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[00:00:25] Hello hello and welcome to the Purple Pants Podcast Survivor News Edition I serve as your humble and oh so gracious host, Bryce Isaiah And I thank you so much for tuning in to this week's Survivor News Recap If you could be so kind to ensure you are subscribed to the Purple Pants Podcast And as always with your Survivor News, you can watch this audio podcast on video Head over to the Bryce Isaiah YouTube channel, click subscribe

[00:00:53] Give this video a thumbs up and let us know in the comments what you think about this week's recap Join the baby boys are back Jack, myself and Wendell are here to discuss all things episode 11 or lack thereof With the end game in sight, the stakes have never been higher from a chaotic immunity challenge And a rare Jeff Probst correction to shifting alliances and a puzzling jury moment

[00:01:21] This episode had us clutching our buffs and we're here to break it all down Let's get into this week's Survivor News

[00:02:05] Survivor News We'll also have a different time of a year to build a better day We will be right, who are your first and the last video of soccer I have these last two episodes, the sixth hour of the week's gab We're here to discuss all things of the team What's popping? I'm glad to be here It's good to be there Well listen and the non liar of the trio of us We have the Jack to the Atkins You might remember him from season two of The Circle

[00:02:32] okay we got jackery what's popping with you jack he's taking a stand he's taking a stand just had to come flex on everybody real quick what's popping not this season it's listen it's a lot to get into about this season uh but we were just in dc last night

[00:03:02] shout out to the dc that came out to the bryce and win 48 of dc was great but jack you know what i always say one thing that i love about uh going to the dc events we get to meet some of the posse we get to meet the fans shout out to yes oh window we're going to go there shout out to one of the posse members that came from was it israel wendell yes israel she had a medical procedure or a medical

[00:03:27] consultation that was maybe tuesday she ex she decided to extend for bryce and win she didn't want to come by herself so she made her sister fly from colorado who was not a survivor fan but now was a bryce and win fan uh and just shout out to them shout out to the posse but also jack we got some questions for you baby questions for you jack and i just need for you to answer them real quick jack

[00:03:53] and i saw you guys on the news too that was cool yeah yeah shout out to us we were on fox 5 uh doing celebrity dish in the lion lunch hour uh dc fox 5 loves us did you hear him what he say they just they just have anybody on that huh uh no jack the younger

[00:04:18] version yeah i'll start i'll get this thing started let's talk about it yeah this is bad i don't i literally don't know what i'm expecting but ask it in a way that like it's not that lady like go ahead jack do you know what nasa stands for like not specifically it stands for the national

[00:04:40] aeronautics and space administration okay jack is great is gravity on earth gravity is like most most places yeah but it's in other places too okay do you know what the iss stands for international space station i like it i like it we're getting okay people were people pressing

[00:05:01] me about my astro knowledge is that what this is right okay now um let's see do you believe we landed on the moon like yeah but i i understand maybe i i yes or no yes or no suffices yes yes i believe thank you uh are we the only and do you believe in our universe we're the only intelligent

[00:05:28] life forms no i mean it's very complicated but i would say if you want yes you know i would say not let's get to the hard questions jack were you an alternate on ghost island no why okay well what don't talk about no also jack is this like a lot of technical tests yeah what what did you want to be

[00:05:51] when you were growing up jack i don't even know i wanted to be like a sports agent oh okay well listen well we met somebody last night all right that knew you very well very and has played some irl games with you and they said you know jack has changed a lot i i knew jack when jack wanted to be an

[00:06:17] astronaut did you want to be an astronaut jack no i never i never wanted to be an astronaut okay you were carson before carson jack jack somebody last night i like space and i studied some astro in college but i never would want to be an astronaut that's not terrible you met somebody that played an irl game with you that said the jack i knew then he wanted to be an astronaut they also said jack the window

[00:06:48] he said now no no no no what also what was jack's claim to fame in the irl jack's claim to fame was i want to it sounds like they don't know me that well because i generally i don't know jack something's lined up it sounds like something like back in my day i knew i used to ball with lebron i'm saying he said that he said that you said that you were the alternate for ghost island

[00:07:18] and that and that you know it was either you or or or it was either jack or michael yurger okay they were and they were weighing your options about this is genuinely not true like i wasn't even old enough to be on ghost island that's what we said that's that's what i said jack now that's now that's what i started looking at mind you but he was there with his wife and his wife was confirming this information and we're

[00:07:48] like are they can you text me i don't want to put them on blast but can you text me the name because this is like genuinely things that i would have never said like the only thing the only the only survivor thing i would have shared in that vein was that i got a call for edge of extinction but i definitely was not the ultimate like i was just like your um your nest credentials this is not publicly shared information so we can't share with you the name i can't have someone saying they knew me and putting me on blast for things that aren't true

[00:08:17] i mean come on i gotta have a word with right right before we met you for uh south africa because i said well this reminds me of the jack that i knew he was he was describing how knowing me and meeting me after in south africa wendell don't you think i would have been like oh i was an alternate for ghost island if that was actually something i said absolutely yeah no i know

