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[00:00:56] Hello, hello and welcome to the Purple Pants Podcast Survivor News Edition. I serve as your humble and oh so gracious host, Bryce Isaiah. And I thank you so much for tuning in to this week's Survivor News. If you could be so kind to ensure you are subscribed to the Purple Pants Podcast, we are available on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you can find podcasts. The Purple Pants Podcast awaits for you to subscribe.

[00:01:23] And as always with your Survivor News, you can watch this audio podcast on video and it's the preferred way. Head over to the Bryce Isaiah YouTube channel, click subscribe, give this video a thumbs up and let us know in the comments what you think about this week's recap of Survivor Season 48, Episode 4.

[00:01:46] Woo, the baby boys are back this week and we've got a lot to get into. We had an amazing episode. But listen, if you've been anywhere, you know the podcast has had a busy, busy, stressful week. The Jack Shack was under attack. And so we get into this crazy week that we've had. Jack addresses the haters and we get into the episode and so much more.

[00:02:14] So listen, let's get in to this week's Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News.

[00:02:43] Dot, dot, dot. What is going on? Your baby boys are back delivering your weekly dose of Survivor News covering Survivor Season 48, Episode 4, The Baby Boys. I feel like I've just seen The Baby Boys, but we are back fresh from Nashville. The winner of Ghost Island and the first movie. You want to do that right now? The winner of Ghost Island.

[00:03:14] You're not the winner of Ghost Island? Go ahead. I'm the winner of Ghost Island, but don't go to the files right now. Jack, I haven't admitted. Last night, he said, you're not the first merge boot. What? I can't remember. He must have been under the influence. The influence of Siva? I'm not sure what you're talking about, but we have the winner of Ghost Island and the first merge boot, Wendy Z.

[00:03:44] Holland. Let's like. Okay. Okay. Hold on. What do you have? I don't. We're starting to. Unconventional. What do you have? ISO on when? ISO on when? Okay. Bryce Isaiah. Wait. What? I don't know how you got on the front of this car. ISO on when? I will turn on my windshield wipers right now. Okay.

[00:04:14] Huh? Wendell is not the first merge boot. Oh! You were threatening him, though. That's what happened. I don't understand how you can take any of that serious if I am on the front of a car and you're recording. That seems dangerous. So, no. You were holding him on. Right. That is not admissible. I didn't tell you to be on a windshield. Survivor news. But listen, Wendy Z. Enough of you.

[00:04:45] Welcome to the ring. Okay. Hailing in from CT Connecticut by the way of Los Angeles. Ding, ding, ding. And the heavyweight champion of the circle season two. Let's welcome to the podcast. Jack Green. Oh!

[00:05:15] Woo! Uh! Oh! I'm already getting me fired up. Just see. You guys love to wind me up and just let me go. Somebody said in the YouTube comments, they said their favorite part of Survivor News is us ganging up on Jack like clockwork for no reason. Well, listen. The Survivor News has expanded because the baby boy Jack had a week.

[00:05:45] Jack. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Jack! Woo! Listen. Y'all know we got a lot to get into. But listen. The baby boy Jack has had a week, y'all. Y'all been beating Jack up from the left to the right. If it's not one thing, it's another. But like, listen. Let's kick it off.

[00:06:10] Because Queen Say, after last week's episode, took to the streets of X and said, my first order of business will be getting on this Purple Pants podcast and having a clear conversation with Jack. Because this man is always loud and wrong. First of all, I feel like we need some Purple Pants podcast merch.

[00:06:39] And I think I might have to have Tricky create a shirt that says loud and wrong. And from there, Jack, the dog piling on the Jack Shack commenced. It didn't just stop there. Jack felt some type of way about spoilers. Okay. That went left. You got Tevin, a.k.a. Kamala, still tweeting Jack to this day.

[00:07:07] Then the baby boy Robert and Chappelle went on Club Condo and had a thing for Jack as well. But listen, I heard it. I screenshotted it and sent it to Jack. You're instigated. Jack acted like it wasn't a big thing. Then come to find out when DZ. He was. Jack was in Club Condo writing paragraphs. It could not be a huge thing.

[00:07:38] And I could still respond. Right. Nah, you had. No, no. It was a. I knew I've been getting ready all week. Preparing to talk about all this stuff. We can go one thing. I don't know where you guys want to start. I have a lot to say. Um. Where do you guys even want to start? Because I'm ready to defend my. I have some. I have some things. I'm ready to defend myself. I'm ready to admit some. Some. Some. I have a lot. You know, it's not all going to be me standing 10 toes down, but I'm going to be standing

[00:08:07] nine toes down. And maybe my little pinky toe. Right. A little bit. Wendy. The only thing I'm saying, Bryce, I'm glad that finally, for once in life, the dog piling ain't on me. Okay. Classic window. Okay. We got classic window and now we got loud and wrong. Jack. Okay. Jack. The floor is not lava this week, but the floor is yours wherever you want to go, wherever you want to take it.

[00:08:36] But I do just want to say, because there was a dog piling on Jack this week. And did I love it? Yes. But I will just say one thing, right? Jack is our baby boy. And listen, you in the posse. If you're a part of the posse, you can join in on the fun. But if you're not a part of the posse, we don't play about our baby boy. So let's just be clear on that real quick. Okay. Because it's all fun and games. And when it's fun and games, we're going to have fun and games.

[00:09:06] But let me just be clear. We don't play about our baby boy. And I don't want to have to get active in these streets. But I do want to say before you take the floor, Jack, there was a black queen that was in the YouTube comments. And she said, as a member of the Jack Shack, I will help Jack get ready for any fight he needs.

[00:09:30] So I just want you to know, Jack, you know, the Jack Shack got beat up. But the Jack Shack was looking like Thomas's eye. Okay. Look, the Jack Shack members, it's a silent member. You know, we... All right, relax. We move... We're not... I might be loud and wrong, but the Jack Shack moves silent and right. So... And they come correct. So I appreciate you guys looking out.

[00:10:00] Man, it was a crazy, crazy week. When this all started breaking out Saturday too, I was on set for this pilot as well. So I was... It was a whirlwind of a day. I kind of liked it because we had a lot of downtime during the day on set. And this kept me very entertained. And there's literally like so many things I have to address that I'm going to be... I feel like I just got canceled. And this is like my press conference of apologizing for everything that happened. So...

[00:10:29] But I'm not fully apologizing. All right? So let me start with some good... Wendell, did he just say, let me start? Okay. He's kind of incinerary. Let me get that tonight. With the good things... Okay. A lot of you might have known that Mary and I perhaps had a little bit of beef. I'd like to announce that beef is officially squashed. Mary and I talked it out. I believe so. Mary and I talked it out.

[00:10:58] And, you know, I apologize for communicating my thoughts poorly. Mary said that she thought about it more and thought that she kind of over... I don't want to put words in her mouth, but kind of overreacted to what I said. I said I was messing with her. Like, I'm a Mary fan. And we're cool. And I'm always cool for a little friendly beef. And I don't mind if someone claps back at what I have to say. So Mary, I'm cool with Mary. One of my favorites on the season. Regarding...

[00:11:30] Favorite, but not athletic. Two things can be true. Cool. I'm not... Okay, not unathletic, but... I can stand by generally what I... Look, it wasn't... And also learning more about Kevin's injury, I wasn't fully right about that. But given what I knew at the time, I thought it was a reasonable point to make. And it was something I threw out that I just postulated and posed to you guys.

[00:11:59] Like, could this be a thing? It wasn't like, Mary is not going to challenge. So... And then more information came out. It's not a big deal. I think Mary is hilarious. I think she's playing a good strategic game. I don't think she's Jonathan Young out there. But, like, that's not my criteria for who I... Like, I love... I'm a Sandra fan. Sandra would be the first one to tell you. She's not the most... I'm not comparing those two athletically. Is Jack bringing Sandra in now?

[00:12:28] Watch out, because the queen will get you. I'm cool with Sandra. We know the queen very well. But I'm saying, I think Sandra would be the first to tell you, you know, she'll be the first to volunteer to sit out. But that doesn't mean she's not a great player, and that she's not hilarious, and like a great... One of the all-time greats. Okay? Cool. And then with the spoiler thing. I feel like... And also, I want to, like, say...

[00:12:58] I hope people don't misinterpret my passion about all of these things with, like, anger. Right? So, I feel like a lot of people last week... You know, I got very passionate. I'm very excited. And I feel like some people misinterpret that as me, like, being... Trying to, like, being... Like, calling people out. Whatever. No, I'm just excited. Okay? But with the spoiler thing, I can see how, you know, with that passion last week, it came across as a little bit, like, aggressive or entitled or whatever.

[00:13:29] I maintain that, look... Like, obviously, I know that there are going to be spoilers online, and that myself and other people need to do our best to stay offline to avoid those spoilers. With that being said, I could also say, if you're gonna... Like, right when the episode ends on Easter time, if you're... Like, it would be nice... It would be a considerate thing to not post spoilers. Because sometimes people slip up, and that really sucks when you get spoiled. Or just put, like, a little bit of a disclaimer.

[00:13:58] Right? And people made points that, like, it's good for building community. It's good for people to be allowed to discuss. And that's a valid point. And that's why I'm walking back on my stance a little bit. But at the same time, like, can we not be mindful and be a little bit considerate? Like, I maintain that that's a fair thing to say. Because people... I feel like people were saying that I was asking just for me not to be spoiled. Like, that is ridiculous. There's 16% of the country lives in the Pacific time zone. And I think most of them would agree. Of course, we try to stay offline.

[00:14:27] Not the 16%. Jack! Jack said, listen, it's the 16%. I had to be my reader. 16%. We all know to stay offline. Like, I'm not going on Reddit reading everyone's posts. But even Reddit has time-sensitive spoilers so that you don't log on and just get spoiled. Because we all agree that spoilers suck. And I think we know on the Pacific Coast to stay offline. Sometimes myself or others slip up.

[00:14:56] And that's just why I would be considerate to not just be posting spoilers. But I can admit, I posted a poll on my own Instagram. And 75% of the people said I was in the wrong. And when that happens, I'm happy to adjust my view. I'm not just going to be like... If the majority of people can agree on something, I can realize that there's some validity in that point. So those are all the things I wanted to pivot my stance on.

