Tiffany Nicole Ervin Postseason Interview

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[00:02:29] We've got a incredible season 50 post-game interview here. For the second time doing a post-game interview here, it's Tiffany Nicole Irvin. Tiffany, how are you? How are you? I'm doing great. I'm doing wonderful. As well as you can do when you lose $2 million. Yes, yeah. Have you been coming to grips with that or was it just a good experience?

[00:03:00] I think a little of both, right? Yeah. I had a year to come to grips with it because, you know, we filmed this long before it aired. But also, it does feel a little bit better because, I mean, yeah, I went out there for the money, but I also went out there to prove to myself that, like, I'm a gamer and I'm good at this game because I didn't feel like I really did that the first time I played, or at least not to my expectation.

[00:03:25] So, there is a little bit of satisfaction in knowing that even though I didn't win, I was this close. And there are a lot of people out there that believe that I should have won. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And listen, you were my winner pick and you made me so proud. And you were right there, third time's the charm. Thank you. I was very flattered when I heard that I was your winner pick. I'm like, we always knew he had good taste. Yeah. Always knew. All right.

[00:03:52] Well, let's go back to where we all started here on season 15. How were you feeling going out to Fiji and starting this adventure? I was very excited in a way that I wasn't the first time. And the first time, I'm not going to say I wasn't excited to play because like, who isn't excited to play Survivor? But there were nerves, like associated with the first time I played that I did not feel the second time I played.

[00:04:21] And it kind of just felt like a business trip, but like a fun one, right? Like that excitement you get, it's like, oh, I'm about to go. I'm about to have a good time. And for me, it was like, I forget who it was. I think it might've been Kyle. He said he felt like he was playing with house money. Even though I didn't win the first time I played, I'm like, well, knowing that I'm the person who placed the worst of everybody here, or like the lowest placement rather, really,

[00:04:50] all I got to do is do better than I did last time. And I'm gonna feel good about whatever happens out there. So that was my mentality. Did you have any ways that you felt like that you were going to change up your approach from the first time? Yeah, there were a few ways. I bit my tongue a lot more this season than I did the first time I played. You know, even though you guys saw me get a little at the end, I feel like there were so many moments this season where I could've and should've like kind of expressed myself

[00:05:19] and maybe pointed things out, flaws in people's gameplay, maybe lies that I saw. But I sat back a lot this time in a way that I didn't before. And I think I kind of just let everybody believe that I was always their friend, no matter what. Yeah. Even like me and Jonathan, there was not a moment until like maybe the end where

[00:05:44] it was obvious that there was like a rift between the two of us because Jonathan kind of betrayed me a little bit earlier on with the Camilla vote. But I kind of flipped the switch immediately when I got back. I'm like, I can't let anybody on to the fact that I have issues with anything they've done in this game. And I think that helped put me further this time because I didn't really peek anybody's radar as a threat until it was too late.

[00:06:09] So we really don't know a ton about OG Kahlo. And we spent a lot of time on camera with the Sela tribe, with everything going on with Christian and Ozzy and Sari over there, and a little bit from the Vatu tribe. But your tribe is really the biggest mystery. You're the first person that I'm talking to from that tribe.

[00:06:35] So I guess you get to really set the record straight about what it was really like there. OG Kahlo, it was definitely a funny tribe. The relationships were very interesting. There was like a lot of friendship, but also kind of like a lot of drama too that went unseen, obviously because the drama at OG Kahlo never resulted in anybody going home for real.

[00:07:03] Me, Dee and Camilla were like really cool right off the bat. Mike White was also really cool with us and Charlie. But then you kind of had Coach Jonathan and Chrissy who were cool. And Charlie kind of floated back and forth between those two groups. There was a point in time where Chrissy kind of was driving everybody crazy on the island. And like we kind of came to a consensus that if we ever went to tribal, Chrissy would be the first one that went home. Mike White was just like, you know, he was nonstop jokes.

[00:07:33] And really randomly enough, me and Coach were actually really close on OG Kahlo. You would never know that because you guys didn't see a lot of it. But I think that also kind of fed into why I had such a knee jerk reaction to him throwing my name out when we got to the merge. I'm like, bro, we have been like tight since day one. What are you doing? He kind of lost it when we got to the merge. But same thing with Jonathan. We were also really close. OG Kahlo.

[00:08:00] And when we got to the merge, it's like everybody just lost their mind. So if that vote would have happened pre-merge that I definitely get that you and Camilla and Dee want to vote for Chrissy. And that Coach and Jonathan and Chrissy probably are looking at Dee. That's what we saw in the episodes. And then is it really come down to Mike White and Charlie are going to be the swing?

[00:08:27] Not really, though, because Mike White and Charlie also wanted Chrissy out. Like they were very clear about the fact that Chrissy was like just kind of rubbing people the wrong way a lot. She complained a lot. It was just a lot, you know, and not that she's not a good person or anything. But, you know, out there, you're hot, you're tired, you're hungry. Even the littlest of nuisances can become the biggest thing. And we all kind of were like, all right, we like we really cannot do this anymore.

[00:08:56] So I don't even think it would have been a swing. It would have been a unanimous situation unless like, you know, Coach and Jonathan decided to do something else. But I think at that point they would have been in that self-preservation mode where it's like, at least it's not us. Or at least that's what they were telling me. Obviously, I can't speak to what I was told. Was there ever any conversation about throwing a challenge? No. Or it was too early? No, no, no, no. Like if anything, we were just not wanting to throw challenges because we all wanted to eat.

[00:09:24] And we knew that like, you know, the more likely you are to win, the more likely you are to have food. And OG Kahlo, there was just never a discussion of throwing a challenge. Even with us like at some point wanting Chrissy out, it was like, it's not worth it to throw a challenge. We don't want her out that bad. We don't want to lose. So the Tribe Swap comes pretty early in the season and then you end up, you stay at Kahlo with the group that you're with? I never left OG Kahlo.

[00:09:54] I was there and then I was there again. It was the merge? Yeah. After the second Kahlo, I went to the merge. Was the merge beach at Kahlo? No, the merge beach was at Yanu. Okay. All right. So... No, no, not Yanu. Oh my God. I was going to say, you went back home? So we went... So that's the thing. It was at the original Yanu beach on the other side. It was the same island, but it was at Batu. Batu and Yanu were on the same beach. Yeah.

