for, like, what, 10 minutes?

[00:29:58] I don't know.

[00:29:59] Yeah.

[00:30:00] Okay.

[00:30:00] Well, this sets up this interesting scenario for next week.

[00:30:07] Okay.

[00:30:07] One week from tonight, we'll be sitting here.

[00:30:10] At least I'll be sitting here.

[00:30:11] And it seems like it's Rachel's game to lose.

[00:30:16] Except, is there a possibility that Sam wins a Final Four challenge

[00:30:24] and takes Rachel to the fire and beats Rachel?

[00:30:31] Is that...

[00:30:32] Jam Jam, is that a possibility for this season?

[00:30:37] I think it would be the most exciting possibility at that point.

[00:30:41] Because the two of them are really what stands out as, like,

[00:30:46] the better gamers right now.

[00:30:50] What's left of it, right?

[00:30:51] Not saying that Sue didn't have a good journey or Tini had a good journey.

[00:30:54] It was fine.

[00:30:56] But neither of them are the winners.

[00:30:58] Let's be real.

[00:30:59] Let's be real.

[00:31:00] Well, we've been shown.

[00:31:02] Because I was there.

[00:31:02] I know they don't show everything.

[00:31:04] They don't show everything.

[00:31:05] And maybe they're, like, the new Gabler or they're the new Erica.

[00:31:09] But the winner is either Rachel or Sam, right?

[00:31:13] I think so.

[00:31:14] I think so.

[00:31:15] And I think, like, even from the first episode when Sam had, like,

[00:31:19] this, I'm a wolf in wolf's clothing quote, I was like,

[00:31:21] Hmm.

[00:31:23] That's a good quote for somebody that we don't know yet.

[00:31:29] But that would be the most exciting thing.

[00:31:31] If you bring this big target to the fire, I mean, in 44, Heidi did it with Carson.

[00:31:37] This is an exciting moment.

[00:31:39] And this is something I would love to watch.

[00:31:40] This is something that Sam would do.

[00:31:43] I mean, they've been saying already that Rachel is the fire beast or the fire challenger, right?

[00:31:50] So I don't think anybody would want to bring Rachel to fire.

[00:31:55] So, but it would be the only chance they have to get rid of whoever is the biggest threat.

[00:31:59] Because it all comes down to jury votes.

[00:32:02] You have to count the jury votes in your head.

[00:32:04] Do a little, like, who's voting?

[00:32:05] Who's Sierra voting for?

[00:32:07] Who's Saul voting for?

[00:32:08] Yeah.

[00:32:08] You, like, run down the list and think what's better for you at the end.

[00:32:12] Yeah.

[00:32:13] I just think that Sam had more of a story.

[00:32:18] I try not to get too much into the edit reading.

[00:32:20] But Sam just had a lot going on in the pre-merge that I do wonder, like, is there a possibility?

[00:32:27] I think Rachel will win.

[00:32:29] Then, I just, I like, I have to think that maybe is Rachel getting built up really big?

[00:32:36] And then do we get Sam taking Rachel out at the final four?

[00:32:43] Well, I don't think that's why the edit.

[00:32:46] And I stopped listening to half the question that you were saying, because that's how my brain works.

[00:32:50] You know, if it's too long, I only listen to the first half.

[00:32:53] Yes.

[00:32:55] But I feel like the edit for Sam being amazing is, like, I think Andy's journey is part of, like, Sam being, like, a powerful, like, person that brings, like, Andy under his, like, wing.

[00:33:06] And Andy, like, grows.

[00:33:08] And then Andy overthrows Sam and Sierra.

[00:33:11] And that's why I think Andy had, like, Sam had a good, like, pre-merge edit and all of that stuff.

[00:33:19] And then also the other way you could see, like, how, like, Rachel just keeps coming up and up and up.

[00:33:27] And it's like, wow, what's going on?

[00:33:28] What's going on with Rachel?

[00:33:29] Oh, my God.

[00:33:30] Oh, my God.

[00:33:30] I love her.

[00:33:30] Oh, my God.

[00:33:31] I didn't know I love her.

[00:33:31] And she's amazing.

[00:33:32] Yeah.

[00:33:33] So it all depends.

[00:33:34] Let me ask you a question.

[00:33:36] Okay.

[00:33:36] So that I feel like it's a little bit of a problem in the game.

[00:33:42] You have these people that are goats.

[00:33:44] With all due respect, they're great people, Sue and Teenie.

[00:33:48] But they're just, at no point did anybody ever target them.

[00:33:54] At no point did anybody ever try to get Sue or Teenie out.

[00:33:58] It's just like, okay, we're never going to worry about them.

