Purple Pants Podcast | Legends, Twists, and Tea: The Survivor 50 Cast Reveal

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[00:00:54] Hello, hello and welcome to the Purple Pants Podcast Survivor News Edition. I serve as your humble and oh so gracious host, Bryce Isaiah. And I thank you so much for tuning into our special edition of Survivor News 50. If you could be so kind to ensure you are subscribed to the Purple Pants Podcast. And as always with your Survivor News, you can watch this audio podcast on video.

[00:01:20] Head over to the Bryce Isaiah YouTube channel, click subscribe, give this video a thumbs up, and let us know in the comments what you think about this special 50 episode. Wendell Jack and I had to come back together for Survivor News. CBS this Wednesday recently dropped the cast of Survivor 50. Wendell Jack and I are giving our takes on what we think about the players, the potential, or the possible, or who are going to be from 49. What we think about 48.

[00:01:50] What we think about old school, new school. We are breaking it all down. So let's get into this Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News.

[00:02:20] Survivor News. Dot, dot, dot. And we are back with your Survivor News. The Survivor streets are rumbling from my bedroom of me and Ozzy. But, uh, outside of that, Survivor 50 cast has officially dropped and your baby boys are here to break it down. You thought we would leave you? Let's welcome back to the podcast.

[00:02:47] The first merge boots of winners at war and the winners of Ghost Island. When DZ Holland was popping with you. I am back. I'm ready to go. I'm excited to talk about 50. Uh, the Survivor streets are buzzing. Oh, buzzing they are. And from the West Coast to the East Coast, we have the baby boy, Jack Emily Atkins from The Circle Season 2. Jack was popping.

[00:03:18] I just got a call yesterday. I got cut from 50. So. Oh. Now. Okay. Well, let's just jump right on into this because I was, you know me, I was on the phone window earlier. How shocked were you to hear that Penner was cut last minute? I don't know. I don't know. My shock levels, I don't know. But my disappointment levels, definitely high. I wish we, I wish we would have had Penner.

[00:03:46] There's a lot of snubs, I think, um, for this cast that we'll get into. But overall, you know, the cast can't be perfect in everybody's eyes. You can't make everybody happy. And overall, I'm, I'm, I'm optimistic. I think there's a lot of people that I'm really excited to see back. Uh, I'm really excited to see certain people interact with each other. I think there's the foundation here for a good season. Uh, and of course there's a couple other favorites I had that I wish were there, but

[00:04:15] you know, you can't have it all. You can't have it all. Okay. What is you, what was your guys' reaction? I was about to ask Wendy's that. Cause I, I, uh, you want me to give my reaction first, Wendy's? Or what, you want to go? Well, I'll go ahead. I'll, I'll go. Well, my baseline is if I'm looking at this cast, I'm happy. I think it's going to be a fun, entertaining season. I'm, I'm saying that off rip.

[00:04:42] Like, yes, there are some favorites that, um, we'd say got snubbed or some people we really wanted, but just looking at this cast, I'm like, I'm excited to see this group of people play with each other. Um, it spans, it spans the whole, you know, the whole, however many years Survivor's been going on, but, uh. It's a big chunk though, but you know, it does span the whole. Yeah. Yeah. They missed what was it like from 18 to like 35, they were like one person or something like that.

[00:05:12] But overall, when I look at this group, I'm like, wow, there are so many people that I want to see and see them interact with each other and stuff. So I'm happy. Um, but I'm sure we'll get into the other things that we are so happy about. Well, you're asking me, I think again, looking at this cast, I'm excited as a Survivor fan seeing these people, I'm excited.

[00:05:38] What I didn't, what I don't love or did not love. I didn't love the rollout of this cast, right? Like I didn't love the, it felt very forced season 48 just ended. Where's the hype around season 49? It's like, y'all just skipped 49 and jumped to 50. And then with CBS releasing this image, if you're watching on YouTube, uh, I feel like Jack, did you make this image?

[00:06:06] Like, I feel like it just seemed like. They need to get tricky on the image, Tom. They gotta use tricky. And who made the logo for this season? That's maybe the worst part. Apparently this is the actual logo and not just some like, you know, little teaser logo. This is like the season logo. And it looks like something I made on clip art back in elementary school. I mean, uh, yeah.

[00:06:34] And what determined, are these all the cast photos exactly? Or like what made them choose? Right. Yeah. You got, you got Ozzy's high school graduation photo up there. I think they put the graphic design for this season in the hands of the fans. Okay. But I know I wouldn't even say that because in the hands of the fans, the fans would have turned out something better than this. Right. And so that is just my only gripe with this season is I don't love the rollout.

[00:07:03] Like y'all could have waited a week until y'all had them out there and like had them all wear tan. And just, I don't know, just the rollout for me could have been a lot better. It just seemed rushed. Like they were like, oh, we gotta get up. We gotta, we gotta get it out there. I think, I think they wanted to get ahead of things. I think there, I think like maybe a week ago, what as things were leaking, I think they were like, look, these fools go out on Tuesday or Wednesday, whatever. We're going to release it as soon as they're out.

[00:07:32] As soon as we take their phones, because we know that the lists are out there and people are going to be speculating. Let's get ahead of it. But yeah, I guess by the time it rolls around come next February or whatever, there's going to be better press that we can bank on. But yeah, for a monumental milestone, it's a little bit like, uh, it's a minor complaint, but it was just kind of fun.

[00:08:00] That's all because again, I am hyped for this cast. Like y'all said, I'm hyped to see everyone interact. I think, you know, I would have, could have picked some other people, but for the people that they have picked, I, I, I love it. And I just, I, I don't love the rushed feeling about it. And again, I put myself on 49. If I'm on 49, it's like, hello, uh, this isn't, uh, a high rise or a hotel. You ever noticed that high rise buildings are hotels. Uh, they don't have the 13th floor.

[00:08:30] Uh, it's like the 12th or the 14th or they'll do the lobby as the first floor. And then they'll have a floor. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 14. You know, bad luck. It's given like, what, what is season 49? The 13th floor? Like, hello. That's a, that's just my one complaint. And then again, like y'all as, as y'all corralled them in LA, you could have an intern snapping

[00:08:59] a photo, like a passport photo and then stitched it together for you. I don't know if that would have been better though. It was just them at the airport with like their TSA photo. Like it would have been if they had a real ID. Right. It would have been some uniform, some like, it's just like, again, like it's like, I feel like we got Ceri's first work ID. Okay. We got Jonathan on the beach. We got like, yeah, but. We got Colby's modeling headshot back when he was like 25.

[00:09:29] But nevertheless, we do have a season and we are excited. I mean, they are missing some notable things. I still do have a work retreat in a couple of weeks. So I am going on my work retreat. Okay. But let's, uh, let's dive into the cast and see, uh, what we got or any more thoughts? Uh, yeah. So more recently I've gotten some DMS like, Oh man, I wish you were on 50. Oh, they snuck. First of all, I wasn't.

[00:10:01] Wendell DMS from your mom and dad. Do not. I'm going to get into that one. We're working on it. We're working on it, Bryce. Wendell got a DM from his mom. Let's so we're clear. But what were the DMs saying? No, she can't DM. So I know your mom DMs all the time. Okay. DMs you. We got to just work on a profile photo, but we'll get to here. May I, may I finish? Tell us about your DMS from your mom.

[00:10:33] No, I'm not going to show you receipts, Bryce, but I've been getting messages like, yo, we, we wish you were on, yo, what have you retired all this stuff? And in my head, I'm like, first of all, I didn't think they were considering winners. Obviously they grabbed a couple, um, which is great to see. It's going to make the dynamic interesting. But from my perspective, I'm like, I just played 50 with a 40 with a bunch of winners, just maybe a few years back, whatever.

[00:11:00] But I am of the school of thought where I'm like, I've, I've now played twice. I want to see more people play. Like I have no problem not getting a call for 50 and I'm happy with that. Um, of course, if, if ever they call me, I'll go back out there, but I'm, I'm good and content. And I wasn't thinking I was going to get a call. However, yesterday morning, the, the day of the drop from CBS, when like pros was on at whatever, 8 30 AM sharp, I'm playing basketball in the morning. I'm like, you know, get my workout in.

[00:11:28] I get in the car, I'm driving to, um, I'm driving home and I get a phone call from my parents. Not, not them together. They both roll on the phone. They're both on the phone. When senior son, we just want you to know that we still love you. I'm like, yo, is everyone okay? Did someone like, is something, are you guys, is something happening? What?

[00:11:56] They're like, we saw the list for survivor 50. I'm like, what? I was like, guys, I'm good. I'm okay. I, I, furthermore, I didn't think I was on or getting that call. They wouldn't have known by that. But I guess it was a big shocker to them and whatever. So I guess they didn't even know that they had already flown out or something, but yeah,

[00:12:24] I just, I guess if you think about it, the, you played and then the only returning season since you were on that too. So they're like, our boy's going to be on every returning season. That's what I think they think when it's really like, there are so many factors at play when they make these returning seasons, but I can't explain that to Neetza when senior. I'm just like, guys, I, I appreciate y'all. Thank you guys. It's just the fact that your dad calls your mom. Okay. They're at home.

[00:12:53] He's home now. But it was the landline or they had you on speakerphone? On the speakerphone. Oh, I think that's even worse. Ah, that's even worse. It's because you didn't tweet anything about getting cut last minute. How are they supposed to know? I should have been, I should have kept the people updating, the people being my parents. That is hilarious. Okay. You brought up another subject that I do want to talk about.

[00:13:19] Again, I am very happy for this season, but some of my initial disappointments was seeing two winners return, right? And I love both the winners. I think both of the winners that are on this returning season, I believe it's D and Kyle. I think they played amazing games, but like, I also just feel like I don't want no winners. That's why there's only two. I mean, I know, but. I think it adds a good, a good little dynamic and threat level, a good little dynamic and threat level.

[00:13:49] Cause you have D and, and some, you also have flipping, right? And then you have Kyle and you have Camilla and you have Joe. So you have, I, what I love about this is we're seeing like these little duos, trios, whatever people from the same eras and stuff. So I think it's just enough threat level to, I guess, not allow for a winners at worst situation where all the, uh, whatever older folks got picked off or something.

[00:14:14] Um, there's still some eyes on these two younger, great, very recent players. So I, I kind of like that. There are just two. Right. And again, I'm not mad at the winners. I think D played a hell of a game. So it's like, I actually want to see her back in the fold to see how she kind of maneuvers this. And Kyle plays such a great game. I almost have more of a gripe with Kyle being back. And again, I love Kyle and I'm excited. He's out there, but he just won.

[00:14:44] Like, you know, you just won. So I get that, but that's the only like the internal me, the, the external me is like, yes, we love Kyle. Now, also, I guess if, uh, if you host on fire podcast, I guess that means you're a shoe in for a returning season. Unless your name is Rachel. The on fire pipeline to season 50 is crazy, huh? Cause I mean, it's, it's all of the hosts, but Rachel.

[00:15:14] Um, and again, I could see maybe why not Rachel in the sense of like not having winners. And I can see like a most recent winner and heaven, but I mean, to see Rachel and Genevieve back on the Island. Ah, listen, listen, I'm saying if y'all are. And again, if this is the fire and ice or fire, what's the name of Jeff pot fire on fire.

[00:15:44] And this is the on fire pipeline. Well, who was the first host? What did that say? Rick Evans. And it was Charlie 45. Yeah. We got Rick Evans. Well, no, cause the first season, they didn't have a special fan, whatever. Then it was like the next season. Then it was on the first one for 45. Right. Okay. 46, 47. And then Rachel 48. Is that right? And then Charlie. Yeah. Yeah. I said, yeah. Charlie for 47. And then Rachel 48.