[00:10:24] How surreal must that be to go back to where you were when you played Survivor earlier? I can't imagine what that's like. It was so weird. I was like... At first, I didn't realize it because we were on the other side of the beach. Like, we didn't have our camp set up in the main spot. But walking back, I was like, this is giving me real spooky vibes. And I'm like, dang, is this beach cursed? Because Batu kind of had like a really bad start at it. And so did Yanu.

[00:10:53] I'm like, I really do feel like this is a cursed beach. Yeah. Like, where's Jelinski? Where's Kenzie? And I was like... I mean, I knew the beach a little bit better. So I'm like looking at all like the old spots to see if like idols are there and stuff like that. Obviously, it was different, but it was very strange. Almost a little PTSD. I'm like, it was giving me spooky vibes. Yeah. How bummed were you when you saw that Q got voted out?

[00:11:24] I was actually really bummed. I was really bummed because I was looking forward to playing with Q. As crazy as he is, I feel like he's a very fun person to play the game with. Yeah. And going into this season, I had a different perspective. You know, the first time we played together, I looked at him as like somebody who I could trust and like my number one ally. But going into season 50, knowing that he was there, I'm like, if we get a chance to play again, I won't put so much stock in like trusting him with my game.

[00:11:54] But I would like to see how it plays out. I wasn't shocked that he went home, but I was sad because I knew that in addition to him just being fun to play with, I knew that our relationship would have been different going into season 50. He expressed to me that like turning on me was one of his biggest regrets. So I didn't think that he would do that again. So when you are on this swap tribe, how are you feeling?

[00:12:21] I knew that there was, you're talking about Kylo 2.0. Kylo 2.0. Yeah. I knew, I read the writing on the wall. Me and Aubrey, like we got cool right out the gate. And there was a lot of nuance to that because I saw that Colby, Coach and Chrissy were close right away. But that was also information I had from Kylo 1.0.

[00:12:46] Mike White found out from Chrissy that they had like a little pregame chat and they already were having each other's backs before even getting into the game. Yeah. So I knew once they got on a beach, I'm like, okay, well, this little pregame situation was already lined up. And it was, I'm sorry, I'm backtracking to Kylo 1.0 just for a second. Mike White told me that Chrissy told him about their pregame alliance. Allegedly. Yeah. He told me that.

[00:13:14] So I knew all that information going into Kylo 2.0. Mike White didn't really want to have anything to do with that, which is why I already knew that if push came to shove, he was rolling with me, D and Camilla. Yeah. And then when I got on Kylo 2.0, I'm like, okay, well, I remember that these are three of the people he told me for sure was in that pregame alliance. And Genevieve was pretty close with Colby at the time, at least from my perspective. I didn't know how like cool or not cool they were, but they were on the same original tribe and they talked a bunch.

[00:13:43] So I'm like, Colby, Coach, Chrissy locked in since before the game started. Genevieve was cool with Colby. Colby, I already knew Aubrey was on the outs on her original tribe. But I knew no matter what, there was no way that we could go to tribal council because it probably would have blew up in my face and I would end up going home. Which is why I made sure that with every fiber of my being, we did not lose. Yeah. Okay. So you had the awareness even then to know that. And you knew about Aubrey's idol also?

[00:14:12] Oh, I didn't find out about Aubrey's idol until later. But I did know that if we went to tribal, it likely would have been between me and Aubrey. And, you know, once I found out about the idol, I'm like, oh, it's me because she playing that idol. And I just I couldn't risk it. So thankfully, I had to be put in that position. We saw you bond with Joe later on in the season. But did you have any relationship with him when you were on the swap tribe?

[00:14:39] Um, yeah, you guys didn't see a lot of that. Me and Joe were actually pretty cool on Kylo 2.0. Oh, dang, I forgot he was on that tribe, too. Sorry. He was he was in the Colby, Chrissy and Coach and Genevieve. He was in that little circle, too. Yeah. Um, yeah. So that's another reason why I'm like, regardless, is me Aubrey against all of them. But me and Joe did have a relationship. Like from the moment he stepped on the beach, we were cool.

[00:15:08] I never had beef with anybody. That's the thing. I was kind of just like the the neutral person. Everybody could come talk to me. Everybody thought I was cool. Nobody had beef. Even when it came down to like the vote outs, everybody's like, I liked him. I don't want to send her home. So like, yeah, me and Joe had a good relationship. We got closer after the merge, after he admitted to me that coach coerced him into writing my name down. And then, you know, we kind of got closer towards the end.

[00:15:36] But we always had a decent relationship. And you strike up a bond with Aubrey, who really doesn't have anybody else in the game at this point. What was that like meeting up with Aubrey at this point? Yeah. So it was like twofold, right? One, I just genuinely liked Aubrey as a player. As somebody who has watched Aubrey play before, we had a moment on the mat. Like before the game started, when we were all lined up, before we got our tribe buffs, me and Aubrey were standing next to each other.

[00:16:05] And this is the first time I ever spoke to her. I just like leaned over. I'm like, oh, my gosh, I love you, girl. And she's like, oh, I love you, too. Like, I think she might have said that she was looking forward to playing with me. And then that was it. That was the first words we exchanged. And then we didn't talk again until we got swapped on the same tribe. So I knew there was like a mutual respect there. And then after we had conversations, I realized how much we had in common, how cool she was. And she kind of spilled all the tea about her original tribe. So I knew that she was on the out.

[00:16:32] And I'm also just not a person that's going to dogpile on somebody. If she already on the out and y'all don't want to play with her, that's fine. But that's not going to stop me from being cool with her because I like her as a person. How was your relationship with Genevieve? Cool. Me and Genevieve were all so cool. That's the thing. Like, I cannot stress this enough when I say I was friends with everybody until they gave me a reason not to be friends with them. Me and Genevieve were cool. We laughed. We giggled.

[00:17:01] The only doorstop between me and Genevieve, you know, being like this was Aubrey because her and Aubrey did not gel. And there was friction there. So I'm like kind of in the middle of that. And me and Genevieve chatted. And I'm like, hey, I really like you. But I also really like Aubrey. And there really wasn't a world where we could all work together. But Genevieve and I had a great relationship, too. Tomorrow morning is knocking. Stock your fridge now. How about a creamy mocha frappuccino drink?

