Purple Pants Podcast | A Rift Between All of Us: Survivor 48 Episode 8 Recap

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[00:01:19] Head over to the Bryce Isaiah YouTube channel, click subscribe, give this video a thumbs up, and let us know in the comments what you think about this week's recap. The baby boys have reconvened. Jack Atkins, Wendell Holland, and myself are here to discuss episode eight. We're talking about the advantages, we're talking about the reward, we're talking about the challenges, and we are most definitely breaking down tribal council,

[00:01:46] and a lot to unpack and so many nuances that we want to share with you. So let's get into this week's Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News.

[00:02:15] Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Dot, dot, dot. And we are back with your Survivor News, covering Survivor Season 48, Episode 8. Ooh, that has kind of sort of a ring to it. Let's welcome back to the podcast, the first merge boot of winners at war.

[00:02:43] He might own a hotel in Philadelphia called The Gas Lamp, and you should check it out, thegaslamp.com. Let's welcome back to the podcast, Win D. Z. What's up, Perp? It's good to be back. Good to be back. Good to be back. Good to hear you using your voice. I'm awake, you guys. Oh, are we? But I can also see your knee, so that probably means you have your socks off and you're getting ready to clip some toenails.

[00:03:12] I got my slippers on. Okay, well listen, enough about you, the man, the myth, the star of Survivor News. Let's welcome back the featured film that will be on YouTube available maybe this week, Lil Brick, but AKA Jackery Atkins. Jack was popping in. Oh yeah, I had to throw it on. I think I might have grown a few sizes since you sent it to me, but...

[00:03:45] He's a growing boy. Welcome back, Jack. Just throw on the Purple Pants Podcast sweatshirt, get yours everywhere. Yeah, listen, they still are available. Uh, what's going on? Jack, we got a lot to unpack. And listen, I'm gonna just let the posse know now. I'll pin when we start talking about the episode, but I mean, I don't know what there is, what's there to talk about. There is stuff to talk about, about the episode.

[00:04:14] I'm gonna say that right now. Okay. Well, listen, when these... I'm gonna need to carry this one, cause... I know, Jack, that's all you. Uh, when DZ and I just got back from the Ron Clark Academy in Atlanta. Shout out to the baby boy, Ron Clark. This is our first time there. And... Jack... When I say... I don't... Ron Clark know how to throw a party, okay? And I'll say this now.

[00:04:44] Hey, Ron, if you're listening... Bryson Ron present... Has a ring to it. Okay. Okay. You BRB. You fire me on air? Oh, sorry. Jack, when I tell you, I mean, I've... First of all, the Ron Clark Academy itself is just an awesome place. It's like, hard work.

[00:05:14] Excuse me? It's like, wait, what was that? Your attempt to say... Wait, try it again. Okay. The Ron Clark Academy is like walking into Hogwarts. No, okay. Hard work. Hor... Har... Har... Har... Oh, no. I'm close though, right? You gotta let him sit with this, Jack. You gotta let him sit with this. You gotta let him sit with this. Harg words.

[00:05:44] Close. You're getting there. Harg words. It's two... It's just two regular words put together. Yes. The first one is one of your favorite things. Okay. Harg words. And the second one is Kyle. You got the second part down pretty good. Harg words. Harg words. It's just getting worse again. Now he's just butchering it. What is it, Jack? It's Hogwarts.

[00:06:15] Hogwarts. Okay. Just hog? Hog. Hogwarts. No, no. You're glitching out. Hog. Warts. Warts. Hogwarts. Hogwarts. Oh my gosh. Stop putting that R in the first syllable. Hogwarts. Stop putting the R in the first syllable. Hogwarts. Better? Say again? Okay.

[00:06:45] Being at the Ron Clark Academy is like being at Hogwarts. Okay, that was the best one you had. I mean, it's like... Just don't ask about the houses at Hogwarts. I mean, but every room, every... A time was had, Jack. A time was had. It looked electric. I mean, you know, Ron invited me, which I was really flattered by.

[00:07:15] But being the broke boy that I am, and the busy boy that I am, I wasn't able to make it. But I'm like, Ron, please invite me to the next one. I'll be there. But speaking of Hogwarts, you're wearing all green. Would you say... Are you a Slytherin? I'm... Well, listen. Don't let him get face to face with the bastards. Because... Wait a second, Jack. Oh no! Listen, Jack, I gots to do it.

[00:07:45] Right down there in the Chamber of Secrets. I gots to do it. Okay, because... Listen, Jack... Oh no! The britchers got a stain in them this time. Because at Hogwarts, you'll never believe, Jack. You'll never... Jack, I be old over here, I gots to... Ah!

[00:08:20] David... Was in the building at Hogwarts. Did you try to steal his wand? And... The hog might have had warts because... Oh! My God! At every opportunity, Bryce was yelling, take your shirt off, Jack. I mean, at that moment, Bryce... I think Bryce is the reason why... I think Bryce started screaming, take it off! And that's why he took it off right there. When Ron announced him to the crowd.

[00:08:51] After the show... After the show, David is standing up with a mic in hand amongst 800 people being interviewed by Ron Clark. And all you hear is Bryce, take it home! And every opportunity. Who encouraged me, Wendell? I have no idea. Also, Jack, I owe you an apology. I feel like, you know, we said before Jack got a type. We know Jack's survivor type, okay?

[00:09:20] Last season, it was Sam. And Jack... Sam has a new name, okay? Sam's name is not Sam anymore. It's J-Sam. Because... Okay? J-Sam is my favorite person in the whole entire world. Sam is... He's a character, Jack. Jack, you know how you and I cut up? I mean, I think me and J-Sam cut up even more.

[00:09:50] So... Even more? Even more, Jack... What do you think he learned it from, Bryce? No, no, no. Listen, I support the Jack type because the episode started... Thomas and Sam are walking down to the auditorium. Also, you know, Wendell and I had front row seats, Jack. I get into the auditorium and... I don't know if you say auditorium, but you can't say Hogwarts. Hogwarts. Listen, Jack, it's 800 people.

[00:10:19] I get into the auditorium. I walk into the auditorium, Jack. No lie. Who's at the front of the auditorium looking for Bryce? Bryce! You remember all of the fiasco in season whatever it was, 45, when he got mad at us, Jack? I don't remember that. I wasn't gonna let this happen again. Well... Save seats. Who was you? Who? Wait, who? Who was it? You remember when he got mad at me because Bruce snuck by and took his seat. I was mad at Jack too. It was...

[00:10:49] I will never let this happen again. I sneak into the auditorium hours in advance. I put my jacket down. I tell Tevin to hold some seats. When they start letting people in. You have the students. Really? I'm boxing students out left and right. I'm like, Bryce, I have a seat. Bryce! You know what? Bryce! People are like, Bryce, Wendell's looking for you. I'm like, oh my God, what's going on, Jack? I get up there. Wendell's like, which seat do you want?

[00:11:18] It's people like, can I sit here? And I'm like, I don't know what's going on. I'm like, I'll sit here. So Wendell had the whole front row curated. Okay? It gets dark. See, but we know Bryce loved that. So Wendell, don't let him... I mean, I didn't appreciate it. I didn't let him know at the time, but I did appreciate it. Jack, Wendell had sunglasses, a book bag, chapstick, and hats on the seat. It was like, what's going on?

[00:11:47] But, so, it's like, it's me, Say. Say says hi, Jack. It's Tevin. It's Tiffany. It's Tsunami. It's Mama C. Thomas and Sam come down, and it's dark. They get to the front, and there's only a seat for Thomas. And Sam is like, what do I do? I move over on my seat.

[00:12:14] I say, just Sam, right here. Me and Sam shared the seat the whole night. And when I tell you, Sam and I, we had a time, Jack. Also, from last week's episode, you know, Shaheen with the... Oh, yo-ki-yo-ki-yo-ki. I saw that little clip, too. Jack. Oh, my God. Sibino. Hey. Himi no-a. Himi no-a. Hey. Oh, my God.

