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[00:02:41] Woo, baby! Episode 12 did not disappoint. I mean, it is so much for us to get into.

[00:02:51] We have to talk about these challenges, the rewards, Operation Italy, and so much more.

[00:02:58] So I'm so excited to have the winner of Ghost Island, Wendell Holland.

[00:03:04] Netflix Circle Season 2, our baby boy Jack Atkins.

[00:03:07] And we have Survivor 45's Jake O'Kane joining us this week to help break all of this down.

[00:03:15] So listen, let's get in to this week's Survivor News.

[00:03:27] Survivor News.

[00:03:29] Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News.

[00:03:46] What's going on? We're back this week with your Survivor News covering Survivor Season 47, Episode 12.

[00:03:54] An episode to talk about if there ever was an episode to talk about.

[00:04:00] So, of course, I have the first Merge boot from Winners at War when DZ Holland was popping with you.

[00:04:07] I'm more than the first Merge boot, but I'll take it. How you doing, Perp?

[00:04:12] You're the first Merge boot, but it's cool.

[00:04:14] And we have the star of Netflix, The Circle Season 2, and the floor is lava.

[00:04:21] He might not be in L.A. He's in the same time zone, even though the time that is in L.A. is the same time that is in this time zone.

[00:04:29] We've got Jack Atkins was popping.

[00:04:31] What's up? I'm not going to get into the time zone debate.

[00:04:34] It's an old debate between us.

[00:04:39] This pale Orlando light is flooding in on me.

[00:04:42] I think I realized I need to go sit in the sun for a little bit.

[00:04:45] I'm really excited to talk about the episode before I do that.

[00:04:49] Well, with an episode like this, I feel like we have to get somebody that not only can relate, but is a legend in their own right.

[00:04:57] Let's welcome Survivor Season 45, the legend, baby girl, Jake, back to the podcast.

[00:05:03] What's going on, Jake?

[00:05:04] I'm just happy that I have this ring light and Jackie's so much more pale than me right now.

[00:05:10] I think that's how I know that it's getting bad.

[00:05:18] When someone in Boston has more color than you?

[00:05:22] Yeah, yeah.

[00:05:24] And speaking of Boston, Bryson Wynn, we were just in Boston for Tour 47 last Wednesday.

[00:05:30] Jake was there.

[00:05:31] The building, the energy was amazing.

[00:05:34] Jake was a crowd pleaser, if I do say so myself.

[00:05:38] Okay.

[00:05:39] Jake was all over the place.

[00:05:41] Everybody wanted a piece of Jake.

[00:05:43] Yeah.

[00:05:44] Boston was absolutely amazing.

[00:05:46] So much fun.

[00:05:48] It was cold as I don't know what in Boston, but we had an amazing time.

[00:05:54] We had some, the mole winner.

[00:05:56] We had some real world MTV.

[00:05:58] We had the squid games.

[00:06:00] We had Survivor Quebec.

[00:06:01] We had Survivor, Big Brother.

[00:06:05] Who?

[00:06:06] Amazing Race was in the building.

[00:06:08] Oh, Amazing Race.

[00:06:08] Amazing Race.

[00:06:09] Yeah.

[00:06:09] Oh, Mary and Chris.

[00:06:11] Yeah.

[00:06:11] Boston definitely did not disappoint.

[00:06:13] We had a time in Boston.

[00:06:17] It was great.

[00:06:18] It was so much fun.

[00:06:19] We had the group with the games.

[00:06:23] What's the name of their company?

[00:06:24] They brought a bunch of Survivor games and we were actually, we were competing in like

[00:06:29] life-size Survivor games at our event.

[00:06:32] So it was dope.

[00:06:33] I think it's underground.

[00:06:34] We will get the proper name and give them the right shout out.

[00:06:38] I got to look her up.

[00:06:38] Like she, I follow her on Instagram.

[00:06:40] We'll say that name, but she, she does events like around the city every once in a while

[00:06:44] and people can like rent her stuff for bodies.

[00:06:46] And like, she's got a bunch of those classic Survivor challenges that, you know, I get out there,

[00:06:51] you know?

[00:06:52] So it's cool.

[00:06:52] It's cool to revisit them.

[00:06:54] Yeah.

[00:06:56] Their Instagram account is Boston Underground Games.

[00:06:59] And they, they bring legit games to you.

[00:07:04] So if you're in that area.

[00:07:06] Yeah.

[00:07:07] Like, I mean, they had the snake puzzle.

[00:07:09] It's like, you know, eight feet tall and they were really maneuvering it, the ball all

[00:07:14] the way up.

[00:07:14] Yeah.

[00:07:15] It was legit.

[00:07:17] It was crazy.

[00:07:18] They had the immunity challenge where you had to spell immunity and rope it back.

[00:07:21] I was doing good until I realized I ain't spell immunity right.

[00:07:25] But I mean.

[00:07:29] You could have predicted that one, Bryce.

[00:07:31] They also had the, the, the, the Michelle Fitzgerald tower that she kicked over after

[00:07:37] she did it.

[00:07:38] Yeah.

[00:07:39] They had some good ones.

[00:07:42] So thank you.

[00:07:44] Boston Underground Games.

[00:07:45] Thank y'all so much for coming.

[00:07:47] Absolutely.

[00:07:47] Jack.

[00:07:48] The posse was in the building that the posse wanted me to relay a message to you.

[00:07:52] Uh, two things.

[00:07:53] One person said they wanted to know, did you make the biscuits from scratch or were they

[00:07:58] out of a can?

[00:08:00] They're out of a can.

[00:08:02] Okay.

[00:08:02] I don't think I even hid that last week.

[00:08:05] We saw that.

[00:08:06] And, uh, a posse member named, uh, Peyton said she don't know who is yelling at us, but

[00:08:12] they love the beginning of us just talking ish, uh, before we warm up into Survivor.

[00:08:17] So I just had to report that.

[00:08:19] But, and Jack, where are you?

[00:08:22] I'm in Orlando, Florida.

[00:08:24] What's going on?

[00:08:25] I'm at the over the edge, uh, reality charity event, raising money for a good cause.

[00:08:32] A bunch of other reality stars out here.

[00:08:34] Uh, it's an event.

[00:08:36] I've been to a lot and it's a little bit different this year, but it's been fun so far.

[00:08:39] I got some great roommates.

[00:08:40] I'm with Xander and I'm with Joseph Abdon from Pittsburgh.

[00:08:44] Do they need a third roommate?

[00:08:47] I'm a third roommate, but I don't know.

[00:08:49] Maybe you can be the fourth.

[00:08:52] Um, yeah, just except we had a fun night last night and, uh, excited to see after this podcast

[00:08:58] where, where the day takes me, but, um, we're doing all right.

[00:09:01] Beautiful Orlando, Florida.

[00:09:02] So.

[00:09:03] Yeah.

[00:09:04] Jake, we haven't talked to you in a while.

[00:09:06] What's going on with you before we dive into the episode?

[00:09:09] Uh, Boston's cold right now.

[00:09:10] I just kind of started out the thing and it's that that's miserable, but I'm not, I'm not

[00:09:14] in grandma's house anymore.

[00:09:15] So that's, that's pretty cool.

[00:09:17] You left the attic.

[00:09:19] It's I left the attic.

[00:09:20] I got, you know, not a twin size bed.

[00:09:22] So that's cool.

[00:09:23] But like, I still got my little pink lamp back there to remember the aesthetic, you know,

[00:09:29] never forget.

[00:09:30] You can never forget where you came from.

[00:09:31] The upgrade.

[00:09:32] Wow.

[00:09:33] Or right on upgraded.

[00:09:35] We have an episode to get into.

[00:09:38] And before we started off, I just, I mean, I don't know if I'm going out on a limb,

[00:09:43] but I really feel like this was the best episode of the season.

[00:09:48] Yeah.

[00:09:48] For sure.

[00:09:49] Yeah.

[00:09:49] Yeah.

[00:09:51] This is a top, this is a top tier episode for the era.

[00:09:55] Top tier.

[00:09:56] Yeah.

[00:09:57] I, I agree.

[00:09:58] Um, hold on.

[00:10:02] What was that?

[00:10:06] Did y'all hear that?

[00:10:08] Is that an alien?

[00:10:10] No.

[00:10:12] Who's at the door, Bryce?

[00:10:14] Is somebody at the door?

[00:10:16] Oh, oh, oh.

[00:10:20] Whoa.

[00:10:22] Look who's in the game.

[00:10:24] Big move.

[00:10:25] Genevieve.

[00:10:26] Jackery.

[00:10:27] Oh, hold on.

[00:10:30] I'm still, I'm still staying on my.

[00:10:32] I'm sorry.

[00:10:33] I took a lot of heat.

[00:10:34] You know, I was told that, you know,

[00:10:37] you're not supposed to play the game.

[00:10:39] You're not supposed to make moves.

[00:10:41] You're not supposed to target people that wanted you out the game.

[00:10:44] However,

[00:10:47] she did it.

[00:10:48] And she made one of the biggest moves in the new era the next week.

[00:10:52] Now, will she go on to win the game?

[00:10:56] We do not know.

[00:10:57] But how you play the game is you play to win the game.

[00:11:02] Oh,

[00:11:03] the way your parents may be different for everybody.

[00:11:05] But Genevieve is playing to win the game.

[00:11:08] And she's not making big moves just to make them.

[00:11:11] She's making big moves to put her in a situation where she gets to the end.

[00:11:15] There will be no doubt.

[00:11:17] Because if she makes it to the end,

[00:11:18] wouldn't you give her that million dollars?

[00:11:21] Jackery?

[00:11:23] Hold on a second.

[00:11:26] Hold on.

[00:11:27] Okay.

[00:11:28] I can respect his thing, James.

[00:11:31] My whole argument was that when we discussed the,

[00:11:34] Jake,

[00:11:35] this dates back to Genevieve targeting Saul,

[00:11:37] which I said in the moment was a bad move.

[00:11:40] But I also said she's a good enough player that she could still recover and

[00:11:43] navigate and potentially get to the end and win.