[00:34:01] That's from the final.

[00:34:03] They get to the merge.

[00:34:03] Like, okay, these people are in the final three.

[00:34:05] Same thing last season.

[00:34:07] Ben and Liz, nobody ever said one time we're going to get rid of them.

[00:34:12] It's just like, okay, they're just going to the end, these people.

[00:34:17] When will the players start to look at these people that have a fast pass to the final three

[00:34:25] and say, let's take them out?

[00:34:28] Will that ever happen, Jam Jam?

[00:34:30] I thought after 44, they would have found out about it.

[00:34:34] Because that's how they reacted to us.

[00:34:36] And we got to the end.

[00:34:38] But people in the game, strong people are so cocky.

[00:34:47] I don't think they see it.

[00:34:49] I don't think they see like the weak people.

[00:34:51] I want to sit with them.

[00:34:53] No, I don't think they see the weak people playing.

[00:34:56] Or at least I'm not saying like everybody that's a goat at the end was a good player.

[00:35:01] But if you let the impression of somebody that's a goat, I'm going to put myself as an example.

[00:35:06] Like people thought I was a goat, but you were not paying attention to my conversations

[00:35:11] and what I was taking notes to and like what I was doing.

[00:35:13] Then I get to the end and I tell you, this is what I did.

[00:35:17] Right?

[00:35:19] But I think people in power and people that are blinded by their strength or power or position,

[00:35:25] they just don't pay attention that they're making the wrong choices

[00:35:28] because they feel like they're invincible.

[00:35:31] Yeah.

[00:35:32] Is it hard for the players to be able to tell who is actually the zero vote finalist while you're out there?

[00:35:44] Can you repeat the question?

[00:35:46] How hard is it for the players to really identify who are the zero vote?

[00:35:50] Zero vote finalists.

[00:35:51] When you're out there.

[00:35:55] Well, you would imagine like the zero vote finalist will be somebody that people don't respect, right?

[00:36:00] Or their games, not as a human, but as a game, as a player.

[00:36:04] So you can have an idea of like, okay, so this person probably is misunderstood.

[00:36:09] Dude.

[00:36:11] I've been famously edited and I've been telling like, I want to carly now because I knew she was more,

[00:36:18] she was playing harder than what people believe she was playing, but then the jury didn't see it.

[00:36:23] Right.

[00:36:23] Like, um, so it just depends who you are.

[00:36:29] If you're connected to that people, if you're playing from the other side, like you're not playing with that zero votes finalist.

[00:36:35] If you're not playing close to it by distance or like just not by playing with them, you know,

[00:36:41] oh, that person is not going to win.

[00:36:42] That person is going to be zero vote.

[00:36:43] I'm going to have all the votes that the person can accumulate.

[00:36:45] But if you give yourself a chance, like, I'm sure that if you ask people that was working close with Sue,

[00:36:52] maybe they were like, oh, I think Sue can get a vote or two because she said something.

[00:36:56] But I'm just giving her the benefit of the doubt.

[00:36:59] And maybe it's because I'm old and I'm more gentle now.

[00:37:02] How you asked me a year ago, I was like, yes, zero vote finalist.

[00:37:05] But not now, you know, I'm like.

[00:37:08] Yeah.

[00:37:08] But I guess, so as somebody who is, you know, a winner, somebody who understands the game,

[00:37:14] when you were out there, maybe there's other people that are confused about who the zero vote finalists are.

[00:37:20] Like, do you know, like when you're out there of like, oh, the jury is like,

[00:37:25] the jury is not going to vote for this person.

[00:37:29] Do you want me to tell you in general or just my system?

[00:37:33] I want you.

[00:37:33] I want to know from you.

[00:37:35] Did you know when you were out there in Survivor 44,

[00:37:39] the players who would get jury votes and the players who would not?

[00:37:44] I was focusing all my energy on taking people out that were going to get votes.

[00:37:50] Yes.

[00:37:51] Zero votes is a very sensitive name.

[00:37:55] But I could, I was, we were targeting people out that were going to gather votes.

[00:38:01] Like Jamie was going to get her orange votes.

[00:38:04] Lauren was going to get all her orange votes.

[00:38:06] And her story was too amazing.

[00:38:07] You know, like we were like, Franny is too likable.

[00:38:11] Like we need to take her out.

[00:38:12] Like you're asking me if we identify the zero votes,

[00:38:16] but we more identify the people like we're going to get votes.

[00:38:19] At some point, like Heidi wanted Carson out because Carson was going to get all the votes,

[00:38:23] you know?

[00:38:23] So yeah, we have this idea of this person can definitely get votes.