[00:16:15] So yeah, there's only four people to click from, but I know, I know what you mean. Well, okay. So also that's another, that could be another little liars out there. The five, five, on fire. It's so many different connections. Also, I do just want to take the time. What you about to say? I was just going to say shout out to the on fire pod because Jay, the producer, was definitely at our finale event. He definitely was at the Bryson win.

[00:16:41] And the night before the cast leaked, Wendell and I were on the phone and we were like, just talking about the potential cast. Cause you know, after we recorded our last survivor news episode, Jack immediately was like, Hey guys, from a credible source, this is a potential cast leak and sent it to us. And so we had the potential. And so, uh, Wendell and I, I think it was right. I think for the most part it was right.

[00:17:11] But what I loved though, was like while Wendell and I were on the phone, he randomly sent me a photo of like Sarif from our first watch party. And then I sent him a photo of Jonathan. And then he sent me a photo of coach. And I sent him my, my booty cheeks with Aussie. And I sent it three times cause he didn't acknowledge it. Uh, but what I, I did love, pardon. I said, and I'm still not going to acknowledge it. Who took the photo of Wendell? You got these Twitter streets in an uproar.

[00:17:41] Okay. So that's what I'm talking about. I know Bryce and Aussie was a thing. Somebody was like, I'm disgusting. Okay. There's somebody, there's somebody up in the comments was like, I ain't know Bryce was so thick. Okay. I eat my rice and cabbage. Bitch. Anyway. Okay. The DM's been off, been, the DM's been on fire. Okay. Um, but what?

[00:18:12] Somebody on my Instagram was like, not to Britchard. Posse y'all are a mess, but no back to the lore. Right. So then we're doing, I, uh, not back to my lore. Uh, cause it's sick. Half your DM's were like, why aren't you on 50? The other half were like, why aren't you on Aussie? Okay. Okay. You know how sometimes you gotta, before they leave out the house, you gotta make sure the tank is. Anyway.

[00:18:40] Um, what I would say was that after the conversation, Wendell and I had about like 15 photos and we were like, you know what? When they drop the cast of 50, we should post these photos. And there was a couple of people, shout out to our bestie Natasha in LA. Hey, she said this like such a message. Uh, just a heartfelt message. Like, wow. Like the impact of Bryson Wynn, even on 50. It's so cool for you guys to post these photos of these people at your event. And so I don't know.

[00:19:09] I just love that. Uh, and. Maybe there'll be some Bryson Wynn lore that makes the episode like, oh, they, they met at the Bryson Wynn event and they, they have to be in an alliance now. Because it's like the Poker Alliance. Hey Sandra, we have us yeah long enough to see. Hello Nadine. Man, you look great. Yes, thank you. I found my plus for the healthy I. What? Come, I'll show you.

[00:19:45] And start with our Self-Check. Ganz einfach online auf AOK.de. Aus Liebe zur Gesundheit. AOK+. Here's my last little take. You know, Wendell and I still are tapped in with casting and stuff. And I did get a message, a couple of messages from casting. And essentially they were saying like, we appreciate you and Wendell being so hyped and positive about Season 50.

[00:20:16] And obviously I guess that some of the fans just aren't happy or like. Hey fans, we not going to always get what we want, but let's work with what we got. OK, I think this will be a great season. And also to casting. Good to know you still got my number. Good to know you still checking the Instagrams. OK, good to know. Got it. OK. Use it. Now they want to call you.

[00:20:45] You keep that positivity up. Bryce, you've been so positive. We would love to get you all 52. Season 100. Bryce, you've been so positive. Can you repost this for us? OK. Bryce, I know we secretly got rid of the diversity of this shit. And let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. Because, hey, when I'm looking at this cast, I'm trying to figure out where is my Latinos?

[00:21:15] Where is the Asian community? Where is the LGBTQ plus community? Like, there are some questions that I do have that, yes, you do got Sari. Yes, you do got Q. Yes, you do got Ozzy. But, like, that also was something that did come to my mind if we're having an open and honest conversation.

[00:21:39] I think there are a few Latinos, but I think I don't think that I don't think the 50% is met. I think I don't want to. I think we need to go back to the drawing board. My thinking on it and I'm not even working in casting. I think diversity is incredibly important. That's something I, you know, learn more about from your guys initiative.

[00:22:07] I think with a season like this. And, yeah, let me finish my point too. I think with a season like this, I understand them not necessarily. Well, okay. I think it's even more important. Sorry, sorry, sorry. You want our land. You want our land. It's going to land. I understand, like, on any new player season, like, keep the initiative up. Give everybody, you know, a chance.

[00:22:34] But this, if you're picking the best of the best, not necessarily that this is that, then I don't want them to have to feel like they have to, like, shoehorn certain people in. You said you don't want DEI on 50? Is that what you're saying? No, no. But here's where I'm going to land is, like, if you feel like that's not the best of the best. But certain people that didn't make the cut that I think absolutely should have would have also fulfilled, like, you know, boosted the diversity, like a Jesse Lopez. And so that's my question. He's not on it, though.

[00:23:04] Exactly. So that's why I question it is because it's not like we're thinking about, like, oh, who else could have made it? Like, and we're not, we're struggling to come up with potential people that would fulfill that. That, that's why I'm, I'm like, that's where the diversity, I question the lack of diversity is because we could have had a Jesse Lopez. We could have had a, a Sidney Gillen from Co-Rong. Like, those options were out there. So that's why I don't, like, my point is they don't have to do it just to do it.

[00:23:33] But because there are those people that are available, then I think that they should be sticking to that. The whole thing with DEI is we're not just doing it just to do it. Well, exactly. These are capable, amazing people. And in the case, like, it's, it's like a Jesse Lopez right now. He's one of the greatest to come out in the last however many years. He should be on this cast. It's not a, oh, we're doing it just to do it. It's a, hey, these mofos have been historically looked over.

[00:24:03] They are as capable. Now, sit in this position and take care of it. Do you think there's a slight difference between a new player season where you want everyone to? I do. I do. I, I, I think, I think, I think diversity matters even more on a season like this. I think it matters more on a season like this because it is such a monumental season. You will have the eyes.

[00:24:31] So let's show them what diversity can actually look like. And I think, again, it levels the playing field for the list of potential returning seasons. Also, the first winner of Survivor was an openly gay man. I mean, I agree. We do have Mike White. We do have Mike White. I do. I forgot about that. I'm just saying like, I just. It's still pretty diverse. Like, again, it doesn't hit the 50%.

[00:24:59] And I think the reason I think it should is because those options were there. It's giving, you know, when you're back in school and there are the Crayola boxes and it's the, the one box with six colors. Then it's the 16. Then it's the 32. We definitely are getting the six Crayola crayons. I'm with you. I wish it was 50%, but go to the cast photo.

[00:25:26] So I think if there's 24 people, I think 10 of them or 11 of them are like Sari, Ozzy, Q, Kyle, Camilla, Mike White, Tiffany, D, I think Angelina, Joe. I mean, how many? That's like 10. Right. So I wish it was 12. I wish. What's what's Mike White? Oh, he. Gay. Yeah. But I mean, also assimilates. But yeah. But yeah.

[00:25:56] I don't know if it's a different conversation. Is that my box? I'm asking a real question. Oh, no. I just meant in terms of diversity, like sexuality, diversity, you know. And that is important. How do those all need to combine into the same metric? I'm just saying. I can look here and I'm counting one, two, three, four. Like I count one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, potentially eight white men.

[00:26:25] I mean, I'm not. It could definitely be better. That's all I'm saying. And again, but we. Yeah. So I me personally. Again, I'm still happy with this cast. But again, I think that diversity matters even more. And I think as opposed to a new season, I think a returning season like this. I think it matters even more. And it's our job to mention that. Yeah. That's right. That's right. And I'm still seated. I'm still online. I'm still in it, but I'm just playing it.

[00:26:51] Not to admit, my point was that it should have been better because there are those qualified people that did not make the list, you know. And then talking about a different split. What do you guys think about this new era versus old era split? Because it's 12 and 12. But you look at the new era and 11 of them are from 45 to 49. One of them are from 41 to 44. And then before that, we really don't have. We have a couple from the 30s. No new players from the 20s.

[00:27:20] And then a couple old, old schoolers. Yeah, I definitely think it puts the old schoolers at a disadvantage because I see people like a Mike White. I see people like Angelina assimilating into the new school era, right? Like, and so I feel like it makes me worry for my people like Jenna. Like, you know, like, it's just easier numbers wise. But again, we'll have to see how they split the tribes up. We could be a two season tribe.

[00:27:49] Could be a three season tribe. But I mean, I think with the colors that we voted for, it was three. But it could have been pre-merge and a merge. Not just like the three colors. But again, overall, I'm excited. I think looking at, I like how it's 12 and 12. 12 pre-40 and 12 after 40. I think the imbalance with it skewing to the later seasons in 40 is a little bit interesting.

[00:28:16] But I like that it's 12 and 12. And I'm interested to see how it goes. Like again, in Winners at War, it wasn't a coordinated effort. But the people from the older seasons got picked off first. And I'm interested to see how things go this time. I don't think that that's going to happen. I think that there's a possibility that that can happen. I think that we might be surprised, though. I think it might.

[00:28:46] I think that. And then what do we think about the idea of, okay, so 11 of the 24 from the last 45 through 49. This idea of like recency bias in Survivor casting. We see it on a lot of all-star seasons, right? Like second chances, we had a lot of people from 30, 29, 28. Winners at War, we had a big straight like Nick, Wendell, Ben, Sarah, Adam. Like all the winners.

[00:29:15] Do we feel like the recency stuff is important with the casting in terms of keeping people engaged with newer people? Or do we wish it was just like recency out the window, best people from any time ever? I think. Go ahead, Bryce. I think, and I feel like I get this from Wendell a little bit, but I definitely think they are trying to feed the franchise.

[00:29:39] And I think the younger, the newer cast is what's bringing in the younger audience or the younger audience might just be more familiar with them. So from a standpoint like that, I understand it. Bryce, I was going to say just that like we have to like, you got to wear a few hats when you're looking at this franchise. And one is like the business hat and understand like the direction and whatnot and say, you know what?

[00:30:07] There was a lot of noise just made in this in 48. And who knows what's going to happen in 49. So they grabbed a couple of them. And so like we're going to make sure we keep whatever this momentum is and move forward with that. And I think that's why it's skewed. Yeah.

[00:30:23] But see, I also feel like hearing the discourse being on Reddit, being on Twitter and seeing what the people are saying, it definitely gives a disconnect from Survivor and the fan base. Right. Because again, like that's what I'm thinking. I'm like, oh, they want to keep the younger fan base and they're going to eventually get older. And so like I get that. But also it's like some of these young kids is talking old school heavy names.

[00:30:51] And so that's why I feel like it's such a disconnect at times. And it's hard to please everybody. But what you got? That's a great point, Bryce. I think there's another layer to the disconnect of Survivor production. You also consider like CBS's hand and everything. That might be different. That's right. There's the hardcore fans that are going to be on Reddit that are rooting for those old school names. But then you think about the fans, the casual fans, the everyday American who's not on Reddit, who just tunes in every season and watches.

[00:31:19] And for better or for worse, like I think that's why recency bias is important because those fans might see a Joe Hunter and be like, oh, I just saw him. Like, I'm excited to watch him.