[00:12:44] Let's go. Oh. Um, it's a lot going on. But Jack, there's something more important that I want to tell you. Okay. No, pause. Whoa. What's... One of the hardest people... Pause. Okay. I have evidence of this Sam Bryce fiasco. I look to my right and I see...

[00:13:16] Is that a headlock? Bryce did not let Sam go. I said, Sam, blink twice. Sam was trying to get out of this headlock. Bryce was not allowing it. Look at that thing. Mind you, at one point in time, Ron got on the stage and was like, there are plenty of seats. And mind you, Sam was like, I'll go. I said, you're staying here. You ain't going nowhere. He really had a voice hold on him.

[00:13:46] It was not consensual, bro. Me and Sam had a time. But also, Jack, one of the hardest people to shop for... Who would you say it is, Jack? To shop for? To shop for? Shop for. Like Christmas, birthdays, Hanukkah, Passover. Me? No. Jack, you're easy. Jack, a Trader Joe's gift card.

[00:14:16] Or a pair of socks. Oh, I thought you meant to shop for clothing. Shop for clothing. Yes. Or just a gift. To get a gift for... Your parents? Wendell. Wendee, Wendee, Holland is the absolute worst person to shop for by gift for's. You want to know why? Because he has everything. And you also want to know why, Jack? You'll get him something. He'll act like he likes it.

[00:14:39] And then four months later, in your birthday bag, he will re-gift you the item that he does not like in your birthday bag. And you're like, didn't I get this? However, being as though Wendee has been my best friend for almost eight years, I know a thing or two about what Wendee likes. He's a plain, simple man. And Wendee likes what he likes. And so, Wendee likes Nike.

[00:15:08] He likes Nike sweatsuits. Also, being as though Wendell is a plain, simple man, Wendee thinks if he likes what Wendee likes, also, he'll gift to his friends. So, I and Joey Hatch have enormous amounts of Lululemons, right? Also, Wendee is cheap and he is efficient.

[00:15:36] And so, if he likes something, he'll just gift it to everybody. So, Wendee likes the sweatsuit, Jack got it to him for his birthday. He liked it so much. I got it to him for Christmas. Jack, he liked it so much. He gifted the same sweatsuit. No. He texted me and said, where'd you get that sweatsuit from? I said, Nike. He said, let's get it for Joey for his birthday. Okay.

[00:16:01] So, Jack, Wendell and I get Joey the same exact sweatsuit in his birthday. It's a lie. It's a fresh sweatsuit, Jack. It's fresh. But he didn't re-gift the one you got him, right? No, he just got it in a different color. That's respectable. Okay, no. He took yours and then re-gifted it. He liked it because I know what he liked at all. She had to buy it twice. Yeah, but Wendee has a big mouth, Jack.

[00:16:28] So, when Wendee was packing for Atlanta, Wendee in the group chat, I think I'm going to wear my Nike sweatsuit to Atlanta. Okay. I wrote, okay. Joey Hatch didn't comment. Jack, when we showed up to him. He didn't have one yet. Okay. Or did he already have the new sweatsuit? So, he had it. He had it already because his birthday was in March.

[00:16:55] We pull up to the Ron Clark event, Jack. Yup. Guess who's twinning? Wendell and Hatch. Guess who sweatsuit looks better on them in person? Who, Hatch? Hatch! Joey Hatch was looking like a snack in Atlanta and Wendell and Hatch. And Wendell and Hatch was looking like a scrub. Oh.

[00:17:24] Now, mind you, the sweatsuits are fire. What's the moral of the story? You're just like dishing on me. The moral of the story is, what do you mean? Joey Hatch was looking like a snack. There we go. Joey Snacks. Joey Snacks. And Wendell and Hatch was looking like a scrub. But mind you, his sweatsuit was fire. Joey's, the color of Joey's and Joey's skin tone. Oh, they're different colors? They're different colors.

[00:17:55] Joey was looking fire. And as soon as I saw, I saw when JZ was looking a little mad. I said, why are you mad? Because Joey looked better tonight. Good to know you guys really dressed up for the event with your Nike sweatsuits. Well, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no, no, no. Let's be clear, Jack. Okay. Because the original sweatsuit was a gift. They're expensive. Okay. I know they're nice. Yeah. Okay.

[00:18:25] Wendeezy might be a lot of things, but he do like nice things that that that's what he had on was expensive. But Joey's looked even more expensive. Speaking of different colors. I just noticed we're right. We're wearing the colors of the season right now. Bryce has got all green. Wendell's got the orange. I got the loggy purple. Wasn't wasn't planned, but I think it's fitting. Okay. Well, last story of the last story.

[00:18:54] Cause I'm loving the story. I'm loving the story. Listen, and listen, Atlanta. Maybe we do need to do a Bryson win in Atlanta because Atlanta was. It's a time. Uh, but my last thing. Quinn, Quinn, Quinn, Quinn, Quinn, Quinn Tavius was there. Let me. Can I tell you about Q Jack? Please.

[00:19:22] Q is somebody special, right? Like Q like Q likes to be in the mix, but Q don't like to be in the mix. And then when the mix is happening and Q don't have nothing to do. He has to vote him out. Well, I mean, Q has two phones, Jack. I literally caught Q because he was in the mix, but not in the mix. I literally caught him texting himself. Or his two phones.

[00:19:52] Like I literally walked up. I saw him send an emoji. I saw like it was a time. We had after parties, the after parties of the after part Jack. I mean, Atlanta was a time shout out to the Jack shack that was in the building. Shout out to the wind dens. Shout out to the posses. It was a time in Atlanta. Wow. I wish I wish I had been there, but you know, I was saving up for the big event next week.

[00:20:21] Oh, well, funny. You should say that because Bryce and when 48, we had a two week hiatus, but the baby boys are returning. We will be in Austin next week. It's our. Are they still available window? Because the last that I mean, I don't know if there are any left or any. There are a few left, but if everyone could just direct your attention to Bryce in the Philadelphia sign.

[00:20:51] Okay. I got on Sam's shirt. You look sharp. That's all I'm saying. Okay. That's my only comment. Well, I did just take my wave cap off in that photo. We are Teresa and Nemo. And so we are to Shopify. The platform, the we used before Shopify, has used to have regularly updates, which have often been brought to the shop that didn't work.

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[00:22:14] is more fire than Joey's because Joey Hatch was on fire last night. Jack, what were you smirking at down there? I was just looking at the picture of Bryce in the horse costume. It always makes me laugh. Well, if you look like a dinosaur with the, like, ah! Yeah, the poster, I love the posters.

[00:22:42] I love that, you know, up there with the baby boys on the Austin poster. It means a lot. Shout out to Tricky for the poster. Okay, well, shout out to Nick. Shout out to me for putting that photo up there. Oh, yeah, true, true, true. It's a joy. Shout out to me for saying Tricky, we gonna put Jack right there with us. Now, who sent the photo to Tricky though? It's a team effort and I appreciate it. Holy crap.

[00:23:11] Well, listen, we got to get into this episode, but whoo! Sometimes Jack isn't the only person on the podcast that's loud and wrong. Because last week I was loud and I was like, what Chrissy did at that tribal, she was speaking up. I felt it. I guess the rest of the tribe felt it too.

[00:23:41] I don't know. Yeah. He talked her behind right off the island. In your defense, I don't remember you saying, you know, overwhelmingly that it was a good move, but we can all agree with what Chrissy was saying. Right. It's just, should she have been saying it out loud is the question. And the answer is definitely no. Yeah.

[00:24:05] Tough, tough week for, and then she came and did it again, obviously this episode, which is funny because at the start of the episode, she's like, I know I probably did a little too much and shouldn't have been saying it. I got to reel it back in and then literally one day later, you're back in the same spot doing it again. Crazy. I don't know. Yeah. This, I think the, I share the sentiment of a lot of survivor fans. Post merge has been a little rough so far.

[00:24:32] Not going to lie, but I'm still optimistic, but you know, we've, we've seen this, these strong alliance stick together. A couple of cracks starting to form, but I'm like for literally until they, until the challenge, I was like, star has not been on my screen one time. Not, not, not a confessional, not what I'm like, where is star? She's not even, they were picking duos. I think she was still figuring out the clue to her idol.