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[00:18:00] Find support at a retailer near you or on OLLI.com. That's O-L-L-Y dot com. Is there anything else going on here in the post-swap part of the game before we get to the Blood Moon? Um, not really. Like, Kylo 2.0 was so mild. Like, there was really no drama there. Like, it was just so boring.

[00:18:28] Like, get me to the merge, bro. It was like, everybody was so kumbaya. Well, how are you feeling that your Survivor experience really starts in just chaos of going to so many Tribal Councils when you're on Yannou and going back again and again and again? And now here you are. You come back in Survivor 50. And now you haven't even been to Tribal Council in the pre-merge. It was a complete 180. I'm like, I deserve this.

[00:18:58] I earned this. I earned my stripes the first time I played Survivor. I deserve to feel good. I deserve to have a fun time and eat food and not go to Tribal Council into the merge. I did not feel bad about it one bit. Yeah. Is there anything that you want to tell us about your time with Zac Brown? Zac Brown is actually really cool. I felt bad. He got a lot of heat online because apparently he got more confessionals than me at that point. At that point, yeah.

[00:19:26] At that point in the game, he got more confessionals than me and the fans were not feeling it. But Zac Brown was really cool. And it was like, he was just a nice, genuine guy. The food he cooked was nice. He had great conversation. He was funny. At that point, I was just out there having a good time. Yeah. Didn't know what type of backlash was going to be associated when we got back. But he was a nice guy. I liked it. I enjoyed the reward. All right. Let's talk about the blood moon and everything that really.

[00:19:56] So because it's really where from what we see on the show, that's really where your story really starts. And so we have the blood moon and you're there with Camilla. But then also here comes Jonathan and Stephanie and Chrissy. And it's going to be a tough decision that day, ultimately, for Jonathan. How were you surprised by what Jonathan decided to do? Yes and no. Right.

[00:20:26] Because like I said, I had knowledge about this pregame alliance. However, I was hopeful that Jonathan would keep his word. Because at that point in the game, like I said, I had good relationships with everybody. I was actually like friends talking to everybody every day.

[00:20:44] And I was hoping that the amount of like nuisance and drama that Chrissy caused at Kahlo 1.0 was going to be enough to push Jonathan over to me and Camilla's side. But unfortunately, it wasn't. I was hoping that the friendship and rapport that we established while we were on Kahlo 1.0 was enough.

[00:21:09] But because he didn't trust Camilla after the whole Charlie situation, there was not really much I could do. I do think that even with the Charlie situation and them wanting Camilla out, I think that even if that hadn't happened, it still would have been me or Camilla. Because again, they were already aligned before the game started. They already knew they were having each other's backs.

[00:21:35] And that situation probably would have gone that way no matter what. Because I still had better relationships with Jonathan and Chrissy than Camilla did at that point in the game. Camilla's more was like, I'm just a daddy patty. Yeah. So I'd love to get your perspective on the Charlie vote out. And I know you weren't there, but these are your allies. You have Dee and Camilla who have been tight with you since day one.

[00:22:04] Here's Charlie who I have to imagine you have a good relationship with from Survivor 46. I don't know necessarily if you would have gone along with that if you were there. What did you think about that when you heard that it was Dee and Camilla that turned on Charlie? I don't think it would have happened if I was there. I quickly realized once we got to the merge that I was the glue that was holding that group together. Yeah.

[00:22:28] Because when we first got to Kahlo, I was a little weary of Charlie just because I didn't vote for him to win. He voted me out. I'm like, is this going to be weird? We had a conversation because there was a little friction there. But we talked it out and we're like, okay, we can make this work. We got really cool. It was like we just picked up where we left off. And we had a really good working relationship on the first Kahlo. Dee and Camilla were a little more weary of Charlie.

[00:22:57] But because I trusted Charlie so much, they in turn trusted Charlie too. And we were a pretty tight group. We were sharing information freely. We were talking every day. Then once I left, I think that that kind of like removed the solid foundation of that group chat. And it fell apart. Yeah. Because I was genuinely shocked when they got to the merge and I didn't see Charlie in a boat. I'm like, what happened, y'all? We had a good thing. What are y'all doing over there?

[00:23:26] But yeah, I was sad and I was shocked. But I do think that if I was there, that wouldn't have happened. That's a big fracture. Because I was thinking between everybody. Yeah, because now Jonathan doesn't trust Dee and then he feels burned. And so it's hard to put it all back together. And from that point on, there's no chance that OG Kahlo is going to come back together. And so you end up in the blood moon. You went to Applebee's again. Can I ask you which was better?

[00:23:54] The first time you went to Applebee's when Liz didn't get any or the second time you went to Applebee's? I'm going to go ahead and say the second time I went to Applebee's only because that one didn't result in me going home the next day. Okay. I got to actually stay on the island, diger, talk about it with my friends. Like that Applebee's I had the first time was my funeral meal. Like they fed me and they sent me out the door. This time I got a little more time to relax and relish in it. Yeah.

[00:24:24] So you lost Camilla, but then also Genevieve and Colby, who you, you know, had okay relationships with, but weren't really your core people. They go out. How are you feeling after the blood moon tribal council? I was devastated after I lost Camilla, but I wasn't too sad that I lost Genevieve and Colby because those are two people that I wasn't really like. I was cool with and I was cordial with them, but we did not have solidified working relationships.

[00:24:53] And I knew that they would have voted against me because of my proximity to Aubrey. So I said, all right, I lost a good one. But then I also lost two people that wasn't really on my side anyway. So I kind of broke even. Yeah. Okay. So at this point, D is the person that coach is gunning for.

[00:25:15] And Jonathan seems to really have a target on D and you're getting lumped in with this also. And a coach is trying to get people to write your name down to your credit. Nobody wants to write your name down. Yeah. I was just so gagged that tribal, because I'm like, what are y'all doing? Like, this is so stupid, but nobody was listening to me because I'm like, okay, y'all are so scared of D fine. But like, can we level set?

[00:25:45] This is a winner. That's a freaking shield for everybody here. Like, okay, maybe you don't want her to go in game, but first juror, like, please give her a little breathing room. And I think I just got lumped into it because I was so close to D. Like, we were just like inseparable out there. So they're like, well, if we can't take out D, we're going to take out her right hand man. And I'm like, y'all suck.