[00:38:27] We need that person out.

[00:38:29] But zero votes, bro?

[00:38:31] Since you get three out of seven, you got.

[00:38:34] Yes.

[00:38:35] How many you got?

[00:38:35] No, no, no.

[00:38:36] No, it was mad.

[00:38:37] Me?

[00:38:38] I didn't get any votes.

[00:38:40] I get zero votes, Jam Jam.

[00:38:41] Yeah, you're zero.

[00:38:43] I don't mean to single out anybody specifically.

[00:38:46] I'm just saying that are you able to like, can you tell like, okay,

[00:38:49] this is a person that's going to get votes.

[00:38:50] This is a person.

[00:38:51] No, you definitely.

[00:38:52] Yeah.

[00:38:52] Because all we do is talk to each other, right?

[00:38:55] So we know how people think and have opinions based on other people, right?

[00:39:02] So like, it's the only thing we do.

[00:39:07] There's no TV, no iPads, no games, no newspaper, nothing, no errands to do.

[00:39:12] That's right.

[00:39:12] And all you do in your head is like, sit down and say like, this person is not getting anything.

[00:39:17] This person is getting some.

[00:39:18] This person is getting my votes.

[00:39:20] Maybe this person and I would share a few people.

[00:39:22] So maybe I need to convince them, you know, that's all you do.

[00:39:25] If you're playing, you're just enjoying the scenery, then you're not thinking about it.

[00:39:29] But if you're playing, that's all you're doing.

[00:39:31] This episode of Rob is a Podcast is sponsored by Amazfit, makers of the T-Rex 3 smartwatch.

[00:39:39] Now, any survivor player worth their salt is looking to up their game.

[00:39:43] And that is exactly what I have done with the T-Rex 3.

[00:39:47] You don't get to be a knowingest know-it-all without a smartwatch.

[00:39:53] And I've had some other ones.

[00:39:54] And let me say what I love the most about the T-Rex 3 is that it has a 27-day battery.

[00:40:03] Day, not hour.

[00:40:05] I'm not supposed to say this, but some of these other watches, you're lucky if you get 27 hours.

[00:40:10] 27 days, that's longer than a season of Survivor.

[00:40:14] And it tracks all these different activities, whether I'm walking, it picks it up automatically.

[00:40:20] There are things that it can track that I would never do, like skydiving or snorkeling.

[00:40:26] It's amazing, all the things that it can track.

[00:40:29] Plus, it has an AI assistant that also you wear right on your wrist.

[00:40:34] And what I also love is that it looks great, too.

[00:40:37] It looks like a real watch and not like I've got this black square that I'm just wearing on my wrist,

[00:40:42] where I look like a child.

[00:40:43] I actually look like an adult wearing a watch.

[00:40:46] So check out the T-Rex 3 by Amazfit at major retailers like Best Buy, Target, Walmart, or Amazon.

[00:40:53] Or get 15% off with our special code at us.amazfit.com slash rob.

[00:41:01] That's 15% off when you go to us.amazfit.com slash rob.

[00:41:10] I want to invite the chat.

[00:41:12] If you have questions for Jam Jam, go ahead and post them in the chat and we'll answer them with Jam Jam.

[00:41:20] I know you...

[00:41:21] Sorry, Rob.

[00:41:22] What's that?

[00:41:23] No, I read Rob H's comment.

[00:41:25] Yes.

[00:41:27] Stick with Rob C.

[00:41:29] Stick with Rob.

[00:41:29] Focus on me, okay?

[00:41:32] Tell me, you haven't talked about the season at all.

[00:41:35] Were there any other things you saw this season in Survivor 47 that stood out to you that you would have liked to have gotten to talk about?

[00:41:46] Is this a question I kept reading?

[00:41:47] I should focus on you.

[00:41:48] You gotta focus on your boy here.

[00:41:51] I'm gonna set up.

[00:41:51] Yeah, don't look at the chat, okay?

[00:41:53] Okay.

[00:41:54] You just...

[00:41:55] You watched all of this from Survivor 47.

[00:41:58] Okay.

[00:41:59] Were there other things that you noticed during the season that stood out to you that you wanted to talk about?

[00:42:07] Other stuff that I wanted to talk about.

[00:42:12] But I feel like at least the...

[00:42:15] I mean, I think we talked a little bit about it, but I feel like some of the advantages, at least from, like, the stuff that Cheracial was part of, were, like, better to enjoy watching her getting them and watching, like, she playing with it.

[00:42:29] Because a lot of advantages lately, I'm sorry, I'm part of it, Niwara.

[00:42:32] Yeah.