[00:31:28] And they might not see like a Shane Powers or a Sean Rector and really know who that is, even though I think having a Shane Powers or a Sean Rector would probably make for better season of Survivor than, I mean, not a Joe specifically, but maybe someone who's recent who doesn't have as strong of a legacy or, you know, not to call it. But just as a general recent person versus an old school sort of legend that might not be getting the look.

[00:31:56] But I guess in casting, that's sort of the reason, because if you stack the cast with people from like the Survivor, like teen era, like the teens as in like 11 through 19 or 20s, the casual viewer might not be as excited to watch. So it's kind of a balance of like what's going to make the season better, but what's going to get people to tune in. If they're looking at viewership and they're if they're seeing viewership go up after a while or whatever, and it's like starting to climb again, then, yeah, I think it makes sense.

[00:32:26] And again, like they have to think of all those things, Jack, especially like. Yeah. And when you mentioned like a Sean Rector and I don't want to like feed any gossip or false narratives, I thought I saw a tweet saying something like he said he pulled out after after hearing that Vesepia wasn't going or something like that. That may or may not be true. I might have seen that already or something like that. And then I feel like when it came to Penner, I feel like I read something that it might have been health related or something like that.

[00:32:56] But again, I don't want to spread any any, you know, because I've also seen him tweeting that, you know, he's well, yeah, who knows why certain people didn't make it or did make it. But I just mean that the sentiment of like those old school players like a Sean, like a Shane, like a Natalie Bolin, like a I mean, Rob Sesterney is a little bit different because of the empire he's built. But obviously being an old schooler, it's like the average viewer who doesn't know what our hat is might not remember a Rob, even though I think him being on the season would make for great TV.

[00:33:26] And it's like, how do we hook the people to the audience to come watch? But then how do we have great characters to keep them watching? But also remember that in some of these seasons, like a Sean Rector season, that's what Survivor had 20 million views. Right. And so Sean Rector is not my favorite person in the world.

[00:33:44] But what I will say is, is that the amount of discourse that I saw of people being excited for him to potentially be on the season, it lends to the fact of like maybe some of during the bigger seasons. They had like it could pull in. And so how much if how much if you're a company, do you look to gain new followers? Keep your old keep the base in.

[00:34:12] Why isn't a marketing tactic to maybe go back a little like, you know, go back and tap some of the old fans on the shoulders. Hey, hey, hey, hey. I'm sure these are conversations they're having at CBS like every day leading up to this. You know what I mean? But the last thing I'll say, and I don't want to. Sorry. Remember when we compared Survivor to the challenge, Bryce, I think you and I spoke candidly with one of each other.

[00:34:38] And essentially, I said, like, when I've been to like the challenge events, it looks like it just looks older. And I think CBS with Survivor, I think they're trying their best to like continue to pour in and grab the the younger audience and cultivate that. And I think that's what's one of these reasons why Survivor has been so successful.

[00:35:00] So, yeah, I think I think they're doing their best to keep on like to try to gain more and pour into the young people, especially. And it's obviously a balancing act. And speaking of season one, we have Jenna Lewis from season one. She plays eighth place and on Survivor All Stars. She plays third place. I know a lot of people I'm excited for her.

[00:35:29] I know a lot of people when it came to this conversation, they're like, where's Jerry? And it's like, mind you, I love me some Jerry, too. But I I don't necessarily remember Jenna from season one as I wasn't born yet. But I definitely remember her in All Stars. And I'm excited to have her back. Yeah, I mean, it's fun to have some Borneo representation. Jenna, I think, is a is a strong game player.

[00:35:57] I think she'll adapt pretty well to the new era and be ready to go. Season one. I mean, there's a couple other great season one. One people that would have been awesome, like a Greg Weiss or a Colleen Haskell. But who even knows? A Ramona. I mean, but who even knows? Well, Jervis was on Blood vs. Water. You know what I mean? But yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I think Jenna is going to be a lot of fun.

[00:36:21] It's cool to have someone from the original 25 years later and just kind of see how it shakes out. It's someone who hasn't played, obviously, since season eight. So I kind of love those old school people because it's a whole it's like, what have they been up to the last 15, 20 years? Like they might come into the game as like basically a whole new player. And that's something that's exciting rather than seeing someone who played, you know, a year ago where it's like, all right, it's going to let me think they can be a fan favorite. But it's going to be a pretty similar style.

[00:36:50] It's a pretty similar story. So. Okay. Well, we could go on to Colby Donaldson from the Outback. Second place from All Stars. 12th place. Good to know that him and Jenna have played together. Again, I also do love the connections that at least everyone has with at least two people, which is interesting.

[00:37:18] And then heroes versus villains is where I remember him the most from season or any place, fifth place. So I don't really remember that much about Colby, but I'm interested to find out what he looked like now. And yeah, I think Colby is an interesting one for me because. Kind of universally considered, you know, was it was the American hero sort of his first few seasons. Heroes versus villains was kind of a dud.

[00:37:48] I think he would even like he kind of lost his will to compete on that season. Like he there was that quote he had that he felt like Superman in a fat suit. Like he wasn't the same old Colby that he had once been. And now it'll be interesting. Fifteen years later, pretty much. Is it like what version of Colby are we going to get? That to me is what's intriguing. And I hope we get that.

[00:38:13] I mean, you know, it's been so long since he's played now that I'm hoping he comes in with a new revitalized perspective of the game. I know he's not necessarily the most, at least on Heroes versus Villains, there's that conversation he had with like Candace where he was like trying to figure out who people even were. So it's like. He's ending on like a journey and he gets a knowledge is power. I'm curious for it. He's going to go to he's going to go to Jenna. Jenna, what is this? Like, I don't know.

[00:38:41] Colby going to have some problems on this season. Put him with Q. Only three, three tribes. Absolutely. You know, right. But also it's interesting that you just said, though, Jack, you said like he was one of the original like. Golden boys. And so how interesting is it to have a him, a Jonathan and now a Joe, right? A similar evolved archetype to see how they will play together.

[00:39:11] Like, again, some of these like themes that as we talk with different people and seeing the other people on the season, with them, that is as the survivor fan in me. That's what makes it so interesting. On Heroes Villains, didn't didn't coach have a wrestling challenge with Colby? Colby. And I feel like coach got the best of him, if I'm not mistaken.

[00:39:39] Oh, again, I wasn't born or I wasn't like able to cognitively remember at that point in time. Maybe I don't remember fully, but I feel like you might be right. I feel like definitely or Colby definitely was not on his same challenge game. And that's a great point, though, because now you're we're thinking about a couple of these old scores. We're all on Heroes vs. Villains together. And that's an iconic season. It'll be interesting. What's the dynamic between like a Colby, a Sarie, a coach going to be like out here?

[00:40:09] Then we got Stephanie Kendrick, who played on Panama, seventh place, Guatemala, second place, and Heroes vs. Villains, 19th place. I'm excited. I think that she looks I think she looked better than she did back then.

[00:40:28] And she's a player and she's one of the older school players that I'm excited about, where I feel like there's going to be a resurgence of her in some way, shape or form. That's going to be able to assimilate into this new like again. I think of could you imagine Stephanie and Adi together? Right. Like I just it's. The way that I could see people working together excites me.

[00:40:56] And I just I feel like Stephanie still has the will, the knack. I've recently seen her. She looks Stephanie looks great. Yeah, she's a strong. She's strong. She's still. I feel like we saw it at Hearts recently or something. And didn't she do the traitors with the re? Mm hmm. Come on, connection. Come on. I don't know if she was on the same traitors as the raiders. Or was she? So, yeah, yeah. Well, because three won season one of the traitors. Stephanie was.

[00:41:26] OK, so. Well, yeah. Well, regardless, like I might be wrong. I don't know. In the game, like she's, you know, playing the traitors. It's a different game of Survivor, but it gets you back in the game. And so I think it'll be I think she'll be strong out there. It'll be great to see her. Yeah. I'm interested to see. Initially, I wasn't like crazy thrilled. But I do think as an old schooler, like she's got game. She's not afraid of, you know, a little confrontation or to stir the pot.

[00:41:56] So I think she'll be good representation for the old school to adapt to the new era. But I mean, the traitors show that. But also thinking about like, OK, she was just on the traitors. So we kind of saw like if you were missing Stephanie, well, you just saw a little bit. So now it's like, you know, hopefully she comes out that way and plays hard. And, you know, she's a strategist. She's physical. She's social. So, yeah, I think. I think. Yeah. And before we go to the next person, let's let me just be clear.

[00:42:27] That sometimes I do be like, OK. Oversaturated. We've seen this somebody multiple times. Normally, I'm like, I don't need to see them anymore. OK. But let me just be clear. Got to be sweet. This person could be on the prices, right? This person could be on Judge Judy. This person could be on Survival 1 through 45. This person could have played the challenge. This person could have been on the traitors.

[00:42:53] This person could be knocking at my door right now trying to sell me solar panels on my roof. There will never be a time that I will say it is too much of mother. Mother Serif feels. OK. You got it right, CBS. You got this one right. OK. Period. And that's all I got to say. And I will take no slander. So Jack and Wendell, tread lightly.

[00:43:22] And Wendell. Yeah. Because everything better be perfect. Serif is family. Period. We know. We'll be on the people's court. We know Jared as. Pooh. Exactly. We are family. So there will be no slander over here. Jack, watch your word. Yeah. Now, Jack. I mean, I love. I love Serif. What's your honest opinion? Oh, well, if you want the honest. I love Serif.

[00:43:51] And like you said, you can kind of have her on anything. And you're always going to enjoy it. What's your honest opinion? I'm getting there. You say no slander. And you can't even let me like. Like. She's never. She never misses. But just my one thing is. I heard a butt. All right. OK. I heard a butt. OK. Bye, Jack. OK. We don't need you. He out of here. He out of here like window and winners at war.

[00:44:22] The thing I'm interested in seeing is that she's done a lot of shows recently. Traitors, Big Brother. She did Australian Survivor, which I think is coming out before this. I'm curious to see what Serif is going to bring to this season that we haven't seen before. Now, Serif can just be there and be Serif and it's going to be great. So you can never go wrong by having her on the cast. But she's played Survivor. If you include Australian Survivors. He said butt. He said butt again. He said butt again.

[00:44:50] He might be permanently banned. Only butts we need to be seeing is on my Instagram with Ozzy. OK. OK. I just think that. I think a lot of people would agree. Like it's been a lot of. Like I love Serif. But it's just a lot of Serif. So I'm hoping. He said butt again. He said butt. I don't know what he's like. Jack. This could be a. Man. Jack. Do I have to go say it on you? Because you always loud. You're right. That was. That was three.

[00:45:19] That was three strikes on the butt. So I'll leave it be. But yeah. I love Serif. I love Serif. Random though. Am I scrolling through TikTok? What I say is a post. All I see is the comment of Jack saying loud and right. That took me out, Jack. OK. It was with Mitch. I had to show love. But again, I think. Serif is interesting because.

[00:45:47] Any game she plays or any season she's on. Taking her out is always a challenge. Like if you're able to successfully do it. It's always like an interesting tribal. It's always a scramble. It's always a hustle. So just her being there is going to add that dynamic. And also I'm curious to see with like the newer players. They might have. Look at Serif with a lot of reverence. I'm like, that's Serif. Like she's a legend. I'm curious to see. Are they. Are they. She's a legend. And we need to take her out. Or is she a legend.