[00:26:11] And I think it also had to do with the fact, at least from what I heard from Joe's mouth, appearance wise, I am a very strong competitor. Because at that point, my argument was, I have not even won individual immunity. Why do y'all keep saying, I'm strong, I'm strong? I haven't even proved to y'all that I can win individual immunity yet. He's like, yeah, but look at you. And I'm like, lame, weak response. But when it came down to it. Were they wrong? No.

[00:26:42] Hey, they weren't wrong. They were just early. Yeah. They were not wrong. They were just early. Because you have no evidence. At this point, I'm not giving y'all the evidence yet. Yeah. But at the end of the day, it just came down to the fact that they were scared of D. And because I was right next to her, it made my target bigger. Yeah. And Coach, like, freaking, I don't know what was going on in that man's mind. Yeah. Well, talk about it a little bit.

[00:27:06] Because you said that Coach is starting to lose it a little bit here at the start of the merge. What are you seeing? It was crazy. I'm just like, I don't know. It's kind of like that old uncle that just going around and, like, telling people to do things. Because everybody's like, look at this guy. Get a little on this guy. But y'all are listening to him. Y'all are doing what he says to do. So, like, Coach will go around, like, planting seeds. And then, again, it comes back to that, well, at least it's not me.

[00:27:35] And I'm like, y'all sound so ridiculous right now. It was definitely a vote of, like, self-preservation on a lot of people's behalf. But after they got that first initial juror out of the way, I think people started to, like, come to their senses a little bit. Like, wait a minute. Why are we listening to Coach? And that's why he was out of their necks. Yeah. So, did you have any other good connections when you first got to that beach with 17 people that you hadn't spoken to yet?

[00:28:05] Yeah. I got really cool with Christian. He's so funny. Me and Sari hit it off immediately. Ozzy was really cool. I'm trying to think who I clicked with right away. Those are the people who I clicked with right away. And then, over time, I got really close to Devin because he's just funny. I can't honestly say that there was a person there that I didn't speak to or didn't have at least some level of rapport with. Which is why everybody was like, oh, Tiffany, the backup.

[00:28:35] I'm not sure. I know you had a really close relationship with Sari during the game. Was there a point in particular when you two really started to get on the same page? It was day one of the merch. We walked over to the well and we started chatting. And somehow it was just like, oh, girl. Girl. Okay. Done. It was immediate. It was immediate.

[00:29:00] You two were really fun to watch together because I feel like there were so many scenes where you would just both be sitting there where there's a hammock or just next to each other. And it was like we were coming into the middle of a talk show or a podcast that you two are having. Absolutely. I think that that was all of our conversation.

[00:29:23] I am, you know, you guys really missed out on some top tier comedy sessions between me and Sari because in addition to the fact that we are both gamers and just very funny and lighthearted people, we're also Jersey girls. So we don't hold anything back. I forgot about that. We direct with our delivery and the way we approach things in life. And it was just funny because it felt like we both had a slice of home. Like I got like my Jersey friends here with me. She felt the same.

[00:29:52] And it was just free flowing communication between us because we didn't feel like we had to filter ourselves around each other. Yeah. All right. So the duos comes next after, as you mentioned, Coach and Chrissy end up going out. And you do partner up with Joe here and you win the immunity together. And it does seem like that that's the start of a relationship. What kind of working relationship did you have with Joe in the game?

[00:30:20] So up until that point, we hadn't like officially worked. We hadn't worked together because obviously he wrote my name down during the D vote. And we never had to vote for anybody on Kahlo 2.0 because we never lost. So there wasn't really a working relationship. I would say that the relationship between us was strictly just like cordial, friendship, talking about BS. That challenge where we worked together was where we solidified us working as like allies in the game. Yeah.

[00:30:50] Because I also, I knew what was going on. I looked at Joe and I'm like, I looked at everybody else. I said, Joe is my most likely partner for me to win immunity today. And I just walked up to him. I'm like, you want to be my partner? And I think he saw the same in me. Like, I'm probably not going to lose if I'm paired up with Tip. Yeah. And you two, I think when I saw it happen, I was like, you know, this makes sense. Because I think that Joe is looking for straight shooters. People that are going to just not beat around the bush. Tell him what's going on.

[00:31:19] Like, give it to him straight. And I feel like that's you. That is me, 100%. That's why we clicked so well. I'm like, listen, I'm not holding back. I'm not going to beat around the bush. I'm not going to sugarcoat nothing. And that's who I am as a person. I think he appreciated that. And, you know, I mean, it only lasted but so long into the game because there's only one winner. But it also just like, I think he understood how much of a competitor I am. I don't play it.

[00:31:48] Like, I'm going to literally give everything I got to each and every competition. And I see the same in him. He actually gave a speech that day. We were, like, deciding how we wanted to pair up. And he mentioned, like, there was something that happened on his season. He's like, I think that we need to not just make this random. This could be the difference between going home and staying here. Make sure you are comfortable with your partner. And then I was like, well, I'm comfortable with asking Joe. And that was what prompted me to ask him because I knew he was taking it serious.

[00:32:17] Yeah. Yeah. And so we see that there is some debate over who's ultimately going to go. But you must have been so thrilled when the vote solidified onto two people that you had been looking to get out for a while in coaching Chrissy. Absolutely. I was like, I feel like it's Amazon Prime Day. And I got a two-for-one special on getting my ops out of this game.

[00:32:47] Good ratings. Goodbye. And it felt so good. Like, y'all wrote my name down. Y'all went against me. And that's two less people that I have to worry about turning on me. Mm-hmm. Peep. Yeah. What about Coach after the season? Were you and he cool after all this? Yeah. I mean, I can't really say that I've ever really had any negative interactions with Coach post-game. Like, I saw him at the premiere. I saw him at the finale. I saw him a couple times in between.

[00:33:16] Like, he came to L.A. and went to Ben's show. Like, Coach is always so kind and so respectful. I can't say a bad word about him outside of the game. Does he feel a little kooky in the game? Yes. But he's never been disrespectful or mean or any of those things. He's so nice. What was your reaction when Rick Devins was taking out the fake idol at that tribal council where Coach and Chris could go home? Let me tell you something.