[00:15:24] What I'm not going to pivot my stance on... Oh! Hold on! Wait! Wait! Wait! Wait! Okay! Jack! Oh! I'm... Oh! Did you hear the... I got time today. Did you hear the bass in his voice? No problem. Okay. All right. The screen. Okay. With this whole... The Say tweet. And I...

[00:15:54] Look, I feel like... I mean, Say's been active on Twitter for... Oh! A few months. So I get that it's not maybe just a me thing. Like, this could be fun. It's a fun beef, whatever. But to say that I'm always... Always... Look, I'm the type... I love... I think a lot of things are very nuanced. And I don't like to look at things as black and white. But to say that I'm always loud and wrong... When... If you listen to the last episode... I actually think I said an overwhelmingly...

[00:16:24] Positive things about Say. I said that I thought... In the Green Tribe, she performed the best of anybody that episode. I thought she said that she fought for her life at Tribal Council... Pretty much perfectly. It made some really good points. My only... But she latched onto my only critique... Which is that... It was ridiculous to say that... You knew it. Or that you told... Like, I told you so to everybody. Not something that you can predict. And given that...

[00:16:52] Like, her plan was that she would split a vote. Well, then if you knew it... Then you could have split your vote. Like, no one was stopping you. And so for her to say... I'm always loud and wrong... Well, if I'm always wrong... Then all of my positive comments about her... Must also be wrong. Oh! Oh! Oh! I was genuinely confused. I said so many good things... And for her to latch onto the one thing...

[00:17:21] That I think is objectively correct... Of me saying... It's a bad look to say... Oh, I knew it. When first it looked as though she was saying... Oh, I knew Mary had an idol. Which wasn't true. And then that... The shot in the dark was going to hit. I just said there's no way to know that. And then all of a sudden... Like... So I can respect her... And look... I would love to have her on the podcast. There's so many things that happen... That we don't see. Oh, we don't have her. So if she wants to come on and clear that up... And say... Oh, this was more the context of what happened...

[00:17:51] I'm open to changing my mind. But to say that I'm always loud and wrong... When I think 80% of the things that I said... Were good about her... It's like... Did you not listen to the rest of the podcast? Like, I'm confused. Also... Again... Like... I'm sure it's frustrating for the players to listen to us. I think... Wanda, I'm very happy with Andre. You're gonna say I'm digging out. Also... Whoever chimed in and maybe agreed with her or whatever...

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[00:18:49] Für 1 Euro pro Monat... Auf Shopify.de... Slash Radio... Jack, real quick... Yes or no? Did Cedric make the right decision? No. Oh! Jack! Wait, wait, wait! This is not a crazy thing to say. I said last week... That Cedric burned bridges with Say... And we saw this week... Say began to distrust Cedric... And throw him under the bus...

[00:19:18] And align herself with Mary. That... This isn't... Shouldn't even be a discussion... And it's not a bad decision... Because he kept... Like... Because of anything to do with Say... It's a bad decision... Because he voted for her twice... And got rid of his number one. That... I think Say would actually... Agree with me... That my point of him... Burning that bridge... It's gonna hurt his relationship with Say... And we see that that's already the case. So I don't... Like... Yeah... I mean... What I said last week...

[00:19:47] To the point of me being always loud and wrong... My prediction of what would happen... When I... From last week... Is being realized this week already... Because Say is throwing Cedric under the bus... And not as tight with him... Right? We can all agree on that... And so... Um... Sorry... Where was it? But... Yeah... I just feel like... Wait... Are you reading? Did you write a statement? No... I'm just... You guys are on the side of my screen... So I'm looking on the side of the screen... You guys are on the side of my screen... No... It's... It's so... Again...

[00:20:17] Like... Always loud and wrong... But like... The things that I've been saying are... Mostly seem to be true... And of course... Obviously... I can understand why the players... We don't know all the information... Right? But our job as podcasters... Is to take what we see happen... And just discuss it... And we're not gonna know everything... So obviously... We're gonna be wrong a lot... Like I've been wrong a ton... And that's just like the name of... But that's like the name of the game... Like if we were just to sit here... And say... Woo! Everybody's doing a great job... Like...

[00:20:46] We love everybody... Like... Nobody's making any mistakes... It's Survivor... Like... 17 of those people... Are gonna mess up and lose... So... It wouldn't be a very interesting podcast... If all we had to say was good things... If we never critiqued anybody... Right? So... I... And then... This is where I... Was frustrated with... Robert... Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! What is that? Why'd you call it... Wait! Time out! We got left... I'll pull in Rob! Whoa! Okay! Listen, Rob! Okay, wait!

[00:21:17] I didn't think that what Rob and Chappelle said... Was at all like... Disrespectful to me... But Rob was talking about like... And it's a fair... His... One of his points was that... If he was... As a player... If he was in, say, shoes... That... Hearing people... That have not played Survivor... Comment on your game... And tell you what you should have done... Would be frustrating... And I... And I can agree with that... But the thing is...

[00:21:42] Our podcast is not designed for me to be telling the players what they should have done... It's for our audience of thousands of other people... That... Didn't play Survivor and want to hear analysis... And so... If Say chooses to listen to our podcast... Then you're... You're opening up the opportunity to maybe hear some things that you don't like... And it's never my intention to... Personally put anybody down... I've never once spoken poorly about any single player from a personal standpoint...

[00:22:11] It's always game related... And so... If I say 80% good things and then 20% bad... And you choose to latch onto the 20% bad... Then maybe you're projecting... I don't... Like... I don't know what to say... Right? I mean, look... Anyone who chooses to... To... Like... It's not like I'm calling them up or going up face to face and being like... Oh, you should have done this... You should have... Like, that's just bad form...

[00:22:39] But on our podcast where it's our opinions... I'm going to give my opinion... And like... Oh, you're slinging... Oh, you're slinging, Sam... I have a lot to say... And also like... Not that this is what Say was saying... Or... But I did see other people online like... What were they saying? Insinuating that me having issues with Say's gameplay... Or... Saying Mary was unathletic... That that was like somehow much misogynistic...

[00:23:09] And I don't even want to dwell on that because I... I don't want to like harp on it too much... But... I think that's ridiculous... Like... Last season... Who did I give the most crap to on the podcast? Probably Gabe. Right? I... Season 43... When Gabler won... I think I gave Gabler... The most... Like... Poor reviews... And obviously I was wrong about that because he won... Think about season 40... Winners at War... I was all over Ben Dreebergen...

[00:23:37] Saying that his gameplay was terrible... And so... Like... In the day and age of Survivor... When... Over half... Like at least half the cast is going to be... You know... People of color... Obviously half the cast is going to be women... There's going to be... Like... Just because I critique someone... Like... If I have criticism for someone... Like... Chances are... You know... Like... It's not... It's not personal... Like I've critiqued all... I've criticized all sorts of players... And so... Just because this season it happens to be...

[00:24:07] Say... Like... I just want to dispel that... Like... It's just... That to me felt ridiculous... And that's where I sort of took... Um... Issue... Because I... I don't like that being... Thrown at me without any sort of evidence... You know... Like if it was a pattern... Then sure... But like... It's just... I... I've given criticism to all sorts of people... Um... So... Can I... Can I... Can I respond to that? Yeah... I know I've been... I know I've been going... No... But Jack... The floor is yours... Pop off... Uh... I... My one criticism... Because listen...

[00:24:36] Here on Survivor News... We keep it real... Is Jack misogynistic? Absolutely not... Right? However... Do you have some bias? A little... Right? And like... But here's the thing... Like... That's from your lived experience... And I'm not mad at that... Do I have some bias? Absolutely... Right? And so... Are you not open to... Hearing other people's... Opinions and thoughts? And like... You... You come from a...

[00:25:06] Specific... Like... You... Are... A heterosexual... White man... And that like... You know... You have a... A view... And so like... And there's nothing wrong with that... Right? And like... You speak your view... One of the... That's why we're friends... Right? Like... It's like... We don't agree a lot... We fight a lot... Like... And so it's like... Are you misogynistic... Missogynistic... Massage... Oh my word... Misogynistic... Absolutely not... Right? But do you have some blinders? Absolutely...

[00:25:36] We all have blinders... And I... I think that... To some people... Maybe... It rings a little louder... But like... Jack... You're a great person... You love everybody... Uh... Yeah... You know... But like... Yeah... I can accept... That feedback... And it's... Always something I'm trying to work on... But at the same... Like... If... Like... Of course we all have our subconscious biases... But I think that applies... To everybody... Yeah... And so... And like I said... I've...

[00:26:04] I've cited instances where I've... Criticized straight white guys... And so... Just because right now... It happens to be... I don't even want to get on the weeds on it... But like... Everyone can get the smoke... Like it's not... And that is fair... As far as it goes to... Less about this particular instance... And more about... I guess... Maybe you're saying like... General... Um... My stance on things... I'm very open to... Um... Working on that... But... I... I just would hate for this... This...

[00:26:34] Um... This beef to get twisted in any sort of way... And I don't think that it is though... Right? Like I think that... Of course you see some comments... But like... Let's be clear... Like... I think... I don't... I don't think that it's that... Yeah... I'm not... I'm not saying that the majority... Like... It's probably a very... Very very few... But I just wanted to address that... Because that... Bothers me... Because I try my best... You know... To be... As welcoming... And... Accepting of all the stories... And you absolutely are though... So like... We're not questioning that Jack... Yeah... Again... Um... I don't like...

[00:27:04] It's a couple of people in this world... I don't play about... Right? Okay... It's Barb... It's Wendy... It's Lil' Kim... It's Wendell... And... It's Jack... I don't... You know... I don't play about my baby boy... Yeah... And I don't... And I don't surround myself with people... Uh... That are like that... And so like... I don't want you... This is lighthearted and fun, Jack... And so like... And... Here's another thing... Jack... Jack be a little sensitive sometimes... Right? Like...