[00:11:45] And I think all of those things that I said still hold true where we saw in

[00:11:50] the weeks following the Saul boot,

[00:11:52] Genevieve was in a really bad position that she probably wouldn't have been in

[00:11:55] had she not made that move.

[00:11:57] But like we said,

[00:11:58] she's a good enough player where she's been able to recover and is now back in

[00:12:02] a potentially good spot.

[00:12:03] I also think she's still got a big enough target that she's,

[00:12:07] you know,

[00:12:08] I think she's a dark horse to win,

[00:12:09] but I don't think her odds are looking great necessarily.

[00:12:12] So James,

[00:12:13] I agree with you on,

[00:12:15] on like the Genevieve,

[00:12:16] the quality of Genevieve's gameplay,

[00:12:18] but I maintain that her getting rid of Saul put her game in a whirlwind that it

[00:12:22] didn't need to be in.

[00:12:23] So I'm going to stay on my ground,

[00:12:25] James.

[00:12:27] Now,

[00:12:27] I mean that now we can debate the Saul boot.

[00:12:30] I personally think when someone puts your name down,

[00:12:33] on parchment,

[00:12:34] you have to remember that because they wanted you out of the game.

[00:12:38] I don't think Saul voted for Genevieve.

[00:12:40] Did he,

[00:12:40] didn't he vote for,

[00:12:43] like he voted for.

[00:12:47] Genevieve.

[00:12:48] All right.

[00:12:48] I think this is the one thing in Jake back me up.

[00:12:51] Maybe back me up.

[00:12:52] I think sometimes we're like,

[00:12:54] you know,

[00:12:54] someone's down on your side.

[00:12:55] They are not you.

[00:12:57] Right.

[00:12:58] So at the end of the day,

[00:12:59] whether it's kind of like if they're doing a split vote,

[00:13:01] it's someone's like,

[00:13:02] Oh,

[00:13:02] I didn't put your name down.

[00:13:04] Well,

[00:13:04] you were going to put the votes on me to send me home.

[00:13:06] Like this is like,

[00:13:07] you,

[00:13:08] you have to understand.

[00:13:09] Saul wanted Genevieve out that first vote.

[00:13:11] They were going to,

[00:13:12] she wanted him out.

[00:13:13] She went,

[00:13:13] he went out.

[00:13:14] She,

[00:13:15] she made the move.

[00:13:16] And what I was like to say,

[00:13:18] Jack,

[00:13:18] I'm joking with you though,

[00:13:19] but your mind is really sharp for the game.

[00:13:20] I would just say this though.

[00:13:21] I think the one thing about this and I'm going to get off after this is that

[00:13:24] it's hard to make votes out there.

[00:13:26] It's hard to create those votes out there.

[00:13:28] And I think this episode just kind of showed how hard it is to create a

[00:13:32] vote where you had a secure four.

[00:13:34] You know,

[00:13:35] one thing goes wrong and everything goes poof.

[00:13:39] And some game,

[00:13:41] great episode.

[00:13:42] Jake,

[00:13:43] my guy.

[00:13:44] What's up,

[00:13:44] James?

[00:13:45] I came in firing.

[00:13:46] I was excited to hop on and talk to you guys.

[00:13:48] I'll be,

[00:13:49] I'll shut it down a little bit now.

[00:13:52] Hey,

[00:13:53] I respect it.

[00:13:53] Cause I,

[00:13:54] you know,

[00:13:54] I talked my ish.

[00:13:55] So the more Genevieve recovers,

[00:13:58] it's a good look for you.

[00:13:59] So I can respect you getting in here and defending yourself.

[00:14:02] Cause I wasn't trying to fire shots and not have them come back my way.

[00:14:05] If they're warranted.

[00:14:06] So,

[00:14:08] so the position is defending the solve where we're on opposite sides of the

[00:14:12] solve out from what I understand.

[00:14:13] Yes.

[00:14:14] Yep.

[00:14:15] Yeah.

[00:14:16] I don't know.

[00:14:16] See,

[00:14:16] I agree that like you always got to keep one eye on someone if they've

[00:14:20] written your name down,

[00:14:21] but like where there's such a lot,

[00:14:23] I don't know if I agree with the solve vote.

[00:14:25] Obviously Genevieve is doing great and everyone's got a commend her for the

[00:14:28] mastery of that move the other day.

[00:14:31] But I,

[00:14:32] I feel like Jen,

[00:14:34] one of Genevieve's problems is she's beaten herself up a lot.

[00:14:38] I think she's worried.

[00:14:39] And like,

[00:14:39] it's been beautiful to watch her and confess.

[00:14:41] I'll be like,

[00:14:41] I'm keeping people's at length because I can't,

[00:14:46] deal with that.

[00:14:47] And I,

[00:14:48] I would never seen it expressed.

[00:14:50] So,

[00:14:51] uh,

[00:14:53] expressed so eloquently is when Genevieve is talking about that and vote

[00:14:56] people out.

[00:14:56] Um,

[00:14:58] but I do,

[00:14:58] I do think that she has the ability to make these really good

[00:15:02] relationships and make people feel comfortable.

[00:15:03] I don't think there would have been a toss up the past couple of weeks

[00:15:06] with her in it.

[00:15:08] Like,

[00:15:08] I think she would be in final six.

[00:15:10] No problem.

[00:15:11] Like she would have a much easier time to the final six,

[00:15:13] have this all move not happened.

[00:15:14] Cause I feel like people are going to go at people.

[00:15:16] We're always going to go after Gabe and Kyle.

[00:15:18] And then potentially people are going to go after Saul before her.

[00:15:20] She had the better social game,

[00:15:22] which we've kind of seen to be true.

[00:15:24] I don't know if I agree with the small vote.

[00:15:26] I'm really interested for,

[00:15:27] uh,

[00:15:28] Genevieve's exit interviews.

[00:15:29] Whenever that happens.

[00:15:31] I mean,

[00:15:32] it's really interesting.

[00:15:33] I agree with what you're saying.

[00:15:34] Yes.

[00:15:35] He,

[00:15:35] he wrote your name down on what was that?

[00:15:37] The third travel at the Asia vote,

[00:15:40] but it's been a long time.

[00:15:41] And there's a lot of,

[00:15:42] a lot of new people who haven't even had the opportunity to write your name down.

[00:15:46] I just have a couple of questions between Tina and Saul.

[00:15:49] Where did Genevieve rank?

[00:15:51] Between Tina and Saul?

[00:15:53] Yes.

[00:15:55] So at the same time,

[00:15:56] you know,

[00:15:57] you're at the bottom of the,

[00:15:59] of these two people.

[00:16:01] I was going to say a wise man.

[00:16:04] I understand with those three people,

[00:16:06] she's at the bottom,

[00:16:07] but if I'm on the outside looking in,

[00:16:09] like you're going to go after the head,

[00:16:10] you're going to go after Tina or Saul because,

[00:16:12] Oh,

[00:16:13] I got a better relationship with Genevieve.

[00:16:14] You're not viewing her.

[00:16:15] Like,

[00:16:16] look,

[00:16:16] she's done great and she's gotten to where she is.

[00:16:18] But I think defensively for the past three weeks,

[00:16:20] she's been more of a target than she's had to be.

[00:16:24] And I agree.

[00:16:25] And I agree,

[00:16:27] but I don't think taking out Saul was the wrong move.

[00:16:30] I think afterwards targeting Gabe was the kind of miscalculation in the game.

[00:16:35] There were,

[00:16:36] if those,

[00:16:36] if she got with the two coos,

[00:16:38] those five people,

[00:16:39] you have a,

[00:16:40] you have a majority going in and then you still have the bigger targets in front of you.

[00:16:43] That's where I feel like the slip up was in the kind of the strategy for Genevieve.

[00:16:47] However,

[00:16:48] she recovered beautifully and,

[00:16:50] you know,

[00:16:50] everybody's defined their path forward to the end and everybody's path forward to the end is different.

[00:16:55] Each season as the season goes on.

[00:16:58] And let's kudos to Andy.

[00:16:59] Kudos to Sam for these moves.

[00:17:01] And I'll let you get back to it.

[00:17:03] You know,

[00:17:03] I just came in to say,

[00:17:05] you know,

[00:17:05] love to buy.

[00:17:06] Keep doing your thing.

[00:17:07] Jake,

[00:17:08] good to see you.

[00:17:08] Looking good over there.

[00:17:11] Bryce in the full studio.

[00:17:13] Love to see it.

[00:17:14] Jackery,

[00:17:14] I feel like we got to get your background game together.

[00:17:17] I'm at a hotel.

[00:17:18] I'm at a hotel.

[00:17:20] Cool beans.

[00:17:21] Love you guys.

[00:17:22] Anything else?

[00:17:22] Pop it on.

[00:17:23] Is he leading us?

[00:17:25] He is leaving us.

[00:17:26] He just wanted to pop on to pop off at Jack.

[00:17:29] He came in hot too.

[00:17:31] He came in very hot.

[00:17:32] I wanted to come to slide like a Stephen A. Smith when he comes to the Cowboys room.

[00:17:36] That's what I was aiming for,

[00:17:37] but I don't know if it translated really well.

[00:17:41] But yeah,

[00:17:42] thanks for letting me come in.

[00:17:43] Sorry for hijacking.

[00:17:44] You know,

[00:17:44] I feel like,

[00:17:45] you know,

[00:17:45] I hijacked a little bit,

[00:17:46] but I was,

[00:17:47] you know,

[00:17:47] excited and hyped about this episode.

[00:17:49] Yeah.

[00:17:49] Survivor is exciting.

[00:17:51] Excited.

[00:17:52] Good to see you,

[00:17:53] James.

[00:17:54] We'll see you soon.

[00:17:56] Thanks,

[00:17:56] James.

[00:17:57] Good to see you,

[00:17:57] man.

[00:17:58] You know what this vote reminded me of?

[00:18:00] What?

[00:18:00] I got to say,

[00:18:01] this vote reminded me of,

[00:18:02] and like,

[00:18:02] I saw it,

[00:18:03] and I don't think I've seen other people talk about it.