[00:08:42] i literally what's up something no that's something you know i would share that i would share like i share a lot worse things than that but nevertheless jack this person sounds like this person doesn't know me i don't know i hope it's not someone that i consider to be a friend because it sounds like they're just spreading that it wasn't like negative though jack it was it was uh

[00:09:08] we might be spicing it a little bit i want to know who it is because to be honest with you like like like like it's gonna sound kind of maybe hostile of me to say this but like don't like keep my name out your mouth oh those things not a big time out time out wait none of that is jack jack hold on wait well just wait jack we we have a lie detector test jack wendell

[00:09:35] ask the question can i finish like the alternate no you don't no because we have to have the lie detector test wendell ask the question jack this is a yes or no question no no no no no no i am uploading the lie detector right now so just ask it to the system okay um was jack an alternate on ghost island no

[00:10:02] i wish i could say that i was guys that would be way cooler i mean um no i just feel like everything you said that they said about me is not anything i would have ever like genuinely not anything i would have said i've said a lot of ridiculous things that when i was like 17 18 19 none of those are true so i i like that and i respect the fact that it seems like they're trying to be like fun and be oh i knew jack back in the day but then don't rattle off three things about me that aren't true like that's just

[00:10:29] you know i at first i was believing it but then the ghost island thing for me jack i was like well he wasn't old enough however i was like we will absolutely uh bring this to the jack can you message me on the side who it was just so i can at least like think it through i'm not gonna i'm not gonna come for that but i want to if you if i don't know i'm just gonna think the rest of the podcast who was what wait what are you asking jack can you just send me the name of who it was like text it to me no i don't want to put them on blast but

[00:11:02] all right well after the pod you're gonna have to tell me or else i'm gonna listen uh so shout out to dc dc was a time uh and the bwp is not winding up but we are winding down we have our boston stop next week and do you think that's all we have is bwp boston no

[00:11:34] no it is not we have uh we have boston and we have the finale new york city we also have added a real talk that will be the night before on may 21st what is the topic of this year's real talk wendizzi this topic is a look ahead to survivor 50 so what we're going to be doing is um we're

[00:12:04] going to be like taking old school players and new school players and talking about what we uh i guess the evolution of the game and strategy and what um season 50 might look like so it's uh it's gonna great i know we got some great great people including michelle she's gonna speak on the panel um among others we've got carla we've got some heavy hitters also the night before and after that we will have our legendary karaoke party uh so tickets to all of these remaining events of the

[00:12:34] tour 48 are available head to brysonwin.com but listen let's get into this episode what an episode this episode could have been an alternate i'll go styling this episode we could have sent it to outer space i mean

[00:13:04] um yeah yeah way to start with do some fun yeah but it's another i mean right when i thought things were finally gonna get switched up uh mary okay so so i mean i don't know where you want to go but the thing that i will say that i was disappointed because listen you know i'm a mother i'm a mother

[00:13:32] mary stan and although mary might have been eating a coconut and although mary may not have been making the greatest pitch for her to stay i also feel like that was an absolute great pitch for her to stay and it it shocks me that no one wanted to work with her because at this stage of the game if i am

[00:13:59] mitch if i'm shaheen if i'm camilla no matter how she is around cal camp if she is making joe and eva upset in my opinion i feel like that's a great reason to keep her that i i just i don't know it just seems a little weird to me it seems like the the strong alliance really is strong but at what point in my

[00:14:25] opinion with love because i do love everyone out here are you playing a game to win or are you playing a game to get in whatever place it is that you sit in that alliance it's like it seems like people are so scared to shake this thing up and send everyone scrambling by getting rid of one of the dominant

[00:14:49] players that they're complacent with kind of staying in wherever it is that they're gonna land outside of that four and then it's like now i love joe right and i'm not mad at the position that joe was in but have we ever seen a player hold this much autonomy in the game to the point that like no one is no one

[00:15:19] even wants to go against him it's crazy like i'm not mad at joe i wish i could well some of that but it's like everyone saying we can't let them get to the end we're at the end like we're at the end yeah we we love joe we love all these people but and if i'm playing i want to be joe you know but

[00:15:47] if i'm watching i want to see something happen so you know hey he is running things he's running a tight ship over there i just want to see some of my people make a move on homeboy something yeah i'm really i mean in terms of as a viewer really wanted a move to be made

[00:16:10] um strategically obviously this sort of fell into the hands of like kyle and shahit and so i'm trying to think about from their perspective like i i i think there's definitely a case to make a move but i also sort of see why they didn't quite yet but i keep defending this saying next week's the time

[00:16:33] and it hasn't happened yet i think to call to call to sort of throw a crazy theory out there okay part of me wonders if maybe even a few episodes back maybe kyle and shahean came together and said let's ride this this group out until the final six and then at the final six and i'm glad