[00:27:33] Jack say what he's saying... But he do be a little sensitive... And so... Uh... I do want to be sensitive... To your feelings and your emotion... But like... You're very much celebrated... And appreciated, Jack... We don't agree all the time... And that's like... The best thing about us... So I just want to say that... We want to be talking to each other too... So I... Absolutely... When DZ... You want to... Time out, Jack... Because now... We're almost 30 minutes in, Jack... And I don't think... When DZ has said anything... Here go the comments...

[00:28:02] I'm just saying... Bryce... Can you say misogynistic again? Massagmanistic... Because that one was beating you up... Worse than the internet was beating Jack up... I can't beat Jack up... But yeah... No, wait, Jack... But Wendell, chime in... Like... Jack... You're our brother... We love you... Um... We all have our biases... You're right... And... Bryce and I like to... Joke about yours... But at the end of the day... We know you're well-intentioned...

[00:28:31] We know that... You speak what you feel on this pod... And... We love you for that... And so does the Jack Shack... And then the haters that are out there... Um... They gonna hate on you... And it's a beautiful thing... Because we love that too... Yeah... So... Shout out to the Jack haters... For sure... Well, yeah... No, I appreciate... I... I know you guys... Like... Think that... Um... I don't know... Like... Not... Like... It does... I'll be honest...

[00:29:01] It bothers me sometimes... The way that... Like... You guys are trying to... Like... Emphasize that I have these... Like... For example... When we did our Survivor All-Stars draft... You guys were constantly joking... Oh... Like... Oh... He's gonna pick all the straight white guys... I like... My... Like... My last pick was like... I don't think I had a single... Straight... White... Guy on my team... Right? And so... And like... My favorites this season... And you guys like... Joke about who are my favorites gonna be... This season it's like...

[00:29:31] Kyle, Thomas, and Star... So it's like... You guys say all these... Like... I don't... Like... And I know you mean it well... And it's like lighthearted... But I feel like it does sometimes perpetuate this narrative that I don't agree with... And so... Um... I don't... Like... Right? Like... And I think... The whole thing is like... The beauty of the diversity initiative that you guys helped to institute... Is that you see yourself represented on screen more... And that's really fun... Like... To me... I always... Like... Growing up...

[00:30:01] I was just like... You... You wanna see people that look like you... And... And sometimes there's someone that reminds me of myself... Obviously... Usually they might be more physically similar to me... But you're like... Oh... That could be... But like... For anybody else... Like... They're gonna have the same reaction with people that are similar to them... And so... Who I root for... I don't also think is like... Like... Indicative of any biases... It's just like... This is the person I relate the most to... And like... This season...

[00:30:29] I think the person I relate the most to is probably Kyle... And so... Like... I'm a... I mean... What can I say? I'm a bro... But it doesn't have anything to do... With... Um... Yeah... I always just enjoy like... Putting myself in a certain player's shoes... And kind of thinking about how I would maneuver... Um... Yeah... So... Yeah... I mean... There's a lot of stuff... I'm sure that... I stand by pretty much... Like... Everything... Like... Within the last 20 minutes... I stand by everything I said... I don't know if it...

[00:30:55] I'm not saying that it was all necessarily 100% right or accurate... But... That's... The best I think I could defend myself... Um... I just don't... Oh... Go ahead... Go ahead... I just... Like... I know Say was... Like... It partly seemed to... To be... Fun... Right? Like... It's not... Like... Just say it like... You know... It's not... Like... Oh... I hate Jack Atkins... Like... It's okay... It's not that big a deal... But I just... My... Basically my rebuttal is like...

[00:31:25] Well... I've said so many good things... Even my commentary on Cedric's decision last week... Already proving to look true in the eyes of Say... So... Just... It's like... Clearly I'm not always loud or wrong... Um... And then also it's like... Obviously I can understand Say being frustrated... And Rob for that matter... Of like... Oh... We don't know everything going on... It would be hard to listen to... You know... Someone like myself... Commenting on it... But like... That's the whole point... Like... Is that not the point of... You know... Of course...

[00:31:55] And maybe Say will come in and... Shed some light on things that we weren't aware of... And then I can be like... Oh... Damn... I didn't know that... Like that... Okay... Like that changes things... Like that's literally the whole point of... Us talking about what we see in the episode... Like we can't talk about... Things that we literally don't know... Happens... So we're gonna be wrong a lot... And like... That's kind of the... The point... And then... I don't know... Also... Okay... Like for Rob...

[00:32:23] I don't know if it was meant to be... Like... He questioned about... People that haven't played the game... Podcasting... About Survivor... And how that would be difficult to listen to... But... Like... Talk about it! I wonder about how the... 90% of people that work for your podcast network... That also haven't been on a... Like Survivor... Would feel about that... Opinion... Um... And... And...

[00:32:51] But I don't think that anything he said was incorrect... Right? Like if I was a player... I would agree... That... Oh... Well that person hasn't even played... Like why should I even listen? Which is valid... And I guess the answer to that is... You don't have to listen... But just because... I... Like just because someone hasn't played in the NBA... Doesn't mean that they can't comment on basketball... Like it's... You know what I mean? Yeah but LeBron might pull up on Stephen A... Okay! Sure! Are you... If LeBron's rolling with a bunch of people that have never touched the... Like...

[00:33:21] That haven't touched the basketball... Then... It's a little bit hypocritical... Oh! And I love Rob... I'm a big fan of Rob... So maybe that's why I was just a little bit like... It wasn't necessarily him... Like it wasn't malicious... But I was just like... Well I feel like I'm catching some shade here... Yeah... But it just felt a little hypocritical... And I respected Chappelle at the end saying that... You know he and I are in the same boat in that sense... And that doesn't mean that Chappelle... Chappelle has great tape... So like... Like I'm all for...

[00:33:50] You know if you have good opinions about Survivor... I don't care if you've played or not... Because it doesn't take... Obviously it takes a former Survivor to know all the ins and outs... And the nuances... But it does not take a former Survivor to understand basic strategy... And to have interesting opinions on it... So now that we're at the 30 minute mark... Okay Jack... Yeah... Because Jack... You know the people about to say... I'm sure the people probably were... Some of them were waiting for my response... And so that was right...

[00:34:19] But... Okay... And I didn't mean that like... I just... If you're a Purple Pants Podcast listener... There's chances are you've heard me catching smoke... Nationwide the last week... Not nationwide... Nationwide... But it was a fantastic episode... So I really do want to get into talking about it... Yeah... We got to let Wendeezy talk... Do... Thank you... Do we need to put a button on the smoke... With the smoke from last night?

[00:34:49] Wait... Wait... Wait... Shut up... Yeah... I don't even know... You guys called me... I don't really understand... Oh my God... Well first of all... Listen... The baby boys were in Nashville... Nashville showed up... Showed out... The baby boy might have had a little bit too much fun... I had so much fun... That I had... After the party... There was an after party... And... I... Incessantly... Were calling Wendeezy and Jack... Wendell didn't always pick up... But listen... Say what you want about Jack...

[00:35:19] But he picked up my phone call... Jack was playing some video games... Jack was eating some hot wings... With some ranch sauce... Okay... We had a good old time... With the baby boy Jack yesterday... But mind you... Then while we was at the... While we was at a watch party in Nashville... Okay... A posse member pulled up to me... And said... Hey... I know Jack's been having a tough week... Uh... And I don't want to add on to it...

[00:35:48] But I want to tell you something... I said... Wendell! Come here! Jack... Somebody that you was on the dating app with... Swipe right with... Y'all... Y'all was communicating... But imagine... She was a very pretty young lady... I believe her name was Jocelyn... And I guess you kind of sort of ghosted her... But... Not... Now listen... Y'all... If y'all listening... Can I tell y'all the reason... Of how Jack ghosted this posse? Okay...

[00:36:17] This is connected... Incorrect... But... Go ahead... I'll... I'll... Okay... Well... It's a... It's a... Nine to five... I gotta defend myself out here... Well listen... I guess one of the things that they... Hinged on... Was like Survivor... And... Uh... You know... They was chatting about Survivor... I don't know what happened... But essentially... Jack was like... I gotta let you go... I'm about to... You can't make it tonight... I can't...

[00:36:46] I guess there was a date... And then at the last minute... Jack said... I can't make it... I got a podcast with... Wendy's... And Bryce... Wait... That's not even what you told me last night... Hold on... Okay... Well hey... You said this was someone I... From maybe from West Virginia... And I haven't been... Yeah... Yeah... That... That was the tie-in... They said... Because Jack is... I haven't been in... In like... Two years... So this would have been like a two-year-old situation... So I... Sure... I...

[00:37:16] What I think happens is... Look... Look... I... I... I have... I mentioned that I... I am a survivor enthusiast... In my Hinge profile... And... What do you say? What does it say? It's like... I love survivor... I've got buffs... No... I think it's like... The problem is like... I geek out on... And I say... Astronomy and survivor... Because... You know... You gotta have a...

[00:37:44] I would love to find a girl with common interests... And I love survivor... I love... Astronomy... I love basketball... I love poker... And so... You know... You're not in any of those things... Gambling... Besides points... Um... So... And sometimes... You know... Because to me... So sometimes girls will be like... Oh... I love survivor too... And then you talk about it... And then... If the conversation is going a lot... I might be like... Oh... Really nerdy... But like... I co-host a podcast... Like it's a lot of fun... Um... And the... But that would be... So you use that... Oh... Well...

[00:38:14] But... That would never be my mechanism of like... So... Wait... I wouldn't be like... Oh... Gotta... Gotta blast... I gotta go podcast... What... What... I mean... It's him... They said... If you're on him... You're on any dating app... You know that like... Wait... Like a lot... A majority of conversations... Naturally fizzle out... Especially... If someone lives in a state... That you're in... That you don't even live in... And then you leave... And so... It was never my intention to ghost anybody... But... It's Hinge...

[00:38:44] Like conversations die down... I'm sure we were probably talking a little Survivor... Maybe I mentioned the podcast... And then the conversation fizzled out... And it wasn't... Is that how the Jack Shack is growing, Jack? Through Hinge? Yes... Maybe my... Maybe my dating app experiences are a little different... Because normally it's like... Room 305... Doors open...