[00:46:16] We all want to work with Serif because she's a legend. But then you might have some old schoolers that play with her. And like heroes versus villains that voted her out. Like a Colby. That are just like. I don't care about Serif. So it'll be interesting to see. She's just got. Like her. Like her name carries so much weight. That it's sort of like. How is that going to send ripple effects through. Survivor 50. She's not the only person that's going to be on this season. That name carries weight. Okay. Some of y'all know him as Ozzy. I know him as Oscar.

[00:46:48] Excited to. To see Ozzy. Back on the island. I know he left in good spirits. I know he left feeling loved. I know he left feeling warm. And I know he left. On empty. So. I'm excited to see. An Ozzy out there. Again. Thinking about some of our connections. Right. I remember at Bryce and Wynn. When Wendell was out filming The Goat. And you know.

[00:47:17] Baby Boy was out here holding down BWP. Jonathan came to Pittsburgh. And Jonathan and Ozzy like met. And when I tell you. Jonathan was. So. Excited. To meet in Ozzy. And so again. It's these connections that. Partly. You know Bryce will win. But like. But just. These connections that I know. Jonathan. And his preparation of Survivor. Watched Ozzy seasons. And so. It'll be interesting to see. Like.

[00:47:46] How Ozzy and Jonathan will work. Also Ozzy is. His. His name might not hold as much weight. In the Survivor community. As Sari. But let's be clear. Ozzy's name holds some weight. He is a challenge. Beast. Beast. And so. It'll be interesting to see. How. My man does out there. Okay. Sorry Austin. You know. Okay. Ozzy came before you. But Austin. Mama Eve.

[00:48:16] Austin is still there. But listen. My man. My man. My man. Ozzy. So y'all best to get ready. For the bucket on season 50. Because. Between Colby. Between Ozzy. I keep it cute with Jonathan. Okay. With just. Jonathan's just there. But we still got Daddy Joe. Okay. And shoot. I mean. We got Christian. You make it too. Okay. So. Something about the. Something about the smart guys. Okay.

[00:48:47] Something about somebody. Who can do your taxes. He's doing more than taxes. Christian. Okay. Bryce. Okay. When the whole place back. For a second. You can tread like. This is. Okay. I'll say. I think. Of all. The whole cast. I think I'm the least excited to see Ozzy. I don't know. Okay. All right. Well we not doing no Jack. You gotta let him talk. You gotta let him talk to Ozzy.

[00:49:17] I don't know if you. Hung out with him before. Game Changers. Because it looked like someone. Sucked the life out of him. On Game Changers. And that might have been new. What was. This felt like a. Very much like CBS. Was like we need our classic. Big name golden boy. Ozzy. But from what we saw on Game Changers. It just doesn't seem like he has that go in him anymore. Like he was pretty dry on Game Changers. He's not really that competitive. Whether it's the strategy.

[00:49:46] Or even as much the challenges anymore. He's always gonna be that golden boy. Who's crushing it in the wild. You could get an 80 year old Ozzy. He's probably still gonna climb trees and get coconuts. But from what we saw on Game Changers. It's like. Do you guys remember anything Ozzy did on Game Changers? Not really. And I'm hoping. For me. Being the. The least excited to see Ozzy. I'm hoping he shatters those. Like right. It can only go up for me. And I'm hoping that he breaks those expectations. I know he's your man. You're a man. You're a man.

[00:50:17] But yeah. That was just sort of my thing. Is like we just saw him on Game Changers. Somewhat recently. And it. Maybe things have changed. I don't know him like that. But it just wasn't. What's Ozzy gonna give us now. That he didn't give us on Game Changers. Things have changed with Ozzy. He's a different. Post Game Changers. A lot has changed in Ozzy's world. And I'm actually. I'm interested to see. What he does out there. What are the main things. And they don't have to be personal. Because I don't want to air his business.

[00:50:45] But what do you think has changed. As people that know him. Like what do you think is gonna be different. I think that. That maybe the. The million dollars right now. Could be a little more appetizing. I mean it's always going to be appetizing. But again. I definitely think Ozzy will. I think he'll deliver. But you're right. It was a little. Something something. My. I want to tell the story about. The conversation Ozzy had. Me and Ozzy had in the bathroom. You think it's appropriate to say. Wendell.

[00:51:14] I don't remember this conversation. So. Funny story. Jack. I'm going to get that. Ozzy in the bathroom. The bathroom is dangerous. Well we were in the bathroom together. But. Anyway. Ozzy. Again. This is during the time that like. The internet was really heavy on like. Bryce. Like you know. When people were putting out those. Fictitious lists. That I was on the list. And so. I was in the bathroom with Ozzy. And like. It's funny because Ozzy was like. I've been hearing a lot.

[00:51:43] I've been hearing your name a lot. And. My. My dumb behind. Is thinking like. Ozzy is not true. Like you know. But like. In reality. I feel like Ozzy essentially was saying like. You know. Trying to have a show.

[00:52:12] The most support I would have for Ozzy. Is that if you were out there too. We could get a showmance. Get some representation. So. I mean. Okay. If you were out there Bryce. I would have been really excited for you. To be able to hang out with Ozzy. Just for your sake. So let's also. Talk to another. Another great. Benjamin. Coach. Wade. I'm excited for the Dragon Slayer. To return. I also feel like. In my personal opinion.

[00:52:42] Of watching the Dragon Slayer's. Social media. There was a point in time. That the Dragon Slayer. Was putting out videos. This is again. When the 50 was big. The Dragon Slayer. Was putting out videos. Essentially saying. Don't. You won't see him on 50. He's going to say no. Because he has retired. And so. I think maybe. The Dragon Slayer. Was feeling some type of way. Because then a month later. All of a sudden. And I think some of these photos. Are still up.

[00:53:12] You go to Coach's Instagram. And there's photos of him. Doing the. The coach thing. With. Survivor. Hashtag. Survivor 50. CBS. Eyes. Right. And so. He has a. His social media. He does not give a. But. What I love about it is. Is I think that he. Successfully. Put himself. On. CBS's radar. And so. Sometimes you do be. You see people. All the time. Wendell. Like you know. At CBS. Like.

[00:53:42] Hi. I don't. At CBS. Yes. It's not a CBS comment. That I do not see. Jack or Wendell in. Okay. No. Yes. Even now. With coach. It's funny. Because. Even the last few days. Like. When the cast got teased. He was supposed to. Like. Something has changed. In my heart. Like. I think. In about a week. We're going to see coach. Just like. Vlogging on the beach. In Fiji. Like. Mid game. Like.

[00:54:11] How do you have your phone coach? No one has a phone out here. But you coach. Yeah. He wrote something like. Even. On like his story. It said. I received a call. I love. I love. I love coach. I'm really excited to see coach. The reason. Why. First of all. Coach is just great TV. Period. But the reason. Why. I am even more excited. As to why. I am.

[00:54:41] Aesthetic. About single coach. Think about. The original. Integrity. Alliance. Think about. Where we get. The strong. At the end. I want to sit next. To the strongest. Person. Like. Think about that. And think about. Having a Joe. Out there. Like. That's. Crazy. That will. Agree. That's. There's definitely. A lot of. A couple of guys. With that mindset. Coming in this season. But I'm hoping. That's not what we get. This season.

[00:55:10] I mean. Yeah. If. We do not want. 50 to be like. 48. Let's make that very clear. It is funny though. I wonder if coach. Was watching 48. And saw Joe. And be like. Are we. Are we back? Should I go on. Survive. But he posted that thing. Like. Survivor 50. I might be down. If this is how we're playing. Hashtag survivor 50. Yeah. You already know that like. Joe. Coach. Ozzie. And Colby. And Jonathan. Are going to have a mean alliance. Going out there.

[00:55:40] I pray to God. It will be interesting. Can I share with you. A text message. I received from coach. Wait. Only if you say when. When. This week. Tuesday. Ah. Now he texted you. At the airport. 7. 43 a.m. Okay. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. I need for you. To. Read coaches. In your voice.

[00:56:09] And. Yours. And your voice. Please set the scene. Well. What were you doing at the time? Did you see a pain? The only thing I can say. Is what he wrote right here. But time out. Where were you? Were you driving? Were you at. In your bed? I don't know where I was. Okay. 7 a.m. On Tuesday. And mind you. Isn't he on the West Coast? Yes. So what time is that Jack? Would have been like 445. He was probably flying over to LAX. To go to the. He was. He was packing.

[00:56:40] He's packing. Okay. Redid coach. Wait. Is it a photo? I just. I just screenshot it. So y'all wouldn't see our whole conversation. It says. What's your biggest party? You want me at? 2026. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Hold up. The British. The British. So. Hold up. Now time out. You already make it. Okay.

[00:57:10] He's like. What's the move with Bryson? When? 2026. You were talking. M and Q were on the island. Like yo. Which ones are we pulling up to? What? What? What? Not. He's like. You think I can do one in Buffalo? Can you imagine. Can I bring my truck ready? Jack. Can you imagine getting ready. To go on Survivor. And you packing your clothes. And you're like. Hold on a second.

[00:57:41] Hey. I'm going. You're going. You're like. Hey. Like. How does March 27th in Buffalo. To 26 for a party. Before you even get ready. I gotta go. I'm going to my flight to Fiji. I'll catch you in 14 hours. I was just packing my feather. And I thought. He's going to roll to the VIP section of the party. They're like. Where's your.

[00:58:11] Where's your lanyard? And he just. He points to the feather. He's like. That's the VIP right there. You see this? Oh my God. I have to go. Coach. Q might have to take a bad seat. Why is coach. Are. Ready. Delivering. Now. I do love this from coach. Because. I'm glad. I mean. He's at the forefront of this. Of the fact that. The Brighton one presents season 50 parties.

[00:58:40] Those are going to be. Especially with. I mean. With or without coach. But especially with coach. I mean. Those. These characters getting together. Out of Bryson. One. And I just already know. He say Wendell's name. I just know. He say Wendell. Okay. I just know. Not. He doesn't. He doesn't call him. He calls him. My brother. Yes. With the hands. Yeah. He calls him like the.

[00:59:10] Like the creep. The creeping gecko. Or something like crazy. Oh. Oh. That. That. That just took me out. I am screaming. So listen. Y'all better get ready for season 50. Okay. Coach. Coach is already. Hey. Wendell. Wendell. Wendell. What are you doing? April. 2026. Okay.

[00:59:40] And from coach. We then have. Can I play the. Party. Party. He's going to walk us in. Playing the trumpet. We have. Aubrey. We first seen her on. Korong. Second place. Game Changers. Fifth place. And Edge of Extinction. 16th place.

[01:00:11] I love. Aubrey. I'm excited to see her back. I. I. Yeah. I. I'm excited. I think her. I feel like. Her gameplay. Is almost similar to like a racial. Of season 47. So it's like. Just interesting to see some of like. We see these evolved. Archetypes. And now kind of like. The original. Or the originator. Because at the time of her season. In Korong. Right. It was.

[01:00:41] So. Sparsely different. Than like a Michelle's game. Um. And so. I always love Aubrey. So I'm excited to see her back. Yeah. What I'm excited for. Uh. Is. She's real smart. And. If you recall. On season 46. Our main man Q. He said something to the effect of. I. I think it might have been. Kenzie. Said that Aubrey. It was Mo. Right. That was what he used to go against Mo. Like.

[01:01:10] She said she likes Aubrey. So that means. She's smart. So that means. I gotta get her out of here. Yeah. You already know the point. Q and Aubrey. Hey. Aubrey together. You already know. Um. And Aubrey's legacy. Stands on its own. But it's funny to imagine. Survivor. When they think about. Who would Q have fun with. It's like. Let's call up Aubrey. Aubrey's interesting to me. Because. Her last two outings. Even when she got fifth on game changers. Definitely have kind of gone.