[00:25:01] Like, I need some more star. Like we get a little bit of Mitch and I think his head's in the right place, but then it's like after the challenge, not to get ahead of ourselves. I'm like, wait, what's Chrissy. Well, who's Chrissy going to vote? Where's Mitch at? Where's star at? We're kind of just seeing these big boys argue about things. And it's not as exciting anymore. I don't think. It's interesting.

[00:25:26] It does raise interesting questions that I think like we should definitely talk about, but wherever, wherever you want to go, Jack. I'm, I'm. Well, I know, I know Wendell said, you know, up top, you, you got some thoughts on this episode. And so I'd like to hand it to you. Cause this, there's this episode was a little more, I mean, there was a lot to unpack, but also a little, not as exciting. So I want to kick it to you and just kind of see what caught your eye.

[00:25:51] No, I just think that the unpacking is, is what I'd like to look at. Just like the dynamics of this strong group and how they talk to each other and how they're trying to put things on together or tie people together, et cetera. Like, yeah. Especially that conversation with Kyle and David. That was interesting. Seeing David, seeing Kyle go back to Joe, get Joe to do a little bit of his bidding. There was, I think there's a lot to unpack there.

[00:26:21] Yeah. Yeah. The story I've seen a lot circling around David, a lot of negative, some positive too. I think that's the most interesting new unpack because, you know, we see these new do a sort of form with David and Mary, but he's also got his eyes on a potential Camilla Shaheen. And they're trying to get Camilla out to hurt Shaheen. But in reality, that's going to hurt Kyle. So he fights back. And like, I feel like David, as they say, was, was, I saw someone said David was clocking Kyle's teeth.

[00:26:51] Like he knew that that was a problem. David had the right read on, you know, if this is really the five, we can cut Camilla. Like she is the biggest threat outside of that alliance. But I think the way that David went about it sometimes was not the best. I think there's some things to discuss there for sure. Absolutely. Because I also feel like, like you said, David wasn't wrong. Like David clocked the T period. And it was interesting enough.

[00:27:19] I also want to just give Camilla and Kyle their flowers because their duo. And again, it's very interesting because I feel like on this season, we have a duo that is very present and visible. And then we have this other duo that isn't so present and visible. And I feel like as a fan, although I love Eva and God knows I love Joe as a fan of watching the season.

[00:27:46] I don't want to say I'm waiting for the demise of that, but I'm waiting for people to attack it. Right. Because it is so visible. And so with this Kyle and Camilla duo, I think it's so interesting because they have been on the low. That the read from David of it being Shaheen and Camilla was like crazy. And I think what sparked my anxiety is my anxiety.

[00:28:16] Somebody's watching me. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. What I was nervous about was Kyle. I was like, is Kyle coming in too hot, right? Like I was nervous in regards to because it's David and David essentially is like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. We have our five. Anyone else that's not in our five, they can go. And clearly Kyle is pushing back.

[00:28:45] Not only I wouldn't even say Kyle's pushing it back. I would say that Kyle is a millennial. He's at a festival and they're getting ready to leave the festival. And as they're walking out to the festival, you hear. Don't don't girl, you look good. Once you bang up, you will be fine. And anybody knows once you hear that song, you are you. You're not backing it up. You throwing it back. Kyle was throwing it back.

[00:29:15] Yeah, girl, you look good. You will be fine. Won't you bang that Kyle was shaking ass? Well, nobody sound like that, please. Whatever you do. Whatever you do. Kyle was shaking ass to keep Camilla there. And. First of all, I loved it because.

[00:29:41] Protect our women of color and to see a black man going to bat for a woman of color, I feel like so often on Survivor, we see our women of color just be discarded. And to have a black man stand up for a woman of color like Camilla. I loved it. But I also was like, oh, my God, Kyle. You are essentially revealing in but so many ways. But.

[00:30:07] Again, and I've been I've been critical on Kyle on this podcast, like I don't see it. What are you doing? But. The way Kyle was throwing it. This week, I was I was putting up ones because. He did it in a very. Masterful way in the outcome, in my opinion. Right. Because I feel like. Right. As if you were.

[00:30:36] I'm like, you're being too obvious, but him to rope in Joe. And then he said the right thing to Joe, because. If Joe is a suburban dad that lives in a cul de sac and cut his grass and he's like. Trying to get the lawnmower to go. Kyle saying. Chrissy said your name. That lawnmower said.

[00:31:04] Like Kyle got that lawnmower to below. And so now there is just so much. Confusion going on that it might be enough smokescreen for him and Camilla to slide by. That's just my hot take real quick. But I was I was worried for Kyle a little bit. I don't think it's enough smokes. I'm I'm I am scared for Camilla.

[00:31:31] But I think that I think that there might be a rift to to have people looking elsewhere. But I'm still very scared for Camilla like next episode. I'm not super scared for Camilla. I think I think the interesting thing to talk about with Kyle was, you know, he did. He did go. He was throwing it back aggressively.

[00:31:57] And as I mean, obviously, we know as a viewer, it's like we know how close you Camilla are. The way he was fighting for her. David was right to be sus. Like, why are you fighting so hard for Camilla? And Kyle was like, well, no, no, no. I just think she'd be someone we could work with. Like, I don't I don't know. We can get rid of her if you want. But like, I think I think we should keep it. I do think that that really focusing on Joe keeping it on Chrissy was a smart way to go about it, because Joe wanted Chrissy out.

[00:32:26] He's going to bring in Eva and David alone. I don't think it's going to have quite enough to get the votes for Camilla. I kind of question with the Kyle thing is like, is it good for him to sit here and go back and forth and fight with David? Or is there another route he could have taken where we're done with you, David, like I'm going to go get Camilla. I'm going to go get Mitch. I'm going to go get Chrissy. I'm going to get Shaheen. There's five right there. We're going to make a move. Or is it too early for that? Did he go the right way?

[00:32:51] Just convincing it to stay on Chrissy, which obviously worked out for now. See, the thing that would have worried me, though, right, is why I respected this move, because the easier thing would be to eliminate the person that's saying your closest ally's name. Right. And so I think that the one thing that I agreed with the most was that although Kyle was throwing it back for Camilla,

[00:33:20] him not wanting to switch it on David or tell a whole bunch of people that could get back to David, in my mind, still sinuates that like we're still locked in, like we still can work together. Like, I'm not out here saying your name. I'm not out here trying to. And I also feel like if he would have been switched it to David, I feel like that could have been a little more obvious that you really are working with Camilla. It's a huge move. It's a huge move.

[00:33:50] And it's a little early for that, I'd say. Yeah. Um, because of now you have to you got to convince everyone to shift it. And then they're like, all right. He wants to protect her so much that he's going against this five alliance. What's going on with them? Yeah. Yeah. It's a good thing that Joe was on board because Joe wasn't. And it's a weird impasse where I can't, is Kyle ever going to just accept Camilla goes? No, I don't think.

[00:34:20] But if Joe doesn't get on board, then what do you do? I mean, can I ask y'all a question? This was something that was like racking my mind. Right. Because first of all, y'all know how I love Papa Joe. Um, I was a little shocked at how easy it was to convince Joe to get on board. Right. Just because in my mind, like in my mind, Joe is like you on this podcast, Jack, like, you know, everything right now.

[00:34:50] Like, I mean, I go to you like we might have a an alleged winner, but like, I feel like you, you know what's up. And I feel like Joe knows what's up. And then I was thinking on a plane ride home. Is there a world where Joe got with this plan to again demonstrate, hey, Kyle, I'm working with you and also to deflect from his.

[00:35:16] Alliance with Eva, like, because we know that that has to be coming soon. And it's like, if Joe gets on board with this, it kind of maybe saves one vote, two votes, possibly three votes from them kind of coming at him and Eva. I think it's great for Joe. I think it makes more sense for Joe to take out Chrissy because Chrissy is saying his name pretty aggressively. I think it makes sense.