[00:39:15] Come inside... Oh no... Face down... Voice Isaiah... Maybe... Maybe I need to try Hinge... Okay... I don't know what you're dating app... It's a little bit different on Hinge... Okay... So yeah... That's cool that she was there... Yeah... You guys just called me up... Like I had... Broken this girl's court... And I was like...

[00:39:45] I don't even... That was two years ago... I can't even really say it... How did we call you... How did we call you... Jack? Hold on... Oh my God... There's... Don't... Don't... You can show it later... But don't show it... Because I don't... I don't want to show other people's faces on the podcast... Oh no... But she... But here's the thing though... Jack... We're... It's a lot of times someone else gets some smoke here... Hold on... We are... We're just...

[00:40:13] We're just choking your chicken... Wait... She... Like first of all... She was there with her boyfriend... She absolutely... She absolutely adores you... And this comment wasn't made like negatively... It was just like... Hey like... So... Just... Just... Yeah yeah... No... It sounds like she's cool... And then... You guys are the problem... You guys are trying to...

[00:40:42] Yank my chain out of you... Whoa... Not... We're just... We're just... We're just some boys... Choking the chicken... Listen... Uh... Whoo... We are 37... Okay... For the time out... Then last time... Last episode... Because mind you know... Also... Jack... Shout out to Wendeezy... Wendeezy was in the comments last week... Shocker... Shocker... Wendeezy was in the YouTube comments... But...

[00:41:11] I was cracking up... Because last week... We went like 15 minutes in... You gave a number... And you were like... Podcast starts here... Somebody corrected us... They was like... No... 2637... So... Around the 38 minute mark... We will get into the episode... But I do just want to say... We were in Nashville last week... Nashville... This week... Nashville was an amazing... Despite the weather... We had an epic time... We had Q... We had Sam... We had Julie... Surprise... We had Owen...

[00:41:39] We had a surprise guest appearance... From my good, good friend... From Ghost Island... Kellen Bechdel... Walked in the door... And we were like... And... Listen... Kellen don't play about Bryce... Because... Q always makes this joke... That Wendell... Perpetuates... And you kind of perpetuated too, Jack... And this gets me a little spicy... Where it's like... Oh, Bryce doesn't drive... I drive... I don't know why... I said... Hey, Jack... Remember that time I picked you up... And you were like...

[00:42:10] No... So I perpetuated it just to you? So you perpetuate this lie... But... For whatever reason... I... I don't know why... Like... When I defend myself... Sometimes it's like... I don't need to defend myself... Because it's like... I know I drive... However... In the midst of Q... We were leaving on the pregame... And Q's like... Bryce... Let me walk you to your car... Because I know where you're sitting... And he's walking me to the passenger seat... Which... Wendell rented a car... I didn't...

[00:42:39] So... But anyway... It was funny because... Q was like... Bryce doesn't drive... Kellen didn't really... Know that it was a joke... When I tell you... Kellen Bechtel... Lit into Q... Kellen and Q... They was going back and forth... For like 15 minutes... Kellen walked into our party... With an attitude... I said... Kellen, you okay? She was like... No! I don't agree... I was like... Kellen is such a dope... She was like... Okay... I didn't know... So... Shout out to Kellen... Because Kellen is a real one... We love Kellen...

[00:43:09] But... Nashville was amazing... We have a week off... And then we are... Hitting the road back again... April 2nd... We will be in Chicago... Chicago is looking like an amazing time... From there... We'll be in Austin... April 23rd... From Austin... I believe we will be in Philadelphia... From Philadelphia... Washington DC... Then Boston... Then the finale... And yes... You wanted it... The finale tickets are now available... Now available... And they are perculating...

[00:43:37] So I'm just telling you now... Please don't wait... We do have a new venue... That is sexy and amazing... So there's plenty of space... But the way the tickets... Once we went live... The way they went... Are going... I'm just saying... You want to be in the building... So please head over to... BryceandWen.com... And let's see you... For the second half... Of the... BWP48 tour... Okay... Jack... How you feeling? I'm a little bit frazzled...

[00:44:06] To be honest with you... I just put in a... Whole shit... Um... So... I'm... I mean... I don't know where to start... He ain't ready to moderate... Let's just get in... It was a... It was a hell of an episode... Um... Yeah... I guess I'll moderate... I... Definitely... I know... I know we want to hear more from Wenn too... So I don't... I don't want to get... I don't want to spear... I don't want to talk too much... This episode... No...

[00:44:35] I just don't talk here for 40 minutes... But... It was an amazing episode... Um... Last week was amazing too... So I'm loving Survivor 4... I was devastated to see... My winner pick... And maybe my personal favorite... Thomas... Go home... Uh... But... With that being said... It was a phenomenal... Tribal... It was a great move by Camilla and Kyle... Uh... I don't like... It was only... Oh... Not too much... Bryce...

[00:45:03] Oh my Guyanese brother and sister... Not too much... No... Bryce... You said Kyle and Camilla... I think that they are great... And again... We're 40 minutes in... So let's just hop on in... Yeah... Yeah... The player of the week... The player of the moment... Is... Camilla... Camilla... Smoked... This... Episode... Yes... Kyle joined in...

[00:45:32] But... I... I just feel like... Camilla... Spear... Headed... And I feel like... She... Emerged... This episode... And so like... Yes... They both played an amazing part... But... In my opinion... Camilla... Emerged... This episode... It... And it's not by these big moves... It's like by... Her natural instinct... To do things... Where... There isn't any communication... Between her and Kyle... And she just...

[00:46:02] Goes for it... Like... That... Very impressive... And I'm like... Wow... Camilla is playing... And she is smart... And... Her... Knowing... Also... Because Jack just talked... Let me also just talk... We're gonna need to put some respect... On Star's name... Because... It is... Very clear... We are not seeing enough of Star... One... Cause... She's trying to figure out that idol... Okay... But...

[00:46:32] When we... Got the... Reveal... That during the challenge... Last week... That Star... And Camilla... Were talking... And kind of like... Star is knowing... Hey... I'm on the outs... My team ain't really working with me... I need to spread my wings... I need to like... Get information to people... To see how we can come back... That information... That Star provided Camilla... Was... Pivotal... And for Camilla to take that... And I feel like... Camilla and Mary...

[00:47:02] They must have went to the same school... Because it wasn't even so much of Camilla... Like... Kind of letting them know about... Thomas... And how like... Oh... It's not an option... It's the way Camilla delivered it for me... If you watch the episode... She's just sitting there... And she's like... Yeah... Like... No... I mean... What I was told... Like... You know... It's not an option... You... You could not go... And it wasn't like... She just was... It was the way that she said it... And then she just sat... On the end of the... The bed and was like...

[00:47:32] Huh... Like... Like... That... For me... That delivery... Of like... Feeding somebody that information... And like... You know it's like... You know it's a lot of tea... But it's like... If I give the tea to you too hot... Then you're gonna be like... Oh, okay... You're trying to sway me... Right? Like... Yeah... This is how Camilla... Delivered the information for me... That I was just like... Oh my God... We think Thomas is a killer...

[00:48:00] Camilla is an assassin... Like... She's a hired... An assassin... Like... That was very impressive... So I don't want to diminish anything of Kyle... Kyle played his part... But... Camilla set it up... And I think... If you just look at Camilla... And her stature... Amongst these... Four dudes... It's like... Now she could like... Lean into that a little... And just like... Sprinkle a little information... And just act like she's...

[00:48:30] Not that cool with Kyle... And just... It goes a long way... To distract them from her really... Being this assassin... Respect... Yeah... I... Hats off to Camilla... Because I like... I really think that was very impressive... What do you... What do you think, Jack? Yeah... I mean... I thought... Camilla was... Absolutely like the player of the episode... It's a little odd to me that you... Like... To me... Camilla and Kyle were 1A and 1B...

[00:48:58] Like they were working in... Like basically perfect... Duo unison... And... Camilla deserves all her flowers... But it is odd that like... That you are... Like... Like... Pulling back from a... Like Kyle was pulling perfectly too... So to me... I just... They both were crushing it... Because Camilla was... Was... You're having a lot of it... And throwing stuff to him... But at the same time... Kyle's... Like reception of all that information... And his way he responded... Was really great too... So...

[00:49:28] They both deserve... I think the utmost credit... Because they did everything perfectly... In my opinion... So let me ask you... Let me ask you this... What is an alley-oop? It's... And basketball... You throw someone in assists in the air... For them to dunk it... When they catch it... Can you dunk it without the alley-oop? In that scenario... No... But... Can you dunk it... If there's no one there to catch it? Right... But...

[00:49:58] In this situation... Right... But like... In this situation... If you're just... Running up... And a ball is in the air... You gonna... Whoa... Bryce... Bryce... Your... Your analogy... Illustrates my point... That analogy requires two people... You know... Yes... But what I... What I am... But what I am saying though... Is... I am not debating... Kyle played his part... Kyle... Bam! He slam dunked it... But... But the pass was perfect... Yeah... Yeah...

[00:50:27] That's what I'm saying... And so it's like... Can you dunk it without... Sometimes it's like... You know what... I'm a... I'm an all-star player... I see Jack going in... In the hole... I'm gonna throw it up... Bam! I'm just saying... Like... In my opinion... Like... Kyle killed it... But Camilla created that play... From what we see... Right? Like... Just... Right... You know... She just... The way she was just like... Oh... I haven't talked to anybody... They don't really know... And then... Yeah... And Kyle killed it... Because Kyle was like... Let me guess...

[00:50:57] It was charity... And then like... You know... And then... My Persian king was like... Oh... It's clear they haven't talked... So yes... They both killed it... But... I just feel like... Camilla... She... She organized it... And also... It's just like... Jack... You were catching a lot of strays last week... I feel like... Are we putting you to sleep, Wendell?

[00:51:27] No... I was listening... I had an extended blink... I feel like... Jack... Charity was catching a lot of strays this week as well... Like... I was like... We haven't seen a lot of charity... But... Hearing people describe charity... Kyle throwing charity under the bus... Charity speaking so high... My man... But not one... Not two... Not three... But full nipple David... Uh...