[00:33:46] I love Rick Devins. I will sing his praises from the rooftops for the rest of my days. He is so funny. And for me, I just was like, I felt a little bit like Rizzo in that moment because I'm like, this is, I feel like a fan. I'm a player and I'm actively playing. But this is a moment that I'm going to look back on when I'm watching this season. Like, this is Survivor 50. This man is here for the spectacle. And I can appreciate that because so am I.

[00:34:16] Yeah. And after that happened, though, it seemed like that people were not happy with Rick Devins. Everybody likes Rick Devins after the season. But it seemed like that when he's doing these things on the show, it seems like that people were not liking Rick Devins. I think people were just scared of Rick Devins. I think it's really hard to say you don't like Rick Devins. It takes a special person to not like somebody who is so full of joy and whimsy. I don't know how you cannot like that man.

[00:34:46] Whimsy's a new one for Rick Devins. You said what? Whimsy's a new one for Rick Devins. I haven't heard that yet. Yeah. He's so whimsical. Just like, look at how he was a skipping round out there. He's just here for fun vibes. But yeah, I think you got to be like a Scrooge to not like him. Scared of him, certainly. Not like him, I think that's absurd. Yeah. All right. So we should talk about then Christian ends up getting voted out next.

[00:35:13] And if I remember from this episode, you were pushing for Emily to be the person to go home. And I don't know if that was just over the rice issue because you all had just beaten Jeff in the challenge and got the rice. And she was saying that Seri was cooking the rice wrong. I know you made the video talking about Emily and the rice. Yeah. But you seemed like, how serious was that, that you wanted to get Emily out?

[00:35:41] So my reasons for wanting to get Emily out had 0% to do with rice. It was just because I saw that Emily was flip-flopping and she was telling people secrets. I'm like, I knew unequivocally that Emily is not a person I can trust. Now, is she a person that's going against me? No. But going against me is somebody who I can't trust to work with. Either way, it doesn't benefit my gameplay. So I saw her as somebody who I would be far less likely to work with than Christian.

[00:36:10] I do fear that Christian was another one of those self-preservation votes for everybody because everybody's just like, well, he's already writing his name down. I'm like, and that's one vote. There's freaking 19 of us out here. Why are we even worried about Christian? But I, because Christian and I, we chatted, like we bonded right away. I'm like, I like this guy. I feel like we're seeing eye to eye. But once people found out that he had to write his name down, he got a raw deal. Yeah.

[00:36:41] So you're close with Sari. Did you know about how close Sari is with Ozzy and Rizzo? Like, are you looped in on everything that's going on with them? So I have an idea. I knew, well, I can't remember at what point I found out. It was kind of early in the merge. I had an idea. Well, I knew how close she was with Ozzy unequivocally. I knew that her and Rizzo were working together. I didn't know exactly how close they were. I knew that he was part of the alliance.

[00:37:11] But I also knew that at a certain point, she trusted me more than Rizzo. Because Sari knew that I was not ever going against her. Unfortunately, that was not the case for Rizzo. And we all found that out too late. But I knew about the advantages. I knew about the extra vote. I knew about all the things.

[00:37:34] And I do also believe that how close we were was the reason that I was the only person that mentioned getting Ozzy out of the game who didn't end up with a target on their back right afterwards. Because you know this. Sari is like, nah, you coming for Ozzy. You coming for my alliance. You got to go. Not me. Because she knew that I was equally as good of an ally as either of them. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like that comes up in the power broker where I think that you're serious about that. You want to get out Ozzy.

[00:38:04] And then she said, well, let's just let's flush his idol. Yeah. Yeah. But I also was okay with flushing his idol too. Yeah. I would like have been perfectly okay with them getting Ozzy, you know, shaking him up and him playing his idol. Because Ozzy was also somebody who I was working with. We had a good relationship. We were sharing information. The idol was the threat to me, not Ozzy. If he would have came back to that beach without an idol, I would have diverted my gates completely. Okay.

[00:38:33] I want to ask you again about Aubrey, who we saw that you had this good relationship with earlier in the game. But then we don't see a lot of you interacting with her on the show. Were you still close with Aubrey all through the post-merge? Yeah, we were close, but there was a point. After, so that time between the auction and the end of the game, that's where we started to part ways a little bit.

[00:38:56] And that's because Aubrey started integrating herself in with the guys a little bit because she started seeing what was going on with me. And I think she realized that in order to get me out, she needed those troops. So we kind of started to fray after the auction. Yeah. But then at the end, once I turned driver again, I'm like, game recognized, game. I got to support my girl. Like, you did it, girl. All right. All right.

[00:39:24] So, you know, at the auction, I know that you were not thrilled that I asked him about this, about Rizzo didn't eat all his food that he got at the auction. Yeah. It was like a very known thing that Rizzo was a super picky eater out there.

[00:39:46] So I kind of like used that as an extra, like, to get Jonathan fired up too. I'm like, and he wasted that protein shake and that chicken. And then Jonathan was getting all worked up. I mean, it was definitely funny because I don't even eat chicken. Like, I don't care about him wasting chicken. But I mean, it seemed like I did because I needed to get Jonathan fired up to see if we could finally get that idol up out of there. Did it work? No.

[00:40:15] But it was hella funny. Yeah. That's funny that you've pushed those buttons. Did you get anything at the auction? Oh, okay. So I ate things, but nothing that you guys saw. There was a point where Ozzy got a tray of cupcakes. So you remember when Ozzy got that cheesecake, that cake? Okay. Yeah. Right before that, there was like a brokerage that happened that never was shown. Ozzy was presented with a giant tray of cupcakes and Jeff gave him a choice.

[00:40:43] He said, you can take this giant tray of cupcakes and eat it for yourself, or you can give this cupcakes to people on the bench and you get nothing. And Ozzy chose to give us all cupcakes and take nothing. Yeah. And then Jeff was like, congratulations. That was a test. As a result of you being so generous, now you get this whole blueberry cheesecake to yourself. And we all ate cupcakes. So I ate my cupcake and then I ate Cerise's cupcake because she didn't want it.