[00:42:33] But, you know, they don't have a good payoff.

[00:42:35] Like, we waste, like, 20 minutes of an episode and then...

[00:42:38] Mm-hmm.

[00:42:39] But this...

[00:42:41] At least this season, they've been, like, interesting.

[00:42:44] Like, they've been part of it.

[00:42:46] And people are, like, learning how to, like, make them up and, like, you know, just use them in a fun way and just, you know, play...

[00:42:55] While on the island, play like you're a viewer.

[00:42:57] And I think that's why Andy was such a fun player to watch, because I think he was playing as he was watching himself.

[00:43:04] Like, what's gonna be fun?

[00:43:05] Just going for it.

[00:43:07] So I appreciate that for this season.

[00:43:09] And this season is really cool.

[00:43:10] Yeah.

[00:43:11] There were more exciting journeys, certainly the one that Rachel went on.

[00:43:16] And, you know, the block of vote ends up, you know, being a factor here tonight on the Sam vote.

[00:43:23] I thought it was interesting on the block of vote.

[00:43:26] Sam went up to go vote.

[00:43:28] And it said, oh, your vote has been blocked.

[00:43:30] Unless you have an extra vote, go and sit in your seat.

[00:43:35] And I thought that was interesting that somebody, like, I could block your vote.

[00:43:41] But if you have an extra vote, you can still vote.

[00:43:44] That's right.

[00:43:45] It's similar to when Heidi had the still-a-vote.

[00:43:51] Yes.

[00:43:52] And Lauren asked Jeff.

[00:43:54] I was like, if she has a still-a-vote, does that mean both my votes are just one?

[00:43:59] And then Jeff tells her only one vote.

[00:44:01] So she has still an extra vote, even though she didn't use it there.

[00:44:05] But it's fun that that kind of, like, advantage, still advantage or, like, block advantage, it's only for one vote.

[00:44:11] And it makes the whole sense.

[00:44:13] Right?

[00:44:14] That's how it should be.

[00:44:15] Yeah.

[00:44:15] So, good.

[00:44:16] You know, we didn't really talk this through with Andy.

[00:44:18] If you think Andy would have gotten to the final three, do you think that he would have gotten respect from the jury?

[00:44:29] I mean, it all depends on how he says his story.

[00:44:32] I feel like if you have the right amount of, like...

[00:44:35] He told him good enough to Rachel that she was like, oh, I gotta...

[00:44:37] That's right.

[00:44:37] So he probably would have gotten good respect from the jury.

[00:44:41] It all depends on how bitter the jury is.

[00:44:45] And they look bitter, right?

[00:44:48] But I feel like they all were very hard players.

[00:44:52] And I feel like they would have respect his moves.

[00:44:54] Especially, like, I feel like if you have a part in voting each person out, I think jury members like voting for people that had a plan voting them out.

[00:45:06] Like, oh, you got me.

[00:45:08] So you get my vote.

[00:45:09] So I feel like Andy would have gotten, like, stuff.

[00:45:12] Yeah.

[00:45:13] Christian is reacting negatively in the chat to what happened with Sam's vote.

[00:45:19] He says, this destroys all prior precedent of lost votes.

[00:45:24] Log in.

[00:45:25] Explain me more.

[00:45:27] Yeah.

[00:45:28] So, yeah, I do wonder.

[00:45:30] Like, you know, it had been sort of set up that the players that were there, they didn't really respect Andy's game.

[00:45:37] Rachel told Andy about how, like, yeah, your game, it's sort of...

[00:45:40] She described it as a nothing burger, which is bad.

[00:45:44] But I think she meant it sort of like, well, no, they're not bad.

[00:45:47] Just they think nothing of you.

[00:45:49] And then he ends up telling her about it.

[00:45:52] You know, had Andy voted that Rachel came to him with the plan of, hey, vote with me and vote out Sam tonight.

[00:46:01] If he goes along with that plan, he ends up saying in the game that...

[00:46:07] Is that a big mistake from Andy to not have agreed to Rachel's plan?

[00:46:17] I mean...

[00:46:19] It's great camera work.

[00:46:19] If you would have said, if he says, what?

[00:46:21] It was great camera work by your camera.

[00:46:24] It's crazy.

[00:46:25] This camera is like freaking me out.

[00:46:27] It's like I'm watching The Office.

[00:46:27] It's great.

[00:46:29] My whole life is The Office.

[00:46:33] But I forgot what you asked.

[00:46:35] We just said that.

[00:46:36] I got distracted.

[00:46:36] Yeah.

[00:46:37] For Andy, should he have gone along with Rachel's plan to vote out Sam?

