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[00:02:03] Hey, everybody. What's going on? Rob Cesternino, and we are back here. Survivor co-effing wrong episode number 12. And I thought this is a fun one. I kind of came in with low expectations on this one. But here we are as we said goodbye to Kyle Jason, and we say hello to Chappell.

[00:02:34] Hey, Rob, you know one of my favorite Survivor tropes. They don't do it all the time. Yes. But I really enjoy when they do the previously on Survivor and they dedicate it to one person. Like, remember Sash? Yes. Yeah. And this was, Jeff talked about like, you know, Ty was in a good position. Is that a kiss of death? Have we ever seen that happen to somebody and then they go on to win the game? Or is it always just like, and this is the episode where we show you why they lost?

[00:03:04] That's a good question. I can't think of another time that they do it, but maybe this is like when they have to explain why somebody is headed towards being a zero vote finalist. This is why. Yeah. I need to go back and look at all the zero vote finalists. It won't take much, but can we think about like maybe in like token genes?

[00:03:27] Like, hey, you remember Steven? You know, like Steven, everything was going good for Steven, but his best friend JT just, yeah, I love it. They start off with Ty and they're just like, yeah, remember Ty? He's got all this power and all this power, but just for some reason, it's not quite coming together for him. And so, yeah, I think this is the beginning of the end for him, even though he's going to make it to the end.

[00:03:50] Yeah. It's not quite coming together for him. There's a lot of focus on Jason in this episode and what he's doing and basically trying to play dead so that they leave him alone. And then a lot of Michelle content in this episode. We needed it. We needed it. We needed to start the winter edit. And, you know, last episode, they kind of had to, well, the last couple of episodes, they had to hide her a little bit and then they had to show her when.

[00:04:16] Well, I misremembered this. I thought Michelle wins immunity here because clearly she should be the one voted out. Yet somehow she comes away from this unscathed and I have to give her more credit for that than I have in the past. Yeah. So Michelle ultimately is there's talk about she should go home or Kyle Jason should go home. It's the final six now. And so Kyle Jason, you would think persona non grata that he would be an easy person to vote out.

[00:04:45] Nobody wants to work with him, but he is beatable at the end. And it's really of all people, it's Ty who's really making the case that Michelle, that she is more well-rounded than Kyle Jason is. Maybe we should be making the case for her. An interesting thing happened at the last vote when Julia Sokolowski got voted out. Michelle was going back and forth with Sydney. Should we vote with Kyle? Should we vote out Julia?

[00:05:13] And she ultimately votes out Julia and votes with the other people, votes with Ty and Sydney and Aubrey and Joe. And now that they're sort of like, OK, well, this is now this is the alliance. And Ty, of all people, is very much of like, hey, how did Michelle get in the alliance? She doesn't even go here.

[00:05:41] It's one thing to say it in confessional. You know, also say it to your allies. But Ty, he said it to her face. He's at tribal council. And she's like, yeah, well, apparently I'm at the bottom of the pecking order. My alliance hadn't told me that. And Ty was like, yes, when are you in the alliance? I said, Ty, damn. I didn't know how she got. I thought we had a four person alliance. I don't really remember inviting her to be in the alliance.

[00:06:08] But she's kind of Sydney's plus one in the alliance. And I don't think anybody really wants to tell Sydney that because Sydney is kind of at the bottom of the alliance. Now, Sydney's kind of been and Sydney, I think, reads this correctly. Hey, I need Michelle. That it was kind of like a Sydney and Aubrey thing. And even Sydney and Aubrey and Michelle went on that reward in the previous episode. But also Aubrey has Joe. That's her plus one. And then they kind of also have Ty.

[00:06:38] And so Aubrey's kind of caught in between the, okay, am I with Michelle and Sydney? Or am I with Joe and Ty? Ty. And she also doesn't want to necessarily be the heavy and tell anybody they're not in the alliance. She wants to keep her options open. Yeah, I don't mind Aubrey keeping her options open. But you're right. Ty correctly assesses that Michelle could be a threat to him at the end. And so his final three is something like Joe Aubrey, Joe Aubrey-Ty.

[00:07:08] Right? Like, okay, easy peasy. He likes Aubrey enough. He probably wouldn't mind losing to her. But everybody keeps telling him he's the biggest threat. So who cares if he sits next to Aubrey, right? He probably, he thinks he probably wins. Sydney's final three is Aubrey, Michelle, and Sydney. So she's like, yeah, I got Aubrey. We got my girl Michelle. We locked it in last episode. It was cool. There should not be an issue here. But there is an issue because, again, Ty is like, no, now it's time for Michelle to go. Aubrey, of course, doesn't want to upset Sydney.

[00:07:38] She doesn't want to upset Ty. She doesn't love Jason. So she's kind of okay with him going just on a personal standpoint. So, yeah, everybody's, like, different motivations are not really aligning anymore. I think Aubrey, at this point, has played a decent game. But I think that now she needs to pick a pony and go with it. And she hasn't quite done that. You know, I think that this is an issue here with Aubrey 1.0.

[00:08:05] And when we see her win in season 50, you know, Aubrey doesn't have a wide variety of options. Aubrey kind of has, like, one path that is the way that she's going to go. She doesn't really get to pick too many times who her allies are going to be. Here, it does seem like that she gets into a bit of decision fatigue.

[00:08:27] And we know that she has struggled with this earlier in the season from when she quite literally went up to the voting booth, voted for Julia, crossed that name out, and then voted for Peter. And I think here, I think that she does not do the best job with picking a side here. She lets Ty go up and vote two votes for Michelle. Vote for Michelle and also Burns' extra vote voting for Michelle.

[00:08:57] And Kyle Jason doesn't even vote for Michelle here. I think he must have thought that he had Kyle Jason and then also Aubrey. And so Aubrey kind of leaves Ty high and dry at this vote, thinking that he is going to vote out Michelle. And I think that for Aubrey, I think that Ty's not necessarily going to love this. And I think that she doesn't do a good enough job of, like, shutting this down quicker.

[00:09:25] So I think Aubrey's final three is Joe, Sidney, and Aubrey. And I think that's the thing that's going on here. I think at this point she should be just okay with going to the end with Ty. I think that she goes, she kind of depowers him in this and defangs him. You know, he loses his advantage, which is that extra vote. He votes incorrectly, which makes him look like he doesn't really know what's going on. Like, she did what she needed to do to kind of neuter him in a way, right? To where he's not this big threat that everybody keeps talking about.