[00:18:04] I don't think we've seen a as impressive group of people being on the bottom,

[00:18:09] pull something off like that since the mayor's Clam Town boot in David vs.

[00:18:14] Goliath.

[00:18:15] Wow.

[00:18:15] The split minority vote there.

[00:18:16] Like,

[00:18:17] I think this is one of the most impressive underdog moves that we've seen in a while.

[00:18:21] Yeah.

[00:18:22] It's definitely,

[00:18:23] definitely game changing.

[00:18:25] Last episode or last recap that we talked about,

[00:18:28] I was hoping that something like this would happen so that it wasn't the underdog,

[00:18:33] big dog majority,

[00:18:35] just kind of like steamroll off of everything.

[00:18:38] But there is so much to get into this episode because I feel like,

[00:18:42] I don't know,

[00:18:43] Jack,

[00:18:44] where we want to go?

[00:18:45] What you trying to do?

[00:18:46] Because I got a lot to say this episode.

[00:18:47] Yeah,

[00:18:48] I don't even,

[00:18:48] I'm pretty down to start wherever.

[00:18:50] The one thing I wanted to say,

[00:18:51] Bryce,

[00:18:51] is we've had this ongoing debate about,

[00:18:54] don't text me on a Wednesday.

[00:18:56] Oh yeah.

[00:18:57] Hey,

[00:18:57] hey.

[00:18:58] And you have,

[00:19:00] I think you corrected it.

[00:19:02] It's not an issue anymore.

[00:19:04] What I wanted to say is,

[00:19:05] to my whole point of like a mild spoiler was,

[00:19:09] you know,

[00:19:09] I saw,

[00:19:10] I'm not on Twitter,

[00:19:11] but I think I saw like a screenshot of a Gordon Holmes tweet.

[00:19:15] That was like before it was like morning of the episode.

[00:19:18] Like this,

[00:19:19] this is the best episode of the new era.

[00:19:21] And to me,

[00:19:22] that's exactly kind of what I referenced when I tell you like,

[00:19:25] don't text me on a Wednesday.

[00:19:26] Why you look at the tweet?

[00:19:27] I didn't,

[00:19:28] I didn't mean to look at it,

[00:19:29] but it was out there like the morning of.

[00:19:30] And so you see a tweet like that.

[00:19:32] It's like watching the episode.

[00:19:34] I know it's not going to be everyone votes for Sam.

[00:19:37] You know,

[00:19:37] you kind of know that the crazy plan is going to work.

[00:19:40] And so that's what I mean when someone's like,

[00:19:41] Oh,

[00:19:41] this episode is crazy.

[00:19:43] It sets this expectation and this precedent that,

[00:19:45] that something crazy is going to happen.

[00:19:47] So it's like less payoff when it does happen.

[00:19:50] So obviously that's not you.

[00:19:52] That's at Gordon Holmes.

[00:19:54] Oh,

[00:19:54] okay.

[00:19:55] That behavior,

[00:19:55] bro.

[00:19:56] But,

[00:19:56] um,

[00:19:57] that's kind of what I mean with,

[00:19:58] with that.

[00:19:59] Like,

[00:19:59] I don't want to hear anything about that.

[00:20:01] Well,

[00:20:02] I mean,

[00:20:02] you broke your own rule,

[00:20:04] Jake.

[00:20:04] So can you ask,

[00:20:05] help settle this beef real quick?

[00:20:07] If you know,

[00:20:08] I text you often.

[00:20:10] And if I say,

[00:20:10] Hey Jake,

[00:20:11] how you doing today?

[00:20:12] And I say,

[00:20:12] Oh,

[00:20:13] it was a good episode last night.

[00:20:16] Is that a spoiler?

[00:20:19] I don't think that's a spoiler,

[00:20:21] right?

[00:20:21] Like,

[00:20:21] I don't think that's a spoiler.

[00:20:22] Like,

[00:20:23] cause I mean,

[00:20:23] you could have said last,

[00:20:24] like,

[00:20:25] I think last week,

[00:20:27] right?

[00:20:27] The Kyle boot,

[00:20:27] that was probably the most boring episode of the season.

[00:20:30] In my opinion.

[00:20:31] Yeah.

[00:20:31] Just like,

[00:20:31] I just like,

[00:20:32] it was expected,

[00:20:33] right?

[00:20:33] Like there was no,

[00:20:34] I felt like there was no shocker intrigue there.

[00:20:36] Not that people didn't have great moments on the episode.

[00:20:38] I love Kyle.

[00:20:39] Like it felt so true to his character,

[00:20:41] hugging everyone when he was walking out.

[00:20:42] Right.

[00:20:43] But I would still say that's a good episode,

[00:20:45] even though I would definitively say,

[00:20:47] I think that was the worst episode of the season.

[00:20:49] Just cause like,

[00:20:49] it's bad.

[00:20:50] It's good.

[00:20:50] So I was like,

[00:20:51] how was the last episode?

[00:20:52] I'm just going to say,

[00:20:52] Oh yeah,

[00:20:53] it was good.

[00:20:54] I don't think that's a spoiler.

[00:20:55] Like,

[00:20:55] I think that's something you said.

[00:20:57] Say I'm on like Eastern time and you're on Pacific time.

[00:21:01] And I watch on Eastern time.

[00:21:02] And then I text you like,

[00:21:03] yo,

[00:21:04] this episode was crazy.

[00:21:05] And then you go to watch it and you would kind of have that in your mind.

[00:21:08] It's not a spoiler per se,

[00:21:09] but it's,

[00:21:10] you'd rather not know that is all I'm saying.

[00:21:13] It's instead of being a spoiler,

[00:21:15] it's a sour earth because right now you're about to watch the episode.

[00:21:19] And now as you watch it,

[00:21:21] you understand,

[00:21:22] Oh,

[00:21:22] my man just said it's a crazy episode.

[00:21:24] I'm watching crazy plans unfold.

[00:21:26] All right.

[00:21:27] Something crazy is going to happen.

[00:21:29] Exactly.

[00:21:29] Exactly.

[00:21:30] That's right.

[00:21:31] You didn't,

[00:21:32] I know,

[00:21:32] I know.

[00:21:33] I'm just explaining to Jake.

[00:21:35] So at this point,

[00:21:36] Jake,

[00:21:36] I don't communicate with Jack on Wednesdays anymore.

[00:21:39] Just for that reason.

[00:21:41] However,

[00:21:41] when you said that you were coming on the pod,

[00:21:44] I did text Jack and say,

[00:21:46] Hey,

[00:21:46] Jake's coming.

[00:21:47] Jack was like,

[00:21:48] great.

[00:21:48] Then I apologize for texting him on a Wednesday.

[00:21:50] And do you know what he,

[00:21:52] so you get the whole beef,

[00:21:54] right?

[00:21:54] And then,

[00:21:55] you know what he proceeds to text me.

[00:21:57] He said,

[00:21:59] I did hear from sources that tonight's episode is insane.

[00:22:04] Not Jack breaking his own rule and spoiling an episode.

[00:22:09] I could be wrong.

[00:22:10] Didn't I text that after you had already seen episode?

[00:22:13] No,

[00:22:13] you text that to me at 9 PM Eastern standard time in the middle of the episode.

[00:22:18] So now my expectations for the episode.

[00:22:20] Now I feel,

[00:22:21] I'm feeling spoiled.

[00:22:22] You know what?

[00:22:24] Fair enough.

[00:22:25] Fair enough.

[00:22:25] Honestly.

[00:22:26] Um,

[00:22:28] yeah.

[00:22:28] I mean,

[00:22:28] you guys were made towards the end of the episode,

[00:22:30] but that's,

[00:22:31] that's fair.

[00:22:31] I shouldn't have texted that.

[00:22:33] And,

[00:22:33] um,

[00:22:34] yeah.

[00:22:35] Thank you.

[00:22:37] Obviously you're sort of,

[00:22:38] but you were allowed to text me on a Wednesday.

[00:22:40] Just not.

[00:22:42] I don't text you.

[00:22:44] If you have like an emergency,

[00:22:45] you're like,

[00:22:45] I need Jack's help,

[00:22:46] but I can't text him on a Wednesday.

[00:22:50] Jack's going to text Bryce on a Wednesday and discover that he's blocked on Wednesday.

[00:22:58] Um,

[00:22:58] but with that being said,

[00:22:59] it was a great episode.

[00:23:01] Um,

[00:23:03] you know,

[00:23:03] unreal plan unfolded.

[00:23:05] Like Jake said,

[00:23:06] what some of the best play from the bottom that we've seen,

[00:23:08] um,

[00:23:10] kind of confused how it worked.

[00:23:13] Like there was so many fat like factors that could have deterred it from succeeding,

[00:23:17] but somehow it came together.

[00:23:19] I think that a huge thing is,

[00:23:21] I think if Rachel hadn't won immunity,

[00:23:23] this plan probably doesn't shake out because for Rachel,

[00:23:27] I don't think this is a bad episode for her.

[00:23:29] Cause I don't think she really cares that much who goes home here because now she has

[00:23:34] her pretty cut and dry final three with Sue and teeny,

[00:23:38] which she dominate.

[00:23:39] And she also has an idol and a block of vote.

[00:23:42] So at final six,

[00:23:43] like as long as she plays her cards,

[00:23:45] right.

[00:23:45] Should be pretty smooth sailing.

[00:23:47] So it doesn't make sense for her to blow any of those advantages at a,

[00:23:50] at a shot at a tribal where she can't go home in my opinion,

[00:23:52] but there's so many layers to this.

[00:23:54] I just want to hear where you guys like what sticks out to you guys.

[00:23:57] I got a question,

[00:23:58] Jeff.

[00:23:58] You said,

[00:23:59] um,

[00:24:00] it only works if Rachel wins immunity.

[00:24:02] Wasn't there a plan that if she didn't win,

[00:24:04] they would go for her in with the same plan.

[00:24:07] Now,

[00:24:08] are you saying that you would have thought that she would have used one of

[00:24:11] her tools at that point?

[00:24:13] Yeah.