[00:46:42] Or at least tell Rachel, okay, I'm with you.

[00:46:45] I'm voting.

[00:46:46] If you're voting Rachel out, why not lie to Rachel and tell her you're going to vote out Sam?

[00:46:52] I feel like any time that you tell someone I'm voting for you, it's a wrong move.

[00:46:59] Future players, wherever you're going to play, whenever you're going to play, whatever you're going to do.

[00:47:03] Don't tell someone you're voting them out.

[00:47:06] Because you give them a chance to switch, change, like retaliation.

[00:47:13] Even if they don't vote with you that moment, the next vote, they don't trust you.

[00:47:18] There's no way.

[00:47:20] There's no way somebody said Jan Jan needs to slide me one of them edibles.

[00:47:23] And it's funny.

[00:47:24] I don't do edibles, but the camera.

[00:47:28] But it's like don't give an excuse for people to hate you.

[00:47:33] Why do people like it's just coming back to the cocky thing.

[00:47:36] It's like don't be so cocky as to tell people what are you doing.

[00:47:39] Like just play along.

[00:47:41] And if it works out, then great.

[00:47:45] I mean, like if it doesn't work out, then you go back and say like, oh my God, just make up whatever story you want.

[00:47:51] You know, like don't show your all your cars.

[00:47:54] And then at the end of it, like be relieved, like you're just naked.

[00:47:59] I was like, oh my God, it worked out or it didn't work out.

[00:48:01] And I told you and now you can't like make something to retaliate against me.

[00:48:06] But it's just a bad move.

[00:48:09] And it's just, again, the guy got too cocky.

[00:48:12] Yeah.

[00:48:13] Was for sure ready.

[00:48:14] And it's if you feel like you are on the right every time.

[00:48:18] And this is something I don't think I've shared a lot, but I would have all the conversations I wanted to have every single vote.

[00:48:24] Right.

[00:48:24] And I would make sure to have all the right conversations with every single person.

[00:48:27] And every time I was after we voted, I would sit on the stool and go like, if everybody told me the truth, I'm going to move along.

[00:48:38] Yeah.

[00:48:39] You said that to yourself.

[00:48:40] To myself in my head.

[00:48:42] Yes.

[00:48:42] But if they were lying to me, I'm going to eat tonight.

[00:48:48] Okay.

[00:48:48] So it's a win-win.

[00:48:50] So that's the way I would justify when people were voting on that because it drives you crazy.

[00:48:56] Because every time somebody walks off those steps, you go like, oh, my God, I remember talking to that person.

[00:49:01] Another person told me this.

[00:49:02] And then I tried to convince them to tell them that.

[00:49:03] And then we agree on this.

[00:49:04] And I would just tell this to myself every single time.

[00:49:07] So every time, like, the vote would come out the right way, I would like, oh, I'm not going to vote.

[00:49:13] I'm not going to eat tonight.

[00:49:14] But isn't your superpower?

[00:49:16] Didn't you say that you could tell when people were lying to you?

[00:49:21] I don't share this enough.

[00:49:22] Like, I don't share.

[00:49:23] I don't think I've ever said it in a podcast or in a video.

[00:49:26] But it's just the way I would, like, make myself be okay in that moment.

[00:49:32] But because you don't never, you never know if people are telling you the truth.

[00:49:36] Like, I know, and it's my whole thing.

[00:49:38] And I was like, I always said, like, if everybody told me the truth and I have it in my gut and I have the right thing and I have the right numbers.

[00:49:46] I'm here tonight and I'm happy and everything.

[00:49:48] If not, I'm going to go eat.

[00:49:50] So, yeah, I knew it.

[00:49:52] But there's always the possibility.

[00:49:56] Yeah.

[00:49:57] The Rachel and Andy relationship ends up being so interesting because we see them.

[00:50:04] It starts in episode one that they hit it off on the beach.

[00:50:08] They're fast friends.

[00:50:09] And then Andy says, hey, wake up early in the morning and let's make a plan.

[00:50:16] And he wakes her up.

[00:50:17] And she's like, no.

[00:50:18] And he wakes her up in the middle of the night.

[00:50:20] And, you know, he pulls her over.

[00:50:22] She's like, I can't work with this guy.

[00:50:25] And then they're sort of on the opposite sides of things.

[00:50:27] And then he ends up blindsiding Annika.

[00:50:29] And then but after the merge, they end up sort of like getting back together and they're going to try to like work together.

[00:50:35] And then he ends up coming up with Project Italy and then is working on this plan.

[00:50:41] And the target of the Project Italy is to blindside Rachel.