[00:09:54] And I think that's very valuable in Survivor from what we've seen because we know that you can have all the trinkets in the world. And then when you get to the end, if people don't believe you're a threat, it doesn't matter. You know, go back to Xander. Go back to Detective Dean. You know, like, it's like, okay, we got a bunch of stuff, but we weren't going to vote you out anyway. And so with Ty, if Aubrey's like, yeah, I'm not going to vote Ty out, but I'm also not going, I'm going to prove that he's not the big threat that he is. I think she's fine here. The issue is that she ends up at the end with Michelle. And Michelle should really be going here.

[00:10:24] And Ty is correct. It's like she wants to depower him, but the only way to do that is to make him wrong here. To make him blow his advantage. He misses, you know, his extra vote. He doesn't vote for the right person. You know, like, I think that she's choosing to make a move against Ty without voting him out. Yeah. And it's hard to vote him out because he has so much stuff. Yeah. And so I love what you're saying.

[00:10:49] It just doesn't feel like that she is all in on doing what you're saying. I think she's trying to be sort of like straddling the fence a little bit too much. And I think she ends up where and we have to see how it ultimately plays out next week with Joe's medevac and how much that really screws her over. But it doesn't seem like that she's inspiring a lot of confidence from the Sydney and Michelle side of it on this vote.

[00:11:18] And then also certainly is going to lose a little bit of confidence with Ty, who we then see in the next episode feels a little bit betrayed and is going to start, you know, talking to Michelle. She probably should have just voted out Ty here. You know, if she's not going to actively try to take him to the end and she's not, you know, she ends up having to pivot to Ty once Joe is gone. But she should have probably just voted him out here. I think that keeps Michelle and Sydney loyal to her.

[00:11:48] She still has Joe as a plus one. Kyle Jason's still a huge target. You know, maybe it's too attractive to take him to the end at that point. Maybe that's a thing. But yeah, she put herself in a really tight spot in this episode. And I'm not quite sure what she should be doing. Because I still, I think that there's no world in her mind where Michelle is sitting at the end. I think that like, we will get Michelle eventually is kind of where she is. And you brought this up before, but that might be a parallel to her season 50 game, right?

[00:12:18] Like, yeah, we don't have to worry about Aubrey beating us because we're going to take her out. She's not going to be sitting at the end with us. If I'm Rizzo, if I'm Joe, if I'm, you know, Jonathan. Yeah, who cares if Aubrey lasts one more round? She's not getting to the final three anyway. Fast forward to Aubrey at the final three, and now they have no chance of winning. Yeah, I think that she probably would have been better off. I think she wants to take Michelle out. I think that she does want to go with Ty. And I think that's why she's really just going back and forth.

[00:12:47] Because I think she knows taking out Michelle is the right move. I think she's worried that is going to really piss off Sydney. But at that point, if you do take out Michelle, who does not win immunity, if Sydney's mad, Sydney's mad. You know, you're going to the end now with Ty and Joe. And we know, ultimately, we know that Joe will have his medevac.

[00:13:10] But if Sydney and Jason are the only people left out of five, then Aubrey and Joe and Ty are in a really good position. Now, maybe Sydney could win final four immunity. And this is also pre-fire making. So we're going to go down to final three in terms of immunity challenges. But, you know, what are you going to do? So I'm getting confused. So we're going to have a final four immunity challenge and then no fire making.

[00:13:39] We'll have a vote. We will have fire making, but it's not mandatory. Yeah. Is it too bold to let Jason in on this? Let's say, OK, fine. We're going to take out Michelle here. Let's bring in Jason. Let's, you know, let's go ahead. Let's burn Ty or whatever. But we're going to bring in Jason and now we'll take out Ty next.

[00:14:03] You know, is it too soon to or I guess is it too risky to give somebody who's very clearly at the bottom so much ammunition against you? Yeah, I don't think that you can trust Kyle Jason with all that information. I think that you could keep him around and ultimately tell him to vote for Michelle. I think that he would be looking for any path to get to the end. So I think that that's OK.

[00:14:28] But if you ended up taking out Ty and you left Sydney, Michelle and Jason together, I don't know if Aubrey even was aware that they had been talking so much. At the final five, I think that Sydney and Jason and Michelle could potentially vote together against Aubrey and Joe. Yeah, she's in a pickle, a hot pickle, as Parvati would say. Yeah. So, yeah, it was a fun episode to watch because I was just kind of like, damn, what is she going to do?

[00:14:58] You know, I don't think Aubrey's drawing dead by any means necessary, but the people that she surrounded herself by, they're going to be hard to beat. You know, I think Sydney is pretty easy for Aubrey to beat. Honestly, she burned the bra on so much to where I know that she, you know, she ain't got to worry about that. So if she gets to the end with Sydney and Joe, I think she has a good chance. Sydney with Michelle, we know is doom. Sydney with Ty, honestly, she's OK there. And I think she might beat Joe. So it's just a matter of how does she get to the end with the right configuration of people.

[00:15:26] And this was the first, this is the beginning of her making a mistake because I think that she really needs Jason in this game. It's almost like one extra piece that she can beat. Michelle would have been a great person to vote out here. I don't. This is a very half-baked take right now, but I think this is maybe like there's two ways to win Survivor.

[00:15:47] That there is the way where you are sort of like the lovable underdog who won the respect of the jury along the way. That's ultimately how Aubrey is going to win. That's how Michelle wins. That's how Michelle wins. You know, that is, that is a very, we've seen many people ultimately have, I think that's how the winner of my season won Survivor.

[00:16:11] So you're sort of like the well-liked underdog who, you know, came from adversity and got to the end. And then there is the, OK, I earned the win by what I did in the game. But maybe you need, and I know I've argued against like the resume, but I feel like you have to have like one big thing that you point to.

[00:16:36] And I don't know if Aubrey's co-wrong game, like she has like the strategic game, but does it have like the centerpiece of what she did? Where I think that she's almost like in a position where she gets to the end, but then is trying to have to like, in terms of narrative warfare.

[00:16:58] I think that maybe Michelle's likable underdog is just is trumping her underdog story where had she like had a big swing on like a Marianne idling Omer out of the game. Like one big move to point to. I don't know if she has that. Right, right.

[00:17:24] And I think the big move is definitely was that episode 10 where, you know, we have Ty flipping and not using his super idol to save Scott or whatever. But I don't think that resonates as much. To us it was a big move, but I'm not sure if the jury saw it that way. Exactly. Well, they didn't see it, right? They saw Ty as flip-flopping, but they didn't see that Aubrey wasn't the one crouching in the grass. You know, like if they watched it and I think we saw in interviews afterwards, they said, yeah, if I saw it, I probably I could have I could see myself voting differently.