[00:16:59] i saw one of the comments from last week just before we started this because apparently eva's safety without power is now expired so that's something you know they didn't know about it but it's actually something that is off the table now so that changes things because now next week they can go in with mitch and with uh camilla and split the vote on joe and eva uh obviously that that that do people on the tribe know that though well i think that no no what like that it expires well

[00:17:27] they didn't even know she had it so well true okay um so i'm thinking in their mind i think it's possible episodes ago that uh kyle and shaheen kind of maybe came to this agreement that they're gonna rock with this group and then maybe at six they can split the vote with whoever's left and i think that's actually you know a pretty good idea um because you know you split the vote you know even my player idol maybe joe goes and then you can probably get eva or whoever out of five if you're kyle or joe that or kyle shaheen that gives you a really good chance to get to the end now i don't

[00:17:57] know if that's really the conversation they had obviously that relies on each other to actually to go with the move which given how loyal they've been so far i don't know if that is going to happen whereas i kind of like at seven if you take the shot that you're kind of the one controlling it but at the same time if kyle were the one to flip at seven kyle might be the biggest target now so that is you know maybe a point of concern so i think there is a there is a good plan moving forward

[00:18:23] to possibly take out joe i don't even know if they would take out eva after the only you know issue is that joe's been great in these immunity challenge eva obviously still has that idol but if one of them wins immunity next time which i think is a pretty good chance then it's like oh you might not have a shot at joe you might win it again five and then joe's i think is pretty good with fire like you don't want to be in a situation where now you can't even take a shot at joe when you could have

[00:18:50] at seven made a move and and and had time to figure it out but strategically just i think i don't mind it from shaheen and kyle it's really it's boring but i i don't mind it i think there's definitely a case to be made um but it is it is boring and kind of frustrating to watch i'm gonna push back a little bit uh on half of what you're saying i do mind it from a shaheen's perspective right because

[00:19:17] i feel like and again this is just me as a viewer i don't feel like as a viewer we have seen enough of shaheen's agency right we know it exists however and wendell and i were stuck in the car for four hours a day and we had to watch the episode so wendell and i have talked about this but like from a kyle's perspective now i i love me a kyle but i feel like this episode in my opinion showed me

[00:19:41] what side kyle was on right kyle camilla is like listen you as long as either one or two get to the end i'm fine with that and kyle agreed but i also feel like kyle agreed to camilla in this fam in this fashion of being like yes camilla i don't mind if one me being one you being two get to the end as long as the one gets to the end right like kyle in my opinion has made this decision that like i want

[00:20:09] to work with you camilla but i'm putting my game first and i watching this episode in dc last night i don't i i really feel like kyle is setting himself kyle wants to go to the end with joe i i really feel like knowing what you know listen let me let me cook for a second because like kyle is a

[00:20:33] lawyer right like kyle is smart as hell right let's be and look at this jewelry right like and i think that kyle has a read on the jewelry that we as viewers may not have and i feel like kyle is like you know what i'll take my risk with joe because look at it who's had to fight more who's had to like and again we're talking of this like honor and integrity but yes and i i love joe but joey joe has been

[00:21:04] running the empire right and most people we want to take down the empire the empire lives at the top of the house he's got workers and other people and so sometimes people rebel against that although they'll follow the order of law i really feel like people are going to rebel against that and when you look at this jewelry you look at star you you i mean i think that in my opinion what was very clear

[00:21:30] was david last night right taking that stand and at the end you i saw cedric even whisper something to him right where i feel like the jury might like joe but i also feel like the jury might be like you've been in power this whole time what really other than you holding the power what does that do and then you have

[00:21:55] someone like a kyle who can give a closing statement who can think about it let kyle reveal his relationship to camilla like that's mind-blowing i just feel like with kyle kind of essentially in my mind telling camilla this episode like listen sis i love you but if it's me or you is you not me i'm going to the end with deep like i feel like kyle is gearing up for something i

[00:22:23] didn't quite think that's how he was saying it to mille but i do agree i think joe's stock with the jury has gone down a little bit and i do understand maybe kyle or even shaheen's perspective even though we haven't seen as much as of it to be like maybe if i go to the end with joe and eva who their whole thing it was like loyalty da da da da this jury doesn't really seem like they're buying into that maybe i can explain how maybe i can out explain joe and eva i think it's very valid and

[00:22:53] again kind of boring like i don't know if that's exactly the way i'd want to go but it does seem like not a bad if kyle has thought in his mind like i can be joe and eva then you might as well just keep going with this um maybe it's true like it's a risk to potentially take yeah because yeah i mean if you flip on joe and it's like then you're pretty exposed the rest of the way and the only the only thing is like now if they do want to flip i guess that's the big question is like

[00:23:18] less about like when should they flip or how they flip it's more like do they even want to flip and maybe they just don't and that's why the season has just been so such a straight narrow the only thing is now if kyle i feel like my thought has been more that kyle probably doesn't i don't think he wants to get the end with joe necessarily but he doesn't want to have to pick between joe and camilla so he's just going to take out everybody else except for them and then he might not have the agency