[00:35:39] I mean, we hark back to, you know, that last tribe swap when Joe kind of was working with Camilla and Kyle and Shaheen. So I think Joe's in a great position now where even if he even if Joe probably wants unity for this strong alliance, the fact that maybe David and Kyle are at arms a little bit now, too. I mean, everything's going to kind of flow through Joe. So I think it's great that Joe was able to get Chrissy, which he preferred. But luckily, Kyle was the one that was really vouching it for sort of different motivations.

[00:36:07] But the outcome that was best for Joe. Yeah. And you're you're right, Jack, with Joe, because even with the challenges, right? Like, I feel like, in my opinion, Joe said, I'm going to sit back when Jack said pick you not not Jack. Jack, you were out there. OK, Jack, Jack could be Jeff. When Jeff was out there and saying, hey, this is a challenge. You have to pick your partners. I am.

[00:36:34] I really love the confessional from Joe saying, like, I'm going to sit back and see what happens, but also how it worked out in his favor. And I thought that that was very telling of how Joe. You know, is strategically playing his game. But I also I'm like, is Joe against Mary? Because he was very excited when was it David picked Mary? And then he was like, OK, I see that. But it's like, Joe, you got the tightest alliance out there. They already know about you.

[00:37:05] Like, but that's why he's so excited, because now he can't like I mean, like I like where his head is at. Yeah. You could try to tie all these people together all that you want, bro. So y'all, you just damn near you ran over to her and you comforted her. Everyone. Your alliance is the top, top, top alliance. So, yeah. Talk about these other pairings. But like y'all are the most out there. Yeah.

[00:37:32] I think there's something to be said that they're appearing so obvious to everybody in the game that like I'm now I'm people need to start looking at it sooner. Like Chrissy said, but people kind of know I feel like they're going to take that shot. They got to line it up soon. But once these other secret pairs that are forming, that's a little bit more. That's a little bit juicier. Like we got to nip that in the bud before that does become something because people don't know about it. But so, yeah, I like what I mean, Joe's got everything going on, you know, the right way right now.

[00:38:01] It's just going to be like is his duo so powerful that he but I mean, I don't see Joe getting targeted anytime soon. Is do you guys like that? Go ahead. Go ahead. Since we're talking about Joe, I want to test your temperature on Joe right now from what we've seen of this episode. Right. I feel like episodes before we were like, there's no way Joe would ever turn on Eva. Right. They're locked in.

[00:38:28] Now, after this episode and like I said last week's episode, yes, we love Eva's story. She's amazing. But I am curious to know, like. When is the flip? When is the switch going to switch for some people to like look at Miss Eva as a. She she is in a good spot. She's physical. She's got alliances.

[00:38:58] And now after she goes to the sanctuary and gets this role, like, you know, advantage. Do you think with a Joe being as though like I mean, you look at Eva running me like aside from the emotional heart pulling that we know of her. Eva's in a good position. Is there. Do you think ever maybe at this point, Joe would be like, maybe I do need to cut ties.

[00:39:26] I think I think Joe would pull the trigger when he feels it necessary. Yes, I do. But I I can't go so far as to say that, like, Eva's a threat to win the game. I think and I like Eva, but I just think that, like, I just question if she'd get the votes.

[00:39:47] We've seen people that are strong looking players that amass some cool trinkets out there, some cool advantages, go to the end and essentially just be iced out. But like like I like Xander almost right. Like Xander, like this guy, he just he was trying his everything and it just he didn't catch he didn't catch steam. So in Eva's case, it's like, yeah, you got some cool things.

[00:40:16] And yes, you just did a great job in the challenge. But I I'd almost. I'd almost question if someone else sits next to her. Yeah, I kind of agree. I don't think that Joe would cut Eva. I think maybe there's a world where Eva might cut Joe, in which case I think that would be important to what she you know, her potentially winning the game. Because right now move for her. Now that now that's I agree. Right. Yeah.

[00:40:45] But right now, I kind of agree with Wendell. I don't think that she's seen as a huge target to win. And, you know, we maybe it's just because we haven't seen her side of things, but it's been her story sort of and she's paired up with Joe. You know, she's over. She's been overcoming her autism, which is a great story at the end, which can give her a shot. But as far as like actual gameplay goes so far, it doesn't seem like she's been.

[00:41:08] And and not to say that like that could come down to a classic sort of survivor thing where maybe the guy in the duo is getting more undue credit. But at the same time with a jury where Eva has been a little bit pro man, maybe that jury, if the way the women on the jury might not be quick to give her that credit then because, you know, like whereas if I don't know if Eva would step up in that nature, you know, embrace like like embracing the girl power.

[00:41:38] I mean, even like last week, we saw Chrissy from the bench during the challenge be like, you got this girl power, Eva. And he was just like, like, didn't care. So but I do think Eva, depending on how she plays, I think Eva would have to take out a Joe to win because right now I think Joe, the only the only way I do actually see a word where Eva could be Joe just because Joe would be like so proud of her and lifting her up so much that maybe Joe would almost be like vote for Eva, which, you know,

[00:42:08] I don't know, but I joined doing that. Yeah, his family first. I'd hope. Yeah. Speaking of the advantage. It was a little weird, right? The seats were assigned. Oh, that is next to her. Now, people said this. I was like, OK, well, if I saw some chips, man, be like, yo, can you pass me the chips?

[00:42:38] And then, you know, I get it. But like if the seats are assigned and they're telling you where to sit, which usually doesn't happen, and then the bowl is right next to the one player, it's like that's a little bit weird. And I think we all clocked that. And then also, like, I don't know, like the note also said as a reward for your challenge performance, which I guess could apply to any of the four because they all were the final four of the challenge. But like it's basically sort of like because you won the challenge.

[00:43:08] I'm like, if you're the winner of the challenge, your prize is immunity necklace. It's not another advantage on top of that, on top of the idol that someone already gave you. So I don't want to say it was and that's not on the same. They're saying he was full, obviously. Get as many advantages as you can, girl. But. It said as a reward for your challenge performance. That's what it said. I think. Yeah, I think at the start was like as a reward for like your performance in the challenge. Like you've you've this this is the whatever.

[00:43:37] This is an advantage. Obviously, like I said, the reward was the four people that made it the farthest. So technically that could be like, oh, well, but like the one is being next to the put next to the winner of the challenge. And that's not a knock on Eva, right? Like if I'm out there in her shoes, I'm hoping that I get that and I'm not like, obviously, I'm taking it. Like, that's not that's not my fault. But a little weird.

[00:44:03] My theory is, you know, when it's time that we switch tribes and two seasons ago they were on the tray and that intern did not mix them up. I feel like that intern got demoted to the sanctuary.

[00:44:22] And I feel like that intern was working the sanctuary and that intern forgot to remove the name tags. Now, a little birdie was telling me something yesterday throughout the events that this birdie was in the new era.

[00:44:48] And they were talking about a season at an episode where someone got a reward at the sanctuary. And this birdie said to me that there were assigned seats at the sanctuary. We just didn't see them as viewers. And so I said, that's interesting.

[00:45:10] And said person at assigned seat did get an advantage. So does this mean that if you go somewhere and see assigned seats, you need to be extra? You need to do what I do at weddings. You go in first and see where the assigned seatings are and you move them before you sit down. That's what it means.

[00:45:40] Okay. Or like, yeah. Bryce, what if you were the one who they did assign it for and then you move yourself out of an advantage? He'd do that. Yeah, that is just my luck. Or is it like, or is it for future players? Season 49 has not left yet. Yes, they have. Okay. Well, season 51 hasn't.

[00:46:10] Hey, you could be talking to 50. I mean, hey, listen. If somebody, you at the sanctuary and somebody won, maybe you need to pass the chips and salsa, please. Pass the guac, please. I don't know. Yeah. I agree. What do we think about? If everyone has their own bowl of chips, you just need to taste other chips.