[00:41:09] And then I think I ate somebody else's cupcake. I got two cupcakes. I got three cupcakes. And then I bid on the mac and cheese. But then, so that's another thing that happened at the auction that nobody really saw. I wasn't bidding, not because I didn't want food, but because I'm pescatarian. And I don't eat meat and I won't eat meat. I don't eat chicken. I don't eat burgers, wings, none of that.

[00:41:34] And I knew that because everything was covered, if Jeff pulled the lid off of a burger, it would have sat there. And I didn't want to waste it because people were talking all day like, oh, I want some meat. I want burgers. I want ribs. And I knew they were going to be pissed if I got the meat. So I refused to bid on anything that was covered. Wow. And Jeff was like, okay, fine, Tiffany. Is this good enough for you? And then he uncovered the mac and cheese. Because at that point, everybody's like, Tiffany, please bid on something. They're like, all right, the next thing that Tiffany can eat, we're going to give it to her.

[00:42:04] Everybody was saying it. Jeff pulls the cover off the mac and cheese. I'm like, all right, fine, Jeff. I'll bid. I bid on the mac and cheese. And then Aubrey bids every dollar she has against me. I'm like, girl, y'all just said y'all was going to give me the mac and cheese. So then I got aggravated. I'm like, you know what, girl, just take the mac and cheese. I don't even care. And then I ended up just not bidding anymore because I didn't want to spend all my money on the mac and cheese that everybody already said they was going to give me. And then Aubrey ended up having to eat a fish eye before getting the mac and cheese anyway. So I was like, whatever, that's what you get.

[00:42:33] But all that to say, I had a couple of cupcakes and I didn't buy anything. And so you would have eaten the fish eye, though. That's OK, right? Yeah, but I didn't want to. That's gross. Yeah. What about the bug? Would you be in the grub like Aubrey? No, no. And that's why Aubrey got the things that she was going to get that was meant for her because Aubrey is doing that. I'm not eating a grub. I don't even eat chicken. You think I'm going to eat a rubber snail? No. Did you get to keep the money? Yeah.

[00:43:03] And I sure did keep it. I spent it in the airport on some Cinnabon and sushi. Yeah. I had leftover money at the auction that we had in Survivor of the Amazon. And then the camp burned down and it burnt my money. And I was not I was not good. I was pissed. But I digress. This is your time. Are you serious? I am serious. All right. So tell me about the Mr. Beast coin and that whole day with everything. Because there's so much going on.

[00:43:29] It was one of like the most frenetic free tribals that we've ever seen where the vote is changing constantly. So where where were you in that? Were you trying to get Stephanie? Yes. Oh, it's so funny. They like actually pulled me right before we got on the boat and interviewed me. Like they did a confessional right before we went to tribal. And they're like, Tiffany, what do you want to happen tonight? I was like, everybody's going for Rick Devens. If there's even a crack or opening where I can get Stephanie out, I'm going for it.

[00:43:57] And lo and behold, it happened. But I absolutely was gunning for Stephanie that entire day. Yeah. And then when that opportunity came where Devens was like, you know, he kind of exposed her. And I was like, wait a minute. Why are you telling somebody about your advantage that you want to get out? Gotcha. And everybody jumped on it. Can you talk about how it was shifting throughout that day? It was going all over the place because, again, everybody is scared of Devens and this idol.

[00:44:25] And they're like, we got to get it out of here or whatever. And then it was flopping back and forth between Stephanie. And then I think somebody might have said something about Sari. I don't know. Maybe they didn't say it to me. Or Ozzy. It was Ozzy. It was Ozzy. There were so many things being thrown around. But I was like, Stephanie. Stephanie. And because she had said Ozzy's name, I had a little bit more like push to it. Because I'm like, but she's going to get Ozzy out. And everybody's like, yeah, like we're going to get her.

[00:44:53] And that whole little blow up at Tribal with her and Devens, it was just a perfect opportunity for me to flip things. Because Devens pulled out like his little idol stunt. People were afraid to waste votes on him. So I'm like, well, here we go. Served up on a platter. And ultimately I did get my way because Stephanie was my target that night. You didn't think about flipping the coin, did you? You know what's funny? I asked Jeff. I was like, because he explained the rules.

[00:45:22] And I was about to try to flip it because I thought that maybe I could flip it since I had the necklace on. I was like, hey, Jeff, can I flip it since I have the necklace on? And then, you know, I'm safe no matter what. And then it saves everybody the drama. He's like, you can flip it, but you got to take that necklace off. And I was like, oh, never mind. And that was also day 19, right? That was when you won immunity and you realized you were going to get past that original day that you got out in Survivor 46. Yes. It was absolutely not an option.

[00:45:52] Once he told me I had to take the necklace off, I was like, dang, I tried to help y'all out. And Devens was like volunteering for it. He was falling out the mouth to flip that coin. But people didn't want him to because they didn't want him to have immunity because they wanted to get him out. Yeah. And that must have been so meaningful. I know it was an emotional response when you ultimately won the challenge. But there's really very few people that did better this season than they did in their original season.

[00:46:19] And other than you and Aubrey and I guess Jonathan, I'm trying to think if there's anybody else who did better this time than their previous times. I actually don't know. I have to go back and like dig through the crates and see, but I don't know if there is too many people that did better. And I think that that emotional outburst came from a very real place because one, I didn't want to go home.

[00:46:45] But it was bigger than that for me because I felt like in that moment, outside of winning, I could with certainty say that I did what I came there to do. Which was prove to myself that I can get further than I did before and I can play better. So not only have I now won immunity, something I had never done before, individual immunity. I also lapsed my time on the beach. So I'm like, I felt like I'm safe. I can let this weight off my shoulders.

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[00:47:43] L.L. Bean. Be an outsider. Visit llbean.com to learn more. Here you are going into this power broker twist where for a brief moment, looks like you win immunity. And then we go and we have a booth review. We look at the instant replay and we see that your foot came up and it's Jonathan who ends up getting the double necklace.

[00:48:13] And I'd love to know your perspective on how you're feeling going into this. Yeah. I had a lot of mixed emotions, right? I even had mixed emotions when I watched it back because you, I don't know, you've never done that challenge, have you? No. No. Okay. So during that challenge, like I watched the replay and when you watch the replay, it looks like my foot is down like mad long while everybody's falling off. But that's not the case.