[00:23:44] to change anything right like if they get to five and it's like joe eva shaheen kyle and camilla then i think then that kyle's in more trouble and now he might get to four make fire get to the end because they'd probably take out camilla first but it's still like one of those things like he's trying to have his cake and eat it too but eventually you know you're not you're gonna lose bull when you've been eating your cake in the dark will it make a big stink that like when like you know what i'm saying like i just i'm just i feel like kyle and camilla's some of my relationships

[00:24:14] with these men's is that like the world don't know they sleeping in my bed and so like when we break up i might be upset but i don't have to go on they're not making an instagram post about me we don't have to like do all of these things and so i feel like he's been a little more public with a joe's relationship and so i feel like that might tarnish the reputation a little more as to his relationship with camilla

[00:24:43] i'll tell you what um when i when when we saw that conversation between kyle and camilla bryce we had the conversation in the car it's like uh yeah yeah i just want to see one of us sit at the end yeah me too i just want to see one of us sit at the end and again i think i think it was kyle saying i just want to see one of us sit at the end um and also it's like if camilla is the first

[00:25:08] to say i just want to see one of us sit at the end then that to me that's you're my jury vote now like and and you are the person that is is gonna politic for me in the jury so i'm hoping that that's not the case i'm still rooting for everyone guy in ease for sure i want them both at the end when i see them and how they talk to each other and how they look at each other that's how i felt with laurel on

[00:25:30] my season i want to see these two at the end i still i still hold hope that can happen but when it comes to um the kyle looking forward i think kyle just wants to get to the end i think he's like you know what i am a good talker i can i do have a strong game i've won here and there i've won rewards etc um i've i've played the game so if i'm at the end i have a puncher's a fighter's chance at this

[00:25:58] thing if it's with joe all right i don't necessarily want to sit with him but i'm i'm down for it that was me and dom i was like yo okay if i gotta sit next to dom at the end i'm gonna do what i gotta do you know and so that that's what i got it is an interesting point because i mean it seems like kyle's thinking about this like every day out there where i almost think he and he's got these

[00:26:26] two avenues to go and i guess in his mind it's sort of like if i betrayed joe joe might be the type that would not give me his vote and kind of poison the jury towards me whereas if he goes to the end with joe and he can kind of string camilla along as long as he can maybe to final five and then say like oh

[00:26:49] i'm gonna try to work with you and then joe even shaheen vote out camilla now kyle still keeps up that that um right that that uh yeah the the yeah exactly that he wants to work with her she gets voted out through no fault of kyle's even though him his hands are clean and then she goes to the jury and like you said she's a jury vote for him and she's gonna say really positive things about how

[00:27:17] they had the secret relationship now if i were camilla at that point i don't know if i'd be as if i had someone who it's like if someone's leading me on you know for for like weeks in this game almost and never makes the move i'm gonna be like okay you said you were gonna work on me but clearly you were just stringing me along but camilla seems less likely to be bitter than like joe even though i think camilla would almost have more right to be um so i i guess i i do i mean i think kyle's i think

[00:27:45] kyle's playing the best game right now i think he's got a lot of options and i see why it's such a thing to weigh because it's like okay who has the most stock with the jury but also the jury might be bitter and they might look at it this way and then if i put out this person here that might make me bigger there's a lot for him to factor and i think he's handling it pretty well um and i kind of see why again i think it's boring but again sometimes the best survivor is boring to watch like in terms of gameplay uh i can see why he's getting rid of these sort of other variables

[00:28:12] like a mary to make to boil it down by himself time to kind of work out his decision more and more before he really like takes a shot or doesn't take a shot but whatever the other thing is this if if kyle votes out joe who is the big glaring big biggest threat it'll be eva and if eva is there i don't know i'm saying at the okay go ahead well you know but as with with still numbers

[00:28:37] remaining in the game and vote outs to heaven if you voted out joe last night who's everyone looking at eva kyle kyle i think eva i think eva then becomes the biggest threat and i also feel like but listen look at this right now bro i think he's a losing finalist at this point well i i'm not i agree with that and i also think that eva thinks that as well but what i'm saying to you is that like

[00:29:00] i feel like if kyle were to get if if kyle were at the end with joe i feel like kyle could win it however if kyle got rid of joe and eva sits there i think that changes things and i think that ups eva's stock a little bit more i think it ups eva's stock but i also think kyle then rises to be okay he made that he directed this move now he's the biggest threat um obviously having joe on the jury advocating

[00:29:29] for her and giving her some some time in the game to maneuver by herself a little bit could be good for her game but i don't think as soon as she loses her number one she's not now the biggest threat in my opinion um i think the biggest missed opportunity and i'll go on record and i say this with love because i love my girl camilla and i loved my girl laurel i think that we are seeing this loyalty that

[00:29:54] they have working with a wendell and working with a kyle and i feel like if i am camilla after last week i brought you a plan right and i think we hear kyle this episode say like camilla is my mastermind i can go with her with my problems and she can figure it out last week camilla gave you an option you said i don't know about it this week camilla is bringing you another option and you're like