[00:51:57] She's like... David's the type of player that I love... Like... And then David being like... Yeah... I don't trust her... I can't... Like... I was just like... Oh my God... There's gotta be someone not seeing with her... Or... We're gonna see it with her... Because like... We've gotten this whole charity on the outs thing for a very long time... And now they're still talking it... And... They've gotta do something to show us that... Because... Yeah... People have been talking about that for a while... Yeah... Wait... So... Yeah... I don't even wanna dwell... I mean...

[00:52:27] I just thought Camilla and Kyle... Played... The episode in my mind... Because you're right... She did lead the way a little bit... Um... It was... It was... It was interesting... Because... I don't think there's that much that Thomas really could have done... To be honest with you... I mean... It... Well so... It... It does... You know... We talked in the past couple weeks... We... We loved his villainous activities in some of his lives... We did point out... You know... We were a little bit nervous...

[00:52:56] That they can come back to bite you... And I think it's really interesting... And we could maybe get into this later... But... Now... With maybe swaps being back... I think that changes a lot of how people should... Should treat the journey... But to me... Um... Like... Kyle was just the obvious choice for... For... Or I'm sorry... Thomas was the obvious choice for Kyle and Camilla... Because of... The fear that... You know... If he went on a journey... He could have something... If they take out Joe or Shaheen... Then...

[00:53:25] Thomas might have an extra vote... He could use next week... And then your numbers are still not good... So he's just... You have to target... Or Thomas... Um... Which was unfortunate... Because I love Thomas... But... He's the only person that made sense... Even if he was like... Their favorite of the three... Not saying that he was... But he was the only person to target... And I just... I don't really feel like there was that much that Thomas could do here... He could have played his... Extra voting... Put the votes on them... True... But do you... Like... I mean...

[00:53:53] In credit to Kyle and Camilla for... Their acting job... But I think with all the information that Thomas had... It really, really did... Like that would seem so... Absolutely... And it would throw him under the bus... And show that he lied to his people... Um... Exactly... Um... This... This particular episode reminded me of Ghost Island... When... Uh... It was like a few episodes in... And it was right after our swap... And... Don, myself, and Morgan... We're trying to work with the Malolos that came over... And... Um...

[00:54:22] They were just telling bull-faced lies to us... And then... Um... They pulled a fast one on us... And... Is that when James spearheaded the... Yeah... And they could have picked off any one of us... You know... And in this case... They could have... They had their pick of the litter with the three of them... The three big dogs... Any one of them could have gotten picked off... Very fortunately... I stayed in the game when that happened... And I made it to the end... And Dom did too...

[00:54:51] But they got Morgan who was a player... And... Uh... In this case... They got out Thomas who was like... Yeah... We were looking at this guy like he was going to the... To the end... Yeah... And his... The way he spoke... The way he would... Like... Everything about him was this... Beautiful villainous... Likeable character... Such a tremendous narrator... Such a great survivor player... And... Bam... Snipes... Yeah... I didn't want this tribe to go to tribal...

[00:55:20] Just because I didn't want to lose any of these five... Yeah... That... And what... What tribe is this now? Or what beach are they on? Vula... Vula... Vula got a lot of voodoo... It's... It's cursed... But I was bringing this point up last week with Justin... And I was talking about the journeys... Right? And I... You and I Jack were going back and forth... Because I believe Wendell was asleep... Uh... But... Just of us... Saying like how I was saying... The journey... You can't isolate the journey... You need to like... Encompass...

[00:55:50] Everything about it... And I really think with Thomas here... Right? He got a little powerful... And... The thing that Thomas could have done... In my opinion... Is... Been a little more honest... Because... Just like Justin... I feel like... Had said he knew... That... Justin didn't have a vote... And he didn't lie... Things could have been different... If... This was not new information... That Camilla was bringing... To Joe... And Shaheen...

[00:56:19] This wouldn't have fazed them... And so it's like... It's that fine line of... I need to keep everything to myself... But also... I do need to divulge... Some information... Because... People can talk... And cross-reference... And that can come... And bite you in the butt... So that's my only thing... And it's like... I love Thomas... And I think someone... Again... Shout out to people in the YouTube comments... They said like... Thomas necessarily... Isn't a villain... But he's playing a very... Selfish and great game...

[00:56:49] But he's not... Dehumanizing anybody... He's not disrespecting anybody... It's like... You know what Jeff says... He's not casting any more villains... I really feel like... And people were like... What a... No! Why would you do that Jeff? Right? Because we do love... These devious players... But I do love a player... Like a Thomas... That is like... Devious... But there's a difference... Between being like a villain... And being devious... And so like... I just... I wish Thomas would have like... Just pulled back... A tad bit... Because that could have made... All of the difference... Yeah...

[00:57:19] You bring up a great... Conversation... Because... Now I don't really think... This was much of a reason... Why Thomas went home... Because obviously Joe and Shaheen... Still trusted him... But... Like we said... When all these lies were happening... And when Star and Camilla... Compare notes... And this and that... It is probably... It is going to come out... And throw some shade on your back... And... I think it's interesting... Because now... Like I said... This conversation with these swaps back... Is like...

[00:57:50] Now... A... Having been on a journey... Could be a target on you... With players from other tribes... Like it was here... Because they're worried... Oh... If Thomas has an extra vote... Then... Say they voted out Joe... Then Thomas and Shaheen... Could just use... Thomas's extra vote next tribal... And so they have to go for Thomas... But I also think now... You know... We talked about... When you're honest about what you have... I think in a... In a world where... There's swaps again... That extra... Someone having an extra vote on your tribe...

[00:58:20] Is actually... Is a huge asset... Because if you get swamped with them... Then you're like... Oh... They could have the vote that keeps us... Our tribe strong in a swamp... So... I think that sort of... Supports our... I guess we sort of concluded that... You know... It's... It's starting to look better that... To be honest about your journey... To some extent... But... I don't know... Let me... Of course this morning... While I was in the airport... Guess who... Guess who rang my phone, Jack?

[00:58:49] James Jones... James Jones... And... James Jones was a little... Pertude that last week... I didn't mention his name... He was what? Pertude... Pertuded... Perturbed? Perturbed... You don't got to correct him that fast... Thank you, Jack... Okay... I like that you have that in the arsenal though... Yes... It might... The pronunciation might have been off... But he... You know... He had the word... He's expanding his verbiage... Thank you... And... That's the XB thing... Jack... Is it verbiage... Or is it verbiage?

[00:59:19] That's my question... Hey... Hey... That's great... Jack has had enough... No... But... Uh... James was comparing... The journey... And mind you... First of all... I had my headphones on... I'm sitting at the gate... And I started getting loud... With James... Because we're going back and forth... But I feel like he won me over... Where James is... Considering the journey... That people need to start treating the journey... Like knowledge is power... And you know how like knowledge is power...

[00:59:47] Is such a threatful... Thing to have... However... It's more... The looming threat... That you have knowledge is power... Is... Necessarily the negative thing... And so if you treat the journeys like that... And it's like... Hey... Let me just be honest with you... Let me show you my hands... Let me bend over and cough... Like you know I don't have any... Like anything... What? You know how it's you at the airport... At the chat...

[01:00:16] To make sure you don't have anything on you... They make you like bend over and cough... Like... It's just better to be honest... Uh... And so... And I was like... I was disagreeing... But I guess the caveat that James Jones was saying... Was that like with knowledge is power... When people know you have it... Uh... It's better for you... To like get rid of it... Let people know... Because... If it's the assumption... That knowledge is power... Is so... Powerful... That like people are going to snipe you... Wait... But Bryce...

[01:00:44] Well and obviously you're just relaying James Jones's point... But... Maybe I'm misinterpreting... Isn't that sort of the opposite? Is that... With the knowledge of power... That people know... That it can get you in trouble... But then he's saying that you should be honest about what you get on a journey... But it's like... It's the speculation... Like the speculation alone of knowledge is power... Oh... That you could have something... Right... Right... Yeah... Yeah... I... I can agree with that... Oh... Yeah... Look at... Look at Jack... Okay...

[01:01:13] Jack and Mary... Jack and James... Now if James Jones had been the one to say it... I don't know if I would have agreed... But when you say it, Bryce... It sounds... Okay... It works... James Jones did tweet... Retweet... Say he's a... Did he really? He did... But... It was in defense of you... He was defending... He was defending Jack... Oh wait... Did he like... Quote the tweet? He like... Quote retweet...

[01:01:43] And said something short... But it was... Okay... Oh... Well that's great... Thank you James Jones... You made it sound like... He was like... Well I mean... That's what I do... Yeah... Jack is always loud and raw... Oh... Shout out to James Jones... Oh... Well that's... I mean... Perfect example... James Jones and I can disagree on things... But... It's all love... I mean... But it's also James Jones... So...

[01:02:12] Can we talk about... Okay... So... Go ahead... What you're about to say... I want to kind of... I don't want to go into some murky water... But I do want to talk about some things... Jack... I don't... You know... I do want to say something... I... I want to know what your opinion of this topic is... Sorry I lost you... So with the tribe shake up... I'd love to know... Uh...

[01:02:42] Your thoughts on Eva... Gunning... Just... Because... Because I can't be a hypocrite... Because what I say... I say... With James Jones talking this morning... Be honest... Give him the information... Because... You know... But what do you think of Eva... Sacrificing star? So... I know a lot of people... Would probably expect me to defend Eva...

[01:03:11] In this situation... Given that... The whole internet thinks that... Even I only... Like... Working with guys... Um... But... But... No... I... Um... Obviously... Look... I don't mind getting rid of maybe... If you were not working... But I always think... If you have a move you want to make... Or some information that you want to... Disseminate... Maybe have a one-on-one first... Maybe... You know... Fuel people out... Don't get to the beach right away... And be like...

[01:03:41] Let's get Star out of here... Everybody... But... Wait... Because time out... Because I am a little bit of a hypocrite... Right? Because... Me... Monday morning quarterbacking... I'm like... Uh... I don't know if that's the best thing... But... I also think about... If I were on that island... Uh... And like... I just... I'm trying to gauge some footing... I'd be lying... If... I probably didn't take the first opportunity...