[00:50:47] And then she ultimately wins immunity, throwing off Project Italy only to then survive the hit to then take out Andy in the next round after Project Italy.

[00:51:01] Is this a whole question or are you already?

[00:51:03] No, it was just it's not a question.

[00:51:05] It's just an amazing, an amazing run between the back and forth with Rachel and Andy.

[00:51:13] It's it's sorry, Rob.

[00:51:15] So, yeah, it's fun because it's.

[00:51:19] It encapsulates like part of like their up and downs of the of the relationship.

[00:51:23] And I don't remember who said it today was like, oh, all up and downs, moly downs.

[00:51:27] I don't remember who was saying it to who.

[00:51:31] But.

[00:51:31] It's I think that's the fun part of watching a TV show or being part of a TV show of people that are not alike.

[00:51:38] Like Andy came in saying this is what I need.

[00:51:41] I need a Rachel and I'm going to be her friend and this is what I'm going to do.

[00:51:44] And we're going to talk on the beach every morning and we're going to do it this way.

[00:51:47] And Rachel freaked out because it was like, that's not good for my game.

[00:51:50] People are going to know, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:51:51] That's the fun part of putting, putting, putting people together that, pooping in the ocean, putting people together that don't see life the same way because they come from two different, you know, scenarios of life or whatever experiences.

[00:52:06] And then realizing after both of them didn't match on energies and way of acting after the merge.

[00:52:14] Yo, we only have each other.

[00:52:16] Yeah, we only have each other.

[00:52:17] And then coming back to the whole, oh, my gosh, she's too amazing.

[00:52:20] I'm going to kick her out.

[00:52:22] Yeah.

[00:52:23] And they really were not a match because that Rachel was just like steady the whole way through.

[00:52:28] Rachel never got too high, never got too low.

[00:52:32] Bad things happen.

[00:52:33] She sort of was fine.

[00:52:34] She rode through it.

[00:52:35] Andy, the highest of highs and the lowest of lows for Andy.

[00:52:41] And it was like a roller coaster.

[00:52:42] And they just were never able to like consistently stay together.

[00:52:48] And amazingly, Rachel ends up outlasting him and sends Andy to the jury.

[00:52:55] All right.

[00:52:55] Let's take some of these questions that we have from our listeners.

[00:52:59] Okay.

[00:53:00] Yes.

[00:53:01] All right.

[00:53:03] Let's see.

[00:53:04] How about a question from prayers and ponytails for me and you.

[00:53:11] If Sue played her vote for Sam or Jen, would that have given her a big move to win depending on the final three?

[00:53:19] Could Sue have done something with her idol to potentially get something under her belt?

[00:53:27] I think at this point with Rachel having a necklace and Jen being the other big target, I don't think Sue could have done a lot of it.

[00:53:41] A lot to like make herself, her light shine brighter.

[00:53:49] Because she did what any stable minded person would do is like, keep your head down.

[00:53:56] Don't call attention to yourself.

[00:53:58] Just get as far as you can.

[00:54:00] And if you hear your name, play your idol.

[00:54:03] She never heard her name and she played it the last minute she could because that's what any level headed minded person would do.

[00:54:11] And there's prompt to that.

[00:54:14] That's what should be her argument, right?

[00:54:16] Could have she used it?

[00:54:18] And can we play like devil's advocate and tell like, oh my gosh, you could have told people blah, blah, blah.

[00:54:22] And have four votes on Genevieve and then use it to get Sam out.

[00:54:30] I don't think it would have been good for her because I think Genevieve was still the biggest target.

[00:54:35] But she could have done that just, I mean, if you're going to lose, I don't think Sue in her mind thought she was going to lose.

[00:54:42] But if you're going to lose, then do something fun with your idol might be my only argument.

[00:54:47] Yeah.

[00:54:48] Do you think, do people play for second place?

[00:54:53] I mean, second place still 15,000 more than third place.

[00:54:58] But like, am I being too hard on Sue?

[00:55:00] Is there a path for Sue?

[00:55:01] I think so.

[00:55:06] I mean, she has a lot of blue people in her tribe.

[00:55:08] She's the only blue left.

[00:55:10] There's Gabe and Caroline and Kyle.

[00:55:14] But is Kyle going to vote for Sue?

[00:55:18] That'll get three.

[00:55:19] Can she get a fourth?

[00:55:23] I don't see her getting more than two.

[00:55:27] But we're talking about second place.

[00:55:29] We're talking about second place and then you switch it to four votes.

[00:55:33] No, I don't see her.

[00:55:35] No, not really.

[00:55:36] Yeah.

[00:55:37] Okay.

[00:55:37] All right.

[00:55:39] Let's see.