[00:24:14] Yeah.

[00:24:14] Okay.

[00:24:15] And I think she,

[00:24:16] you know,

[00:24:16] she would have been on a little higher alert.

[00:24:18] I think she'd be the one to maybe catch on.

[00:24:20] Um,

[00:24:21] who knows though?

[00:24:22] Who knows?

[00:24:22] But,

[00:24:23] um,

[00:24:25] I think her winning made it easier.

[00:24:27] Also,

[00:24:27] you think about if Genevieve or Sam had one immunity,

[00:24:31] then there's no ability to split anymore.

[00:24:34] And the plan's kind of ruined.

[00:24:35] So,

[00:24:35] um,

[00:24:36] I think there's a chance both of them intentionally did not win immunity to

[00:24:39] allow the plan to have some ability to work.

[00:24:42] You think,

[00:24:43] wait a minute,

[00:24:44] wait a minute,

[00:24:44] wait a minute.

[00:24:47] I don't think that's the,

[00:24:48] I don't think that's the truth.

[00:24:50] I think being that with,

[00:24:53] Oh yeah,

[00:24:53] no,

[00:24:54] they're not.

[00:24:54] Yeah.

[00:24:55] But also,

[00:24:56] nah,

[00:24:57] nah,

[00:24:57] they,

[00:24:57] they're not trying,

[00:24:59] they're not going to purposely not win that.

[00:25:01] That,

[00:25:01] that's a difficult challenge.

[00:25:03] And you are the two at the very,

[00:25:05] very,

[00:25:06] very,

[00:25:06] very bottom.

[00:25:07] And the two with a lot of eyes on you,

[00:25:09] you're still trying to win it.

[00:25:11] Yeah.

[00:25:13] Yeah.

[00:25:13] They're not going to lose that taste off of this.

[00:25:16] It's cut and dry.

[00:25:17] It seems though,

[00:25:18] it's like,

[00:25:18] well,

[00:25:18] if you win this one,

[00:25:20] then in the other one goes home,

[00:25:21] then you pretty much have to win out.

[00:25:25] Well,

[00:25:25] yes,

[00:25:26] but I,

[00:25:26] I cannot.

[00:25:27] I mean,

[00:25:28] I think I heard Sam say like,

[00:25:29] it only works because we both lost,

[00:25:30] but I don't think there is any world where Sam and Genevieve,

[00:25:35] two very strong players are like,

[00:25:36] you know what?

[00:25:38] Andy made a plan.

[00:25:39] And so we will lose,

[00:25:41] we will purposely lose immunity today for it.

[00:25:43] Now.

[00:25:44] I just think that,

[00:25:44] I think Rachel's that good.

[00:25:45] I think she was that good and won it.

[00:25:47] Yeah.

[00:25:48] I think like throwing a challenge,

[00:25:50] like throwing a challenge is so much easier.

[00:25:52] Easier said than done.

[00:25:54] Because like when you're there and like,

[00:25:55] you know,

[00:25:56] you,

[00:25:57] you feel like the pressure on it's like,

[00:25:59] even if you,

[00:25:59] you like what you're saying,

[00:26:00] it would probably be smart of them to both throw this in a certain sense.

[00:26:04] Right.

[00:26:05] But to be there and make the active decision that I'm gonna.

[00:26:10] Like,

[00:26:11] I know like the only,

[00:26:12] like there wasn't a throw in my season,

[00:26:14] but I remember like drew and Austin at the Brandon,

[00:26:16] Brandon vote was like,

[00:26:17] I don't care if we win,

[00:26:19] but like that.

[00:26:21] To make the active decision is like,

[00:26:23] I'm going to stand back.

[00:26:25] This one,

[00:26:25] especially when like,

[00:26:27] do you want to look back and be like,

[00:26:28] I could have.

[00:26:29] Right.

[00:26:30] Put my all into that.

[00:26:31] Like I would have a really tough time,

[00:26:34] like being in the moment and thinking about living with that guilt.

[00:26:36] But I do agree that like.

[00:26:37] Totally.

[00:26:38] Yeah.

[00:26:38] They,

[00:26:38] one of them went immunity.

[00:26:40] One of them's gone home.

[00:26:41] Yeah.

[00:26:41] That was less to say that.

[00:26:42] I think they threw it.

[00:26:44] And more just that if one of them wins,

[00:26:46] maybe the plan doesn't work out.

[00:26:48] So it could be in the back of the mountain.

[00:26:51] We also have,

[00:26:51] I mean,

[00:26:52] Sue has her idol.

[00:26:53] She's thinking about playing it.

[00:26:55] Does anyone know.

[00:26:57] Idol other than Caroline.

[00:26:59] No.

[00:27:01] I don't think so.

[00:27:02] And I,

[00:27:02] sometimes I wonder if Sue remember that she.

[00:27:06] She.

[00:27:08] Yeah.

[00:27:09] But let,

[00:27:09] can we talk about.

[00:27:11] Sam.

[00:27:12] And teeny real quick.

[00:27:14] Right.

[00:27:14] Because.

[00:27:15] And let's add Genevieve into it.

[00:27:18] Right.

[00:27:18] Because teeny.

[00:27:20] This episode.

[00:27:21] Very emotional.

[00:27:23] Right.

[00:27:26] But it's interesting.

[00:27:28] Right.

[00:27:28] Because.

[00:27:29] Can relate.

[00:27:30] You know,

[00:27:30] in similar situations.

[00:27:32] But earlier in the episode,

[00:27:33] we see teeny and Genevieve talking.

[00:27:35] And I think that this is important to keep in mind.

[00:27:37] Because at this point,

[00:27:38] Sam and Genevieve,

[00:27:39] they,

[00:27:40] they,

[00:27:41] they stuck together.

[00:27:41] Glue.

[00:27:42] Like we at the bottom.

[00:27:43] We got to figure something out.

[00:27:45] Genevieve.

[00:27:45] Also,

[00:27:46] she scares me because Genevieve's like,

[00:27:47] you know,

[00:27:48] dog with the tail between her head.

[00:27:50] And she is.

[00:27:53] Piling it on.

[00:27:54] Telling everybody.

[00:27:54] Listen,

[00:27:55] I'm sorry.

[00:27:55] I,

[00:27:56] you know,

[00:27:56] I'm at the bottom.

[00:27:57] I'm stuck.

[00:27:58] Then we get a confessional from her saying,

[00:27:59] like,

[00:28:00] listen,

[00:28:00] if I need to be a sad puppy right now,

[00:28:03] that's what I'm going to do.

[00:28:04] I'm like,

[00:28:04] damn,

[00:28:05] Genevieve.

[00:28:05] Like,

[00:28:06] I don't know.

[00:28:07] I don't know if I could trust Genevieve.

[00:28:08] I never know.

[00:28:09] Anyway,

[00:28:10] her and teeny are talking and they kind of get into this fight a little bit where

[00:28:14] Genevieve's like,

[00:28:15] I forget the essence of it,

[00:28:17] but essentially like,

[00:28:18] you think you're going against Rachel?

[00:28:20] Like you asking me,

[00:28:21] I'm telling you.

[00:28:22] And teeny gets upset at that.

[00:28:23] However,

[00:28:24] that conversation for me reveals a lot,

[00:28:26] right?

[00:28:26] Like it reveals that like,

[00:28:27] okay,

[00:28:28] well you're getting mad at me.

[00:28:29] We still not working together.

[00:28:32] So that's one,

[00:28:33] two,

[00:28:34] Sam wins.

[00:28:35] Sam picks Genevieve and he picks,

[00:28:37] uh,

[00:28:38] Andy.

[00:28:40] Teeny is pissed,

[00:28:42] right?

[00:28:42] Like rightfully so.

[00:28:43] It's the loved one's letter.

[00:28:45] Uh,

[00:28:45] and teeny is pissed.

[00:28:46] But in my opinion,

[00:28:47] I'm like,

[00:28:48] Teeny,

[00:28:48] you had that conversation with Genevieve,

[00:28:51] right?

[00:28:51] Like you're not working with her.

[00:28:54] So why would they,

[00:28:55] they won't explore their options.

[00:28:57] Right.

[00:28:58] Uh,

[00:28:59] so what's going on here now?

[00:29:01] Sam had me cracking up because Andy fell for the okie doke.

[00:29:05] Sam kept saying like,

[00:29:06] I'm a man.

[00:29:07] I'm a word.

[00:29:08] I'm going to keep my word.

[00:29:08] I was thinking about this at the beginning of the challenge.

[00:29:11] I'm taking Andy bro.

[00:29:13] You ain't know you was going to win the challenge.

[00:29:14] You ain't want to challenge all season.

[00:29:18] So it's very clear.

[00:29:19] He's wooing Andy over and mind you,

[00:29:22] Andy,

[00:29:22] like me fell for.

[00:29:23] Okay.

[00:29:25] You get that text at one 32 AM.

[00:29:28] You up.

[00:29:31] Hey,

[00:29:32] Jackie.

[00:29:34] Uh,

[00:29:34] and so that just was interesting,

[00:29:36] but I also have to say when Teeny was doing her impression of saying it,

[00:29:41] low key was kind of funny though,

[00:29:43] but I really feel like a teeny losing her cool.

[00:29:47] It's like,

[00:29:48] Oh,

[00:29:48] hard.

[00:29:49] That's going to be a hard to recover from working with everyone else.

[00:29:54] Yeah.

[00:29:55] Yeah.

[00:29:55] That's tough.

[00:29:56] And I feel,

[00:29:56] I feel for,

[00:29:57] I feel for them.

[00:29:58] Right.

[00:29:58] Because like,

[00:29:59] especially like with Teeny,

[00:30:00] like seeing them talk about certain situations,

[00:30:03] like in the game,

[00:30:04] like I felt like I,

[00:30:05] when I was playing,

[00:30:06] like I got the rug pulled out for me a couple of times,

[00:30:09] you know,

[00:30:09] you're made to feel stupid,

[00:30:11] you know,

[00:30:11] not,

[00:30:11] not that anyone's doing it intentionally.

[00:30:13] Right.