[00:17:55] And I don't think anybody ever said like I would change my vote. But they definitely said like, yeah, they definitely said, yeah, if somebody exposed the moves to them, then, yeah, they would probably look at it a lot higher. I mean, just the edited version of the events is heavily like this is the Aubrey move. Right. And so, yeah, when they get to the end, they're like Ty's a flip-flopper, not Aubrey May type flip-flop. And that's what we saw. And so if she can't, if she can't take ownership of that, it's probably hard to do.

[00:18:22] But if she can't take ownership for a move that nobody saw, then it's probably hard to win that. Like you brought up Marianne. Marianne could say, yeah, I took out Omer and then I guess I got this other thing and I have the proof. Here's the, here's the idol. I mean, you know, here's the note, you know? And so she don't have the note. She can't prove that she made Ty do that. So, yeah, it's not great. Very winnable position, but she manages to put herself in a spot where it's going to be tough.

[00:18:51] And then losing Joe very quickly after this really does take out one of her other, you know, her other beatable people. And not just that. When we're talking about, like, was there one thing that she could really hang her hat on in terms of saying to the jury, this is what I did in this game, that at the final five, whether it was going to be taking out Michelle or taking out Sydney, it robs her of an opportunity to add another thing to be able to say what she did. Yeah.

[00:19:21] And even the way she takes out Sydney loses Sydney's vote. So, you know, at some point she's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. But I think that's a social thing, right? Like when you get to the point where people are willing to vote against you, that's a lack of your social maneuvering. Sydney should have been happy to vote for Aubrey at the end. She's not. Yeah. So if it's Aubrey, Joe and Ty, Aubrey is going to win the season. Is that fair? Yeah, that's Ty's final three.

[00:19:48] There's no way Ty is getting Scott and Jason's vote at that point. Nobody's going to vote for Joe based on anything we've seen. Maybe Debbie. Maybe Debbie. But everybody else is voting for Aubrey at that point. I mean, Aubrey had a good relationship with Sydney, with Michelle. I couldn't even see. I mean, maybe the show is edited differently if Sydney is one day going to vote for Joe. But it doesn't look like Joe would stand a chance. I think Ty might get a vote. But yeah, that's Ty's ideal final three and Aubrey does not go with it.

[00:20:19] If it's Aubrey, Michelle and Sydney, if she went with, stuck with that deal that she was working on last week, does Michelle still win the season? That's a good question. So we know Joe will vote for Aubrey. We know Neil is getting voted off. So that doesn't count. We know, well, who does Ty vote for in that moment, right? Like he's known Michelle since day one, but he did throw his lot in with Aubrey at some point just to get betrayed. What do you think? I think he'd vote for Aubrey. Okay. So yeah.

[00:20:47] So maybe she gets the tie vote. So I mean, I don't think anybody's voting for Sydney in that realm. Maybe Debbie. Maybe Debbie. Maybe Debbie. Maybe Debbie. Are there only seven jury votes in this season? Is it? Not a lot. Yeah. Because we get rid of Neil from the jury. Oh, no. The Mayo Jar will vote for Aubrey as well. So I see Aubrey coming away with probably two, maybe three votes. And then Michelle's getting the rest of them.

[00:21:16] But I think that there, I think it's close because I think that there are only seven votes at that point. Right? Yeah. She stumbles into a disaster scenario. She really does. If she could have gotten to the end with Sydney's final three or with Ty's final three or with Joe's final three, Joe's final three is a losing. No. Or with Joe's final three, Joe, Aubrey, and Ty. She's good. She falls into that one spot where if she's in that spot, she loses.

[00:21:44] And it's because Michelle is there. And Michelle is there with Sydney on the jury, not voting for Aubrey. You know? It's not great. Yeah. Yeah. This is only seven jury votes in this season. So we're talking about a scenario where it's 3-3-1 potentially, which I think is the Dom Wendell-Laurel situation, where then I think then Sydney would become the eighth member of the jury and then cast her vote.

[00:22:13] And then we cast a vote for Michelle. Would she? I think so. I mean, that Aubrey hasn't burned Sydney in this scenario, but I think that Sydney and Michelle, I think, have – like, I just think that they have more of, like, a friendship. And I think that Aubrey and Sydney had more of, like, a working relationship. See, and that's the thing with Sydney.

[00:22:37] She does not, like, get this bad reputation for being kind of, like, a bitter juror or, like, a bad juror. But I think Sydney's a bad juror. I think that you do not want Sydney on your jury because we cannot predict what she – even now. We've watched this whole show, you know, for the last few weeks, and we still can't tell you how Sydney's going to vote because she just gets to the end and is like, no, I didn't vote for Aubrey because she beat me at fire. Well, had she lost, she wouldn't have been able to get voted for anyway.

[00:23:03] Like, she was – again, you put her in a spot where it's, like, either lose to me or I'm not going to vote for you. And that's a person that I don't want voting in the jury at all. Aubrey should have won that challenge that Michelle wins, that advantage, and voted out Sydney. And she wouldn't even know to do that. But, yeah, it's crazy. If we knew more about our sleep, what would we do differently? Would we go to bed at a consistent time or take steps to reduce interruptions to our sleep?

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[00:24:23] We have a really fun tribal council. A long tribal council. Maybe the longest tribal council of the season. Where in the episode, I feel like it's like 11 or 12 minutes, this tribal council. And this is where we're going to see where Michelle is really going to push back against Ty. Where Ty is really coming for Michelle. But it's not a fair fight.

[00:24:43] Michelle's so good at these tribal councils where if you're trying to talk smack about Michelle or beat around the bush, she is going to be very direct and come with receipts and say, wait, what are you saying? How does that make sense? And Ty, with English not being his first language, it is not a great spot for Ty.

[00:25:11] Ty also doesn't have any backup. Aubrey's in the background going, I mean, Ty, this isn't the most democratic way to handle this. The peanut gallery is not on his side. But so when he's doing this, he should double down. What he should say is, my alliance has four people in it and Michelle is not in it. That's what he should say. But he's like, I don't remember the last time you ended up in the alliance. And Michelle was like, well, that's news to me.

[00:25:38] You know, she's very much like, I was told that this was my group. And she's pushing back against that. But by now, Ty should be saying, you're not a part of this group. Aubrey and I have decided. Me, Aubrey and Joe. You know, like he should be planting his flag because Ty's plans on playing the idol next. Michelle can't get him out next anyway. So why not just double down at this point? You know? Yeah. Michelle's so direct. You can't really beat around the bush when you're dealing with somebody and debating somebody like that.