[00:55:40] I got a lot of questions about Teenie and Sue.

[00:55:43] Sydney wants to know, is there any way Teenie can win or are they destined to be a zero vote finalist?

[00:55:48] I want Teenie to win.

[00:55:58] Okay.

[00:55:58] How does it happen?

[00:56:01] Do you get a vote?

[00:56:04] Well, Teenie would have to get Rachel out on fire or Sam on fire?

[00:56:15] That would be something.

[00:56:17] If Teenie could, after all this, make the fire and beat Rachel, that would be something.

[00:56:24] That would be the only thing.

[00:56:26] But again, it just depends on...

[00:56:27] I do not have a lot of confidence that this will happen.

[00:56:30] You don't.

[00:56:31] I don't think that Teenie is about to beat Rachel in the fire making.

[00:56:36] They only been talking about Rachel's fire ability.

[00:56:39] They haven't talked about anybody else's.

[00:56:41] I mean, I believe Teenie said in the episode that I don't think I could beat Rachel at fire.

[00:56:49] There you go.

[00:56:50] But that can be also, you know, you know how it is.

[00:56:54] Here's the thing with fire too, just in case.

[00:56:57] This is my only chance I had to talk about this.

[00:56:59] Yes.

[00:56:59] Last year, Jeff said on 46 that they didn't give materials for the cast to the final four to practice fire.

[00:57:08] Yeah.

[00:57:10] 44 also didn't get materials.

[00:57:12] We only got the flint and the knife.

[00:57:14] We didn't get any flint sticks, rope, nothing.

[00:57:19] Just in case Jeff forgot, roll the tape.

[00:57:22] We had to like gather our own husk and stuff, just like 46 did.

[00:57:28] Yeah.

[00:57:28] So what did they give you?

[00:57:29] Because you helped Carson, right?

[00:57:31] In getting him ready to go into the fire.

[00:57:34] So they give you like the knife and the flint to do your practice?

[00:57:40] That's it.

[00:57:41] That's it.

[00:57:41] So normally, you know how at the end of the final fire making challenge, they have the drum and they have the rope with the flag and they have the little knife and the flint and they have like a box of materials, right?

[00:57:54] Yes.

[00:57:54] So all the same materials that you have at the final tribal council, the final fire making challenge at the final tribal council, whatever.

[00:58:01] That's what normally people would get since the moment this thing was created.

[00:58:06] Like when people get from the challenge to practice fire, they have each of them with their name, the flint, the dagger and the materials, same amount, same kind of materials that we get at tribal council.

[00:58:20] So 44, which was the, obviously after Gabler and Gabler was the fastest fire making at that moment.

[00:58:28] We didn't get any materials, but we didn't see that season.

[00:58:31] So we had not, because it was recorded 10 days after, you know, Gabler's.

[00:58:36] So we didn't get any materials and then high, and then we had to gather.

[00:58:41] And that's when like, we all, if you see like Carolyn carrying the toolbox, because we were gathering stuff.

[00:58:48] I was like with the pot, like we didn't have a little box with materials.

[00:58:51] We had to gather our own stuff.

[00:58:53] So I helped Carson practice fire with the stuff that we had gathered.

[00:58:58] And that's how I taught him, or at least my technique of like taking the husk of the palm tree, doing a little nest with a little like hole in the middle, like a donut.

[00:59:07] And that's where you put all the sparks and you blow it.

[00:59:11] So then 45, they did had materials.

[00:59:14] And then 46, which was the first season that was recorded after watching our finale, because they went to record after my finale.

[00:59:24] They didn't get materials.

[00:59:26] And that's when Jeff says, we didn't give them materials.

[00:59:30] I heard that 46 fire making took a long time.

[00:59:33] Really?

[00:59:34] Maybe they should go back to giving them the materials.

[00:59:38] I think, I think they didn't give 44 materials because Gabler did it really fast.

[00:59:43] And then Heidi did it without the materials.

[00:59:46] Again, faster than Gabler.

[00:59:48] And then for 45, I guess maybe people, they built production and then whatever, 46, because they just watched our finale.

[00:59:57] So I just wanted to clear that Heidi's faster fire making was without materials.

[01:00:02] Yeah.

[01:00:02] That's right.

[01:00:03] You know, we haven't talked about Sam at all, who is still here in the going into the final four.

[01:00:09] And I feel like has, you know, a puncher's chance going into next Wednesday night of being the winner.

[01:00:16] What have you thought about Sam?

[01:00:19] I think Sam is super charming.

[01:00:21] Yes.

[01:00:21] I think Sam had the makings of a great player that was noticed too early on, like, at the merge and, like, everything backfired.