[00:30:14] But when you're blindside,

[00:30:14] it's like,

[00:30:15] damn,

[00:30:15] how did I not see that?

[00:30:17] You know?

[00:30:17] And that's happened to Teeny a few times.

[00:30:19] And like,

[00:30:19] I understand Genevieve has done that a few times to her,

[00:30:22] like for Genevieve's game,

[00:30:23] nothing,

[00:30:24] you know,

[00:30:24] personal,

[00:30:25] but if you do feel dumb,

[00:30:26] you know,

[00:30:26] it makes it,

[00:30:27] it,

[00:30:28] I think,

[00:30:29] and Teeny's probably feeling this to a certain extent.

[00:30:30] Like when things were happening like that to me,

[00:30:32] I'm like,

[00:30:33] shit,

[00:30:34] it's bringing you back to high school being like,

[00:30:35] ah,

[00:30:35] yeah,

[00:30:36] you're stupid or whatever.

[00:30:37] And so like that anger,

[00:30:39] like I completely get that.

[00:30:40] Like Drew and I got in a fight.

[00:30:41] Cause I'm like,

[00:30:41] dude,

[00:30:41] I'm not gonna feel fucking,

[00:30:42] I'm not going to feel stupid about this.

[00:30:44] Like get away from me.

[00:30:45] You know what I mean?

[00:30:46] And it's not that I don't love Drew.

[00:30:47] Like Drew's a great guy and he's a good friend,

[00:30:49] but I understand.

[00:30:51] I understand where Teeny's coming from in that,

[00:30:53] you know,

[00:30:54] because in a certain sense to get to the end of survivor and then win,

[00:30:58] someone has to say,

[00:30:59] this person dominated these other two people who are sitting there next to

[00:31:02] them.

[00:31:03] Right.

[00:31:03] And when you feel that slipping away from you,

[00:31:07] that that's inferior,

[00:31:08] that's infuriating,

[00:31:09] you know,

[00:31:10] that's going to bring up,

[00:31:11] that's going to bring up some certain emotions.

[00:31:12] And I appreciate how raw Teeny is,

[00:31:14] but yeah,

[00:31:14] that is going to be a difficult recovery because it's easy to,

[00:31:17] you know,

[00:31:17] someone gets mad or upset.

[00:31:19] It's easy to be like,

[00:31:20] oh,

[00:31:20] they're angry.

[00:31:20] They're losing their minds,

[00:31:21] you know?

[00:31:22] Right.

[00:31:23] And I also feel like we know this Andy move that happens.

[00:31:28] And it's a huge move,

[00:31:30] right?

[00:31:30] Like,

[00:31:30] you know,

[00:31:31] who would just want to go with this five and railroad everyone else?

[00:31:34] Like if you could make this move,

[00:31:36] this could be a million dollar move.

[00:31:39] I feel like what Andy just did.

[00:31:41] And a part of me also feels like maybe some of Teeny's anger is that like,

[00:31:46] shoot,

[00:31:46] I should have been the one to work with these two to make a move like that.

[00:31:51] Well,

[00:31:52] she was angry after the challenge,

[00:31:54] right?

[00:31:55] Yeah.

[00:31:56] So,

[00:31:57] and,

[00:31:57] and I,

[00:31:59] a lot of the anger just seemed like,

[00:32:02] you know,

[00:32:03] it's the same reason why we're like,

[00:32:05] yo,

[00:32:05] why is Sam a threat?

[00:32:08] Cause Sam is a handsome,

[00:32:11] strong,

[00:32:12] charismatic guy out there right now.

[00:32:14] It's like,

[00:32:16] he hasn't,

[00:32:16] he's,

[00:32:17] he's been outside of a lot.

[00:32:18] He's been on the bottom of a lot.

[00:32:19] Like,

[00:32:20] but his mere existence out there is why he's a threat.

[00:32:24] And it seemed like we heard Teeny kind of saying that like this,

[00:32:28] this all American quarterback,

[00:32:31] whatever she,

[00:32:31] it just seemed like Teeny was just upset at this person.

[00:32:35] And granted he didn't bring Teeny with him,

[00:32:39] but I don't know.

[00:32:42] I just feel like,

[00:32:43] but also Teeny has been trying to do like an all women's alliance for a long

[00:32:48] time.

[00:32:48] Yeah.

[00:32:49] And I don't think that has ever gotten much traction despite them then going

[00:32:54] back and saying,

[00:32:54] Oh,

[00:32:55] we're going to do this.

[00:32:56] I don't know.

[00:32:57] I just feel like,

[00:32:58] I feel like they went off on this guy,

[00:33:03] Sam for more things than just say,

[00:33:05] I'm not bringing them on this reward.

[00:33:08] Definitely.

[00:33:09] I think there was a lot of pent up frustration.

[00:33:11] I mean,

[00:33:11] Teeny's game has been really up and down,

[00:33:14] never finding themselves like really in the driver's seat quite,

[00:33:19] I would say.

[00:33:19] And then something like this happens easy to crash out a little bit.

[00:33:23] It probably reminds,

[00:33:24] I don't want to psychoanalyze,

[00:33:26] but I'm sure maybe it seems like Teeny might've had,

[00:33:28] you know,

[00:33:28] issues with the,

[00:33:29] with the jock in high school.

[00:33:30] Right.

[00:33:31] And we've seen it with other people this season,

[00:33:32] reminiscing on those high school feelings.

[00:33:34] If you're out there and emotions are raw,

[00:33:36] like things with memories like that can come up.

[00:33:38] But I mean,

[00:33:39] I did think it was not a good look for Teeny.

[00:33:41] I still am a Teeny fan for sure.

[00:33:44] I mean,

[00:33:45] people coming with too much vitriol for Teeny online.

[00:33:49] It wasn't great,

[00:33:50] but it's like,

[00:33:51] that's it's,

[00:33:52] it's human,

[00:33:52] you know,

[00:33:53] it wasn't super malicious.

[00:33:55] But I also thought with the Genevieve thing,

[00:33:57] it just started the episode off on a crazy foot.

[00:34:00] Just being like,

[00:34:01] so you're saying if I was at the end with Rachel,

[00:34:03] like you might not vote for me.

[00:34:04] And Genevieve was like,

[00:34:05] that's correct.

[00:34:06] And then she's like,

[00:34:06] is that a threat?

[00:34:07] And you know,

[00:34:07] it's like,

[00:34:08] no,

[00:34:08] Genevieve just answered your question.

[00:34:10] What do you mean?

[00:34:11] Genevieve like,

[00:34:12] and just being honest with you.

[00:34:13] but I can relate to Teeny in that moment though.

[00:34:16] Right.

[00:34:16] So if you got friction,

[00:34:17] if I'm in a fight with Wendell and I'm like,

[00:34:20] we're fighting and I'm like,

[00:34:21] well,

[00:34:21] Wendell,

[00:34:21] what time are you picking me up?

[00:34:25] What time are you picking me up?

[00:34:26] I'm not.

[00:34:31] What time is you picking me up?

[00:34:32] Just give me a time.

[00:34:35] 6 PM.

[00:34:36] Oh,

[00:34:37] so 6 PM work for you.

[00:34:38] You ain't even asked me.

[00:34:39] You know what I mean?

[00:34:40] Like,

[00:34:40] I see where,

[00:34:42] like I can relate to Teeny in that moment where it's just like any answer that you get.

[00:34:47] But I also was cracking up with Teeny and was like,

[00:34:52] did you just threaten me?

[00:34:53] Like,

[00:34:54] what's up?

[00:34:54] Like,

[00:34:56] you know what?

[00:34:57] There was a point on Ghost Island when Donathan,

[00:34:59] I think did that to me.

[00:35:00] He was like,

[00:35:01] yo,

[00:35:01] if you're sitting at the end with Dom,

[00:35:03] I'm voting for him.

[00:35:06] And I was like,

[00:35:11] he ended up voting for me though.

[00:35:12] So that's what sucks.

[00:35:15] But he did hit me with that.

[00:35:16] I was like,

[00:35:18] I didn't know how to take it.

[00:35:20] And it was funny that Genevieve immediately following that up with like,

[00:35:23] Teeny,

[00:35:24] sometimes you really weaponize your emotions.

[00:35:26] It's kind of like,

[00:35:27] I wish we saw a little bit more of the thought of that.

[00:35:29] Cause it kind of just cuts to Teeny being like,

[00:35:32] huh?

[00:35:35] I love,

[00:35:36] uh,

[00:35:37] I,

[00:35:37] I feel like I was talking to someone the other day,

[00:35:40] yesterday,

[00:35:41] like the flexibility,

[00:35:42] right?

[00:35:42] I really feel like in the new era,

[00:35:44] you have to be flexible.

[00:35:45] And I really feel like this plan,

[00:35:47] uh,

[00:35:48] what was it?

[00:35:50] Olive Garden.

[00:35:51] Yeah.

[00:35:51] Operation Olive Garden.

[00:35:52] Italy.

[00:35:53] Uh,

[00:35:54] with Sam and Andy,

[00:35:56] right?

[00:35:57] Like,

[00:35:57] I feel like Andy was wooed over.

[00:36:00] Like Sam was like,

[00:36:01] Hey bro,

[00:36:02] what's up?

[00:36:02] Haven't seen you in a while.

[00:36:03] And he's like,

[00:36:04] Oh,

[00:36:04] I love,

[00:36:05] I love this.

[00:36:05] I'm back in the good graces.

[00:36:07] And I really feel like it's them both being super flexible,

[00:36:10] right?

[00:36:10] Like to make this happen.

[00:36:11] And I feel like in this new era,

[00:36:14] you have to be flexible.

[00:36:15] And so Andy coming up with this mastermind game,

[00:36:18] I love the way Andy narrates,

[00:36:20] right?

[00:36:20] Like he just sounds like this,

[00:36:21] this super smart kid that if I was in seven free,

[00:36:24] I would absolutely be cheating off of his math test.

[00:36:26] But like the way the plan itself is like,

[00:36:29] okay,

[00:36:30] it can work.