[00:26:06] It's a bad look, especially in front of the jury. And Ty is trying to be vague in these conversations where he's like, you know, we had different ideas about what to do. That's fine. You can have that. And Michelle's like, well, it was either going to be me or Jason. So what was the other idea? Well, if it's not going to be Jason, then what's the idea, Ty? Why? No, I've never seen somebody who's at the bottom of an alliance fight so hard to be at the bottom of an alliance.

[00:26:34] Like Michelle has decided like, I'm fine with being fifth, but like, you're not going to tell me I was sixth, right? You're not, you're not going to do that to me. She's like, she's like, wait, but Ty's like, wait, wait, you're not in it. Like what part aren't you? What's not clicking? You're next. And she's like, but I'm not now. I'm not now. And that's not what we talked about. And I think she also knows that she knows Aubrey's not about to flip on her. So she's talking about this, like Ty, you're wrong. You're crazy. Actually. She's being able to speak about it with a level of authority that I don't think she should be able to at this point.

[00:27:03] You know, like if you were keeping Michelle in the dark, Michelle, like obviously thinks she's going to the final three with somebody, you know, she thinks Ty's out next. There's no, there's no backup plan in Ty's mind. It's like, this is Michelle. It's your turn. You know? So, um, it's, it's fun to watch because she really does eat them up. She's like, it sounds like a bunch of malarkey to me. It sounds like a bunch of malarkey to me. Yeah. Um, so yeah, she's at the bottom of the pecking order, but she's like, I don't know about that.

[00:27:32] And all she has to do is outlast Jason one more round. And now she has to pitch against Ty, you know, and a pitching against Ty is a little easier now that Jason spent this entire episode being like, Ty is the big bad wolf. He's the one who knocks. He's the one we should be. I think Aubrey's having some buyer's remorse also in this episode. I think that Aubrey does not like working with these messy players. She didn't love working with Debbie. She's not loving how messy Ty is at this tribal council.

[00:27:59] I think she likes people who are a lot more, you know, agile with their words and more buttoned up. You know what? I think Aubrey doesn't get enough credit for the adversity that she faced in this season. Um, losing Neil, getting Neil voted off the jury, uh, also losing Joe, you know, like just that alone, you should give her some style points for even being able to make it. There have been so many times where, and don't get me wrong.

[00:28:28] If she hadn't lost Neil, it probably would have been her anyway, but like her, him not being on the jury is a big deal. He's not, he gets voted out before they can pitch their, their final tribal council speech. You know, um, she, that could have been a built-in vote. Maybe somebody who does vote with, uh, with Neil, if she think, if they think Aubrey's getting more than, you know, one or two votes, they're like, all right. You know, people want to vote for the winner. We've heard this before. Uh, and with Neil being gone, you're kind of like trying to count her votes. Like she only going to get one or two votes. I'll just go ahead and vote for Michelle, you know?

[00:28:57] Um, so she's got to do with that. She deals with Joe being, uh, you know, leaving the game at some point. Uh, and she still makes it to the end within a pretty impressive game, but they're not going to give her style points. And I think that's probably the thing that's, that I never really focused on in the past. Is it like, she did this despite having all those things happen. Yeah. It's a remarkable run that she is even able to get to this point.

[00:29:24] They talk about, um, Spencer and, uh, or Ryman with, uh, you know, snatching the football, you know, uh, cast snatching the football away from the football was snatched from Aubrey, like five times, you know? Yeah. But she still made it to the end and she didn't have to win her way to do that. So I thought it was very impressive. One of the things that really struck me in this episode was that Michelle has some incredible luck here in this episode where we remember Michelle and she is going to win some key immunities down the stretch.

[00:29:50] But in this episode, we have the block challenge where it's stack up the letters and spell out immunity. And I don't remember if this is the first time they ultimately did this challenge or if they've done it before, but this is one of the more iconic times that they do it where Sydney does it in super slow motion where she is moving at a snail's pace. And this is always like one of the most memorable approaches to this.

[00:30:19] I think Aubrey has actually done this challenge three times and lost it all three times, but that Sydney is ultimately the winner, but she's going up against Kyle Jason here. And she is going super slow. Kyle Jason is going super fast. Kyle Jason, who loses his stack, I think a couple times, ends up him and Sydney are actually tied at one point. They both have eight. Kyle Jason has passed Sydney.

[00:30:47] He is moving backwards to go step on his platform. And if he wins immunity, I do think Michelle gets voted out here unless unless we come up with some plan to blindside Ty with his idol. I think there's a very good chance Michelle goes home here. The crazy thing is that Michelle should have went home here anyway. You know, she should have gone home here.

[00:31:10] This with Jason not winning immunity, it's still it's the Abby Maria problem all over again. Right. It's like this person who we can all definitely beat, but we don't want them in the game anymore next to somebody who is so likable that we're willing to bring them into our alliance, even if it's, you know, just for an episode or two. Michelle has social game her way past this round. And I think it's very impressive. You know, people diminish the idea of like the challenges.

[00:31:37] You know, what what does winning a challenge do for you as a good winner? You know, I think Rachel Lamont kind of talks about how she didn't want to Mike Holloway herself only to have to Mike Holloway herself to the end. But she's like, that's not the game I wanted to play. I think people want to be able to to Machiavellian like mind fuck everybody into letting them to the end. And then Michelle is doing the opposite. She's in so good with them because she voted out her number one ally. You would think, why, Michelle, would you vote out Julia? She wanted to get in good with this alliance.

[00:32:05] And now she bonded enough for Aubrey and Sydney where Sydney thinks this is my final three. So she's fighting to keep Michelle in the game. You know, her social game is her superpower. We've talked about that before. And the show doesn't really highlight it. But the fact that you just pointed that out. I mean, Michelle, if Jason does win immunity here, there's a non-zero chance that Michelle still survives because she is Michelle. You know, so, yeah, I think, like you said, the idea to blindside Ty would still be on the table.

[00:32:33] Ty has enough hubris to think that they're going to vote out Michelle. He's like, I'm going to use my extra vote. Then I'm going to use my idol next. And now they got Jason who would happily vote out Ty. So, yeah, this this could be the end of Ty, not Michelle. Yeah. I said that this is the first time they did this. I looked at the wiki. It looks like that they did it in Blood vs. Water in San Juan del Sur. This is the third time that they ever did this challenge.