[00:30:23] and again i'm not mad because it's good for kyle's game kyle doesn't want to rock the rock the boat rock the boat work the middle change new position new position that's like for me stroke it for me stroke it for me i want you to rock rock the boat

[00:30:45] rock the boat work the middle work the middle name name name song an artist jack rock the boat yep this is where y'all it gets a little harder yes maybe but if we haven't sung this song to you in four seasons and i also was talking to a posse

[00:31:11] member that said yeah we get it jack might not know that but some of these songs jack should know shout out to our girl sid and you met sid in austin she was in dc and d sid said jack should know some of cities right and sid dressed up as me for halloween one time long ago i'm sorry sid um can i get a hint this person died tragically damn

[00:31:35] i mean all right i don't know some would say she now we're not even going to do that not in the midst of a cowboy car to tour so don't even go there because i know what you're about to say we're not going to compare this person to beyonce although we love this person but like let's just be clear we're not going to do that oh that's what someone said no i don't know aliyah

[00:32:02] whoo yeah i wanted to get that's like a go-to and i don't want to just be well that's why we are making it easier for you but here's my thing what i was saying was that like listen at this point if i'm camilla and i'm locked in and i love you kyle but you've revealed your cards to me enough and that's why what kyle's doing is actually so good is because camilla has like no house to go like she has to wait for kyle to make a move like what's she gonna she can't pull like what's

[00:32:31] she gonna she mary and mitch are ready to go but there's shaheed she's not gonna get shaheen she's not gonna get joe she's not gonna eva so kyle's just such a she has a mary she like i feel like she and you're right right you're right jack she doesn't necessarily have anywhere to go but at this point if i'm a camilla and i've made it this far i'm working with a mary i'm gonna say that i'm gonna go back to a joe i'm gonna go back to eva and say hey i just walked up on mary's

[00:32:58] right mary does have an idol like i like camilla is smart as hell camilla can come up with some so she's unforgettable okay i was like yeah just for her to get a little more active by herself and just try to yeah um you said she's on unforgettable yes as opposed to got fun betrayal which this season i have it is not

[00:33:25] i'm with joe because that's what i saw okay i saw that too joe that's how you know you're in the wrong spot on a puzzle if bryce agrees with you he should have known um a big thing i i want to do um you know we touched on a little bit we talked like i mentioned i think joe's

[00:33:51] stock is is falling a little bit and the biggest takeaway that i had was with this mary situation about you know mary is a great at playing from the bottom i think she did everything she should have done this episode and everyone you know people were just so tight-knit that it didn't work but like what you know she did her best um joe i thought it was a huge blunder what he did in reaction you know and

[00:34:18] it didn't even it wasn't even that obvious to me at first but if mary is bluffing her idol and camilla is safe has immunity and you go to mitch and kyle and suggest that you might throw a vote somewhere kyle and mitch reacted perfectly they're like what on us because the only other people he could vote for were evan and shaheem so joe clearly didn't like i would assume his vote would be

[00:34:44] on mitch but like joe clearly didn't think this through at all which i think this it's such a blunder that i think it kind of makes me rethink a lot about joe he's an excellent social player and great at leading this group but when it comes to like i think any layered strategy it seems like and obviously it's late in the game people tired but like i don't think really anyone else in this game is making a blunder like that it was it was pretty bad like and he it almost seemed like

[00:35:10] he almost suggested like could i throw a vote on you it's like you didn't almost jack jack he said hey hey hey where the round town is mary might throw something on me wendell and jack which one of y'all which one of y'all's names i'm not listen we we we're not gonna do it jack but uh i'm uh just

[00:35:39] throw which one of y'all is insane yeah it's like i get him being a little bit nervous but that's not like and i get him also being like if they were in my shoes they would be worried too sure they've been in your shoes that you're gonna vote for them instead where you're like that that to me almost shows like like no it's kind of like who do you think you are in this game like that's what happens

[00:36:07] when you're in power right like when you're in power for so long he's drunk with power yes this is why i think maybe the jury's perception of him is is not going to be as good as it should be because it's like for him to it's so like like to be like oh is it cool if i like i'm worried can i throw a vote for you so that she plays an idol like that you would go home instead of me is basically what yeah it's like why would i ever and if she does have an idol then

[00:36:33] i'm going home joe why would i be cool with that like if someone asked me that i would be like are you insane like no what like i'm not even mad because the way joe did it when we in the car i had to ask wendell i was like well why wouldn't they do it right well why wouldn't they do it when it's like no that don't make sense bryce i'm like oh shit like i'm listening to joe but listen for me real

[00:36:59] quick wendeezy for me this is why i love joe right i love a contradicting king right because i'm a contradicting king myself right all all second half of the episode we won't we vote and marry stay cool 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 mary eating the coconuts you saw joe go

[00:37:21] 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 here go mary your breath stink 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 here go mary ask you 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 mary say hey everybody hey just i know i'm going home but before i go home joe i'm putting the vote on you joe's like hey hey we need a meeting now