[00:46:39] I do that anyway. What do we think about, pinning back to the challenge, do we like it when they pick their own duos? Do we like this multi-stage challenge? Who do we prefer? Just a classic, straightforward. I like it in the sense, for one reason, like Joe. You can sit back and see what people do. But also, I like it when it is a little more thought out in the sense that maybe the dominant alliance,

[00:47:08] it ensures that you pair up with somebody that is not in the alliance so that maybe you can execute someone going home a little more, you know, it's more well thought out. So, I do like when we can pick duos. But I, like, I like when you can pick duos, but I also maybe like it when it's more a random pairing, right? Where you have to, like, put your hand into the cookie jar and take a cookie out.

[00:47:37] Like, I like it that way. But I do like it. I think, like, Chrissy argued that it was unfair because all the strong people could just get together. Do you think that's unfair or do you think that's just part of the game? You don't know the challenge you're walking into. Right. Well, I mean, you can see it. No, they picked the teams beforehand, right? Yeah. I have a take. Hold on, Jack.

[00:48:08] Wait, Jack. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Guys, I have a take. Question. The last part of the challenge, it was the four poles, right? Yes. What did Jeff say about this challenge? This is one of the most. Oh, a classic new era. Oh.

[00:48:33] He said something to the effect of like, this could be the most famous or the most known challenge in Survivor. The pole, like holding on the most something. He said something saying this is one of those challenges. This is the challenge that. I think he right. I think, you know what? Wait a minute before you finish your sentence. I think Jeff was right because the time that I remember this challenge.

[00:49:02] Do you remember this challenge, Jack? Which season? Let's take it. Let's go to season 40. Let's think about how we got the first merch boot. Okay. Jeff was right. That's not where I'm going. Yes. Okay. It was a rainy day.

[00:49:32] I slipped. I was eliminated. They voted me out. Fine. Cool. What I'm trying to say is. This. Jeff said that this is one of the most famous challenges, right? And. We only get four people competing in it. Like, I feel like this is one of the challenges where. This is the challenge. Put everyone on that pole and make it happen because. I don't want to. I don't want to end a challenge with this. I want to.

[00:50:01] I want to see everyone compete at this. That's all. That's all. I do like stages and stuff like that, but just don't end with that. Give them a puzzle or something. I don't know. Give them something different. You want to. Official update. Wendell's takes season 48. Yeah. I won. We're on the board. The wind didn't wake up. Oh, yes. And you know why? It's because I went to school yesterday.

[00:50:31] I was at the Rock Academy and now I am. More alert. Question. I saw this. Did they divide you guys into like teams at the Ron Clark Academy? Like houses? Yeah. They have. They have houses within the school. Were you guys doing like challenges together? How'd that work? Tell them Bryce. Oh, wait. You didn't. I love a Harry Potter house moment. And I saw like some of the different teams.

[00:50:58] Essentially, they have these four houses that are divided. And. Ron stood up and he explained the different types of houses to us. Explain it to us. Wendell. Why don't you? Because. Oh, wait a minute. You didn't go on the tour. Oh, wait. I have a job. I had to work. Is this school? Jack. Wait. No, wait. Time out. Wait. Time out. Time out. Yes.

[00:51:26] I went to Atlanta, but I had to work. Jack. When we get done recording this podcast in LA, it will be around the time that you have to do what? Your end of day. Meeting. For your. My job. Wendell. When is your end of day meeting for your job? I'm an entrepreneur, Bryce.

[00:51:55] I have some drawings. I have some sketches I need to make. Unemployed. Okay. Wendell's got a house due by Friday. Okay, Jack. So, yeah, I wasn't able to attend because I had to get my. Yeah. Yeah. Wait. So do they divide them up? Do they actually divide the students in the houses too? I want to say Wendeezy. And do you know, do you know if they were like doing challenges like with the groups or did

[00:52:24] it not get that into it? Like. I think they did. Wendell brought his end of day meeting. As I was saying, we built this thing. You're an artist, Wendell. I am sketching out a new pergola. I'm going to cover the entire outdoor section of the hotel. Thank you very much. So that is the next project I'm working on. Building a 40 feet by 10 foot pergola to cover the outdoor space. Bryce.

[00:52:55] And Bryce, Wendell does a lot of his sketching while we podcast. Okay. It is currently my nine to five right now. Yeah. Did you guys do like challenges with these teams at Ron Clark Wendell or was it just like the tour? So we, we didn't do challenges, but we were able to learn the different houses.

[00:53:22] Like one house is a house of, of people that are like your traditional, like dreamers and they're, they're good at a lot of things, but they're, they're like the dreamer types. Then another house is like the, um, the people that are like, they're go getters. They are, they're very confident, almost, almost too confident, like kind of cocky could have a little attitude. That was another house.

[00:53:50] Then there's another house that's like, they have big hearts and more so than like the leaders or the dreamers or what, or the, the confident people, they like cheering people on more. So, so like actually divide the students into these groups. Like the students are, I think, I believe the students are randomly put in these groups, but we picked our groups associated with the most.

[00:54:17] So I, I think I associate most with the dreamers, but because they were giving out too many blue stars, I was like, you know what, I'm going to go ahead and go with the, uh, the sharks. So that's why I'm the house of altruismo. And, um, yes, I was just trying to see what prices were. Not to get too much in the, I just think that's, that's pretty fun.

[00:54:46] So, um, it's awesome. It gives, it gives the students and their, and their families. Cause like now their families are part of it and they sell lots of things. They have a merch store in there. And like the upperclassmen see the younger classmen that are in this house. And they're like, yo, you're my little bro. They take care of them. Their parents are part of this. It's like, nah, my son doesn't just go to this school. He's part of the house of altruismo in the school. They wear the same colors. It's really, it's really cool.

[00:55:15] It gives you double buy-in. Yeah. That's dope. Yeah. Yeah. What, um, segue, random segue. Um, I do want to talk about, I want to talk about Mary. I want to talk about Mitch and I want to talk about David. Uh, in no particular order, but I do want to talk about David. Cause I have been seeing like, you know, the slack that David has been getting this episode

[00:55:44] for essentially like, you know, the strong Alliance and wanting the strong Alliance. Um, yeah, I think tribal especially was his kind of the key moment for that. I don't know. I think it's so nuanced though. Right. Because yeah. A different, like if this were season 28, 34, like I would be looking at David side-eyed.

[00:56:10] Like I'd be like, what, like what the, what the hell is this man talking about? But I think the nuance in this is that he's not lying. Right. Like he's right. It's like, again, the pendulum. Right. But it's, it's so interesting because I never thought that I would be on this side of the realm where I am like, I understand what he's saying.

[00:56:37] And it's, it's an astute take on the game. It's, it's something that, but I don't know. It's, it's so interesting. Jump in when DZ. I think it's maybe, I think you're right, Bryce. Cause you put this anywhere in the thirties. It's a bunch of dudes that won all the seasons, you know? It's like, Oh, what are you talking about my man? Historically. But then if you look at the forties, the pendulum has swung precisely.

[00:57:02] And now it, like you, you say it's, it swings back and we might be watching that or the start of it, or we might be watching the start of it. And in his case, that's what he's fighting for. He's fighting for someone like himself, which is just, it's crazy when you out of context and you hear it, you're just like, bro, have you not watched the season one through season? Well, he really, he really hasn't.

[00:57:33] Yeah. It's like he, he hasn't. The way he's, the way he's, he might not have said all the right words, but essentially if you've seen this, this recent surge of winners and none of them look like you, you're like, all right, you know what? Um, just kind of like the cookout. They're like, we had no black winners in big brother.

[00:57:58] So the only way we can ensure a black winner is to make sure the six of us are the last six remaining. In his case, he's like, yo, I need a big, strong winner. So the five of us, one of us is going to get to the end together. Let's pick off the threats. The Camilla who she's smart and she's cunning. She is a threat to us. I've seen people like her win within the preceding few seasons. Yeah.

[00:58:27] I think that's what I mean. Totally. I totally agree. Like people like bumping at him for now, the way he like talked to Chrissy and a little bit, the way he managed Kyle, not great, but the idea of it, like, you know, the, you look at the last six or seven seasons that has sort of been the case because of this pendulum. And also the thing is like, if you're out on survivor, you should be selfish. You should want someone like you to win the season because you're out there and it's the season that you're on.