[01:01:40] Time. Compared to a really strong game. And. Co. Wrong. So I could see her. Struggling on the season. But I could also see those recent struggles. Reducing her threat level. And then opening the game kind of. And I could see her doing really well. So. That's a sort of level of intrigue that. That. I'm really excited about with Aubrey. So. I'm very curious to see how she does. Especially coming off of like. 38. Where. They made her look kind of bad. So it's like. We'll see how. She can recover.

[01:02:13] Uh. Wendell. You got your glasses. Jack. You got a pair of glasses. Uh. Sort of. Yeah. Why? Are these glasses for me? Or are these general glasses? No. We're. I'm about to. Oh. Thank you so much. Whoa. Uh. I'm about to make another blanket statement. Oh. We. On the Purple Pants Survivor News Podcast. This next person. Is the true definition of a survivor.

[01:02:42] And people could whittle and piddle about. Oh. This person. This person. But. Survivor. Definitely. Got it right. When they gave our girl. Chrissy. Hoffback. A call back. She's only played once. Uh. Heroes. Hustlers. Villagers. She came in second. Heroes. Hustlers. Okay. On that village. The Heroes. Hustlers. Okay. Because. She wasn't a villain. But. Again.

[01:03:12] What was the name of the season, Bryce? Heroes. Healers. And Hustlers. There you go. She got second place. Okay. She was. Dynamic. That season. Um. I also feel like. She kind of ushered in. And although Chrissy is not an older woman. By any means. Because Wendell is older than her. However. In these later seasons. Like. I think of season 45. Right. With Dee and Mama Tina. That is Julie. Right. Uh. And their connection. So I. Again.

[01:03:41] I think of that. And I think of like. Wow. I wonder how a Dee would work with a Chrissy. However. We know. In Chrissy's life. With breast cancer. Like. She was so open. And transparent. And changing lives. And speaking about that. Like. She's been to one of our Boston parties. Like. She is just amazing. And I am excited. To see. What. Our girl Chrissy is going to do. So again. We ain't taking no Chrissy slander over here. Yeah. I thought the glasses were going on. Because you were about to like. Throw some shade. Or expecting some shade. But no.

[01:04:10] I'm very excited for Chrissy. Heroes. Healers. Hustlers was really fun. Wish my boy Devin was out there too. But Chrissy was great. I mean. She's strategic. You crush it in the challenges. But she's also not afraid to stir the pot a little bit. Create a little bit of conflict. Which I think is really exciting. I could see her fitting in with a lot of different groups. In this season. And doing quite well. And also. You know. Hearing about her story. With. You know. After. Since. Since season 35. Is incredible. Yeah. And I.

[01:04:41] She just seems like a great person to have out there. And yeah. We know her in real life. And she's a great person in real life. She's so strong. She's so brilliant. She has an incredible smile. It's very welcoming. Like. She's going to meet people. And connect with people. I have high hopes for Chrissy. We love her. She. Like you said Bryce. Is a true survivor. I think she's. I think she can do very well out there. Yeah. And great. Okay. And then we got. Christian. Hugh Bicky. Hugh Bicky. Okay.

[01:05:11] From the. David vs. Goliath. He plays 7th place. I think that. I think that. Christian. Is going to be in his. Cochran Aaron. Era. This season. And y'all hoes. Better watch out. Okay. And listen. I love Christian. But the one thing I love more. Is Christians. I believe now. Wife. Emily. Emily. And so for the potential. For the potential. Having an Emily.

[01:05:41] Back on our screen. And again. Christian is. He's interesting. And he's funny. And he's smart. And he's witty. And he's like. All of these things. That I think. Are going to make great TV. And again. I'm calling it now. He's in his Cochran era. Second time Cochran. Please. Hmm. Um. We're going to get family business. This season too. I'm calling it. Oh. Wow. Christian. Christian is kicking off. My favorite little run. Of. Returnees here. Like.

[01:06:10] Christian is one of my. Surprise. What does that even have to do. With anything. I can't like. David. You're a guy. Of. Christian's one of my favorites. Of all time. Oh. You mean like. You got my usual. Not my usual archetype. I mean. He fits. Two. He fits two of the three. Descriptions of your archetype. It's fair. But. Um. No. I love Christian. Uh. Very excited to see him back. One of the.

[01:06:39] An all time survivor character. And it's been. You know. Having only been on one season. It's been long enough. Can't wait to see him again. Um. Yeah. I don't. There's. So many good things to say about Christian. He's. He's just. Dynamic TV. Really fun player. Uh. So I'm really. Really thrilled. Awesome. Close your eyes. Picture this. Maybe like. Four people voted out. It's a tribe swap.

[01:07:10] You got Quintavious. And you got Christian. And Quintavious is trying to go to Christian. To make a move. Can you imagine. What that conversation. Is going. To be like. We can say that with Q. And anyone. This season. But him and Christian. Is going to be. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. And imagine if Q.

[01:07:40] Thinks Christian. Is a snake. Okay. Like. Can you. Like. That little smart man. That smart little. That smart little strong man. Big mistake. He came out here. He used a big word. Big mistake. Oh. I'm sorry. Quintavious. I just. I had an hypocrisy. That you were not going. To want to. Make the move. Because of. You said you wanted to quit. Four times. Before. The game even started. So I just. Used my.

[01:08:09] Obtuse angle. To figure out. That. It would be less than. Worthy of me. To work with you. Why? Christmas is canceled. Okay. Do we think. Do we think. When Q goes. Is talking to Aubrey. Do you think he's going to go to other places. Be like. She reminds me of an Aubrey. She's dangerous. I feel like the producers. Like we're going to. That clip is going to play itself again. Oh. A thousand percent. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Another.

[01:08:40] Very excited. Yeah. Yeah. The only thing we skipped over. Uh oh. In going from season 35 to 37. Was season 36. And there was a notable snub from 36. No. I don't know. Why not to come in. Dom. Dom. Dom. Oh. Oh. Okay. Now. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Where'd you think he was going? Himself? I was going to say. No. I think CBS made the right call. All right. Uh.

[01:09:10] But no. We. We missed out on Dom. We missed out on. My. Who am I? Uh. Brendan Shapiro. Bradley. Why are you laughing at Brendan Shapiro? Laurel. Was Brendan in the run for season 50 you think? He was. Call him. Not too much on Brendan. Call him. Oh. Brendan was fine. I think he. Yeah. I thought he was going to do really well. He's. Bradley.

[01:09:38] Wasn't Brendan like the fourth person out? I'm going to be nice. Well. This season. This season. The worst placement of any player. On their first go. Was Tiffany. Eighth place. So everyone is. You know. Pretty stacked. A solid. Now. I could have used a couple pre-mergers. Notably a couple Kagehan pre-mergers. But. I'm just saying. I don't. I don't know. If. If Brendan Shapiro. Landed on his calves. I think. People would have had a lot of. Too much.

[01:10:08] On my days. Is that. Is that the producer? Is he on the On Fire podcast? Get out of the frame. Somebody. Somebody get the dream team guy out. Yeah. Matt Van Wacken. Someone who I am very excited for. Who placed third on her season. Miss Angelina. Before she left. She posted a reel. Or a montage. Of her in different coats. I think that Angelina.

[01:10:37] Was an interesting archetype. When we seen her. I think. A lot of people were 50-50. On her gameplay. Right. But I thought that Angelina. Was interesting. She spoke up. She advocated for herself. She. She did all the things. I think that she is an amazing woman. I think since playing. She's a mother now. Of two. And so. I think a lot changes. And so. I'm excited. For my girl Angelina. To return. Yeah.

[01:11:06] She's a strong. Brilliant woman. And. On Survivor 37. She was a little. I don't. Maybe if her self-awareness. Wasn't locked in. Or something. But something about her. Made her so hilarious. To watch. And everything she did out there. And so. To have her come back. Selfishly. I want her. To be. Not as self-aware. But I think that. Seeing herself on TV. Being a mother.

[01:11:36] And having some time away. Might change her game. A little bit. Though I hope she is. As entertaining. As she was. I mean. She's fantastic. Like. Very excited for her. She's one of a kind. Like. David versus Goliath. One of the. Greatest new. One of the greatest. Season period. One of the greatest. New player seasons. Up there. Togging on. But obviously. I think David versus Goliath. Might surpass us. I don't know. Well that's. You know. But David Goliath. Yet to have any. Returnees obviously.

[01:12:06] Aside from Nick. On Winners at War. But. So many good characters. On there. So I'm excited that. We get. Three of them. You know. Christian. Angelina. And. Our next one. And then. We go to our next. Mike White. Second place. On David versus Goliath. I love it. I was so excited. To see him. With his fame. And success now. It's like. Did we think. Mike White was going to be able to. Like he's. The writer director.

[01:12:35] Of one of the most popular shows. On TV. Like was he going to be able to. Take time off. But. I love that he is so dedicated. To Survivor. That he's. Making it happen. Um. And. Like it's. I think it's just going to be. A. He was a great character. On. David versus Goliath. Period. Like. The scene with him roaming around. With like the wine glass. Looking around in the sand. For like the clue. Hilarious. So funny. And then also just. The whole component. Of him now being. Like he was famous. On David versus Goliath.

[01:13:05] But he's like another. Level right now. And so I'm very curious. To see like. How does that. Um. Play into other players. Approaches to working with Mike. Is he going to be. A target. Or is he going to be. Someone that they want to. Appeal to. Because they're like. Damn I can get on White Lotus. You know. That's it. They're all going to be sucking up to him. Because they want to be on the show. And. Um. He's. He is a great character. He's hilarious to watch. He's fun to watch. So. I'm very excited to see Mike White.

[01:13:35] Back out there. He. Not only will everyone be sucking up to him. You got. He's. Props his buddy. So like. Now I'm worried. Is he going to get some preferential treatment out there. Or something like that. But. Mike White. Makes for a fun. Cast. And a fun. Show. So. I'm excited to see Mike White. Out there. And there's that component of like. If you're. If you're worried. Everyone's going to be sucking up to him. Then are you like. Well if everyone's sucking up to him. Like do we have to take him out. You know what I mean. So I think that's a. It's an interesting. That too.

[01:14:05] I feel like we should have prepped Q. And told Q. To really suck up to him. Now the only thing I'll say. About this cast. If we're going to move off of Mike White. Is. We have another. Extremely notable snub. From. David Goliath. Yes. Davey. Should have been out there. Davey. Was. An extraordinary. Player. He has stayed. Active. In the community. He is. Great. And sad. That Davey.

[01:14:35] Is not out there. And if we think about it. Davey. Could have won that season. I think it was down to him. And Nick. And whoever was going to win immunity. At that one point. The other one was going to get picked off. By the Goliaths. Or whatever. And that would have put him. I think in final four. Or something like that. Like. Davey. Could have won that season. He's hilarious. He's a great character. He's great for TV. And yeah. It sucks to not see. I think Davey will get. I think Davey will get another go. At some point. So I'm excited for whenever that.

[01:15:05] Rolls around. Hope so. But Davey kind of. He made a big announcement yesterday. That he was kind of like. He's kind of like. Really stepping back. From. All Survivor things. And. Pursuing something different. And creating his own space. Like a. Like a. He's doing a GoFundMe. Or a. One of those. Fundraisers. For this. Cosplay games. Or something like that. Where. And that's right up his wheelhouse. Yeah. Right.