[00:37:49] eva kyle shaheen mitch come here like i love that i just loved the the paranoia uh of a joe in all episode the edit has been trying to like have him control the paranoia but i do have thoughts but wendell what were you going to say have we seen because i remember in ghost island dom and i got

[00:38:14] blindsided like episode three and they voted out morgan and that's that was the all the survivor school we needed at the time to learn and to snap into it has joe had one of these moments in this game or has he been riding a high literally the whole game he had even been on top the whole time

[00:38:37] this is a this is tremendous power you have you have yet to i guess falter or fail or for anything to not go your way so yeah we could say he's almost like um it's like if everything you do turns to gold if everything you touch turns to gold then yeah you could be like you know what i'm just gonna say certain things to whatever people and when something finally doesn't go your way or when mary wants to

[00:39:04] call you out now you're really shaking up um i will i will say for as strong of a game as joe's been playing we have seen him slip up socially like didn't he slip up socially with mary like last episode or something when you know like basically why people were like blaming her for david and things like that like three jury management type of stuff you know so we know that this man isn't like the

[00:39:32] perfect player um but yeah i think the falters in his game are are when he sees something coming for him and now he's trying to socially maneuver and some like so that i think that those things are his achilles here it's what makes so interesting casting wise too is like we see joe values like honesty and integrity and he is obviously a man of those principles but he's also playing to win like

[00:40:01] we can tell he's playing to win um and i just think in this day and age you're never going to be able to win the game of survivor playing fully honest and fully with full integrity but it seems like joe is still coming to terms with that and so he's trying his best to but he also like subconsciously knows he has to lie a little bit or whatever but he's not really like accepting that part of i mean it reminds me of his reaction to what david said like he went against his word like obviously that was maybe a little bit

[00:40:29] exaggerated but obviously joe i think couldn't even comprehend why david would even say that because in joe's mind he's playing with so much integrity now let me be clear like you you like joe shouldn't be playing like joe is starting to to go against that a tiny bit and i don't think joe's really understanding that but then he gets himself in these situations where it's like okay well i i did like it's almost like i do have to lie to you but he like doesn't really want to but then he's like

[00:40:56] that's why he's like he trips up on his words a little bit um which is i think obviously as a viewer as a fan that like i'm like go for it joe like go do it um but he's it's almost like he doesn't even know that that's what he's starting to find the position he's finding himself in but like i feel like he is finding himself in that position and i feel like he's kind of running camp like what a boston rob would do in old school when we make a decision and he doesn't want you to talk because if you don't talk then people can't like twist your words and we kind of saw that with um mary when

[00:41:25] mary was like no one's talking to me and if anyone talks to me then it's like it ruffles the feather and so it's like again kudos to joe right like because although as a viewer i hate it however if i'm in joe's shoes and i can lock it down i ain't mad and again i really do feel like respectfully some of the blunder is on that people that are left in the game that aren't able to pick up on this that's

[00:41:52] for me is what the what frustrates me i understand like you want to fall in line but sometimes you got to buck back sometimes like you we need a revolution okay the revolution will be televised and we're watching tv now what i will say is that joe's blunder this episode of him getting hyped like oh what are we gonna do i feel like that was a lot of the edit because at the end of the day

[00:42:17] if joe felt like he was in trouble baby best believe miss eva will have come through with the idol so quick and the fact that there is no footage of them even discussing that makes me maybe even believe now here's a wild thought could joe have been acting is there now hear me out is there a world

[00:42:43] where joe hears this information and then kind of like acts a little overreacted like he did to kind of almost signal to the other people that like maybe he's not in power like you know it kind of lowers his like threat level of like he's would be more nervous about it right to be a little more nervous about it because then now it's like you've got people like shaheen and mitch comforting you

[00:43:09] like don't worry about that they didn't wrote my name down it was quite comforting i do think it wrong even then mitch the wrong way a little bit but i know where you're coming from right like humanize you a little bit i mean he didn't go about it a great way like i still maintain that you like with him saying like to mitch basically being like to mitch can i like write you that's

[00:43:34] the thing with joe wanting to keep integrity i think in his mind he's like what's like the most honest thing i could do is it's to go ask mitch if i could like write his name down which is way worse to do and honestly it seems way more deceitful than to just be like okay let me talk to eva and maybe one of us throws a vote on mitch like that's okay like that's the thing he's getting himself in these pickles trying to be honest but then he's trying to be like so honest that it's like no

[00:44:02] that's like way more messed up like what like why would you like you know what i mean yeah you just write it down and then you say your apologies after i'd be more offended if i was mitch that joe asked me like thinking that i would be okay with that than if he just did it like another blunder blunder or a blind side that i i i'm shocked that kyle not taking this avenue because i feel like eva

[00:44:25] at this point we we see eva she goes on another reward eva picks the purple rock eva does the the challenge eva doesn't go for knowledge without power because why does she need knowledge without power because eva has the power so it doesn't matter but i love our right that's what that's what eva got not knowledge what is it knowledge with power safety safety with power safety without power