[01:04:10] To like... Let them know about my ops... Right? So it's like... I'm not mad at Eva... I just wish... My... I wish Eva would have disseminated that... To David's third nipple... And then let David's... Fourth nipple... Disseminate it to everybody else... Because... My only fear is... Because listen... Like... I feel like I gotta protect my baby Eva... My only fear... Of her... Giving all that information out... Is that like...

[01:04:39] They're gonna use... I feel like... The way that it was edited... It could be used against Eva... Right? Like... They could see that as like... She's so quick... Wasn't a great episode... Wasn't a great episode... For Eva... From an edit standpoint... Um... Look... Yeah... I... I see where she's thinking... The thing is... I think Eva... We've sort of seen... And I guess it's mostly as it pertains to Star... But... I feel like Eva's like... Here's my... Here's my op...

[01:05:08] How do I get ahead of things... To get rid of them? When I would really just love for Eva to not... Be... Be... Be thinking... How do I not have any ops at all? Like... Right? So... Right. Um... And I do... Yeah... I mean... I do... Well so... Yeah... I don't think it was a great move... And... Completely separate from her beef with Star... I do want to... Defend Eva though a little bit too... Because I've been seeing a lot of stuff... Not related to this move or Star at all... But... A lot of people online getting mad at her...

[01:05:39] Um... You know... About her saying like... Oh... I only want to work with men... Maybe I'm not... In this last week... The best person to be the one to defend her... But it's like... Maybe I should jump in... Because... Jay... I feel like... Yeah... Well I'm just like... Clearly... You know... I'd rather be in a room with all men... Why? I'd be like... Eva... Eva documented... Um... Explained... Detailed... Early on... Like... That she has autism... And the things that are attached to that...

[01:06:09] And it was beautiful... And everyone... Jumped to support her... As they should... And now I feel like... Certain... Not to say that this... Her stance... Or her... Um... Association with... Working with the guys... Whatever... It's not all to do with that... But I think the way that she explains herself... And how... She... She's... I think she's a little bit more black and white... Like she... Says like... Oh... I... You pretty much only work with God... This and that... And she's catching some flack for that... But it's like... If you were...

[01:06:37] One of those people that jumped up to support Eva... Episode 1... As you should... Then... And then... Oh... Well now the symptoms... Or like... The... The things that are associated with her autism... Are being displayed... And now you're bashing her... It's like... Well... Don't... Don't support someone because of like... The overarching thing... And then not... And then get mad at them for like... The little intricacies that come with that... I think is what I would say... Two things can be true... Sure...

[01:07:07] Right? And so... Again... I... I dare to say like... The point that I was making last week... And this week could be... Uh... We could make for this case... As like a game player... As like... Again... She's... And... It's within her right... To share... What she is comfortable with... With who she is comfortable with... But... I dare to say that... If she were a little more open... With other people in her tribe... I don't think it would be... As a big... Issue... As a... You know what I'm saying?

[01:07:37] Like... If it's like... If she shares more... But... Again... It's her right to share... How she wants to share... And when she wants to share... But... I think that if more people knew... I don't think that it would come across the way... That it does... And... Again... I'm not mad... Right? Like... We as viewers... We know how Eva is thinking... And... She's doing... The best that she can do... To protect herself... And... I can't be mad at that... Because I wish... On Kageyan... I was doing...

[01:08:06] The best that I could do... To protect myself... Yeah... But I don't even think it's been that big of an issue with... Her tribe yet... Right? Like she's connected with David... She seems like she's maybe connected with Charity a little bit too... Um... I don't think her tribe looks upon her unfavorably... Other than maybe Star... But... I just think... Well... I guess the... Also it's like... If you want to win Survivor... And you... But you don't really want to work with women... Like... You're gonna have to be able to work with some women... Um...

[01:08:36] So I guess that's just like... Like... I hope for Eva's sake... That she can... Shed some of her past... Um... Like... Tendencies... To be able to... I... That's the case in life too... What's up? You said what? I said that's the case in life too... Like... It helps to be able to work with everybody... Yeah... Yeah... But it's also easier said than done... Right? Because like... Like I... Again... Full... Disclosureful...

[01:09:06] Transparency... Like... Similar to Eva... Right? Like... I don't always... In my mind... I was bullied as a kid... From like... Heterosexual men... And so... Yeah... I have a lot of... When I meet new people... Sometimes... I kinda... Will default... To women... So it's like... I'm not... I can put myself in Eva's shoes... And see... What's happening... So I get that... Like a thousand percent... But... I feel like... I almost want to see... What we have saw... With Say... And Mary...

[01:09:36] Where like... They were completely opposite... And now all of a sudden... They've been bonded... I would love to see a world... Where like... Eva... And Star... Have a... Come to Jesus... And all of a sudden... Cause... You never know... Star might like to jet ski... Like you know... You know... Cause I feel like... Star... Star could be nasty... On a jet ski... So I feel like... Again... If maybe they can come to some type of ground... And I also feel like... Some of that energy...

[01:10:05] That like she is... Has with men... I feel like... She might be surprised... The energy... Star could maybe bring to her... Like... It really could be like... A whole new world... So... I'm hoping for that... I don't know what will happen... But I would love... To see that... And what an awesome spot... On this tribe for Mary... Where... You have David... Throwing out... His own tribe member charity... You have Eva... Throwing out... Her own tribe member star... I mean...

[01:10:35] It's a... It's just... Not only are you like... A swing vote... Between the tribes... But you're a swing vote... Between the people... Within their own tribes... Like you've got... So many layers of protection... So... Yeah... And listen... Mary might... With her... And... Say we're talking... And... You know... Say was saying like... I'm looking at Cedric crazy... And... The fact that... In that time... While we're beefing... You're still comforting me... That says a lot...

[01:11:05] I'm thinking... Jack... Mary could be the first winner... From Philadelphia... To win Survivor... Because it's like... It's these little things... That she's doing... That I'm like... Ayo Mary... Ayo Mary... And shout out to Amon... From the Casual Tea... On the Purple Pants Podcast... He texted me yesterday... And was like... Does Mary live in Philly? I'm like... Yeah... He's like... I think she just... Ruled by me on her bike... I text Mary... I said... Mary... Are you just on a bike? Mary said... No... I'm still on a bike...

[01:11:35] Okay... And so... It was Mary... So shout out to our queen... For not only killing it... In Survivor... But also... Helping the pollution... And riding the bike... Okay... Mary is the queen... Yeah... And on a... And on a bike... She's athletic... We all know... So... Oh... Damn... She's getting... And active... Yeah... There we go... Um... And then... What do we think about... Before we circle back to...

[01:12:04] You know... Tribal and everything... Um... Wendell... I'd love if you'd kick us off... With the... With the new orange group... Of Chrissy... Mitch... Cedric... Say... And Bianca... What do you think about the dynamics over there? Before he say anything... Because y'all know... Say... Oh Bryce talked too much... Chrissy clocked in... We haven't seen a lot of Chrissy... But Chrissy clocked in... I'm trying to remember... What I do remember is... The way Cedric was talking about... Say...

[01:12:33] As opposed to the way she was talking about Cedric... But also... Wendell has spoken... Jack... Let's give it up... Thank you... My job here is done... Have a good night... Here is the thing though... Now... Jack... Can we agree on this? I like the way... Say... Handled it... Right? Like... Hey... When Bianca came up and was like... I'm gonna work with y'all... What's up? Say... Say... Huh...

[01:13:03] You wanna work with... Jack? Do a vibe check... And get back to me... If you... If you messing with the vibe... Then let's rock... Like... I like that... I kinda like... Because I feel like sometimes... In... Survivor... If you put your opinion on somebody too much... Then it's like... Like... Oh... Bryce and Wendell got a crack... So like... You know... But the way she said it is like... Hey... Get a vibe check... Come back to me... Let me know... I like that...

[01:13:33] Yeah... I... The way you're phrasing it Bryce... I like that part of it... It did feel a little bit... I mean... Even we saw... At the beginning of the episode... Say is beginning to distance herself from Cedric... And... But... Now... But should she? Should she? That's the thing... I don't... I... I wanna say to hear this... I generally don't... Now... I'm not saying that in this instance... There's necessarily a right or a wrong... I think Cedric was in a really tough position... Right...

[01:14:02] Where he had to pick between his top two people... And ultimately got rid of his... I guess you could say his number one... And so even though he was a little bit... Wobbly with Say... He's still demonstrating it nice... He's still rocking with me... And so... Right... I still think Say should be proceeding... You know... Keep... Keep up... Sleep with one eye open... But... You should... I think she should still be rocking with Cedric... And it feels like maybe she's not anymore... Which I don't think is great... But... To your point... I do think...

[01:14:31] If I was on a new tribe... I actually would... You know... It would be nice to hear someone be like... And... I feel like she threw a little shade on Ced... Which I don't like... Right... To hear like... Oh... Like... I'm down to work with you... And then if you want to go vibe check Wendell Bryce... And see what you think about him... Like... Maybe we can do something... But... I want to work with you actually, Bryce... Right... So... For Say to be like... Oh... I want to work with you, Bianca... You go see how you feel about... I'm always the type... I love when people are like... Go form your own... Like...

[01:15:01] This might be my friend... Or someone I don't like... But you go form your own opinion... And you can get back to me... Because I'm not going to tell you... What to think about someone you don't really know... So I like that... Can I give you my toxic trait though, Jack? Like... I agree with that... And I stand by that... Right... Because that is the right thing to do... But also... I'm just being honest... Give me the tea though... Like... I know... I know it's not the great thing is... I know it's like... But give me the tea... Because listen... Because listen... Hey... But you and Wendell could be cool, Jack... And I'm like... Hey... Is Wendell cool?