[01:15:35] But you never. It's like. People say. I can't speak for Davey. But whenever that phone. Ends up ringing. It's like. I feel like they hook you back. It's toxic. The coach effect. Right. Right. Exactly. Well. We also have. Someone from. Or Edge of Extinction. Who was. Very interesting. Dynamic. Crazy. Funny. Cust holes. Out. Played. Like. I almost feel like. His game. Almost reminded me. Or the evolution of his game.

[01:16:05] I could almost see it in a Charlie. He was one of the first. Survivor. Players to host. With Jeff Probst. On fire. So. It is. Cousin Ricky. Rick Devins. He's just a great. Person. Funny. And. He's a player. So I'm excited to see. What cousin Ricky does out there. Rick is great TV. He's like. He's entertaining. He's funny. He's a dad.

[01:16:34] So he's quirky. He's also strangely. Athletic. And he can like. And skilled. So like. He's a hooper. You know. Like he. He can. He can do these things. And play these games. So. In a. In a. In a. Show where you got these like. Circuit style games. Or whatever. I think. We'd be surprised. With Rick Devins. Which he's surprised us before. We'll be surprised. Good friend. Love him. Love his family. Yeah.

[01:17:03] I'm really excited for Rick. I've met him a few times at Hearts. And he was always just like. The nicest dude. But also. Phenomenal television. Kind of like. One of a kind. In like the role that he fills. And also just like. Plays. So hard. Not afraid to be flashy. Not afraid to be a little bombastic. Which. You know. Given the tempo of the new era lately. I need a Rick Devins to come. Shake the game up. And go hard. No matter how that shakes out. But. Yeah. Very excited for Rick.

[01:17:33] You know Rick. Even if it's for the best. I feel like Rick's never just going to be sitting on the sidelines. He's going to be moving and shaking. And that's going to help really. I think propel the season to a. A really nice level. Yeah. Exciting. And then we move. Kind of sort of into the new era. And we have. Jonathan Young. From Survivor 42. Placed fourth. Challenge beast. Beast.

[01:18:02] He can put his whole team on his tribe. And swim them out of waters. This man. Is. Yeah. He's. He's going to be interesting to watch. Yeah. I'm not like. Shocked. To see a Jonathan. Jonathan. Obviously. Challenge wise. Probably the most dominant. One of the most dominant ever. Definitely. One of the most dominant. The new era. My thing is like. You look at 41 through 44. And he's the one person. Representing that. Period of Survivor.

[01:18:32] To me. There's. People from his own season. I would rather see. Not to mention people from 41. 43. 44. 44. So it's not like a. A personal Jonathan thing. Maybe it's more of a casting thing. But it's like. How do we get a Jonathan. But we don't get an Omer. Or a Jesse Lopez. Or a Carolyn. Or a Daniel. Or a Stan. Or a Ricard. Or Deshaun. Or Deshaun. Danny. Danny McCray. All right. I don't. Ah.

[01:19:04] Hey. Hey. He's great. But like. I don't think we were expecting to see Danny. On 50. But like. An Omer. A Jesse. A Carolyn. We were expecting to see a Mike White. On 50. Like. Yeah. I mean. He's one of the most. He's probably the most famous Survivor player ever. So. Okay. But outside of fame. Oh. Okay. What. I don't know if you. Like that narrative is immediately compelling. Like. Mike White. Who's renowned. He's won an Emmy for the show. It's like. To get him on the island. That's. Immediately.

[01:19:34] Interesting TV. But. But anyway. I mean. Independent of that. I'm talking new era. Right. Like 41. But again. You name Danny. We can go on. I think other players that we would have loved to see in that mix. And so to just get Jonathan. Independent of Jonathan himself. It's like. Why one guy. Versus. The 11 that we get from 45 to 49. That's more. Like my thing. Like. It really flabbergast me. You know. When Jesse. Like. And not to harp on the Jesse. But when he got cut. I think that's when there was rumors. Like. Oh.

[01:20:03] There's only like three new era people. Or whatever. And you were like. Even still. I was like. Who's your force? Rumors. Those were like the rumors. They weren't true. I was like. Those rumors. And people. Mad at that. And even still with three. You were like. How does Jesse not. But then now we have. 12. 12. I think. If you. Pick. One new era. If there was only one new era person. I think there's a great case. It should. James Jones. It should be. James Jones.

[01:20:33] Has. I think. I think. That's more. But that's more of a question. To like. The snubs. And less about Jonathan. It'll be. I don't know. It'll be interesting to see. But. Yeah. I agree. I think it says a lot. But. Do we think Jonathan's going to bring something new. Than what he brought 42 though? Like. You know. He's a challenge beast. He's pretty loyal. That's what we're going to get. Yeah. That's what we're going to get.

[01:21:03] Put him. Joe. And coach together. This feels like. Yeah. This feels like another CBS of like. Well the people. The people in. Rural Missouri. Love. Challenge beast. So we need you to get. A new era challenge beast. I'll tell you what. And this. This could have been. Like recency bias. But like. I remember when Jonathan. Walked into our New York event. And this was. When we were. We had lots of surprises. And stuff. And people were like.

[01:21:32] So like. Yeah. There's a Jonathan effect. And so. For sure. Yeah. And out there. I'm interesting to see what round two is for him. True. I mean. I'm not. He's. I like him a lot. So I wasn't trying to. Yeah. Like. It's just. It's hard. Because you're comparing him. Versus the whole pool. Like 41 to 44. But Jonathan himself. Like. Not mad at it. I also. I grew up as a fan of endurance. Which was like. Kid survivor. And he was on that show. And I talked to him a little bit about that. And he like lit up. What he was talking.

[01:22:01] He has like tattoos from. His like. Things like. Referencing his time on endurance. Endurance. And he. He was more excited to talk about that. Than I think like anything I've seen him. Chatting about. So. That was really cool to me. So. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good.

[01:22:38] kus. Good. favorite amongst the survivor community so i am excited to see what miss flipping won't be doing yeah she was great oh go ahead jack i was gonna say i'm stoked like emily's so fun good tv strategic but also again not doesn't shy away from some conflict uh and i think it's going

[01:23:07] to be interesting with her too because her arc on 45 was so it started so tough for her and then she became a fan favorite and she got to experience not only playing set sort of in both those ways but also being perceived in both those ways so i wonder like what her i mean she's always every time i've met her she always has great energy so i'm sure she'll be a fun person to have on the island but i wonder in her mind it's like she knows what it's like to be a villain and a hero and so i'm kind of like how is that going to affect how she plays and how she approaches the game is

[01:23:35] she going to have the confidence to just throw things at the wall and just like say whatever and is that going to get her in trouble like i think there's a lot of interesting dynamics with that one and we saw her come like what made her so cool was this arc like when she was on when she was on the i guess the mat for the first time and i think she might have spoke out

[01:23:58] against bruce or something we were so upset we're like this old care like this what is she doing you know and then and then and then you watch it it's like the things that come out of her mouth you're just like man and then she has the conversation and connection with caleb caleb kind of like brings her down to earth gives her some game caleb's out there now it's like people are rooting for emily

[01:24:20] in this game so um we've seen so much that it's like where does she go now i think in one in one season it was the enjoyment of watching her go from like this extreme to the next so now she's already over here she she's got the game where does she go yeah yeah it'd be interesting to see but she won't be

[01:24:42] alone uh she'll be joined by her 45 winner g is going to be on this season and i was be honest i was a little posed to like i don't want winners but you think of a winner like g right and you see how much she dominated the game um and again it's season 45 we're up to season 50 it's five seasons later

[01:25:06] um i'm not that mad at it and so i think that um i think she's going to be really well out there and i think she'll be well equipped with the variety of people that we know that she can work with um and she's a challenge beast as well so i think that she'll do well i can also see her linking up with jonathan like the florida connection like there's just so many ways that where in which d could go

[01:25:29] she's a great social player she's a great strategic player i think that in the new era also there might be that component of is this a shield i could use like that that might be i don't think it's as obvious of a target as it used to be like we just got to get out the winners um i think for me it's going to be interesting with her and with kyle because again i was i wasn't sure about winners but i think it does add an interesting little flavor to things and if they're a good character like d is then

[01:25:57] you know it's going to add to the season it'll be interesting with her and a kyle to sort of immediately because of this winner target maybe have their back against the wall a little bit and kyle and d are both people that we saw kind of play in control for most of the game they had a really strong alliance and they sort of but not a flashy game though right not a flashy game necessarily but they were a dominant one now they may have their back against the wall and have

[01:26:22] to get flashy he's not afraid to like stab some people in the back so it's going to be interesting if she's backed in a corner right away because she is a winner to see how she responds to that i think she'd get real scrappy and i think that would be a lot of fun to watch even if she fizzles out early just because of that target like she's gonna go down swinging so absolutely so i am excited to see what she is going to bring on the season and then we get even newer newer and we go to season 46

[01:26:50] and we have quinn what uh quinn quinn quinn quinn quinn quinn quinn quinn quinn quinn maravius is uh on this season and i am like when diese very excited for a q return i have to do have to say

[01:27:15] that uh watching q season i'm like i'm not gonna have nothing in common with this man he could do it I mean, but when I tell you Q is probably one of my favorite people on this world, there's a few survivor people that are in my Rolodex that the only way we communicate with each other is just by insults. Like nothing but insults. Like Q will call me. I'll answer. He'd be like, you look ugly today.

[01:27:44] And just hang up the phone. Like that's like, you know, Q says I can't drive. You know, it's like and there are multiple people. People in this Rolodex and it is Q. It's Joe Minna. It's Aaron Meredith. And it is Jeremy Collins where it's like there is no normal conversation. It's always just like you ugly. Your breath stink. Or like if you ever see me under any of their comments on social media, it's all negative. But that is the way that we show love.

[01:28:13] And I think that Q is who I think they based the season around Q. Truly. This is Q season. But here's I got a lot to say, but I'll start off by saying this. Bryce, remember when we were just getting to know Q and Q was coming to our watch parties. You would look over and see Q. What would he be doing? He'd be by himself. Mean face. Watching the TV. And we're like, what the hell is wrong with this guy?

[01:28:43] What's up with Buddy? And he's like, it's a watch party. I'm like, but Q, you on the TV. Well, yeah, I got to see. I got to see what they're going to do. Bryce. Like, it's just. It's like two phones. He's texting himself on his other phone. Like, it's like, what are you doing, sir? Is he getting booted this episode? What's up with him? Now he's trying to boot himself. Quitting. Kid. Kid. Kid. Kid. Kid. Kid. Kid.

[01:29:17] Kid. Kid. And I was like, you do not understand the essence of Q. I mean, you are on the other side of the alphabet in the wrong place. I mean, yeah, we love Q. Like, every moment is just golden TV with Q. Even outside of the pod is just, I mean, it's just golden moments back to back to back. And you put them in a cast like this with all these characters. it is going to be just get the Q cam on, get your Q skirt on.

[01:29:46] Go play hide and seek. Come out and let him find you and find you a little Q because it's going to be a great time. I worry though. I feel like Q's edit was a lot fun. I also think that he worked off of the chaoticness, right? I think that Q's method was cause chaos. Like it would be break the glass and be a part of putting the glass together how you want it. I worry with this season of veteran players

[01:30:14] that are sharks as well. I wonder what that looks like. Then I also worry that like, what if Q is aware of that? And then we go out and we don't get a Q, but we get a Quintavious. And like, I just like, it's, I don't know. I'm nervous for our boy. The other thing I'm nervous for Bryce is yo, homeboy's doing too much. Let's not even let him get any traction.