[00:58:57] So watching survivor, you could be like, well, we need more diverse winners. We need more, you know, women winners. But if I'm out there and I'm David, I'm like, well, no, I need, I need me to be the winner. Like I need that. I need to fit me. And you made a great reference window. Cause it is like that. Like the only way you can guarantee is to stick together and it might not be the most fun to watch. It might not be really like that fair for other people. Cause you're not really open to playing the game with other people.

[00:59:23] But if you're out there in David's shoes, that's kind of what you feel like you have to do to win. So like, you can't really blame them. And I don't think it's like misogynistic of him to be like, well, I want me to, I want a big, strong guy to win. Cause he is the big, strong guy. Like, of course he wants to win. Um, and it wasn't all the most tactful. And I think he kind of hurt his chances with the jury a lot, ironically, cause now he's probably not going to win. Um, but his whole, his viewpoint I think was very reasonable. Right.

[00:59:52] And again, I also think, cause I had to like reflect on this cause y'all know me. I love it, David. And I've had the opportunity of meeting David several times and I think, and I don't want to be too messy, but I've, how do I want to go about this? I've met a lot of survivor alum. And no, I'm just saying that like, I don't think they all have been as welcoming to a Bryce Isaiah. Let me just say that.

[01:00:22] Right. So I just want to start that off. Um, and again, I, I lead with nothing with love. I will say, uh, David has received my love. David has picked me up. Like, so I just say to say that I think what is interesting and again, why I love, why I love the game of survivor. Why I love survivor news is we're having this conversation and it's a nuanced conversation

[01:00:49] and it's interesting and I'm sure some people will be scared of this, but I also think that given the climate of our country, right. Taking what David said, right. And the climate of our country is crazy. Like, it's just like, what the hell? However, let's put it in the game of survivor. And let's be clear, David is out there to win a million dollars.

[01:01:16] And so in that context, I absolutely understand what he's saying. And what he really is saying is like the people that have not been heard or seen and a kudos to the diversity initiative in survivor is now that the people that have not been heard or seen in a long time. Now they are the mother after big dogs. Now they are the big steppers.

[01:01:41] And now we got men like David trying to like get a correlation, a collab of people like, Hey, what about us? So I think that if you look at it in that context, it really does speak to how far we have come. Because now, like, you know, it's just, it's really interesting. I'll say, Bryce, I don't think it's, it's those people are now the big steppers. I'll say it's now it's just a way more diverse collection of winners.

[01:02:11] And it's anybody's game. It can be really anybody's game. And also, I think it's important that you brought up how nuanced this particular standpoint in this season, in this climate of survivor, and also in the climate of the country, because when you hear a big white man talking about strong people, like you automatically go to like, what the hell is he like, but like, you have to, but also like, like, yeah, this

[01:02:38] is nuanced because like, we just for the last 10 minutes, almost kind of like took his side or kind of understood where he's coming from. And, but in the country, there's so much nuance to so many arguments. And people take soundbites or a little thing, or this small thing. And they're like, man, I don't like this person because of this, or I don't like that person because of that.

[01:03:03] When in actuality, if you give yourself the time to like, understand and break down a lot of aspects of things and understand what's, what's really going on, this particular person might not be a bad person. So I think, um, I think like, it's, it's cool that we're breaking this down here because it's like, yo, David's approach might've been a little, you know, but what he's saying,

[01:03:30] I think a sensible person can agree. Hey, yeah, you would like to win this game of survivor. And the way, the best way that you think you can ensure it is by surrounding yourself with a bunch of big, strong people. Yeah, exactly. Like you look at if I'm on 48 and I look at 41 through 47, I mean, the two male winners that there's been, have been jam jam and Gabler.

[01:03:57] And so if I'm a Joe, a David, a Kyle, a Shaheen, it's a reasonable conclusion to be like bigger guys like us haven't been winning. Maybe you don't know exactly why that is, but it's like, well, what's going to make our odds better. We stick together and all get to the end. Like that is a very reasonable basis for David's argument. You know, you've got to be a little more mindful when you're saying that out, I think. And now I'm not always the best at it either, but you know, the argument's right.

[01:04:26] But you, I mean, the thing is people are always going to feel one type of way or another. Um, yeah. Was, was that a Chrissy moment? Is that something that you actually should be announcing to your potential jury though? Right. Like, I think that that, in my opinion, is the bigger red flag on the play is like, you're, you're Chrissy right now. Yeah. And that's the thing, any, any, I think any in society, I don't think it's ever good to

[01:04:57] be so staunchly grouped up with similar people, you know, whatever you're, it's good to diversify. Yeah. So, well, yeah. But in survivor, like it makes sense, like it goes back to 41 where, you know, Shannon, Sean and Danny were, or the cookout and big brother. Like it could be any group of people where, Oh, if we've been underrepresented as the winners of this, it makes sense to stick together. Now what David did wrong and you know, what some other people have done wrong is even if

[01:05:25] your cause is just, if you tell that, you know, whoever's not in that group that we're not, I never want to work with you or I would not vote. I don't want you to win. And I'm never going to vote for you. Like if someone just blatantly told me they never wanted to work with someone like me or they didn't want someone like me to win, then you're, you're just, you, they might be very logical from their standpoint, but don't tell me that. Cause now I'm like, you're just writing me off. Yeah. Don't announce it. Don't announce it. Make, make, make this group of yours, this group for some other reason.

[01:05:54] Like, yeah. Let's just get a little more smooth with it. Like we're not running around announcing that where these big strong yet it's already very visible. Yeah. Yeah. And outside of them being like big and strong, it's just like him being like, well, this is, this is my five because of this. You're just announcing what your alliances like just now. No, everyone else is going to know who you're with and you're not really going to look at me. Well, David doesn't want to work with me. So now David's locked in with these people.

[01:06:22] Whereas Shaheen's working on other options. Kyle's got some other options. That's why it's going to be a lot more fruitful for them down the line. I think what's, what's David's path to the end now? Right. He's very, very, very. He got to meet his way to the end. He got, he got to meet his way on end. But it's interesting because him saying that makes my next question to y'all Mitch, right? Like where do y'all see Mitch don't miss it?

[01:06:52] Like where we're at, because it's very clear in my opinion, right? Like in David's eyes, Mitch is clearly a threat because I don't really feel like David sees Mitch as a meat shield. But in my opinion, from a viewer standpoint, from watching a Mitch don't miss, it's like, David, you might want to reconsider who like, again, and I also feel like maybe it's David's definition of the meat shield, right?

[01:07:22] Because in my opinion, Mitch is a meat shield. Like Mitch don't miss. Like Mitch actually is the meat smart shield. Like Mitch fits in all of the things. And so it's just interesting because David saying what he's saying really makes me worry for a Mitch because I feel like David looks at Mitch as a good puzzle guy in a good life. And so where do y'all after tonight's episode, like, where do you see Mitch don't, Mitch don't

[01:07:51] miss it in, in this pot? But he's, he's not, he's not in that group and he tried to get something going this episode with, what are they? Siva is his tribe trying to pull them back together. Yeah. Mitch is Mitch Curry. Mitch is a challenge beast. We've seen him get the job done and yeah, they, he seems iced out of this alliance.

[01:08:21] And it's almost like he, like the fact that he tried to get the Siva together and it made sense. And like, they did, I was, when I was watching the episode, I was nervous for Mitch when he brought that up because I was like, Oh, it was almost like, uh, Michaela back. Remember when like she was doing the numbers on her tribe and they was like, Oh my God, Michaela is so smart. I was in my mind screaming at Mitch. Like, it's not your name.

[01:08:46] Don't worry about it because for him to, the way he broke down those numbers and was like, Hey, if we vote this way, I was like, Oh my God. Mitch is like, he's on track to potentially go to the end. Uh, and so I'm a little nervous for my baby boy, Mitch. He doesn't have a lot of footing right now, but I like where his head's at. Like someone's going to have to move and shake. So it's worth Mitch starting to do that. And I think, I think things might turn on David pretty soon.