[00:33:00] OK, yeah, I can never remember where these challenges pop up unless something really iconic happens. And you're right. The Sydney approach is iconic. And I think it's only iconic because Jeff is preying on her downfall the entire time. He's like, Sydney's going so slow, but anybody could get literally anybody could catch her. They drop. OK, the next person, you can catch her. You can catch her. Then you see like Michelle speeding up. You can catch it. Jeff's incredulous during this. He's pissed.

[00:33:27] And I thought I thought Sydney was going to lose. I was convinced that Michelle was going to win this challenge because I was like, well, there's no way that Michelle survives this round without winning this challenge. Guess what? She does. Sydney wins it. And then she gets she gets the style points of the episode because going that slow was it was a calculated risk, but it paid off. I'd love to talk about the reward challenge also in this episode, which I think was kind of a cool setup. There's been definitely some challenges that we don't see challenges like this anymore.

[00:33:57] It's the final six. So it's three and three. And you had to basically get through a little bit of an obstacle course in the water. Joe Del Campo is going to have a lot of trouble. But then the second part of it is that there's like this big maze that's in the water. And it required all three people to like run around the circumference of the maze to move the ball around. And I thought that this was a cool, interesting challenge that you don't see.

[00:34:27] Bring it back. Bring it back. Bring it back. We see this maze thing a million times every every time Survivor, like where people are holding the little ropes or whatever or, you know, moving the maze. But this got to be the only time I don't let me lie. This might be this is one of the few times I've ever seen it like a floating version of this where they're out. And like you said, they're doing this like a team version of this. It was so cool to watch. And I just don't know why we don't do it more often. I think what it was missing was there were no holes in the maze.

[00:34:56] And so that there was no way for the team is the blue team is about to do it. Like, no, the ball fell in the hole. So I don't know. You'd have to like if it fell in the hole, you'd have to like swim underneath it. So that might be tricky to do. But that was too much. That was cool to do that. I don't know if they've ever done this challenge again. I really liked it. Yeah.

[00:35:20] And then we got such an interesting, cool reward that they went to. They went to the Animal Sanctuary. Wildlife Alliance. Where good things happen to animals. Animals. Where good things happen to animals. They met. Ty, which is definitely a highlight for any animal. This was cool. Jason was there. We get another redemption tale for Jason. You know, he's talking about how his daughter really likes the animals and how, you know,

[00:35:49] her being autistic, she reacts a lot when she sees animals. And so, yeah, this is what we're talking about. When him and Scott are separate, we kind of get the, oh, they're not so bad at it. But when they're together, they're miserable. And so he's gone. And so now it's kind of looking up. And I think it also kind of reinforces that, you know, the show agrees that Jason is a threat in some way, right? Like, because Sidney's still talking about how, I don't want to vote, sit next to him at the end. Because what if people do decide they want to give him the money because of, you know, his story

[00:36:17] or because of his family situation. But I thought it was really cool seeing Ty doing the animal thing. Obviously seeing Jason hanging out with the monkeys and stuff like that. You know what was offensive though? What? Joe's tan line. Dear God, this man has the whitest ass in the history of the world. How have you been laying out on that beach this entire time? And you ain't even let Joe ass peek the sun? Where is Sarge? Right. Where is Sarge?

[00:36:46] You need a Julie Berry out there to be like, hey, let them cheeks out. Right. Let them cheeks out. I was embarrassed. Not at his challenge performance, which is what he was embarrassed about. But oh my God, my eyes are just so white. Is Joe Del Campo a never nude? Is that why he could never, he was, he didn't want to go to the bathroom. He held it for too long. Gotta be. Gotta be. Because he's so tan. That's the other thing. Joe is like orange, you know, like all over.

[00:37:15] And so when, when I thought it was just the blur at first, I said, oh, you know, showing a little crack, you know, Survivor loves to blur. But then I realized like, yeah, but then I realized, no, that's, that's just his body. He's, he is blurred. Man is quite. Very, very two-tone situation for Joe Del Campo. Jeez. I got, look, I look, look, maybe I'm speaking out of term. Tanning is not a thing that you'll ever see me do. But I just think you should hit the hot spot sometimes, Joe. Like just for a little bit.

[00:37:43] You've been out there in Korong as hot as it is. You could have got a little sunlight, baby. Mm-hmm. Yep. If you went to the animal sanctuary, would you let the monkeys jump on you? Yeah, sure. Whatever. Yeah. Like, yeah, it's not going to bother me too much. It's like, it's animals. You know, I'm not. I don't know. I think it'd be a little bit like, ah. It's like, ugh. I feel like when you, like when in Rome, you kind of have to do it. Rob, my favorite reward that they ever have done is when they go to the jellyfish lake. Yeah.

[00:38:11] And it's like, and it's like, they don't sting you. But I think when I was a kid, I thought that was so cool. And then, or when I was younger. I used to. Was it Guatemala? I thought that was so cool. I know they do it in Heroes vs. Villains. Mm-hmm. For sure. I don't know if they do it in, I guess not Guatemala. It would have had to been Samoa. Yeah. Yeah. Was it, did they do it in, was it Heroes vs. Villains? I think so. Or Fans vs. Favorites? Oh, it might be Micronesia. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I like that.

[00:38:41] Because maybe, I think that that's Palau maybe. Okay. Yeah. I like that. But then, the more I think about it, or maybe the older I get, the more I'm like, I don't know. That's kind of scary too. Yeah. I wouldn't love it. I would not be something I would be super excited about. Yeah. In my mind, it's fun. Yeah. But then, if they start to touch me too much, then I'm going to get out the water. Yeah. Like you. Yeah. Okay.

[00:39:08] Kyle Jason, though, he, we see his strategy. He tells us he's trying to play dead and that he isn't doing anything. He's not helping. And the more he doesn't help, the more people start to think like, well, we could just take him to the end. He's not going to win. And it doesn't seem like it's working to some degree. It's funny. At tribal council, Jeff is talking to Ty and Michelle. And then after like 10 minutes, he finally goes like to like, hi, Jason.

[00:39:38] And Jay's like, hi. Yeah. Playing dead should work here. But I wonder if it's the thing that happens where you start playing survivor well and people notice. And so then they have to stomp you out. Right. So it's like, um, um, it's like you were not a threat until I saw how you handled where we thought you weren't a threat. And then we realized that you were a threat. Like if he was being louder and more brash, I think that solidifies like, okay, we can beat him.