[01:15:31] And Jack... You could be like... Feel for yourself... Or Jack... You could be like... Hey, Brat... Wendell still... Okay... Like... Give me the tea... But if I'm Bianca... In this situation... I'd be like... Give me the tea... But I am still gonna go... Figure it out for myself... Like... Right... Give me the lowdown... Obviously you wanna know... But right... There's always two sides to every story... So even in real life... I'm never just like... I don't just take someone's word for like... Well... If it's like a ride or die friend of mine... And they're like... Yo... I really don't mess with this person... I'm not gonna be like... Well... Actually...

[01:16:00] I gotta go... Scope it out... But if it's like... Oh... You just hear from like... A friend of a friend... Like... Oh... You don't like this person... Like... Alright... Well let me go make my own opinion... Alright... Can I... Real quick... Cause I know... Wendy's getting tired... I do... I do wanna take some time... Did you see when... Godfather Cedric... Had his moment to shine... This episode... When Jack... When not Jack... When Jeff said...

[01:16:31] Cedric... Or... He's talking to the tribe... But it's like... You know... How's it been? And... I need for y'all... To see... How... Cedric again... Is doing these very... Minute things... That I think... People are missing... How's it been? Listen... Children... From this tribe... My children... From this tribe... This tribe...

[01:16:59] It's been very difficult... Each vote... Harder... Harder... To the... To the... Chill, bro... This is Godfather Cedric... It's just... It's hard... Each vote... It becomes... And mind you... He's looking left and right... As he's doing it... I feel like they're slowing down... I feel like Jeff gets on one knee... And he's just saying like...

[01:17:29] It's not as easy as it looks... These people that you've been living these 11 days with... It's hard... And so I want to warn you guys... That as you move forward... Remember... Keep the peace... Keep the family together... It's not as easy... We're struggling... I... I feel like... And you look at everyone... Because... Me watching... And I'm just like... He's just talking...

[01:17:58] But I'm looking at Shaheen... I'm looking at Charity... I'm looking at all of their faces... And they're like... They were nodding and stuff... They've been... He's been through a lot... Oh my God... It's like he's... He's like creating... He's warming them up... He's... He's... You know... He's... The water is clean... He... Like he is... He... Jack doesn't get that reference... I shouldn't get that reference... Do you know what that reference...

[01:18:27] Do you know what that means... Jack? I was a little zoned out... You said the... The water is clean... Mm-hmm... Or clear... Water's clear... Oh no... So if a... A gay man... No... Another gay man... Oh... The water's clear... What the hell does that have to do with Cedric? Thank you... I don't know... Sorry... Uh... Okay... Uh...

[01:18:54] But it's like he is warming them up... That's how it has to do... Cedric essentially is saying... There's no more chocolate pudding... The water... Is clear... That's... I just like how... Again... Cedric is using... His knowledge... His age... And like... And just very subtly... Yeah...

[01:19:24] Like telling this horror story... And being like... We survived it... And so like... Hey... If y'all wanna work with me... I got this knowledge... Again... I think not a lot of people are picking up on it... But I think it is working... Yeah... I mean... That speech you're talking about... Pre-swap... It was great... Like... Listening to it from home... I'm like... This guy's so wise... Like... He's got so much wisdom... And... He's like... Like even... A mat... Like... Being on one of those mats...

[01:19:54] And not knowing what they went through... I feel like just from Cedric... You could be like... It paints the whole picture... So... And also... You're getting it from this... This... Older gentleman... Who... Not that much older... I think he's like two years older than you... Wendell... Than you, Bryce... He's two... Two years younger than you... Two years older than you... So let's... Two years older than you, Bryce... I saw it... Cedric is 46... You're 48... Let's be real, Bryce... Wendell... You're older than me... Let's get it, Bryce... Wendell... You're older than me... You're older than me... You're older than me... Wendell... You're older than me...

[01:20:24] Let's go with it, Bryce... You're older than me... Let's get it, Bryce... Wendell... You're older than me... Cedric's twin brother... You're older than me... Bryce... Cedric calls you Unk... Okay... Like I said... Like I would say... Cedric... Literally last night... Had this crazy decision that he had to make...

[01:20:53] Like... He has been through it... So he's really... Like... He ain't playing no... He's telling them the truth... And he's an older gentleman... And... Yeah... They're... They're understanding it... And... Wait... Yeah... Yeah... He's telling the truth... But I know what he's doing... And Cedric listens to the podcast... Okay... And... Cedric... Does not disagree with the Godfather... It's... This new tribe is interesting too... With Cedric... Because... Sort of like...

[01:21:23] The new purple tribe... It's like... Okay... Cedric's connecting with Mitch... Say is connecting with Bianca... Chrissy is like... There... No... Not too much for Chrissy... Is that what you want Jack? Not too much for Chrissy though... Because Chrissy is clocking T... I actually... I actually do like where Chrissy's head is at... Yes... People are always like... Oh Bianca's the swing... We gotta get Bianca... But Chrissy's like... No... We can just get Bianca out...

[01:21:53] Which I think is actually not a bad idea... Um... Jack... I'm sorry... I meant Chrissy's there in the sense that like... She hasn't formed that bond as much with anybody... Obviously she's like... Moving and shaking... But she's not... Um... Like... In terms of the Cedric-Mitch connection... The say... Bianca connection... Chrissy's sort of like... Well I wasn't really working with Mitch... I guess now I am... And that's sort of the extent of the bond... But I like where her head's at... But she's loyal... And we see it because she wasn't really messing with Mitch...

[01:22:22] But she's willing to stay loyal... Also... I don't want... I don't want no smoke with Mitch... Because I also think Mitch is in a great position... I also think Cedric and Mitch having that conversation about stuttering... And like Mitch... Like one beautiful... CNN did a whole little piece on Mitch on TikTok... That was like absolutely great... And I think... Mitch is just so amazing... That it's like sometimes it's like... We don't even see that Mitch is different... And I think that... I love that about Mitch...

[01:22:51] And I love just like... Cedric taking that time to acknowledge Mitch... And them having that conversation... I thought it was very powerful... And I also feel like... Say and Cedric... They doing the same thing... Just different approaches... Right? Because I feel like Cedric is making connections with Mitch... You know? Not putting anybody down... Like you know... Just real life connecting... And Say is connecting with my girl Bianca... And I love it... And meanwhile Bianca doesn't have a vote...

[01:23:20] So Bianca just trying to like... Make sure that she... Bianca is playing... I also... I don't know why I feel like... In my mind... Bianca and Maddie... Are so similar... Right? And if Maddie could have stayed in longer... I feel like Maddie... Would have been very scrappy... Like a Bianca... So again... I love Bianca... She's killing it... It's a tough spot for Bianca... No... Like no... Former Loggies... No vote... So even if she is the swing vote... It's like... Awkward...

[01:23:50] News guys... I don't actually have a vote... I have a couple more questions... About the tribal... But I want to ask you guys... If this tribe goes to tribal... What do we think happens? Because there's some moving parts... I don't know... That... That's difficult... Because... I feel like... I really feel like... It's anybody but... It could be... Anyone but Mitch... What about you Wendell?

[01:24:22] I kind... I kind of agree... I kind of agree... Okay... I'm going to... Call a shot... And I would love if you guys... Would also... Narrow down to a name... Just because I'm curious... Like I mean... I get... But... I think... I think... What I... Think might... If it's tribal... It's tribal... Um... I feel like... Cedric, Mitch and Chrissy... Would stick together... Like... Like you guys said...

[01:24:52] Mitch is kind of the glue guy right now... He's got a good relation with Ced... Chrissy seems to want to stick with him... And then... Chrissy's sort of thrown Bianca out as an option... And you think about that... Say... If Say... Bianca's on the bottom... A... Ced is... Even... Ced's still going to ride for Say... And then Bianca... Doesn't have a vote... She's from Loggi... Which is a little bit dangerous... So I think it would be Bianca... Not like... You know... Through... Really through no fault of her own... But I... That's what I would be worried for...

[01:25:21] For Bianca... If you're saying for me to say a name... You've already said Bianca... I don't want to say this... But I'll say Chrissy... Only in the sense where... Chrissy has narrated to us... That Mitch hasn't been necessarily working with her... I feel like if... Setti... Still is messing with Say... And Say is with Bianca... And Setti brings Mitch... And Mitch... I could see Mitch being like... Well I'm not really with Chrissy... So... That's how I could come to the... The Chrissy conclusion...

[01:25:51] Even though... I don't want... No one from this drive to go... But I could... I could see that... But I definitely don't see... With the... The connection that Mitch and Cedric has made... I don't see it being Cedric... Because I feel like Mitch is in such a great position... Mitch ain't going to play with it... And so... There is a world... I don't want to say it... But there is a world where I could see Bianca as well... Because although... Say is putting out feelers... I do feel like... A part of putting out feelers is like... Okay...

[01:26:20] Just creating options... But... At the end of the day... She still will go with the majority... So... Anything can happen... I think that... That... Very, very interesting... When you lost your vote... You get it back after a tribal, right? Jack? Yeah... Okay... Okay... And speaking of... So... We started... And I want to end with...

[01:26:48] This crazy tribal that happened... And... I want to talk about this extra vote a little bit... And it's interesting... Because there's some things that I don't even know... If we know... And so... Before I get into the discussion of like... Should they have played this extra vote now... Or saved it? I'm curious... Because I've seen people saying... Differing things... Does an extra vote... Play again on a re-vote? Like if... If...

[01:27:18] Kyle extra voted... Thomas... And then they go... Say it ties... Like say he plays the idol wrong... And it's 3-3... On the re-vote... Does he get to vote again? I've heard a lot of people say yes... But I've also heard... People say that no... And I don't really know... And that matters a lot to me... Because... Like... I think in... Because... If he can vote again... Then... It's going to tie... Say Kyle played his idol for Camilla... And then it ties...

[01:27:47] And he gets to vote again... Well then it's going to tie on Thomas and Kyle... And then they're going to go to Rocks... And obviously Kyle and Camilla... Would both be safe... So they're going to force the Rocks... And then Shaheen and Joe... Would be drawing Rocks... So... Theoretically... With that knowledge... That the idol... Whoever you play the idol on... Doesn't matter... It just matters that you make somebody safe... And then of course you would play the extra vote... Because... Then you know you can force... You 100% are certain... You can get a...