[01:09:17] And I think Mitch is going to be a key piece to pick up, you know, Mitch might be the kind of guy you got to, you got to pick up first. And then once he's kind of got it, got a little bit more footing that he can move and shake a little bit. So, um, Jack Wendell is talking this episode. Well, you fired me earlier. So I'm, I'm getting the most out of my last day.

[01:09:43] Um, I was, I was thinking the same for Mitch. Like I'm scared cause he could be one of these people that the votes just fall on because he's not in one of these, you know, one of these alliances big or small. Um, but I forget. It's going to have to turn around soon. So maybe. Yeah. So, so there are, there are eyes on Camilla right now. There are eyes on David.

[01:10:11] There, there are, um, there's some dissension in this, in this big group. So he could be a key piece and that could really propel him. Yeah. Where, where's mother Mary at? Because again, I feel like mother Mary has lodged herself right dab smack. Jack in the middle. And also somebody, uh, somebody wanted me to tell Jack, uh, how they felt about Mary being

[01:10:38] the top strongest, uh, out of this whole thing. Like what does Jack have to say about Mary in this Siva episode after we see how strong mother Mary was from the beginning where you didn't see Mary's strength. And now that we are episode eight, Mary looking like a strong dog, Jack. Like in what sense? I mean, I just explained it to you, Jack. Well, I gave her credit. Like the challenges she's picked up in the challenges.

[01:11:07] Um, obviously she's been picked up, Jack. I said, I said that like the way she, I mean, do you apologize? I think I apologize. Yeah. Oh, well, we, I admitted, I admitted I was wrong about Mary. She's a lot more athletic than I gave her credit for. I've said that. A lot more? Yeah. That's like a really, that's a good thing. Yeah. She's a lot more athletic than I gave her credit for. That's not a bad thing.

[01:11:33] Well, if somebody isn't athletic and you say they're a lot more athletic than I gave them credit for, that still seems like mid athleticism. But Mary is athletic. So what do you mean? What do you mean if someone isn't athletic, Bryce? Oh. Ah. Oh. Ah. Ah. Someone can be athletic and then like, like, like. Jackery. Like Mitch is a lot more athletic than I would have initially given him credit for it.

[01:12:03] Jackery. Yeah. Not too much on Mary. Jack. Bryce. Jack, you my brother. You got the britches a little. You ain't right there, Jack. There we go. Don't come for me. But like, no. So and then talking. I mean, Mary did a great job of being the last Marine around.

[01:12:33] She's now gotten some footing with David and with some of the others. I'm a little bit nervous. A, we haven't been seeing as much of Mary lately. We saw a little bit more this episode with her pushing to get Camilla. But I'm a little worried if David's pretty. If her number one is David and David's like, well, I want all the big, strong guys at the end together. Mary's athletic. She's not a big, strong guy. You know, so I'm not, I'm not even comparing that athletically, just physically. Not a, not a big.

[01:13:02] So that's, she's not the type that David wants in this alliance necessarily. It's not what this alliance is built off of. So I hope Mary can keep her head a little bit low. I feel like it went up a little too much this episode pushing for Camilla. I think Mary needs to get in with this alliance firmly, but then go to a Camilla and go to a Mitch and go to a Shaheen and be like, we actually need to flip this game on Joe.

[01:13:29] Because if Mary, I think Mary's, you know, with all the shit she went through early in the game, she's happy to like be a part of something, I feel like. But this is, this something that she's a part of is not the thing that she should be going to the end of the game. I don't think. And with all that she's been through, she got some serious chops. She, like, she has been through. Yeah. But I think, I think a better squad for her to work with is not going to be this David group, but I'm thinking David could go soon.

[01:13:56] It could free Mary up and then maybe she picks up the pieces and jumps in with a, like a Kyle, a Camilla and a Mitch and a star maybe. And I'm still hopeful for Mary, but right now I'm a little bit, I'm a little more nervous. Um, and then my last final take. Uh. Before, I don't want to, your last, I also, I don't know if it's the journey. Talk about it. Yeah.

[01:14:24] Cause if you have a take to wrap us up, I don't want to skip over the journey. Well, no, I'm just saying like my last, since Wendell has clocked in this episode, I was going to say my last take and then, you know, however, but go, come on, Jay. Well, no, if it's related, go ahead and then we can wrap up with the journey. Well, no, let's go with the journey. Cause then I. I have a question too. So after you guys do it, I'll ask. Well, I was sorry. I was going to say yes, Wendell, to answer your question, we are recording and yes, we are doing a podcast right now. That was my second question.

[01:14:57] But yeah, the journey, I mean, we, I feel like we saw this last season where a group goes and someone's going to lose their vote. So it's, I don't, it's not great. Like, but if it's, you know, it's only one person, what they got to relax with the losing the vote. I think we've been over that, but I think this journey challenge itself, you know, I thought it was interesting. It was, it was a strategic game. It had some social weight to it where, okay, you're making a choice to screw, you know,

[01:15:26] you're screwing someone, you're screwing one person over, you're screwing another person over. So you're putting your cards on the table. So I liked it more than just rolling the dice, but what did you guys think about it? I liked it a lot. I thought it, in my opinion, I, I liked it. I didn't love it for Camilla in the sense that I think that it revealed that Camilla is not the type, if you have a bandaid on your arm, Camilla isn't going to rub Vaseline on

[01:15:55] it, Camilla isn't going to put hot water on it and just like peel it off. Camilla is, she's ripping it off. And I think that, in my opinion, that reveals a lot. Like Camilla is, she makes decisions with her mind and not emotions. And that's a dangerous player. And I love it. And I love Camilla, but I also felt like when she was just like, I need this game to end. Sorry, star.

[01:16:20] Like you out again, I wasn't mad at it, but I was just like, she was. She wasn't in a tough spot. It's those one of those games. You're like, I said, you're screwing one person or the other. And for her, she's got a blossoming relationship with Shaheen. She's cool with Mitch. So it makes sense that she's got a pile on star, but there's not really an easy way to go about it when she's put in the spot two or three times to just be like, all right, star.

[01:16:46] But I do think, you know, star for better or worse, very easy going. So if there's anyone to put that, put the hammer down on, you know, I don't, it doesn't seem like star got back to camp and was like, Camilla's done. Like granted, we don't get to see as much star as I would like. So maybe, maybe star was thinking that, but I'm sorry. What were you saying? I didn't mean to interrupt.

[01:17:09] I was going to say also kudos to star for, and you know, I love Joe, but not pulling a Joe this episode when she could have, right? Like knowing your position at where you're at and knowing that actually, you know what? Nobody's targeting me. Okay. Camilla, I clocked that T you got me, but I'll get back to camp and see what else is going on. Right.

[01:17:33] Because if that were me, I would have potentially got back to camp and be like, F Chrissy, F David, like Camilla gotta go. But I liked the fact that she kind of was like, you ate, you know, kudos to you queen and kind of play her position. Like, ain't nobody really clocking me. So I'm chilling. I was like, okay, that's like that. Again, that's a social intelligence that some people just do not have.

[01:18:02] And I think that that reveals a lot. Like, I feel like sometimes the edit doesn't do star justice, but if you know, you know, real people see real people. And the way that star moves is very real. Yeah. She's very down to earth, very chill. And so much so that I'm like star at some point, I'm going to need you to kick into gear if you want to win this game. Cause I think she's in a great spot right now.

[01:18:28] Not a lot of eyes on her partly because she's just kind of easygoing, not moving and shaking too much. But at some point I'm hoping we see her start to rock the boat a little bit. Cause that's just, what's going to have to happen for her to, you know, have a good shot to win. Wendell, what was the other? Yeah. What was your, I thought the game was really awesome, especially the option to pick one or two balls. I think that's a great touch. Um, but then I also wanted to say, I'll just go for two.

[01:18:58] Oh, always go for two. Whoa. Self pause. Um, I, okay, Bryce. Oh, okay. Bryce. That's crazy. Wow. Oh, what are you making? That was Bryce at Luigi's pizza, kneading the dough, trying out a pepperoni or a sausage. Okay, guys.