[00:40:06] But the fact that he was able to calm down a little bit enough and like, he's, you can see him sneaking by. It's like, he's doing the, the scooby-doo tiptoe. And it's like, you, he's walking past the doorway. You're like, Hey, that's what they did. They caught him. He's going to make it to the end and he's going to take up somebody's spot. You know, he, he is a goat, but only two people are going to be able to sit next to him. And so you don't want that man taking up your spot.

[00:40:31] I almost, I wonder if the story about his daughter hurts him more than it helps him. Where I think that people like, listen, he has a, his daughter, she's special needs. He gets up there. He starts talking about that. People are going to vote for him. Like if he didn't tell anybody about his daughter the whole way through. You just thought he was like the, and if he then revealed, like I, again, he would have

[00:40:56] to invent this that before the season comes after second chances, but he wouldn't have to invent this before Jeremy Collins of like, Hey, I know you all thought I was a heel out here. You thought I was the worst person in the world. Well, I have to tell you, I played this hard because there's something you didn't know. I have a daughter at home. You know, you know, I have girls, but my daughter has special needs. It's we need this money. It's for our family. Like, I think it's a compelling case.

[00:41:25] I think it doesn't work because he's such a heel because at that point it's like Russell Hance being like, and then my dog died in Louisiana. It's like, all right, Hey, Hey, we don't care. We don't care. But you, you didn't, you didn't like carve through this whole season with an ice pick. And now you want us to get to the end and be like, Oh, he has a heart. We shouldn't believe nothing. You talk about nothing. You're saying is believable to us at that point. So although I think it's the best case he could make, uh, I still think it's a losing one. Cause I, that wouldn't work on me. I would be like, well, you should have thought about that before you showed your ass out here.

[00:41:55] Uh, but you know, but we have heard Sydney even say that, you know, Hey, I don't want Jason getting those votes when he's talking about his daughter. So I do think that it was something that I think was in people's minds of why we're like, okay, well he, but he still could get votes. Oh, I totally agree. Yeah. It looks like Sydney's been thinking that for episodes upon episodes and now that's his loudest detractor is like, all right. Yeah. He's a, he's a goat, but how are we going to cut everybody else to sit next to him? And then he's going to have this compelling story and he's going to beat us all, you

[00:42:24] know? Um, so I think the way he's able to make that reveal work is he has to do like Jeremy and not be awful. If you're not awful and people want to sit next to you, then they already want you at the end of a little bit, you beat them, but they're happy for you. And then you got the extra icing on the cake. The cherry on top is, you know, I have this other family situation that I need the money for. And then people say, oh, okay. Cause Jeremy doesn't win because of his big reveal about the baby.

[00:42:52] But I think that if there was anybody on the fence, you know, I think that's the one that sways them over. This summer at Wolf Trap. Lizzo. Josh Groban. Erica Badu. John Batiste. Tedeschi Trucks Band. James Taylor. And many more. Tickets on sale now at wolf trap.org. I want to go back to Joe Del Campo for a minute. That after the challenge, his ass, but then after the challenge is over and they really

[00:43:22] lose the challenge because he can't get through the obstacle course after it's over that they caption him. He seems to be upset with the, the, the ball that goes through the maze. He says, you dumb ball. Stupid ball. Dumb ass ball. Joe. White ass ball. He was, he was so embarrassed by this that he decides to make up for it by working really

[00:43:52] hard at camp, but also making everybody else work really hard at camp. Like he was really just, yeah, he crawls right under Sydney's skin. This is where she gets her, her iconic quote. We don't need no heat baby. We're in the middle of Corona. Like, listen, we don't need no more heat babies. Yeah. They come back from the challenge and Joe's like, I was embarrassed. I was like a six month old in the challenge and also probably has very white ass. And he is like, that's it.

[00:44:22] I got to take this out. It was shades of Butch Lockley of we need firewood. We need the firewood. And Sydney is eating a piece of coconut. And he's like, Sydney, come on, let's go. Chop. Like why? I don't know if was Aubrey already doing it. He didn't seem like he was very concerned with what Aubrey was doing. But Sydney, hey, Sydney, no more time for a rest. You gotta, you gotta do this. And she's like, he is. Mr. Joe is getting on my last nerve.

[00:44:49] Aubrey is a better survivor player than both of these people. So what happens is when Joe says to Aubrey, hey, Aubrey, get up. She's like, I need to keep Joe in my alliance. Let me get up. Joe then goes to Sydney and says, hey, Sydney, get up. And she's like, huh? What? No, I'm busy. Like I'll get up when I feel like it. And Joe is such a bad survivor player that he goes and just continues to piss off Sydney. You need Sydney right now. Sydney flipping would be bad for you.

[00:45:19] This woman, you need her on your side. Joe is actively playing the game bad again. It takes you back to Peter Bagenstas where Joe is like, yeah, F Peter. And then afterwards being like, you know, I think, damn, I think you're right. I think we do need him on our team. It's like, yes, crazy. Are you dumb? I'm like, you sent Ty off with three people. Well, with two other people. They're out there lollygagging and gallivanting around with animals. They're going to come back and they're going to feel good. All they need is one person to flip.

[00:45:52] And now y'all are at the bottom. Joe, get it together. Yeah. Yeah. So after that immunity challenge, Ty is going to try to make his big move to get out Michelle. And he's going to go first. He goes to Kyle Jason. He's like, all right, hey, vote out Michelle. And Kyle Jason's like, I don't think so. No, no. You already lied to me.

[00:46:22] Two times. If you F with me, you're dead. You know? Yeah. He thinks Michelle is a bigger threat. And Michelle can definitely tell that Jason is the next one blocking her path if he doesn't win immunity. So Michelle's like, nah, we're voting out Jason, guys. Right? Right? And Ty's like, look, I got Michelle where I want her. I got an extra vote. And with that, me, Joe, Aubrey, we'll take her out.

[00:46:50] There's nothing they can do about it if I play my extra vote. But somehow, Michelle survives this. She's good. Yeah. Joe is very locked in. He's going to vote out Jason. He doesn't want to hear about voting out Michelle. But Sidney rats out Ty to Michelle and says that it's Ty who is trying to get you out. And that's where Michelle's like, we'll see about that. We're going to have a conversation about this at Tribal, damn it.

[00:47:18] And yeah, she really does air him out at Tribal Council. Aubrey just leads him up a creek like, I don't know, Ty. It feels like you made this decision about us voting out Michelle and then you told us all about that. That's not going to fly with Sidney. And honestly, it's not going to fly with Aubrey either. Sidney says a couple of times that Ty is dictating the vote. And Ty's like, yeah, kind of. Like, yeah. And yeah, he's like, why do y'all care? Michelle's not in our alliance.