[00:44:51] safety without power right but eva turned it down because she's like i've got the safety with the power so i don't need this but eva coming back and essentially like her rationale was like i'm one for the team one for all all for one right i'm for the team was that her rationale well her rationale was like well i got everything so it's like i don't need it what do i do i was like y'all wanted this so you could take take my shit but i don't need it like because i got everything

[00:45:20] eva uh eva got back to the camp it was like i know y'all will want this but not today and at tribal when eva said like i'm for the team like i'm doing what i can for the team i want to know is there a point in kyle's mind where he's like i wonder if there's a way that i could utilize camilla to orchestrate a joe getting out and if i orchestrate that who's the

[00:45:48] next person that eva is closest to is me and now it's like i want all of that armory that you've got and utilize it to protect me like i don't know i feel like that's a that could be that's a winning move for a kyle i like that idea the problem is well a kyle like we said last week would have to be a kind of a part of it i feel like and b i feel like eva of course if she catches wind or something like

[00:46:16] that or knows that kyle was involved i feel like eva you know it eva seems like the type that if someone stabs in the back she's like never gonna forgive you and like partly because you know we know that she doesn't have the best ability to pick up on you know people are lying or telling her the truth so it just feels like and that's like a vulnerability of hers so if you do lie to her i think like that's it with eva like you're not winning her back over she's not trying to get lied to multiple times

[00:46:41] right i mean which is what survivor is all about she's she's had it pretty good in that sense but um i do think if eva got like lied to by her alliance she would be like she's she'd freak out like she would yeah i it would which would be interesting to see her play from the bottom but i don't know it doesn't seem like we're gonna have to do that i also feel like the only person that's really really honest in the honest integrity tribe uh alliance is eva and i almost feel like the way that eva

[00:47:10] reveals her truth right like i it's like uh it's like her power and her superpower right like where it's like she just like tells everybody everything and it's great because it disarms her it really does like i don't think anyone really is looking at eva as a threat at this point only in the sense of because it's like well girl you've been at the top and we know everything and so it's like there's

[00:47:36] no need to portray betray you uh because it's like we know everything and so i look at it like well i want to make sure i'm good with eva i want to like i i i'm here for her is that i this is why i say i do think eva's playing probably the closest thing to an honest game that we've seen in a long time but that's why i don't feel like an honest game can really win in the new era because i think especially with a lot of the criteria that jury members typically factor in especially more so on

[00:48:03] other seasons i mean this season maybe there's a little a little bit more integrity i mean this jury i say but i it's like if i'm there it's like okay eva like you're straightforward and honest about everything that's cool i really like you but that's not a game i'm gonna vote for so right and that's fine but she's still killing it right but again i'm just saying yeah i think you sort of were saying like that made her maybe more her game maybe i misinterpreted the ways of it i felt like

[00:48:28] you were saying that's like something that people might value to vote for i'm like no no i value to work with not vote for yeah okay cool yeah because i think it's great she's the best ally you could have absolutely that's why and that's why i think no one's targeted her because it's like well if i can get and go with eva and i don't think people are going to work with her then i definitely want to keep her around like here it's not much in this episode so we don't need to talk more but i would

[00:48:53] love to know your two perspectives on this who actually is playing the more honest game kyle or joe i mean i would say i guess i'd say joe i guess joe but i think there's a case to be made for kyle but the only thing is that the way kyle's playing the game is he's got a lot of honesty right

[00:49:21] now but at some point inevitably he's gonna have to break it and so he's he's he's really honest right now but inevitably he's gonna really betray one of his number ones whereas joe isn't gonna have to do that but but okay right okay i'm with that but i also what say that again kyle is kyle is not being honest about his relationship with camilla right but what if what if camilla

[00:49:49] and eva go to fire and even when fire right like even like um that would require like kyle or yoga before right so kyle would have to well he did have to like make a move or really just like passively not make a move which i think really hurts like but is there a way that camilla could go and that kyle's hands are clean well sort of but that would right that would require either taking out like a

[00:50:15] shaheen or joe at five and so and it's at that point it's like we've talked about kyle helping set up those moves and like not pulling the trigger but if he also if he knowingly does that then that's not honest that's like that's like shaheen goes isn't shaheen in the loyal and honest alliance with kyle and joe yeah so if kyle were part of getting out shaheen then he's no longer being honest because he just betrayed that alliance wouldn't joe have to be a part of getting out shaheen as well

[00:50:41] not necessarily what if kyle goes against camilla in fire eats her in fire that bolsters him he wins the game yeah i mean kyle i think he's the front runner right now to be honest with you yeah again well i mean i don't know i think joe might be the front runner but i just i'm just what we're seeing of joe lately though is is really it is partly the editing but that's you know a factor i think it's hurting his stock like he last week he had a slip up with mary this week he