[01:00:34] Bad on him for, like, getting along with another powerful player in Sierra.

[01:00:39] Mm-hmm.

[01:00:41] You said the puncher's chance.

[01:00:43] I don't know what that is.

[01:00:44] Yeah, he's got a, like, I feel like, you know, he has a path to win the game, which-

[01:00:52] I think so.

[01:00:52] Other than Rachel, I don't think I could say that about the other two.

[01:00:56] I think Sam has a strong path because of the way he has been able to maneuver the fact that everybody was targeting his alliance.

[01:01:07] Yeah.

[01:01:08] And he seems well-liked.

[01:01:11] He seems like there are people on the jury, I think, that would vote for him.

[01:01:15] Certainly Sierra.

[01:01:17] I think Kyle would vote for Sam.

[01:01:21] Genevieve would vote for Sam.

[01:01:23] Sam, potentially, and Andy.

[01:01:27] Yeah, because he's relatable.

[01:01:28] Like, I don't think he beat Rachel, but against Teenie and Sue, come on.

[01:01:36] You know, it is what it is.

[01:01:39] But, no, I feel like Sam, even if Sam won, he would be, like, a likable winner in terms of, like, people would enjoy whatever.

[01:01:48] Because so many shit can come out at the final trouble console, right?

[01:01:53] Because even with, like, I go back to, like, what, 42 when Marianne against Mike, right?

[01:02:01] Like, I thought Mike had it.

[01:02:06] Mm-hmm.

[01:02:07] Right?

[01:02:09] So, and then Marianne did an amazing final trouble console for the cast or the jury.

[01:02:14] So, I don't know.

[01:02:15] Yeah.

[01:02:16] Okay.

[01:02:17] Clarity Peace Love says, Jam is so pretty, I want to look at the Jam Cam.

[01:02:24] That's what we're going to have all season next season.

[01:02:28] That's what you should call this.

[01:02:28] The Jam Cam.

[01:02:29] The Jam Cam.

[01:02:30] It's a roller coaster, baby.

[01:02:32] Woo!

[01:02:32] Yeah, it's like Andy Cam.

[01:02:36] Yeah.

[01:02:37] Okay.

[01:02:39] James says, do you think it was, do you think getting Andy out over someone like Genevieve Sam was a smart play?

[01:02:44] Well, Genevieve was immune.

[01:02:46] But what do you think about Rachel's decision there to take out Andy over Sam at the final six?

[01:02:53] I think it was a great decision.

[01:02:56] Mm-hmm.

[01:02:56] Because with the information that, like, the information that Rachel had, she thought Sam was the biggest threat.

[01:03:07] Yeah.

[01:03:07] But she was seeing it from her perspective of his moves because she didn't know what Andy was doing.

[01:03:13] And as soon as Andy revealed his little dark book of secrets.

[01:03:18] Yeah.

[01:03:19] She knew right away that that was the biggest target because Rachel is already thinking.

[01:03:25] Yeah.

[01:03:26] Maybe before final six, she's thinking final trouble console.

[01:03:29] Yeah.

[01:03:30] And she's got a glimpse of his mind.

[01:03:34] And she was like, woo, no way.

[01:03:36] I'm of a couple of different opinions on this.

[01:03:40] Like, I kind of feel like that I think probably Sam is the bigger threat to win immunities.

[01:03:45] And I think I probably would have been more likely to take out Sam at the final six.

[01:03:50] But I think that Andy has a better chance of getting with Sue and Teenie and being like, hey, you know who we really got to get out of here?

[01:04:00] Rachel.

[01:04:01] Like, I'm not so worried about Sam and Teenie and Sue getting together.

[01:04:07] But I feel like there's, like, a little bit of a chance that Andy is able to make that move against Rachel.

[01:04:14] And that's why you thought she took him out.

[01:04:17] Well, no, I mean, I think that she took him out for the reasons that she was convinced about his jury speech.

[01:04:23] I'm just saying if I was Rachel, I think I still would have probably said let's stick to the plan and take Sam out here because I'm a little bit more worried about Sam winning out.

[01:04:38] But if you watch.

[01:04:41] Have you watched the past six seasons of Survivor?

[01:04:45] Like I did.

[01:04:46] The winners and the challenges.

[01:04:47] I did more than just watch them.

[01:04:49] I'm fucking with you.

[01:04:50] I'm sorry.

[01:04:52] I'm messing with you.

[01:04:53] I'm messing with you.

[01:04:53] Jeff said it.

[01:04:54] Jeff said it in the episode today.

[01:04:56] I didn't mean to put your watching in the light.