[01:28:17] Loggie out... But... In my mind... I don't think the extra vote should be... Good on a re-vote... Because it's... I'm with you... It's an extra vote... You get one extra vote... But I've seen a lot of people saying... It does carry on... But do you guys... Do you guys know? I think I asked Q that yesterday... And he said... It only applies the first time... I also wonder... If you're on the island... And you have that question... Are you able to like... Ask that to a producer... And the answer is probably yes... See I...

[01:28:47] Yeah... I mean... I... Because I also... I would hope it's yes... But I also... I mean I saw someone theorize like... You probably... They probably wouldn't tell you... Because they want the chaos of... Right. Whatever that ensues... True actually... But... So... Okay... I think for the... The sake of this discussion... Let's assume that the... The extra vote does not play again on a re-vote... Then the question that I have is... Do you play this extra vote now? Or...

[01:29:16] Do you save it? And so... My sort of... And I'll lay out... Kind of my two sides to it... And then you guys let me know... Kind of what side you're on... Arguments for playing the extra vote... I think the main one is that... If Thomas went on a journey... And lost his vote... Then you play the extra vote... The idol doesn't even matter... You guys... Then they're good... Which is... I mean... If you think about a journey... It's about 50-50... That he might have lost his vote... So I think that's a great reason...

[01:29:46] Why you would... Play the extra vote... Like they did... Arguments against playing the extra vote... I think the main things are that... I feel like them searching their bag... In front of Camilla... Was a very, very... Genuine sign... That they were going to vote Kyle... Right? I agree. Right? And so once you have that... Understanding or... You know... Once you have that in mind...

[01:30:14] Then the idol is the only thing that matters... And you should save your extra vote... Because if they go to tribal again... It is still 2-2... But if they had their extra vote next tribal... Then it would be 3-2... Now... Again... I don't know if you need to be thinking ahead like that... Because you got to get to the tribal that you're about to go to... But if you're like... If you know 100% that they are voting for Kyle... Then you shouldn't play the extra vote... You should just... So then this... Then...

[01:30:43] Let me add a little more complication to this, Jack... Yeah. Do you think... Say you don't play the extra vote... But it is tied... And you have to vote again... Do you think you're allowed to then... Play your extra vote? I don't think you're allowed to... Okay. I think it's like an idol... Like you can't idol on a re-vote... You have to idol up top... Yeah. But it's... It is to me... It's really... Because it's... If you know they're going to vote for Kyle... Then obviously you save the extra vote...

[01:31:13] But then the question is like... How much does them searching his bag... Indicate that they are going to vote for him? Because at what point of uncertainty... Are you like... Well, it's just worth it for us... To get through this tribal... Put an extra vote on Thomas... In case he doesn't have a vote... And then the idol doesn't even matter... I don't... I don't know... Like I don't... Better safe than sorry... If you... Like... Get... Stay on the island the next day... Thomas... Yeah...

[01:31:42] Play with fire... Thomas went home with an extra bonus pocket... Yeah... I'm with that... It's... It's too many variables... Like... Yeah... You gotta do it... But also... Can we talk about... Kyle... For a second... When Camilla was telling him... They said... They checked your bag... Kyle said... They did? Did... Did they find anything? Camilla's like... No... He's like...

[01:32:11] Why didn't they find anything? Camilla's like... I don't know... Why didn't they find anything? He's like... They didn't find anything? Camilla's like... No... Be cool... Then Kyle goes then... It was... It's in my shoe... Kyle! Kyle! Your shoe is on your damn foot! What? What? What? Kyle! First of all... I was with... Kyle Jack... Like... I was like...

[01:32:40] Oh my God... Like... I was... I felt his nervous energy... The way I was like... I... I sat up... And mind you... Again... Keep how calm... Camilla was... Yeah... She's like... You're chill... You're good... Kyle said... Jeepers... Creepers... They went in my back... Camilla is like... Chill bro... My back... Camilla is like... Hey yo... Hey... Shut up...

[01:33:10] Did they find anything? And Camilla's like... If they did... What I'll be telling you right now... No... Chill... My bag... Camilla's like... Yes... Chill... I got you... How did they find anything? Camilla's like... I don't know... But I gotta go... They're coming... Alright... See you later... Wait... Camilla... It's in my shoe... They didn't find me... Because it's in my shoe...

[01:33:41] If I was Camilla... At that point in time... I would have went to Shaheen... And said... Kyle... Okay... But... That's also why... I love Kyle... Right? Like... I feel like Kyle is such a... Like... Kyle is such a nice person... That the fact that they went through his bag... Tripped him up... Like... He was like... Did they find it? Bro... You've been limping all day... Because that idol...

[01:34:11] Is on your heel... Like... That's why it's like... You just gotta love Kyle... Like... I really do... Like... But I just like... I was so confused at that Jack... I couldn't... Like... I was like... What's happening? Yeah... And... Yeah... I don't... You bring me... You reminded me... So I was a little... But you reminded me of a great point about Camilla too... That I really like... That... To me is a sign of a great, great player... And it was a little bit smaller... But her being the one to be like... Alright Kyle... You're gonna take my extra vote...

[01:34:40] I thought was really smart... Because she looked at it like... Objectively... That... A... If anything happens to her... Kyle... At least we'll have the extra vote... Right... If... If it does tie... Then... And maybe... You get to use the extra vote on a re-vote... Well then Kyle's obviously gonna be safe... So he's gonna get to vote again... Regardless... Um... Whereas if Camilla's in the tie... Then she loses her vote... And would lose her extra vote... Um... So I feel like to me... It just shows that Camilla...

[01:35:08] Knows the objective best move... And even if that means her giving her stuff away... To an ally... She's the one who's ready to pull the trigger on that... I think that is the sign of like a top tier player... Jack... I am ready to serve in the Camilla Terry... I am a Camilla meter... I like... I... I was a little like... Not weary on Camilla... But I feel like sometimes... With an archetype of Camilla... Like we see these people...

[01:35:38] Or these type of players getting picked off... Right? So I'm just like... I don't know how Camilla's gonna do... But... Yeah... Camilla is ready... We want you... And I want you too... Like I am a Camilla meter... Like I... She has won me over... I... Yeah she's... I mean... I see it... Like at the... At the trajectory she's at right now... Yeah it could be... I mean real early... It could be... One of the best new era... One of the best new era games for sure... But like... It's early... But you know... If she...

[01:36:08] We could have our second guy in these winner... She was so dialed in... First... Huh? If she won... She'd be her first... She'd be the second... She'd be the first... And also... Hey... Hey... Hey haters... Hater alert... Not the misogynistic... Picking a woman... Not a woman of color... Okay? So run till that... Run till that... I'm just... You know... Sometimes you gotta let them know Jack... Okay? So Jack... Are you ready to serve?

[01:36:39] Aye aye... Captain... acağımill grip... Wind easy... Are you ready to serve? Aye aye... Captain... Reporting for me... Camillimeters... She's gonna win a million dollars... Camilla... Camilla... Camilla... Camilla... Camilla... Camilla... Camilla... Camilla... Camilli... Camilla... Camilla... Camilionaire... I'm a young money carmillionaire!

[01:37:10] You got to put cut in front of it. Okay. I know that one. Who is it? Lil Wayne or Millie. No. How could you get that wrong, Jack? What do you mean? Jack, that's juvenile. What? Wendell. Oh, my God. How could you get that wrong? Is that... Jack, that's juvenile. Like, that's the...

[01:37:40] Yes. Look at him Google. It says Lil Wayne on my spot. Okay, all right. Listen, we're on YouTube. Don't play it. You're right, Jack. You're right. Okay, we were just messing with you. Y'all trying to gaslight me, really. Was that... Wait, was that like a... Did he sample someone else or that? No, it was all Lil Wayne. I was just choking your chicken, Jack.

[01:38:09] After the week I've had, y'all are going to come gaslight me about the smidgen of culture that I know for sure that I know. All right, Jack, I got one for you. Name me two juvenile songs. I don't even know who that is. I'm sorry. All right, name the set that Juvenile is with. If I don't know who they are, how would I know? Name... Just think.

[01:38:38] ...the city that he's from. Okay. I don't know who it is. How would I know what it is? Look, Jack, we're making it hard, but we're not making that hard. How would I... If I don't know who someone is, how would I know what... So normally when we say artist, it's probably... It's normally a play off of an artist that we've already talked about. So Lil Wayne? Yeah, so what city is Lil Wayne from?

[01:39:08] What is that? Are you kidding me? Is he from... I don't want to get it wrong, man. Oh, please do. I was going to guess Atlanta. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, clap. New Orleans, baby. Oh, right. All right. All right, well, listen. That's bad, Jack. Jack has been through enough this week.

[01:39:28] Jackery, we appreciate you for showing up, staying seven toes down, speaking your mind. Yeah. We love, we respect you. We will... Hopefully, I'm going to have to be ready tomorrow when this goes back. I don't want... I really don't want more... Like, I don't even want to be arguing. I'm just going to... I'm just defending my... I hope this doesn't spiral into more.

[01:39:58] It's like, that's not what... I don't do this to try to argue with people. Like, I'm not... You need five minutes. Well, that's... You know, I had a lot... I had a lot of people come for me for things that I thought were pretty reasonable, so... And they won't come back for you. And if they do it... Like, I'm ready to... But that's the thing. I don't... I don't do this podcast with the intention of, like, making anybody feel bad about themselves or... You know, like, but... And I think... I think people get that. And I also think that, like, say is...

[01:40:27] Well, look, I'm... What am I? Twitter beef number, like, 75 of the season. Like, I don't... It's not a big deal. Like... What... What I'm also just... She's probably had a lot more since she called me out. So, it really isn't... Jack, you don't even use Twitter. So, I was just confused at how, like, you know... Jack... Well, when you send it to me, I'm going to get on there and have a word. Um... Well, listen, Jack. We love you. You're the best. We got your back. It's all love. The posse's here.

[01:40:56] The Jack Shack is here. You are now a Camillometer. And we're here. This has been Survivor News. Season 48. Episode 4. We'll be back next week. Covering episode 5. Episode 5.

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