[00:47:48] What difference does it make? She's next. If she's not next, she's after that. Well, I think one of the most interesting conversations in the episode happens when Sidney talks to Aubrey and she asks Aubrey point blank, would she vote with Ty or is she voting with Sidney? And Aubrey, I think, is a little wishy-washy with the answer that she ultimately gives here. I think that she needed to lock in more with Sidney here.

[00:48:18] She hadn't picked her pony yet. I still think that, yeah. Like, by now she should be saying, this is my group. I'm going with them. But she's trying to keep her options open. And what Aubrey lands on is, look, we're still an alliance. We don't have to agree with everything. You know, you have a thing that you want to do. I have a thing that I want to do. Let's just see what happens. And I was like, that's not how you, you know, lock in any type of loyalty or anything. Because when Michelle was in a point where she had to choose a side, she said, all right, Julia, you're dead to me. Bye. You know? And she'll still get Julia's vote.

[00:48:48] And she makes it to the end. But it's her decisiveness, right? Like, yeah, she was waffling. But when it came down to it, she said, nah, I'm going to choose y'all. And Aubrey is like, Sidney, you do you. I'll do me. And if anything is going to push Sidney closer to Michelle, it's definitely that. Yeah. I think that Aubrey here is being transparent and being upfront with Sidney that, hey, I am considering my options.

[00:49:15] I think it's probably better to be decisively, yes, I'm with you. Even if you're then to tie, yes, I'm definitely with you. I don't think anything is gained by being sort of, yeah, I'm thinking about it. It's like I'm totally with you until then you're not. And you just are then flat out. You're either locked in or betraying.

[00:49:44] But it's the middle ground, I think, that gets you in trouble. People flip-flop until they can't flip-flop no more. And I think that at this point, now is the time you lock in, right? Tony's known for the flip-flopping game. But by the end of that game, he's sitting next to the two people he wants to sit next to, right? He's like, all right, Kim Woo and Cass, that was going to be his final three. Once he betrays Trish, he's like, all right, I'm good. Everybody else can just go. We got to get out Spencer. We got to get out Tasha.

[00:50:13] All these people got to go. But this is the three I want out. And so, yeah, I'm locked in with them. Now, don't get me wrong. Cass is going to do that kicking and screaming. But I think even in your season, right? At some point, you're like, nah, it's me and Mateo. That's the crew. It's like, all right, I've backstabbed a bunch of people. But now, none of the rest of you will matter because it's me and Mateo. I think Aubrey has not hit that point yet. Aubrey's like, it's me and Joe. And then maybe Sidney. Or then maybe Ty. I don't know. And it's like, well, Ty's really strong.

[00:50:42] Ty's got a good story. But then there's Sidney. And I do like her. She's good strategically. I think I could probably beat her. But I probably can't beat Ty. But I like Sidney more. That's what she's doing. She's waffling too much. Yeah, I wonder if there was a world where Aubrey maybe wanted Aubrey, Sidney, and Joe. And that was the final three. Because I think that there was a point in time when people thought, oh, Ty is a very likable person to go to the final three. So I wonder if maybe Aubrey wasn't really crazy about going to the end with Ty, but definitely

[00:51:12] wasn't crazy about going to the end with Michelle. And so she's trying, maybe she's like trying to order something that's not on the menu of there's Ty, Aubrey, Joe, or Aubrey, Sidney, Michelle. And she's like, well, how about this special order? But I don't think that Sidney or Joe are particularly fond of that plan. Right. Joe's final three is Ty, Aubrey, Joe. Sidney's final three is Aubrey, Michelle, Sidney.

[00:51:41] And so Sidney's kind of looking at Aubrey like, girl, you got to cut Joe soon anyway. You know, she don't want to sit next to Joe. I think she's good with Michelle being there. And I think that Aubrey, like you said, she wants Joe there and she wants Sidney there. But that means cutting Ty. And she just did so much emotional work to win Ty over. I think that she really gave him her heart in that moment in order to make that bond because Ty is unwaveringly loyal to Aubrey now. Right. And so I think that she spent so much capital on that that she's not ready to just burn it all away.

[00:52:11] It can hurt Ty's feelings. Obviously, it wouldn't be great for jury management. And so, yeah, she really put herself in a position where her final three is going to be really hard to get. And she's not to piss off a couple of people to make it happen. I'd love to talk a little bit about the Ty's extra vote, which the business of his extra vote is handled differently than it is now. Ty goes up and votes for Michelle.

[00:52:39] Then Jeff asks, does anybody want to play an advantage? Right. Did he say, does anybody play an advantage? What's the question? Is there if there's an idol or an advantage now is the time to play it? Did he say that? Yeah, maybe. And then he then ties like, yes, yes, I would like to play my extra vote. And he's just like, all right, well, have at it. Go for go. Go. Go do your extra vote. And so he goes up and votes for Michelle.

[00:53:08] He voted for her two times. Sometimes. Yeah. How do you like the way this is handled? No, it's not good. It's clunky. You have the extra vote like in your, like on your person and you sort of just like, they're like, okay, and now I'm going to pull it out of my pocket and now I'm going to put my extra vote and do it there. I don't know at what point they make that switch. You know, Steven has the steal a vote, which happened, but the steal of what I understand you have to announce before the vote.

[00:53:38] Hey, I'm stealing somebody's vote here. In terms of the extra, I don't know if it gets announced that way again. I'm not sure if there's an extra vote in millennials versus Gen X. I'm trying to think of the next time the extra vote comes out. I don't, I don't like this either, but I don't like it mostly because if Ty says, and now I'm going to go play my extra vote, I think that could trigger something like the

[00:54:05] Idol Avalanche or, you know, Advantage Gettin where Ty did that. So now I'm going to react to it. Ty did do that. Yeah, actually. Yeah. He did that. And so he goes back there, plays his vote, but what's stopping Michelle from being like, oh, Jeff, not so fast. You know, especially now that we live in a world where there's the shot in the dark, she would have already had to use her shot in the dark. Right. But she could have still played her Idol at this point. Right. And so I think that's why they, yeah, if she had one.

[00:54:34] So I think that's why they have to do it this way is because, oh, well, that way, then this way doesn't work because if Ty didn't have that Idol, I think the super Idol could still be in effect too. Right. Like if somehow Ty, if Scott had a survive last round without using his Idol, he'd still have it. So, I mean, at that point, I think we're in a tighter pickle because, you know, does Ty's extra vote happen? Then the super Idol happens after the votes are read after the extra vote.