[00:51:10] has a slip up with like i was talking to mitch and i think with this jury that they're i feel like if i'm on the jury i'm gonna be pretty sick of joe not because he's done anything wrong but like if like we talked about even earlier in the post-merge with david if they're all talking about this integrity and strength and loyalty and i'm not a part of that and i and i was never gonna be a part of that then i'm not really thrilled about casting my vote for joe and i feel like that's how a lot of the jury members are gonna feel like i feel like david's not gonna vote for joe i feel like mary's not

[00:51:39] gonna want to vote for joe i don't think i want to vote for joe i don't know if cedric's gonna want to vote for joe uh i don't know if star is gonna want to vote for joe they probably all he's so loyal to his people but he also had relationship with them and then they feel betrayed so um i like that's the thing but and that and that's what's my question to you is then is joe really playing a loyal game like who's actually playing the more loyal game joe or kyle and i feel like with joe with kyle being a lawyer

[00:52:04] i feel like kyle might get to the end and give a closing statement that kind of can reflect something like that and i think might be like i don't know agree that's i i think that's a yeah if i was a betting man i'd be i'm betting on kyle to win for sure and it's it's not it hasn't been flashy but it's been really strong quality like solid survivor at this point it could be one

[00:52:30] of the best games of the new era just in like how he just played it by the book and he's done it really well it doesn't have to be flashy yeah and again i i'm also still holding out that again they brought knowledge without power back to season the last time we've seen it was when what power without knowledge knowledge without power knowledge is power knowledge is power knowledge is power they brought knowledge is power this season the last time we've seen it was season 43 right

[00:52:58] and who won that season gabler i'm still holding out that again my job i wouldn't be mad if joe won i wouldn't be mad if kyle won i'm still holding out a shayne camilla camilla i'm still i'm still holding out my baby boy mitch my goal on immunity i'm just saying i i i'm still holding out who has the best shot say somehow joe and kyle neither of them are there like if say it's like an eva like that

[00:53:27] right then the other contenders would be like eva shaheen um uh camilla i don't really know if mitch is a contender at this point and i hate to say that but like it's it's there's not enough time for him to turn things around like who wins of like a shaheen and camilla and an eva uh doesn't necessarily have to be that final three specifically like mitch could be in that mix and get a vote or two but and i love camilla but i i think i might have to go with shaheen only because camilla and kyle's

[00:53:53] relationship has been so undercover yeah people just might not believe it yeah you could have he has been out here shaheen been like you know so that's my only thing but agree like for us as a viewer kyle and camilla's secret relationship has been amazing but if it's that secret that nobody knows about you never do anything with it like after the merge it's like okay like me me and wendell could say we have a secret alliance and but if we never like work together then it doesn't really matter

[00:54:26] yeah well i mean again it's safe to say that this episode wasn't the greatest like action-packed wise however if you're playing a game like a joe you're playing a game like a kyle you're playing a game like a shaheen like i mean it's slow and steady wins the race can i ask a quick question to cap it off i know you have to run bryce but just say it could be like a quick answer we've been talking about

[00:54:50] it every episode do we think final six is something gonna happen or is it just gonna be like mitch or camilla that goes up nothing's happening i i think it's at this point from what i've seen i honestly think that it's it's like they're gonna pick everybody off because like what up like who

[00:55:14] else you got to make a move like i got that i'd like to see it it's mr camilla yeah kyle and probably both have to be down to like split the vote right like kyle's not gonna go to rocks at this point oh no yeah yeah you can only you can only show me but so many times i'm gonna believe who you are you know so um damn i had so oh the other thing i wanted to say quickly quickly was

[00:55:41] jack you mentioned a couple times we've seen joe's edit kind of like um sliding a little bit we've seen kyle's edit kind of rising a little bit and i will also remind you guys that sometimes they um and again i see either one of them winning it like those are my what i i see either one of them winning it um but sometimes they uh they bolster the second place person's edit a little bit towards the end or

[00:56:06] whatever to make um it interesting to make it look like oh my goodness you know or even the third place person they bolstered it towards the end to make it look like wow like we're gonna see something and then we still might get a serious imbalance with the votes it's fair yeah my final thought is as although we are viewers and maybe we're not happy with the outcome because it's not an exciting game

[00:56:30] at this point in the season last season we got operation italy and he flipped the game on his head right i do just want to remind the viewers and the people that are watching that although it might not be interesting to us baby shaheen mitch camilla eva kyle and joe they still out there fighting right like it's it it it may not be that exciting to us but it's still in that moment in time it's a war going

[00:57:00] on uh and so i just you know just wanted to remind the people of that uh jackery what's what's the emoji if you made it thus far in the episode what what emoji should the people be using let's go with uh let's go with a wave emoji like like a like a ocean wave not like a wave wave let's go like an ocean wave because i think we're all hoping people make some waves uh and then the rest of the season

[00:57:23] and let's do some prayer hands also prayer hands wave because we're praying we're praying for a wave well listen jack wendizzi we appreciate you for stopping by uh and the baby boys will be in boston next week following that we'll be in uh new york city for the finale you can get your tickets at brysonwin.com this has been your survivor news season 48 episode 11 we'll be back next week let's go thank you for listening and watching

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