[01:30:44] Like he's out of here. I'm worried about that. I'm worried about that. I'm worried about the Tony in Game Changers effect. You have this superhuman person. And now it's like, oh, he's doing the most. Get him out of here as soon as we can. That's what petrifies me with our boy Q. Another thing that petrified me was in seeing Q in the last three months. I mean, he is our boy. But they, they, the britches.

[01:31:12] And mind you, he posted three, four times a day of him working out, of him running. And like Q has physically gotten bigger. Like he, I mean, Q looks, he big. Maybe he'll win a pre-murge challenge this time. Well, yeah. What all the muscle's going to do? So, yeah, Q's been locked in. I hit Q like, I'm like, hey, Q.

[01:31:41] All of these workout videos, like people know that you're strong and you're just showing them that you're even strong. Well, what they don't see, let me tell you. What they don't see is that I'm studying all of their seasons. So, he said he studied up all their seasons. So, I'm hoping that he's got something to go with it. He also said, I work out four times a day, Wendell.

[01:32:08] I'm only posting the two workouts. They don't know how much I'm in the gym. I took Wendell's phone and I hung it up. I say, this Q. What? Yes. So, yeah. Q is, nevertheless. But we can't Q and Coach on the same tribe, baby. Q's connections are going to be interesting. A Q and a Jonathan, I think they can hit it off.

[01:32:35] I think you'll be surprised how many people Q can connect with. I even think that Tiffany, despite how they felt on the season, I think that they piece things up and they can be cool. So, it's not a matter of, I feel like Q can work with anybody. But when the flip switches, that's what I worry about. And so, it's like, I need Q to control the switch. You need to make the switch. But like, I don't know. But I'll be tuned in. Tuned in.

[01:33:07] And then we have someone from On Fire Podcast from Q's season. We've got Charlie making a return. And I am excited. Well, we know this is Jack's archetype. But I am excited for Charlie. I think Charlie is going to kill it. He is smart. He takes calculated risks. I also feel like, love these little inside stories.

[01:33:36] When we were in Boston, Charlie and his girlfriend, Judy. Love Judy. Shout out to Judy. The night before, we went to Justin. Shout out to my third boot brother, Justin. We went to Luigi's Pizza Store. And, you know, we like to support our family. Charlie and I get there at the same time. And they're like, what do you want to order? What do you want to order? What do you want to order? I'm like, I don't know. Charlie's like, I just ordered a cheese, a large cheese pizza price. Do you want to split it? So, yeah. Let's split it, Charlie. The cheese pizza comes.

[01:34:05] We're talking to family and friends. I'm noticing. Charlie, one slice down. I go up to take a picture with Wendell. Come back. Three slices gone. Justin's family's like, you guys want cannolis? I turn around. I say, well, damn, Charlie. I mean, is we splitting the pizza? Because he ate the whole pizza. And so, in my mind, I'm like, Charlie is a little, little guy.

[01:34:35] But I'm like, are you balling up? He's on the queue schedule. He's on the queue. But, like, he's bulking up. But, again, Charlie knows the game. Again, he has the on fire podcast connection. He's got connections with Q, with Tiffany. He's well-liked. He's smart. I'm excited for a Charlie. Yeah, I'm really thrilled. I mean, no surprise to Bryson winning probably a lot of you. But Charlie and I have become, I mean, I was rooting for Charlie during his season.

[01:35:04] We've become buddies since then. We play four nights together. And Charlie's just, like, just the homie. And I think he plays the game how I would want to play the game. So, watching him play is just, I feel like I live vicariously through him. He's a great dude. I'm really excited to see him. I think that Bryce, you made a great point. Like, I think he's got a lot of good relationships. I think that after his season, I feel like a lot of people had a very sympathetic viewpoint of him. Thinking he should have won.

[01:35:33] And that he was, you know, a good dude who got, I don't want to say robbed. Because Kenzie earned it as well. But that maybe a good guy who deserved a little bit better. So, having that be the perception of you going out there and him being a good ally to Maria throughout the season. Maybe not vice versa. But I think people really want to work with Charlie. And Charlie's a very level-headed, good strategist. But not anything crazy flashy.

[01:36:01] Which I think is a good ally to have. Someone who's like, okay, they're smart. But they're not going to, like, start switching up and playing too crazy. But see, that's what I am curious about, right? Because of what the outcome of that season. I wonder, like, has that changed Charlie? Will that change how he plays? Will that change how he aligns? Will that change his trust level? And so, that for me is what I am most interested to see in Charlie.

[01:36:29] How that kind of, you know. And similar to what I said about, like, D and Kyle. Charlie was an almost winner, right? He almost, people know he, like, almost won. And he had a really strong hold on his season. So, it'll be interesting if there is a target on his back to see him play from, like, from the bottom potentially. Like, what is Charlie? Charlie's game was very methodical in 46 and really strategic and smart. But always sort of had his finger on the pulse.

[01:36:57] I'm curious if Charlie gets put in a tough spot. I'm really curious to see what comes out of him, like, in terms of his gameplay. I hope he doesn't get put in a tough spot. But, I mean, that's Survivor. Most people end up, you know, scrappy at some point. Charlie's awesome. Like, he got as close as you can get, pretty much. Like, he was right there.

[01:37:27] Or something crazy like that. Yeah. He was as close as, almost as close as Dom. And then, when, Bryce, when you said Bradley, I'm thinking Charlie's kind of like a Bradley that got through. You know? Like, Charlie's that kind of guy. So, yeah. Excited to see Charlie. Good, good, good human being. Great person. Yeah. Great Survivor player. And someone who I don't think he'll have the biggest target put on him.

[01:37:56] Because he's like, to the eye, he just looks middle of the road. He just looks like the average guy. But he's got a lot going on up here. He gets along well with all sorts of people, yeah. Exactly. And when you're on an island with Jonathan and Q and Ozzy, it's good to look like a Charlie or a Devins in this case. Yeah. Yes. And then, to my surprise, a very happy surprise, we've got another 46er.

[01:38:25] We've got 8th place, our girl Tiffany Irvin and Bay Bay. I am so excited they gave our queen another shot. I think that she, being as all she, she had to deal with Q. And for her to be able to navigate that, to still be loyal, to be making moves. And again, I almost, it's interesting because I see parallels in Tiffany's game and Camilla's game, right?

[01:38:54] Where I am interested to see what Tiffany has learned from that and also who Tiffany can link up with. I'm just excited for our queen. I think that, I don't think she was on a lot of people's radar. She was definitely on my radar. And I'm excited to see her out there. I think that she is in a, just starting off in a great position. I don't think she's going to be playing from the bottom. I don't think that like her threat level is pretty neutral.

[01:39:22] And so I think it gives her the opportunity to go anywhere she wants. And I'm excited to see where Tiff goes. We love Tiffany over here. Tiff, like, she is, she's awesome. She's one of my faves inside, outside of the community. Like, she is great. And yeah, she had, she had to contend with a first season in TV. Okay. Okay. Now, now she could play. Now she, yeah.

[01:39:51] I, it's, I'm excited to see where Tiff, where Tiff goes with this. Yeah. I'm really excited for Tiff. I mean, she's part of the LA crew out here. I feel like every returning season, sometimes there's people that you didn't quite expect to, to maybe make the season. And a lot of times, like you think about a Wentworth in second chances, like people were surprised she made the cut and she goes out and crushes it. I think I could see something really similar for Tiffany here where we maybe didn't expect her, but I'm really excited. We got her.

[01:40:19] She's really entertaining, really funny, super witty. And she was able to, if you're able to handle a cue, you're going to be able to work with a lot of different types of people. And I don't think her threat level is going to be uber high, but we know she's a player. So I'm really optimistic for Tiffany and just excited to see her being her hilarious self on our screens. And I think it came across on her season, but she's such a people person. And like, she is bubbly, but she's real and she can connect.

[01:40:48] And so I think that that is going to be such a strength of hers. Another person, well, not another person, but from season 47, who I am not surprised at all, Genevieve. Baby! Mother! Okay, we got a couple of mothers on this season, but like, I don't know why I feel like, I guess stepmom from Genevieve. Like the kids don't really like her, but she, the dad love her. She put the, you know, she, I don't know.

[01:41:16] It's just something like that, that Genevieve got, that like, that like Genevieve don't play. She's smart. She's willing to make moves. I love a Genevieve. I'm excited for a Genevieve return. Yeah. I mean, she's, she's another person, especially new era. We've seen a lot of like the gameplay slowed down a little bit, but she's not afraid to play fast. I was very, during her season, I was pretty open about,

[01:41:46] I remember arguing with James Jones about the fact that I thought she made her move too early, but her making that move was great television. So I do hope that, I hope that she can combine that willingness to make moves and play hard, but also, you know, play, you know, time things up really well. But I'd rather have someone like a Genevieve who's not afraid to make those moves and take those shots. And we need that to drive the narrative and drive the strategy of the season.

[01:42:14] So yeah, I'm excited to have Genevieve back too. Like she's definitely a icon of the new era. And in Genevieve, we have this player who I think learned a lot from her season. I remember some of her confessionals had dealt with her saying, I'm not going to get so close to these people because I want to be able to cut them in the, in the, in the throat or behind their back or whatever. And I think she learned so much because she is such a great player. And now she's like, all right, it, I think she's going to go into this knowing it's a game,

[01:42:43] knowing she can get close to these people, but knowing it's a game. So you can make these relationships or you have the freedom to play like that and still make these, these moves. And so I think I'm excited for her to come back. Yeah, very much so. And then we have from the most recent, our most recent winner, we've got Kyle Frazier, the winner of season 48. Super excited for him because I think that he's great.

[01:43:10] Not necessarily excited for him because he just won the season. And I think he is like you and Jack and I were saying like players like Kyle and Adi, they didn't make flashy moves, but they had control of the game, right? I feel like Kyle, like we said before, Kyle was out there shaking ass.

[01:43:30] Kyle better be on a twerk master 6,000 because there's just no way that his name will not come up because he is the most recent winner. So roll them bulls, 30 inch rise, 30 inch rise. Coming to the side is Kyle Frazier throwing the, uh-uh, like Kyle better. No, no. Kyle needs to be moved. Get out the way. Get out the way. Get out the way.

[01:44:00] Okay? Like Kyle needs to be moved. He just that, I just, I hate that he's in this predicament. And so it's like, I don't love that he's out there being so he's the most recent winner. And I will go on record and say, I'm happy we have these 48ers there. We've got Joe, we've got Kyle, we've got Camilla. But the fan in me, and I say this respectfully, right?

[01:44:24] Like, I feel like from the most recent center season, I would like to see somebody's game that I didn't really get that was premature, right? I feel like we got to see how Camilla Joe and Kyle's game ended, right? Like, I wouldn't be mad at a star. I wouldn't be mad at a say. I wouldn't be mad at seeing a David. Like, you know, like just, but Kyle's out there, well-deserved. And I'm excited. Obviously, I love Kyle. Yeah.

[01:44:53] I mean, I'm definitely a Kyle fan. That's who I was rooting for this season. And it worked out pretty good. I'm nervous, though. Like, I think, obviously, they're flying out right now. Now, last week, they watched him win a million dollars. That's going to be really difficult. I'm going to be very impressed with Kyle if he makes it past, like, a few votes. Like, that's a really hard position to be in. But he is a pretty loyal player. Could be an enticing ally. Could be a shield. And I think it's going to be interesting because I think inevitably he's going to have a target on his back.

[01:45:22] And he was kind of in control the whole game. Except for, you know, that one pre-merge travel where he had that great idle play, which was really fun to watch. I'm curious to see more of him with his back against the wall, making plays just like that. And even if he fizzles out quickly just because of the target that's on his back, I think it'll be really fun to watch if it shakes out like that. So, excited for Kyle. Very excited for Kyle and very scared for Kyle. Yeah.