[00:55:02] And then does the extra vote count toward the super Idol vote? I think it's too clunky. Get rid of it. Yeah. The extra vote is in Game Changers. And Debbie gets it, I guess, from Cochran on the Advantage menu. And she used it against Ozzy. She voted for Ozzy twice. Oh, that reminds me. I was looking at the YouTube comments and somebody flagged up that the original plan,

[00:55:29] Voodoo, was, you know, against Yule, obviously, with his super Idol. But it was supposed to be after the votes were read, but before the person was voted out. I guess that's how they explained it the first time. And I think that's why Yule was so afraid of Cowboy, you know, and that idea in that moment. So, I think that does bring some clarity to how that would work, if that's the case, if it's like throughout the entire game.

[00:55:56] But I still am confused about, you know, like the tiebreaker situation, if that would ever be a thing. You know, previous votes, all that kind of stuff. I just, I think they need to get rid of the extra vote. I mean, not the extra vote, the super Idol altogether. I thought about it. Yeah. I've come around. Don't bring it back. Yeah. Well, because we talked about what would happen if you had like, if I got an Idol and I got another Idol, is it now a super Idol? But it's so OP. No, it was only in the season that they did that. I don't think they've ever brought that back. I don't think they've ever had the super Idol as a thing after this.

[00:56:24] I don't think it should be a thing ever again. Because it's, I mean, nobody's ever been voted out with one. You know, it's like, once you get it, it's kind of just a cheat code to the end. I was listening to you and Mike Bloom debate Parvati, you know, and her skill set. And is she the GOAT? And one thing that I like to flag up is that we don't know how Parvati would have done if Yule wasn't walking around with that super Idol the first time she played. You know, that's a hard thing to overcome. I don't, nobody has actually overcome it. I mean, the only person who's ever really beaten it is Aris.

[00:56:52] And that's because Terry just doesn't make it to the end because of fire, if I'm not mistaken. So, yeah. Well, Terry gets the final three and then Danielle wins the final three. Yeah, but everybody else who gets a super Idol is like, just pencil me in for the finale. And so, yeah, I think that we might need to, might need to abolish that thing. Yeah. I don't like it. Okay. Anything else from episode number 12? No, this was fun.

[00:57:22] This was fun to talk about. You know, I still have been very confused about many of the moves that were happening this season. I definitely think it's a mistake to not vote out Michelle here. Obviously, I know how it ends, but just knowing that Jason is walking around with the big old goat horns and the tail and all that kind of stuff by now, he's got a little goat beard too. It's just too much of a, too much of like an attractive person to sit next to. You know, with all due respect to Michelle, she's going to win the game. You should have voted her out right here.

[00:57:52] I think this is the mistake. This is the game losing mistake for Aubrey. Well, I have to give Ty credit because he does clock that Michelle is the much more well-rounded person and is rightfully concerned about her. So it's not like people were looking at Michelle at this point in the game being like, okay, well, she has no shot to win. Yeah. And then, you know, maybe they were weighing the idea of like challenge threat. You know, maybe they thought Jason could win more challenges than Michelle.

[00:58:19] But they've just put themselves in a position where all Michelle has to do is win a couple challenges and she'll be sitting there and they can't stop her. And, you know, with the Joe situation happening that nobody could have foreseen that happening. She's going to get fast tracked a little bit further into the game very quickly after this. So I'm excited to see what the end game looks like. So the Survivor Wiki has an interesting fact. This episode was the only time in the season where Michelle got votes. She's good. From Ty. Two votes from Ty. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:58:49] They were both from Ty. He was right. And the title of this episode, It's Time to Start Scheming, was said by Jason. I saw a question. This is completely unrelated, but it's Survivor, so whatever. I saw a question on Facebook. Someone asked, and I guess this is a Twitch question for you. Which Survivor players never received any votes throughout the entire game, including votes to win the game? Do you know the answer? Okay.

[00:59:19] So I'm trying to work backwards from zero vote finalist who, is it multiple people? There are two people. And I was very surprised by this because the question was actually posed, has anybody ever made it through, like, played Survivor and never had their name written down? Never had their name written down. That has never happened. No one has ever played Survivor and never had their name written down. That means if they played it multiple times. But there are two people who have done it at least once. Hmm.

[00:59:50] You know, there's so, there's like a zero vote finalist every single season in the new era. So. There's one in the new era. Yeah. And there's one in the old era. Okay. All right. So let me just say my new era person. I'm going to go with Owen. It would be Joe Hunter in season 50. Okay. Wow.

[01:00:20] Yeah. And he, if it wasn't for Cedric, he would have had it. It would have happened twice. Wow. So yeah. And then the old era, it's, it's a pre season 20. I'll give you that. Yeah. Okay. Becky. No, a good friend of yours. Steven. Not that good. No, Sugar Kuyper, but you were close. Oh, okay. Yeah. Right there. Sugar, Sugar was doing some chaotic stuff in that game and they never voted for her. Yeah. That's wild.

[01:00:50] They never voted for her. Insane that they never voted for her. She did have the idol. She did. She did. That idol does magic. But yeah. Yeah. She got voted for in heroes versus villains and Joe got that one Cedric vote as in the previous season as well. So they both had their names written down, but to this day, nobody has made it through survivor completely unscathed. Okay. All right. Well, we're coming up with somebody does not come out unscathed from the next episode. We're talking about Joe Del Campos medevac next time.

[01:01:20] I think one of the tougher weeks for me to podcast. Was it like nothing to talk about? Nothing to talk about. Yeah. Okay. Well, maybe between now and tomorrow when we record, we'll find something. I think it'll be fine for what we're doing now to talk about like what, what the hell happened. It was a tough week to break down on the podcast. I'm sure.

[01:01:47] I don't know who won the fishy, but it, you know, I would love to know. I'm going to look, I'm going to go back and listen to that and do the supplemental readings. Yeah. Okay. All right. Chappelle, what's coming up for you? More of this, obviously a big brother will have started or is starting very quickly after this. And so you can catch me talking about that with, you know, throughout the season, you and I talking about the sloppiness. That's fun. Yeah. Slopping it up.

[01:02:14] And then on my podcast, recap, kickback.com talking about house of the dragon. We're talking about, what is it? Interview with the vampire or the vampire Lestat, whatever you want to call it. And then Chantel and I are talking about VH1's Rock of Love live on Sundays. So check out all of that and more. All right. It's the home stretch of Survivor Co. Wrong. We'll be back talking about Joe Del Campo and the medevac next time. Take care of a good one. Bye. Bye. Bye.