[00:36:30] But the way Andy then describes it,

[00:36:32] I'm like,

[00:36:33] is this going to be too complicated?

[00:36:35] Like,

[00:36:35] I'm nervous that it's not going to work.

[00:36:37] And then they're like,

[00:36:38] we're going to have to stay up all night and work on it.

[00:36:40] And you just see like the clips of them up at night.

[00:36:42] But I love the fact that Andy recognizes last week.

[00:36:48] Genevieve was like,

[00:36:50] why are we bringing people like Andy around?

[00:36:53] He's taking up seats.

[00:36:54] So this week where I really think that that might've resonated with Andy.

[00:36:58] And Andy's like,

[00:36:58] you know what?

[00:36:59] We only got a week left.

[00:37:00] I need to let people know who Andy is.

[00:37:04] And perfect storm because who this could be,

[00:37:10] a million dollar loss or a million dollar gain.

[00:37:14] I really think that Andy in this situation,

[00:37:17] to me personally,

[00:37:18] this could have won the game or it could have lost him the game.

[00:37:21] However,

[00:37:21] I think that this is probably the biggest move of this season.

[00:37:26] And whether he wins or not,

[00:37:28] he will go down with like,

[00:37:30] you will,

[00:37:31] you think of Jesse and Jesse season.

[00:37:32] I really think you're going to think of Andy with this season.

[00:37:35] And I think that like the risk was greater than the reward or the reward.

[00:37:40] Yeah.

[00:37:41] That's what I meant.

[00:37:42] Yeah.

[00:37:42] Yeah.

[00:37:42] No,

[00:37:43] it's where he was at in that Alliance of five.

[00:37:45] It was not looking like he was,

[00:37:48] he was kind of on the bottom and he kind of didn't have the strongest resume

[00:37:50] compared to like a Caroline or a Rachel.

[00:37:52] So,

[00:37:53] you know,

[00:37:54] this move,

[00:37:54] I don't know how it's going to shake out.

[00:37:56] There's a chance and he goes next,

[00:37:57] but I like him taking the big swing because it puts him in a position where

[00:38:01] he kind of takes the,

[00:38:02] the,

[00:38:03] the ball on his court.

[00:38:04] And now he's able to kind of mold his,

[00:38:07] his path to the end and maybe get a win as opposed to maybe he goes farther,

[00:38:11] but has less of a chance.

[00:38:12] So I got a question.

[00:38:14] You're saying like,

[00:38:16] there's a chance he goes next.

[00:38:17] I'm trying to put Andy,

[00:38:19] as far as like the threats that are remaining,

[00:38:21] I'm trying to figure out where to put him after this big move.

[00:38:25] So like before,

[00:38:27] before this move,

[00:38:28] I don't think they were looking at him as a threat.

[00:38:31] And I think Caroline's exit press,

[00:38:33] there was some stuff that she said that made me really think that I think,

[00:38:37] I think what she said with on,

[00:38:42] on our hat was essentially,

[00:38:44] you know what?

[00:38:45] We kind of wanted Andy to,

[00:38:48] to,

[00:38:48] to lay out the numbers.

[00:38:52] We went with him.

[00:38:53] Because we understood that he needed something.

[00:38:56] So like,

[00:38:57] if,

[00:38:58] if people there are looking at him,

[00:39:00] like,

[00:39:00] you know what?

[00:39:01] He's not the biggest threat or the biggest,

[00:39:04] whatever threat after a move like this.

[00:39:06] Now I'm wondering where,

[00:39:07] where is Sam?

[00:39:08] Where's Genevieve?

[00:39:09] Where's Rachel even compared to an Andy?

[00:39:12] So that,

[00:39:13] you know,

[00:39:14] next week they,

[00:39:15] Andy might've just made this huge move,

[00:39:17] but they might still be like,

[00:39:18] now we need Rachel first,

[00:39:19] or we need,

[00:39:20] I don't think that.

[00:39:22] Go ahead.

[00:39:23] I think my opinion after this episode,

[00:39:26] right?

[00:39:26] Andy just kind of like bold.

[00:39:28] He broke the house down,

[00:39:30] right?

[00:39:30] They had a house is broken down.

[00:39:32] And I think him swing over to the other side.

[00:39:35] I think that there will be other people,

[00:39:38] IE teeny,

[00:39:40] maybe even Sue that are like,

[00:39:44] wait a minute.

[00:39:45] Maybe the biggest threats wasn't really Genevieve and Sam with Rachel winning this immunity,

[00:39:51] second immunity in a row.

[00:39:53] I think that people are going to be like,

[00:39:56] is Rachel.

[00:39:57] I think the pendulum is about to swing.

[00:39:59] And I think that they're going to get momentum on the other side.

[00:40:02] And I think it's going to be like,

[00:40:04] they're going to target a Rachel and potentially have like Andy as the next person to get.

[00:40:08] But I definitely think that they are reached.

[00:40:10] The underdog big dogs are rethinking the threat levels.

[00:40:14] I,

[00:40:15] I kind of think that Rachel teeny and Sue is still going to be a really solid block.

[00:40:22] Rachel didn't really do anything this episode to change teeny or Sue's perception of her.

[00:40:27] I feel like,

[00:40:27] right.

[00:40:28] Rachel was out of the vote.

[00:40:29] I mean,

[00:40:30] one immunity,

[00:40:30] but so out of the vote.

[00:40:33] Andy,

[00:40:33] I think,

[00:40:34] and now that three,

[00:40:35] they have a block of,

[00:40:36] they have two idols.

[00:40:37] They can make a pretty straightforward final six vote,

[00:40:40] but it's a good question.

[00:40:41] Like who would the target be?

[00:40:42] I still think they go for Sam and Genevieve just because they have this like preconceived notion of them being threats.

[00:40:49] And obviously teeny is not a big Sam or Genevieve enthusiast at this point.

[00:40:56] But I do think that Andy,

[00:40:59] I think he's going to be able to weasel his way to like four and then maybe get into that final three.

[00:41:05] Cause I,

[00:41:06] I just don't think Sam and Genevieve,

[00:41:07] cause now it's like if Sam and Genevieve get to the end,

[00:41:09] they're sort of like,

[00:41:09] they sort of spoken into existence of their threats,

[00:41:12] even though,

[00:41:13] I mean,

[00:41:13] Sam,

[00:41:14] I think in terms of threats,

[00:41:16] like in my mind,

[00:41:17] like I think,

[00:41:18] you know,

[00:41:19] you can argue like a Rachel versus Genevieve,

[00:41:20] but I think Rachel and Genevieve are tier one.

[00:41:23] Yeah.

[00:41:23] Sam and Andy are probably tier two.

[00:41:26] And then,

[00:41:26] you know,

[00:41:27] Keeney and Sue have a long uphill battle to win this thing at this point.

[00:41:31] And I think,

[00:41:33] honestly,

[00:41:33] I was so happy for Andy this week,

[00:41:35] just like how rough he is.

[00:41:36] I felt like he's had such like,

[00:41:38] uh,

[00:41:39] you know,

[00:41:39] my own journey or like Owen journey of just like,

[00:41:42] and we saw her last week killed me.

[00:41:45] Like when Genevieve said,

[00:41:46] um,

[00:41:47] Oh yeah.

[00:41:48] Everyone's just saving space for Andy and Andy and Sue.

[00:41:51] And so it's like,

[00:41:52] Oh damn,

[00:41:52] they're still looking at him that way.

[00:41:54] And that was like really disappointing.

[00:41:55] Cause it seems like even every since episode one,

[00:41:58] he just couldn't get this,

[00:41:59] this stink off of them.

[00:42:00] And then to see the jury,

[00:42:01] yo,

[00:42:02] that was Andy.

[00:42:03] That was like,

[00:42:04] I felt so,

[00:42:05] I felt so happy for him.

[00:42:06] Cause like,

[00:42:07] I don't think if he goes with that five and we saw it today with,

[00:42:10] Oh,

[00:42:10] we're going to,

[00:42:10] we're going to do the girls thing.

[00:42:11] And we're going to have,

[00:42:12] we can have our four.

[00:42:13] He was going to go with five.

[00:42:14] And even if he wins an immunity,

[00:42:15] they're probably looking to take him out at four.

[00:42:18] Anyway,

[00:42:18] he needed this to what?

[00:42:23] No,

[00:42:24] go ahead.

[00:42:24] Sorry.

[00:42:26] He needed this to,

[00:42:27] to put him.

[00:42:28] If he was going to win,

[00:42:29] he needed this.

[00:42:30] So regardless if it works out or not,

[00:42:32] he needed this to win.

[00:42:33] Yeah.

[00:42:33] If he,

[00:42:34] if he stays with the girls,

[00:42:35] he might've went father.

[00:42:37] He might go father.

[00:42:38] You might have a stronger likelihood of going father,

[00:42:40] but this absolutely increased.

[00:42:42] He needed to make this move.

[00:42:43] Yeah.

[00:42:43] My concern though,

[00:42:44] is that,

[00:42:45] you know,

[00:42:46] cause he doesn't want to,

[00:42:46] he doesn't want to go to the end and get zero votes.

[00:42:48] Like no one wants to go to the end and lose.

[00:42:50] And he recognizes that.

[00:42:52] And honestly,

[00:42:53] the,

[00:42:54] the,

[00:42:54] the class of watching him was awesome.

[00:42:56] Cause I'm like,

[00:42:56] damn,

[00:42:57] like,

[00:42:57] I hope he's in it.

[00:42:58] I hope he's in it now.

[00:42:59] And we're going to have to see like what other people say about this

[00:43:01] after.

[00:43:01] But I think,

[00:43:02] you know,

[00:43:04] instead of being in that tier three,

[00:43:05] I think Andy's definitely in that tier two.

[00:43:08] The thing that scared me though,

[00:43:10] with that,

[00:43:11] when you brought up the jury,

[00:43:12] they didn't say it was Andy.

[00:43:15] They said,

[00:43:15] Andy flipped again.

[00:43:18] Right.