[00:48:42] You know that when there is, when there are challenges like that, Jeff has to do a countdown. He's like, all right, everybody, this is the transition period. I'm going to count you down. Once I get to one, that's when we're live again. He's like, all right, everybody lift your feet. I'm going to count you down and then we'll be live. He's five, four. A lot of people lifted their feet up on like five and four and three. So that's what you guys are seeing. People are falling off when Jeff is still counting.

[00:49:08] And I snatched my foot up maybe a millisecond after he says one, but I'm like, I mean, obviously somebody was running the tape. Somebody was paying attention. But that's why I had that genuine shock because I didn't realize that I missed it by that much. Jeff didn't even realize it. That's how you know that it was like such a close margin of like, you know, me winning or Jonathan winning. I was disappointed for sure.

[00:49:34] But I also, once I saw how the rock draw fell out, I was a little bit grateful because I'm like, okay, because this situation might not go the same way if I'm not on the same beach as Sari with her extra vote. And Jonathan and I, we're still cool. Jonathan doesn't know I still got beef with him about Camilla. So that's why that little moment where we're on the beach and we're giggling and we're talking about getting Ozzy out. That's because Jonathan and I are still working together.

[00:50:04] So I still got what I wanted. I just wasn't in the power position. Yeah. We talked about this after the day after the finale. And we're talking about that your, what you wanted to have happen during the power broker. I think that, you know, even if you win the necklace here, then, you know, Emily is probably still going to be the person who goes out at your tribal council. The Ozzy one is interesting to me because you, I know you said you wanted to get Ozzy out.

[00:50:30] But Sari really doesn't want Ozzy to go out. What would happen if that was you instead of Jonathan going back and forth with that group? If that was me going back and forth, I probably would have waited until like the last second and tipped Ozzy off to play his idol. And then somebody else would have went home. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like, I'm okay with, I'm okay with that. Because going back and forth between two beaches, now I got to come back and answer to Sari why I didn't give Ozzy the heads up. But, yeah.

[00:51:00] Again, Ozzy can go, Ozzy can stay. It's the idol I care about. I can beat Ozzy in a challenge. I can't beat an idol when Jeff is like, you know, who's going home and who's not. So if I'm going back and forth, while Ozzy is my target, it's not really Ozzy that's my target. It's his idol. So we would have got that idol up out of there and then maybe somebody else would have went home. I don't know. I think it would have been Aubrey, I think. I think it depends who you vote for. Are you voting for Ozzy and then tell him to play his idol?

[00:51:31] Maybe. Because then it'll be a little bit, then it'll be a little bit messy. Because then whoever Ozzy votes for goes home. And I can watch my hands clean like, hey, I didn't vote for you. That was Ozzy. I had no idea he was going to play his idol. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And so. I still got to be sick with that juror. Yep. It changes everything then because now, you know, I really feel like, you know, losing Ozzy is, you know, I'm not sure how you feel, but I feel like it's sort of like that was the path for you and Sari to have Ozzy still there. Yeah.

[00:52:01] I mean, hindsight is 20-20. If Ozzy's there, things maybe don't shake out like this because then they don't have a leg up on me and Sariq because Ozzy would not have been as easily swayed as Rizzo. Mm-hmm. Maybe Rizzo goes home in that moment instead of Ozzy. I don't know. Yeah. But I do think Ozzy being there, he's far less likely to turn on me and Sariq than Rizzo. Yeah. After the Ozzy blindside and he's gone, how are you feeling in terms of getting to the end?

[00:52:30] Like, what do you think is going to be your final three then at that point? So this is also very funny. Now, the final three that I knew unequivocally, I could probably just wipe the floor, any combination of Rizzo, Joe, and Jonathan. Yeah. I knew that. If Sariq still remains on the beach, there was conversations of me, Sariq, and Joe going to the end together.

[00:52:58] And then Joe obviously turned on me and Sariq, and it was not that. But that was a conversation too. There were thoughts in my mind of going to the end with Sariq if she's still there. Do I know that I lose? Yes. But again, I'm a storyteller. This is season 50. I want to tell a story that we can all look back on and be proud of. Give my girl her win. Like, why not? I know that I'll probably come back and play this game again. Sariq has said many times she ain't doing this no more. Yeah.

[00:53:28] So do I know? Maybe. I know everybody wants to win, but, you know, if you're the person that you get Sariq to the end, you get her over the finish line finally, I do think that there is probably a level of glory. Like, that they're having, like, a parade for Sariq and for you. Like, the Knicks.

[00:53:53] I know this is a controversial opinion, but I think there's a lot of ways to win in Survivor. And I don't think walking away with the money is the only way to win. I didn't win this season, but I feel like I did. I definitely won in the court of public opinion. Yeah. Like, I don't know if that's really a bad thing. I thought you had it right with keeping Rick Devins at the final seven. And I know that there was a push to, no, no, no, we have to get Rick Devins out.

[00:54:22] But it ends up being a six to one vote against Rick Devins. And then when you have a six to one vote at the final seven, like, it's not good for everybody. Mm-hmm. I don't think it was good for anybody that Rick Devins went home at that point. Because, again, people are not seeing the bigger picture. Well, maybe some people are seeing the bigger picture. Me, being the target that I was, I know for a fact that Rick Devins is a shield. So I'm like, I don't want him to go home.

[00:54:49] Because as soon as Rick Devins went home, my target went from this to this. So I'm like, I don't really see a world where that makes sense for my game. And I'm like, we could let him stay a little bit longer. But everybody was so scared. Like, what if he finds an idol? What if he finds another idol? I'm like, y'all, idol has not been refound this entire game. Why do we think it's going to happen now? Yeah. It was a weird season with the idol in that there were the Billy.

[00:55:18] Billy Eilish planted three and Mr. Beast had one. I hated it. I hated it so bad. I'm like, replant the idols. That's what this game is about. That's what everybody shook. And I'm like, y'all, it's not even happening. Y'all are making plans about something that has not yet happened once in this game. The idols are not for that. Stop being scared for Rick Devins. Yeah. Yeah. And so you were really zeroing in on Rizzo and his idol and wanting to flush it as we

[00:55:47] were getting later and later into the game. It's finally, it's at the final six. And then ultimately, there is a plan to get you out of the game. Yeah. I think it's Aubrey who is first as your name. Yeah. It was definitely exactly how I predicted it. I knew that Rizzo's idol was going to take a spot from somebody and it was more than likely going to be me. And that's exactly what happened.