[01:45:48] And I respect him just, like, it could tarnish his legacy, per se, of, like, he could go out and go out early. But I respect him just being like, oh, I just won a million dollars. F it. I'm hungry. I'm going back right now. Like, let's go to work. Yeah. I know Kyle. Speaking of tarnishing legacies, how did winners at war fare? Hold on. I got to run to the bathroom. We good over here.

[01:46:18] Jack? What? How did winners at war? How did that, like, sing? No comment. Well, obviously, a season like that, like, yeah, you're taking the risk when it's all winners. Like, inevitably, one of the winners is going to be the first boot. And we're the first merge boot. But, yeah, that's a risk you take.

[01:46:43] But, like, obviously, I respect people taking that risk more than being like, oh, well, I played once and I won once. And I don't want to tarnish my legacy. It's like, who cares? You already won once. If you go home because you were a target because of that, then, like, it is what it is. Okay. Yeah. Joe held you down? I mean, Wendell held. Jack held you down, Wendell. Then we've got Daddy Joe making the return.

[01:47:10] He's the only person that I just felt like after the hype of this season that I just knew would be on season 50. Just from Propes' love for him, I think Joe is a great player. It'd be interesting to see how he does play. I think that he has a lot of similar-minded, strong integrity, bringing the strongest to the end. So I think it'd be interesting to see, Joe.

[01:47:35] I would love Joe to say, hey, I went out here this first time. I played for my wife, my kids, my sister. And now the second time, it's like, I almost want Joe to come out here and play for yourself. Yeah. And get gritty. Get nasty. Start lying to these people.

[01:47:58] Start, like, stir the pot because, like, how Camilla and Kyle kind of, like, duped you. I think people will have this image of you. And it's like, just start off from the back. Just be like. That would be an evolution of Joe that I would be really excited to see. Now, I don't know how I say it because we saw a lot of Joe's game on 48, and it was fairly straightforward.

[01:48:21] Well, I don't want to say shit because there was some complexity, some nuance to it of, like, him wanting to have integrity but also needing to play the game. But the thing was, he was kind of attached to Eva right from the jump. I'm really interested to see this season how he's going to go in and navigate as, like, almost a free agent now. You know, what's his relationship like going to be with Kyle after how he's been on 48? So I don't know. But obviously, he was, you know, for the, he was a fan favorite in a lot of ways on 48.

[01:48:50] So I understand him being here, and I hope he comes in a little bit more multidimensional than the game he played on 48 and really embraces it and plays hard. Like, I think that would be really, really fun to watch. He's also just a really funny, like, he's a funny guy. He had funny moments. He's a good character. So I think he's got some stuff to add to 50. And he's a challenge beast, and it'll be interesting to see him out there with a few other challenge beasts. Yeah. Kind of thing. I hope they bring back some of those, especially Premiers, those physical. Physical. You know, they never do anymore.

[01:49:19] But, like, I'm thinking about the one where they're on, like, their heads up on, like, a raft, and they're, like, trying to knock each other off. Imagine, like, him versus Jonathan. Or Ozzie's up there. Or Colby's up there. Like, that's... Don't put Colby and Coach up there, because Coach's going to get them. Put them up there. I mean, that... They don't do those anymore. And I remember there was one on Bryce this season that I love where someone was hanging onto a pole. And the other people just want to, like, rip them off and drag them across. Those are the best challenges. No, I agree.

[01:49:48] And I know Survivor, maybe there's, like, budget, whatever. But just set up a pole and have people rip each other off. That's easy, you know? We had water slaughter both my seasons where you got to run out there, grab the... Yeah. The thing, yeah. The ring. It's great. It's great to watch. Yeah. And I love on that... I love the people that take... That don't run, right? They let you run and go get it. And where you are. And they be waiting for you right when you... Oh! I love that. Oh!

[01:50:17] That's when I realized how strong Ben Dreebergen was. He was like, nope. We're going over here. I was like, but... But wait. I forgot about that. Oh, Ben! We was rooting for you. I thought he had to go over there. We were all rooting for you. Tony's 4'11".

[01:50:46] We were against Brandon, Boston, Rob. Not too much. I'm just saying. Not too much on Mr. Vlachos. Okay. Vlachos. Vlachos. Vlachos. Make it on stage. Vlachos. Vlachos. And then we are rounding out our last known player as Camilla. Will the Camilla meters and the Camilla Terry rise? We will rise. I am excited for Camilla.

[01:51:15] I think that she's great. Again, like a Joe, we have the option of how will Camilla handle this? What will she do? Will she continue to be loyal? I also think similarly to Charlie, right? Camilla is not threatening in size, right? And so I think that she can use that to her advantage. I could see Camilla working with a Sari. I could see a Camilla with a Stephanie. I could see a Camilla with a Jonathan. I could see a Camilla.

[01:51:42] I think her options are open, but I do worry that everybody will know you and Kyle are a duo. So you're going to have to work your best to deflect. But also, again, the freedom of Camilla to play her own game. And like we know in her season, she might have struggled with like, is she good enough? We know that like in her head, like, oh, you suck. And it's like now you know and your head knows that girl, you the ish. Okay.

[01:52:08] And so her going in with that mindset, that's a scary thing. And that's why I serve in the Camilla Terry. Yeah, I'm curious to see Camilla. I mean, she's sneaky. She's crafty. I think it's a lot of fun strategic components to her game. I am worried for her, right, with that duo with Kyle. And then you also take into consideration, now she is really good at puzzles. But physically speaking, you said she's not the biggest.

[01:52:35] I could be worried pre-merge, especially with a lot of those big guys being like, we got to keep the tribe strong. A little nervous in that sense if you pair that with her duo with Kyle. But I know she's going to bring some really good strategy to the season. So excited to see. I will say, and this is not about Camilla, but this is more about 48 as a total. This kind of takes on that recency bias conversation we had of like, I think 48 was one of the weaker seasons of the new era.

[01:53:05] But we do have, and this isn't about a Joe or a Kyle or Camilla, but just one of the weaker seasons. And it's honestly, to their credit, because they kind of ran it so hard that we didn't see a lot of interesting stuff happen. So for me, I'm like, now, is there any of these three that I would specifically remove? I don't think I have a good answer to that. But I don't really know, like having three of them and that all of their stories were pretty intertwined already and pretty flushed out.

[01:53:31] I'm not that thrilled about having three different 48 people. And that's not against any specific one. And that made, that were one, two, three, and four. Pretty much, yeah. So, yeah. It's like their story, we just saw their whole story unfold, you know. And that's why I agree with you. That's going to put them in a pickle, though. That's going to put them in a pickle, right? Like being out there. So it does, it will cause a lot of conversation. So it'll be interesting to see. I am a card-carrying member of the Camila Terry. Thank you very much.

[01:54:01] I'm rooting for everyone Guyanese again. Thank you very much. And the only thing I'm, I'm scared. Is there a world where Kyle and Camila just gun at each other? Because, or like, they're like, remember how candid they were towards the end of the season? Like, hey, you know, one of us got to go. Like, I think they back won't be up against the wall. So if anything, it's like, they need to work together for like the first two votes. Joe, Camila, and Kyle.

[01:54:26] And then I'll also say to that, if with three tribes and we have quite a few seasons or a few seasons with three people on it, I feel like they're going to spread everyone out. I see Kyle by himself and I see Camila and Joe together. I could, I could see them all being by themselves. I mean, I think. All being by all three tribes. Like David Goliath three. But basically it could be two and two. Like, yeah. But they put Tony and Sarah Lucina. It would help them to be separate.

[01:54:53] I think if they're together, I think that's an easy, like, it's kind of like when Jeremy and Natalie were together. Wendell just had a great point. Tony and Sarah, they were able to repeat it. However, we had edge of extinction. But, but also Tony and Sarah prior to that season had never really run the game together. Like game changers. Tony was out second. Talk a young. They worked again. Tony. They kind of did, but then it kind of fell apart when Sarah got voted out.

[01:55:23] But they had the most history. And then, like, I'm just saying. Yeah, yeah. Their duo going into Winners at War was not as obvious as, they had a lot of history. But it wasn't as obvious. Pops are us. I mean, Bryce, didn't Tony vote Sarah out in Winners at War? I mean, yeah. So that's why. From someone that was on the island. It was. You're on edge of extinction. Well, once you got to Winners at War, of course, that's when the relationship really came to fruition and blossomed. But they played three. We had games together. We had games together.

[01:55:52] Like, Tony and Sarah ran the game. They said, well, Tony got voted out second. The point is, on a Winners at War, the two of them were on the same starting tribe. And my lawn care is outside there. Oh, God. So, and they cut my grass. Bryce, I need to mulch. So we got to get out of the spot. We got to go. But also, there will be two people from 49.

[01:56:21] The internets have already named them. Yeah. We have. Well, I was going to say, like, I, obviously, we were going to find out. And I'm not mad at it. I do. Knowing who those people are going into 49, I don't want to get started on a sport. Obviously, it's a thing. But it does kind of, now there's this expectation. And you also kind of know they're going to do pretty well. So I kind of wish we didn't know that. Right? Like, if you look at this season and the worst-placing player was eighth place.

[01:56:51] Now we kind of, and assuming it's similar, now we know these two are already going to make the top eight. Like, that kind of takes them some spots. What if it's the first and second boot? Possibly. Possibly. Also, interesting. Now, I guess I'll give a spoiler warning. Because if you're like me and you wish you didn't know who these two people were, then maybe fast forward five minutes. Right? We can say that. But apparently, well, I don't remember the girl's name.

[01:57:16] But the guy in the trailer for 49, they really built him up as kind of a goop. The Riz God. Which, to me, is funny. Because, like, you know he's going on 50. And then you make him look, like, really. That's how they do. That could be great. Because if he looks like a goof in that clip. That's better than him. He's a shark. Yeah. But, I mean, well, it could be good for him. But, I mean, obviously, once you get to the island, if you're on 50, you're going to feel it out a lot more and get to know him.

[01:57:46] But I'm just thinking, like, even from a fan perspective, it's like, you guys are really sending the guy who calls himself the Riz God out there. I'd be like, come on. But, obviously, there's so much more to unpack. There's so much more to see. But it's less about him and more about, like, they know he's going out there and they paint him in this light. It's kind of funny. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if we need a Riz God on Survivor. But I guess we got to play. We'll see. You got to wait until you see.

[01:58:12] But, I mean, nevertheless, we have the cast of Season 50 before we have the cast of Season 49. Do what it is that you will. But we are excited here at Survivor News. And you can be sure that we'll cover Season 49 and Season 50. So keep it locked. We appreciate you for listening. And we will be back when we get the official photos to do a cast assessment. Any last words before we hide the on hold? Q, do your thing.

[01:58:42] My Guyanese family, do your thing. Sari, Ozzy. Where do we think they are? Or, like, did they, what, they flew out, like, yesterday? We think they're just settling into Fiji right now, pregame? I think so. It's funny to think about, like, all. Yeah. I think what Q's doing. And I wonder when we're going to get a text from Coach and be like, It's going to be a selfie.

[01:59:06] If we're talking texts again, somebody sent us a photo of, never mind. We're not talking texts. Well, I mean, because we could talk texts too, because I did get a text too. But okay. Well, we won't. All right. Listen, this has been your Survivor News covering Survivor Season 50. First look. We'll be back soon. See you soon. Bye. Bye. It's the Purple Pants. It's the Purple Pants.

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