[01:19:30] Okay. Unrelated. Did you skip? Did you guys see on, uh, RHAP with Sandra? Rob was like, we were at Luigi's pizza and Sandra was like, is that where they call Luigi Mangione? Don't he? She was like, dead serious. Oh, the queen. The queen. Um, I wanted to, uh, I wanted to ask you guys with this, uh, this eBay advantage, do we see her revealing it to anyone, um, in the future?

[01:20:01] Joe. Yeah. I'm holding out hope that she doesn't tell Joe. She won't tell Joe, but I think she will. Probably. And hopefully they can keep it between themselves. Huh? Hopefully they can keep it between themselves because they ought to, but. Yeah, but I mean, might this be the moment where Joe's like, all right, it might be time. Or, again, or. I don't know. Wait, what was. I think he's scared. What, what was, what was the advantage?

[01:20:31] Sorry, I was sitting next to Sam. I don't think we saw what happened yet. She's going to go off to retrieve it at nighttime and like, kind of like the Jeremy Collins or second chance and go find the torch and, and find it. And think about this, whatever it is, say she does keep it to herself. Is this something that's a resume builder? If she is at the end to distinguish herself, to be like, uh, I didn't just rely on, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, again, here's an opportunity.

[01:20:59] To me, to me, the Eva path to the end is going to be very much a Marianne where she seems like she's been attached to these big dogs, but she starts to go off on her own a little bit unbeknownst to everybody else. Maybe she cuts a Joe. Maybe she uses an advantage that nobody else knew about. And then it gets to the end and was like, you guys underrated me, but really I was doing this. And everyone's like, Oh damn, Eva, I didn't, I didn't see that out of you. Like now I'm really impressed.

[01:21:25] But if Eva just brings everything to Joe, then, you know, then that's where, where's, where's the game at? Obviously. I mean, she's in the loop on a lot of the votes, but doesn't seem to be driving it as much. And my final take, and it didn't hit me until this episode when it was, uh, David versus

[01:21:53] Kyle, but the way Kyle handled himself, this episode going up against David switching. Joe got Camille got the people on the votes. I, and again, I've been critical of, I love Kyle, but I've been critical of a Kyle. And I like, like Jack is loud and wrong. Sometimes I was like, it's Camilla. Camilla is running this.

[01:22:23] I don't think at the time that I thought it was an equal partnership, but it has clearly been very fruitful for Kyle and Camilla to work together. And I don't want to go on record of saying, but I definitely, after the way, the way, I mean, Kyle. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

[01:22:53] Why the hell it's colored? Like those, I thought those were new britches. Listen, they've been soiled a lot. Like the way Kyle was pushing back on a David. It did something to the britches, but it also, I was, I, I looked at Kyle a little different this episode. I, I like, I really said, wow.

[01:23:19] And I looked at, again, the way he maneuvered, the way he didn't just rely on Camilla, the way that he Camilla'd Camilla, and remember when I was like, oh no, Camilla did it all herself. And Kyle just played along. Kyle said, let me, let's tag team. Let me tag in, sis. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. They're coming after you right now. I don't need you to do nothing, but I'm just letting you know they cut. Like I said, Kyle. Yes.

[01:23:48] Is this what I think it is, Bryce? I think I might have, I think I might have to give. Give the draws. Wait, why do they look so big? Did you get a bigger size window? Why do they look enormous? Yeah, you're britchers. Because the britchie is a big award to win, so it's only right that it's a double XL britchie.

[01:24:18] I think, I, I, I think I might have to give the britchies to Kyle, and I think I might have to take my hat off to Kyle and say like, I see you. I'll see you, Kyle. Yeah. Let's put your hat back on. I, I, I agree. It was great watching him this, this episode. This was, you kept on looking over at me, Bryce, and saying, yo, this is like a defining

[01:24:47] moment for these two, for this alliance. What I'm scared of, because I'm rooting for everybody Guyanese out there, first of all. But what I'm scared of is, are we getting Kyle and Camilla and this dynamic, and we're going to watch them go home? Like, I'm scared that we're getting, like, like how we watch Genevieve, you know, like Genevieve was strong and then we watched her go.

[01:25:15] Like, there are players that's like, man, are we getting built up? They're so different though. Like, Genevieve and Kyle is so different. I know they're different. I'm just saying, there are players that, that like, we get amped for and built up for, or we're watching and we're like, all right, this is the one. And. Yeah, I don't know. That's why I don't want to call it, but I'm just saying. No, I, look, I'm a Kyle fan, as we know. I'd be excited if he got the britchie. I don't personally know if this, like, he would be the, to me, is the player of the episode.

[01:25:45] But I don't think it was a. Kyle got what? A britchie. Um. But me personally, I know the britchie is not mine to give or to keep, but. He was a little messy in his handling of David. I think it's going to put him in some hot water. I actually have a lot of confidence that Kyle is going to be able to maneuver out of it just because I think he's got a little bit more social capital than David. So I still feel strongly about Kyle going far, but I don't know if he handled, to me,

[01:26:14] britchie's like, you had a flawless episode. And there was a couple, couple things with Kyle's, this episode that I think could have been a little bit smoother. But ultimately, he got things to go the way he wanted. He kept Camilla in. He pulled Joe back in. So it was a good episode. I wouldn't be mad at him getting the britchie. How hard? Because it seemed like their argument. Bryce, fix your face. Seemed like the argument was, all right, Chrissy today, Camilla tomorrow. How hard will it be to get it off of Camilla for tomorrow?

[01:26:44] Are the teasers just misleads for us to think that something's really shaking? Is this train going and is this train unstoppable right now in the direction of Camilla? I don't know if I should share this, but while we were at Ron Clark, Camilla and Kyle were

[01:27:07] there, and something interesting that Camilla said that took me off, that I thought was interesting, was that she said she was surprised. She lagged out. Probably for the best. Yeah, that's because the survivor guys are saying, don't say that.

[01:27:35] My theory is that I think things are going to come to a head next episode. And as Bryce said, sometimes you got to... No, no. Say it. No, say it, Jack. What do you have to do? That's why Bryce is in Slytherin, all green. No, I think my theory, I think the target's going to be squarely on Camilla. The strong alliance is going to want to go for her.

[01:28:02] I am hoping, and I see a world that maybe Kyle, Camilla, Mitch, Shaheen, and Star might be able to work together. Although now that I say it out loud, I'm a little like, would Shaheen and Star flip on Joe? I mean, Shaheen's been showing that he's willing to make moves. I don't know. Star seems like she's been pretty loyal to Joe and Eva. So maybe not.

[01:28:30] Because that Joe, Eva, David, Mary, and then a star seems like a pretty tight group. But we will see. We will see. Now I'm a little bit more nervous. So I'm like, Kyle and Camilla have to rally the troops. Yeah. I definitely think that next week's episode, like I said, about this week's episode, but I think next week's episode is really going to be the start of the second half of the season

[01:29:00] where we start cooking. It's good. We're going to have to cook at some point, even if it gets the strong five at some point. Like, five people don't sit at the end of the game. So at some point, this thing is going to start bubbling over. And I'd like it to be next episode. If not, we're going to wait a couple more. You know, but yeah. The final nine, this is going to decide the direction that the rest of the season is going. For sure.

[01:29:27] And it definitely is bubbling over, Wendeezy, because it is bubbling over to the baby boys heading to Austin next week. A tree of us will be there. And so I'd love to see the wind in, the Jack Shack and the Posse turn on out. Tickets are available. Click the link in our Instagram bio, or you can head over to BryceandWend.com and we will see you on Austin. This definitely was a great episode, Jack. Wendeezy clocked in. So I'd like to see in the comments this week.

[01:29:57] Y'all, let's do a little clock emoji for Wendeezy. If you got this far in the episode, let's get a clock emoji for Wendeezy because listen, we're eight episodes in and Wendeezy has decided to clock it. Let's go. Well, we'll be, we'll see you all next week. This has been your Survivor News covering Survivor Season 48, Episode 8. We're out of here. It's the Purple Pants. It's the Purple Pants. It's the Purple Pants Podcast.

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