[00:56:14] But I'm like, at the end of the day, the person here who is the most threatening to me getting to the end is the person that holds the idol, which at that point was Rizzo. But unfortunately, people saw me as a bigger target than Rizzo and his idol. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, in fairness to them, that I've tried to break this down a bunch of times. I think you do win in almost all of those combinations.

[00:56:43] I think you beat Aubrey in the final three. I think I do too, which is why I think she made the right decision with getting me out. Yeah. So, yeah, you ultimately, you win immunity and you win it on that Arch challenge that you all had so much problems with back on Yanu. And then ultimately, everybody's trying to conspire to beat you in that challenge. You end up getting that immunity.

[00:57:11] Do you know then that it's the end for Seri? Yeah. Yeah, I knew it. I'm like, I was fighting my hardest because I'm like, y'all idol, idol, idol. Like, are y'all not scared? But at the end of the day, no, they're not because Rizzo and his idol was not scarier than Seri Fields. Mm-hmm. So, and rightfully so, like, whatever. But I knew, I knew it was the end for Seri.

[00:57:39] I was hoping it wasn't because I'm like, uh, hello, Aubrey's here. She's played four times. She's scary too. But they, they wasn't trying to hear nothing I was about to say because it would have been me if it wasn't Seri. Yeah. Yes, whatever, girl. You next. Okay. And then at this final five immunity challenge, uh, you're so close to ultimately beating Jonathan there at that, uh, on that puzzle.

[00:58:05] Um, it, it must've been, uh, in the real time. That must've been so tough. It was, I was freaking devastated. I was one puzzle piece away from making it to the final four. I'm like, it was in my puzzle piece. I had it in my hand. We were putting it in at the same exact time. And I was just like, I knew that the only path to the end was winning because they already wanted to get me out two tribals ago.

[00:58:34] So it was at that moment that I knew I literally cried the entire boat ride back. I cried there. I went back and forth with Jeff. I'm like, Jeff, his puzzle is not flush. You said it had to be flush. It's not flush. Look at it. It's all raggedy. He, he's like, no, it's acceptable. I'm like, whatever. But I had to fight for my life. I'm like, I knew I was about to go home. Imagine he overturned it. He's like, you know, you're right. Because my puzzle is nicer. It's neater. You said flush.

[00:59:03] That's why I'm being all meticulous about how I'm placing my pieces. If I knew we could have just did an old raggedy job, I probably would have won. Yeah. And so ultimately it's, it's tough. You go to the jury and then you watch Aubrey end up winning some motion. I'm sure you're thinking that that should have been me. It could have been me. Yeah.

[00:59:27] But I try not to think it should have been because I feel like the person who wins is always a person who's supposed to win. Yeah. I think that it just wasn't my time. But I do think I could have won some motion. I have great hand-eye coordination. But Aubrey, shout out to her because she said she bought some motion on Etsy and practiced. And I'm like, you know what? Opportunity means to prepare. She prepared for that moment.

[00:59:55] And that's why it was her there and not me because she spent that money on Etsy. And the universe rewarded her for it. Yeah. Listen, that she paid her dues in terms of like this was, this was her right moment for her. And maybe that right moment's coming for you. Yeah. I think so. I think so. Did you order some motion on Etsy yet? I have not ordered some motion on Etsy. I'm going to give it a beat.

[01:00:23] I'm still trying to come back down from my Survivor finale high. Yeah. But maybe I do give it a shot. How heated did the final Tribal Council get? Um, I don't know if the final Tribal was heated. Really? That's not a word I would use to describe it. It was definitely tense, but not heated. Um, but also my barometer for heated is probably higher than the average person. Was 46's final Tribal Council more heated? Yeah.

[01:00:52] 46 was way more spicy than this. Like this was just people stating their opinions. A couple of people had to get checked for being a little biased, but it was not heated at all. Interesting. Yeah. Tiffany, what's next for you after Survivor 50? You know, I am a person who likes to think that the culmination of my side quests is what my life is. So right now I'm working on art.

[01:01:21] I have an art show coming up in September in LA that I'm going to be participating in called Black Girl Art Show. I am writing some scripts because I've been working in film and television for a while. Yeah. And maybe I'll get, you know, maybe I'll get something produced. Maybe I'll like sell a script or something like that. I have some really interesting ideas. And maybe I'll end up on another TV show. I'm crossing my fingers. I want to follow in your footsteps and play Traders. Yeah. I think you'd be very fun there.

[01:01:51] I think I would have a great time. You think I would do good on Trader? I think you would because I think that you have the likability and the charisma that I think that people will not want to banish you. I think that ultimately the thing that you just have to worry about is, is she too good? That's always the plight, isn't it? That was your plight? Yeah. Don't wear your glasses. You said don't wear my glasses? Yeah. Take glasses off before you go.

[01:02:21] Does it make me look like intimidated? Oh, she's too smart. You know what that is? What are these? These glasses make me look smart? I feel like these glasses make me look cool. See, any glasses. Don't wear glasses. Don't wear glasses to the castle. No, but I think you'd be, I think you'd have a good, as good of a shot as anybody. Yeah. I want to. That's on my list. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Maybe I'll put the big brother. Who knows? The brother's too long, though. It's so long. It is long. So, I think we'll see. We'll see. We'll see what your next adventure ends up being.

[01:02:51] And then, of course, I love following you on Threads. Oh. I, let me tell you something. Threads is like, I saw somebody post the other day. They said the Threads users are like the people who were more than likely in like the advanced reading classes. The people who like overachievers, the ones who do the most in all the AP classes. I'm like, you know what? That's what it feels like on here. We're all like dissecting things and giving the most educated and ridiculous takes on

[01:03:19] social media and freaking Love Island. I'm having fun on Threads. I've been losing it. Yeah. And then, Tiffany, where can people keep up with you? You can keep up with me on Instagram. TikTok. Threads is Tiffy Crazy Cool across all platforms. T-I-F-F-Y. Crazy Cool. Yeah. Well, Tiffany, thank you for making time to talk to me about all of this. Again, great job. And I'm sure we'll talk to you again soon. Of course. It's always fun chatting.