[00:43:18] And I was like,

[00:43:19] Oh,

[00:43:20] that,

[00:43:20] that like,

[00:43:21] and when,

[00:43:21] for me,

[00:43:22] I read it as like the mother effer flipped on me.

[00:43:24] And now,

[00:43:25] right.

[00:43:25] Like,

[00:43:26] like,

[00:43:28] yeah,

[00:43:28] the way,

[00:43:29] I don't know if it was Gabriel.

[00:43:31] Yeah.

[00:43:32] I was going to say the same thing,

[00:43:34] but I,

[00:43:35] and he's making great moves,

[00:43:36] but I don't think the jury really just has like,

[00:43:38] not much respect for him.

[00:43:39] So I'm worried he's going to get to the end with a great resume.

[00:43:42] And there's still that threat,

[00:43:45] but if he didn't do that,

[00:43:46] this vote,

[00:43:47] like what are his odds of winning?

[00:43:48] Like before this were like 5%,

[00:43:51] at least he raises to 15.

[00:43:53] Is that great?

[00:43:53] No.

[00:43:54] But like,

[00:43:54] I think that definitely raises his odds doing this.

[00:43:58] If he can look Caroline on the jury and be,

[00:44:00] like,

[00:44:01] were you really going to take me?

[00:44:03] What?

[00:44:04] I mean,

[00:44:04] she could lie,

[00:44:05] but like,

[00:44:05] that's,

[00:44:05] she wasn't going to take.

[00:44:07] So it's like,

[00:44:07] he's doing what he has to do.

[00:44:09] And,

[00:44:09] but the jury,

[00:44:11] like,

[00:44:11] they look like,

[00:44:12] man,

[00:44:12] this snake is flipping all over the place.

[00:44:15] But if Andy's sitting at the end and we've seen Andy get in these

[00:44:19] confessionals and lay a plan out or sometimes Monday morning quarterback

[00:44:24] and whatever,

[00:44:24] but we've seen him get in there,

[00:44:26] be very lucid and clear with,

[00:44:27] with a plan.

[00:44:29] If my man can get,

[00:44:30] if Bryce's man can get to the end and lay it out,

[00:44:35] Hey,

[00:44:35] I had to flip here.

[00:44:37] And that's why you're sitting there.

[00:44:38] I'm sorry.

[00:44:39] Hey,

[00:44:39] I know you weren't going to take me here.

[00:44:41] That's why I'm sorry.

[00:44:42] Hey,

[00:44:42] you were closer with Sam.

[00:44:44] I had to take you out here.

[00:44:45] Like if he lays all this out,

[00:44:47] there is a world where Andy gets votes at the end,

[00:44:50] gets the respect votes at the end.

[00:44:52] Yeah.

[00:44:53] Maybe not the win.

[00:44:55] I think you can't say that.

[00:44:57] Like,

[00:44:57] I think a difficulty of getting a final travel,

[00:44:59] you can't say that you did something for your resume.

[00:45:02] I think people,

[00:45:03] and I might be wrong,

[00:45:04] but I think juries hate that argument.

[00:45:05] Oh,

[00:45:05] I just did this for resume.

[00:45:08] That can't be the excuse.

[00:45:09] It's gotta be for position,

[00:45:10] not resume.

[00:45:12] Your position is the resume,

[00:45:15] not vice versa.

[00:45:16] You know?

[00:45:17] Right.

[00:45:18] Yeah,

[00:45:18] I agree.

[00:45:19] Sorry.

[00:45:19] Last night's move was a big resume.

[00:45:22] May move,

[00:45:22] but it was like,

[00:45:23] Hey,

[00:45:24] I was at the bottom of this five.

[00:45:26] I just flipped,

[00:45:27] got rid of one of them.

[00:45:28] Now it's three,

[00:45:28] three.

[00:45:30] That's a,

[00:45:31] that's a smart game move,

[00:45:32] not just a resume booster.

[00:45:34] And all of his vote outs have been like flipping back and forth,

[00:45:36] but with,

[00:45:37] with not for a resume,

[00:45:38] but with the,

[00:45:39] with logic behind it.

[00:45:41] Yeah.

[00:45:42] Yeah.

[00:45:42] The only,

[00:45:43] the thing that scares me with Andy now,

[00:45:45] right.

[00:45:45] Is because I really feel like teeny will go with the numbers.

[00:45:48] I feel like Andy could get teeny and it'd be teeny Genevieve and Sam.

[00:45:51] The thing that now scares me because I'm,

[00:45:54] listen,

[00:45:55] I'm pissed.

[00:45:56] They got my girl,

[00:45:56] Caroline out,

[00:45:57] right?

[00:45:58] Who is Caroline most closest to Sue?

[00:46:00] Who has an idol?

[00:46:01] Sue.

[00:46:02] If Sue now transfers that mother daughter love to Rachel,

[00:46:06] then they would have two idols.

[00:46:08] They would have a block of mock.

[00:46:10] Like,

[00:46:11] you know what I mean?

[00:46:11] Like,

[00:46:11] I really feel like now Sue is going to like bend the knee to Rachel.

[00:46:16] And no one knows about like,

[00:46:18] I feel like they,

[00:46:18] it's about to,

[00:46:19] it's about to get spooky.

[00:46:21] Yeah.

[00:46:22] Right.

[00:46:23] Remember how angry she was at Kyle?

[00:46:25] Cause Kyle said game.

[00:46:26] And so,

[00:46:28] so here's the thing in Sue's case,

[00:46:30] this other,

[00:46:31] this side is loaded.

[00:46:33] I will bet good money that one of the three that just played this big move is

[00:46:37] going home the next episode.

[00:46:39] Like I agree.

[00:46:40] I agree.

[00:46:41] Cause they're so they got,

[00:46:42] not only is it three,

[00:46:43] three right now,

[00:46:44] whatever,

[00:46:44] even if they flip teeny,

[00:46:45] whatever,

[00:46:45] three,

[00:46:46] three,

[00:46:46] two idols block a vote.

[00:46:49] And Rachel is good at winning these challenges.

[00:46:52] Like they are going to find a way with all of their artillery to,

[00:46:57] to fight back what we just saw.

[00:46:59] I think the next two votes will be one of the two.

[00:47:03] Yeah.

[00:47:04] However,

[00:47:05] I was saying this last week,

[00:47:07] but we always put the emphasis on obviously in survivor.

[00:47:11] There's only one winner.

[00:47:12] Right.

[00:47:12] Right.

[00:47:12] However,

[00:47:13] I feel like we don't put enough emphasis on people's placement.

[00:47:16] Right.

[00:47:16] Like,

[00:47:17] so regardless of whoever gets sniped next week,

[00:47:19] if it's Rachel,

[00:47:21] if it's,

[00:47:21] if it's Genevieve,

[00:47:22] if it's Sam,

[00:47:24] right.

[00:47:24] Like they,

[00:47:25] they,

[00:47:26] they,

[00:47:26] they,

[00:47:26] they,

[00:47:27] they life way beyond than what we expected.

[00:47:30] And so that is much like,

[00:47:32] you know what I just respect.

[00:47:33] And the big value too,

[00:47:34] is that inevitably one of them will be at the final four

[00:47:37] and will have a chance to make fire

[00:47:39] and will have the chance to make it to the final three,

[00:47:42] which if they didn't make a move like that,

[00:47:43] it's not guaranteed because then there's a good chance

[00:47:46] there's a Rachel Sue Caroline final three

[00:47:49] or something like that where at least Andy now,

[00:47:51] like you said, they might go home in this window,

[00:47:55] but at least the one of them that can get to that four

[00:47:57] potentially will have a fighting chance.

[00:47:59] So you go from maybe dead in the water

[00:48:01] to a glimmer of hope.

[00:48:03] So I do think too, is that if, you know,

[00:48:07] we got to decide with all the advantages,

[00:48:09] I think depending on who wins immunity,

[00:48:11] I think any of those three win immunity.

[00:48:14] I don't think, I think this is good for Andy

[00:48:16] because I don't, I don't, do you go after Andy there?

[00:48:18] I don't think so.

[00:48:19] I don't think so.

[00:48:20] Well, I feel like Sue going to want to go after Andy.

[00:48:23] Like Sue is.

[00:48:26] Sue may be going after Andy.

[00:48:27] Sue may be going after Andy.

[00:48:29] So in that case, if she's the one vote for Andy,

[00:48:32] now, now numbers can be.

[00:48:34] Yeah.

[00:48:35] I think it's a testament to show of like how much,

[00:48:39] I guess your personality and how people perceive it

[00:48:41] affects your respect.

[00:48:44] Cause like, you know,

[00:48:45] Sam is probably still going to be a bigger target than Andy.

[00:48:48] And Andy in a sense has really been running the show a little bit

[00:48:51] in terms of the moves.

[00:48:52] Sam, I think by his own admission,

[00:48:54] hasn't had a lot of footing after the merge,

[00:48:56] but because Sam has so much charisma and people view Andy as kind of a rat,

[00:49:01] like Sam is still a bigger threat than Andy.

[00:49:03] So it's kind of like,

[00:49:04] you just got to make sure people respect you as sort of first and foremost

[00:49:08] for a chance to win.

[00:49:09] Cause Andy's doing everything right.

[00:49:10] And he might get to the end and doing everything right.

[00:49:12] Still lose.

[00:49:13] Cause people just don't view him as a,

[00:49:16] as a winner,

[00:49:17] I suppose.

[00:49:17] Question.

[00:49:18] If either Genevieve and Sam are at the end,

[00:49:24] just doesn't matter the operation or whoever the city next to,

[00:49:28] can they like,

[00:49:30] can they claim this move as theirs?

[00:49:32] Yeah.

[00:49:32] Somewhat.

[00:49:33] Somewhat.

[00:49:35] I think so.

[00:49:36] Yeah.

[00:49:36] They can claim it.

[00:49:37] Cause like,

[00:49:37] I think people have been,

[00:49:38] sorry.

[00:49:39] No,

[00:49:39] I want him to clarify.

[00:49:41] Like if Andy is not sitting there also,

[00:49:42] it's just,

[00:49:44] or like,

[00:49:45] or I guess my question might be like,

[00:49:46] like this was Andy's move.

[00:49:49] Do you get the sense that say Andy was at the end and describe this move?

[00:49:53] Right?

[00:49:53] Like we saw how the jury received it.

[00:49:55] I don't think they would like it,

[00:49:56] but have Genevieve or Sam say their part in it.

[00:50:02] I think people might be like,

[00:50:03] no,

[00:50:04] no.

[00:50:04] Like,

[00:50:04] so is,

[00:50:05] is Andy just damned if he does damned if you don't.

[00:50:08] Somewhat.

[00:50:09] Not,

[00:50:10] not fully,

[00:50:10] but like.

[00:50:11] Potentially.

[00:50:12] People don't,

[00:50:13] I don't think the jury wants to root for Andy.

[00:50:16] And so he's.

[00:50:19] And I think he's got that certain self-awareness of like,

[00:50:21] he needs to improve his position.

[00:50:23] He needs to gain some respect.

[00:50:25] He's trying to do that.

[00:50:26] It might be too little too late,

[00:50:28] but at least he's like going for it.

[00:50:30] Um,

[00:50:31] but yeah,

[00:50:32] it might just be the thing where it's like,

[00:50:34] Oh,

[00:50:34] he makes all these great moves.

[00:50:35] And then the jury's going to think what they want to think.

[00:50:37] So if they're like,

[00:50:38] we haven't respected Andy from day one.

[00:50:40] Cause of that breakdown,

[00:50:41] like all your,

[00:50:42] all your big moves,

[00:50:43] which were great moves are like just you being a weasel and like.

[00:50:47] Scurrying around.

[00:50:48] But if,

[00:50:48] if Sam were to do all those moves,

[00:50:50] they'd be like.

[00:50:52] Hell of a game.

[00:50:53] Sam.

[00:50:56] It's because of how he started.

[00:50:57] And that's a shame.

[00:50:58] Cause like,

[00:50:59] like man,

[00:51:00] he started about as bad as you can,

[00:51:02] but he has been weaseling and maneuvering and,

[00:51:05] you know,

[00:51:07] wheeling and dealing his way to get to where he is.

[00:51:09] And that was a huge move and a great idea that they executed perfectly.

[00:51:15] I mean,

[00:51:15] the stars aligned for it,

[00:51:17] but man,

[00:51:18] for you to fall so hard on your face,

[00:51:20] episode one.

[00:51:22] And for them to be so like,

[00:51:25] that's how they view you.

[00:51:26] And that is clearly how they've continued to view him all the way up to this

[00:51:29] point.

[00:51:30] I hope,

[00:51:31] I hope for his sake that like,

[00:51:33] whether it's him convincing them or what,

[00:51:35] like,

[00:51:35] I hope they start giving him some credit.

[00:51:37] And even in my case,

[00:51:38] like I've been looking at him some type of way all season because of how he

[00:51:41] started.

[00:51:42] And Bryce has been riding for him all season,

[00:51:44] but like,

[00:51:45] I,

[00:51:45] I got to respect that move big time.

[00:51:48] Yeah.

[00:51:49] And I,

[00:51:50] what it was like,

[00:51:51] he,

[00:51:51] like y'all said,

[00:51:52] he dropped a bomb.

[00:51:53] He dropped a bomb.

[00:51:55] He took it from a five,

[00:51:56] three,

[00:51:56] five,

[00:51:57] two to a three,

[00:51:58] three.

[00:51:59] He got rid of Sue's number one.

[00:52:01] That,

[00:52:01] that could have been the tightest group.

[00:52:02] Like you going to put some respect on Caroline's name.

[00:52:07] She wasn't just Sue's number one.

[00:52:08] And my opinion,

[00:52:10] cause let's talk about it.

[00:52:11] Why didn't they target Sue?

[00:52:14] Why didn't it target a teeny?

[00:52:16] Why didn't I target a Caroline?

[00:52:18] Caroline wasn't playing a strip.

[00:52:19] Caroline was playing a great game.

[00:52:22] Yeah.

[00:52:22] I'm not,

[00:52:22] I'm not putting disrespect.

[00:52:24] Oh,

[00:52:25] okay.

[00:52:25] I don't know.

[00:52:26] I can split them up.

[00:52:27] Yeah.

[00:52:28] all right.

[00:52:29] Well,

[00:52:29] okay.

[00:52:30] Please didn't say,

[00:52:30] say Caroline could have been the winner.

[00:52:32] Not Sue's right hand,

[00:52:33] man.

[00:52:33] We don't know.

[00:52:34] Why are you getting so,

[00:52:35] why are you getting so hype at me?

[00:52:36] Cause I,

[00:52:37] cause I'm just saying,

[00:52:38] I feel like them sending Caroline home.

[00:52:41] And my opinion is letting us know.

[00:52:46] Her threat level.

[00:52:47] Yeah.

[00:52:47] Uh,

[00:52:48] and the potential of if she were to get at the end,

[00:52:52] sweet old Caroline could talk some talk.

[00:52:54] And depending on who she said next to that.

[00:52:58] Yeah.

[00:53:00] I think,

[00:53:01] can I,

[00:53:02] can I throw,

[00:53:02] I think I know like a great argument for Andy.

[00:53:04] I don't know if you can get the respect,

[00:53:05] but if I'm Andy,

[00:53:06] right.

[00:53:07] And the view is I'm a flipper,

[00:53:09] right.

[00:53:10] If I'm Andy and this is for lack of a better analogy,

[00:53:13] I'm going to make this not political,

[00:53:15] but use the political lens.

[00:53:16] If Andy's going to go to another Alliance and just be automatically on the

[00:53:20] bottom,

[00:53:20] just based how they viewed him.

[00:53:23] And why doesn't he keep flipping and knock off the eggs?

[00:53:26] Like,

[00:53:26] let's say you're an independent runner for president and,

[00:53:28] and like we're in the game of survivor.

[00:53:30] I don't know.

[00:53:30] This is a terrible analogy,

[00:53:31] but see if you catch it.

[00:53:32] Like if I go take out Donald Trump and then I turn to the other side,

[00:53:36] take out Kamala Harris,

[00:53:37] then I go JV Vance.

[00:53:38] And then I go,

[00:53:39] um,

[00:53:40] Tim Wallace and you end up with the dude in the middle.

[00:53:43] No one was going to accept him at the top and give him the respect for that.

[00:53:46] So what do you got to do?

[00:53:46] You got to make your own thing in the middle.

[00:53:48] I feel like if he whittles it down and be like,

[00:53:50] this is all I could do given my position.

[00:53:52] I feel like he has like a strategic argument.

[00:53:54] It's just like,

[00:53:55] can he get the respect?

[00:53:56] It's just so,

[00:53:57] so,

[00:53:57] so difficult.

[00:53:58] You know,

[00:53:59] I also wonder the other side that he's with now,

[00:54:02] they'll be like,

[00:54:03] you weren't at the bottom.

[00:54:04] I feel like they would like spit that back at him.

[00:54:07] They're like,

[00:54:07] you weren't at the bottom.

[00:54:08] You were leading us.

[00:54:10] But yeah.

[00:54:11] Hey jurors,

[00:54:12] you know exactly where I was.

[00:54:13] Everyone,

[00:54:14] everyone on this Island knew where I was.

[00:54:16] I think Jake,

[00:54:16] I think that's a good point.

[00:54:18] Like if he sits there and says,

[00:54:19] look,

[00:54:20] this is what I had to do.

[00:54:21] I saw people over there leading stuff.

[00:54:23] I had to jump over here to get this one,

[00:54:25] jump over there,

[00:54:25] get this one to where,

[00:54:27] like,

[00:54:27] do y'all see me now?

[00:54:28] Type of thing.

[00:54:30] Yeah.

[00:54:30] He's very self-aware of his position and like knows,

[00:54:33] I think somewhat how he's perceived and like what he has to do.

[00:54:36] And I,

[00:54:37] I just going to boil that.

[00:54:38] Like you said,

[00:54:38] that argument's great.

[00:54:39] Like he's in this bad position.

[00:54:41] So his move is just go all out and like attack,

[00:54:45] which is what he's been doing.

[00:54:47] It's just one.

[00:54:48] Can he beat Sue and teeny?

[00:54:49] If he can get to the end with Sue and teeny.

[00:54:51] Yeah,

[00:54:51] I think so.

[00:54:52] I think that's the ideal combo.

[00:54:54] I think it was a chance,

[00:54:55] you know,

[00:54:55] if you could take out Rachel and like fire,

[00:54:57] then I think he's got to,

[00:54:58] I think the jury would begrudgingly have to vote for Andy.

[00:55:02] Like I,

[00:55:02] I don't think they really like or respect Andy.

[00:55:06] People want to vote for the person.

[00:55:08] They like really see as the winner.

[00:55:10] Andy,

[00:55:10] I think it would be like,

[00:55:11] okay,

[00:55:12] teeny was kind of a mess.

[00:55:14] Like we'll just all over the place.

[00:55:16] Strategically.

[00:55:16] Sue was kind of in the passenger seat.

[00:55:19] And then they'd be like,

[00:55:20] at least Andy was like going and cooking stuff up.

[00:55:23] And like,

[00:55:23] maybe he was kind of all over the place from their view,

[00:55:26] but he was going for it.

[00:55:27] And like,

[00:55:28] I would give my vote to Andy there.

[00:55:29] I would need Andy to be at the final.

[00:55:32] And I would need like him almost not yelling at the jury,

[00:55:37] but him almost like,

[00:55:41] like I would need like a,

[00:55:43] a rough and tough Andy.

[00:55:44] Like,

[00:55:45] yo,

[00:55:45] like I saw how y'all was looking at me when I said I need it all.

[00:55:48] Y'all thought I needed it all.

[00:55:50] But where am I at now?

[00:55:52] When I took out,

[00:55:52] like,

[00:55:53] you know what I mean?

[00:55:53] Like I would want him to like,

[00:55:56] is ish because like,

[00:55:57] I feel like that's the only way that they're going to respect him.

[00:56:02] Because I feel like if he just says like what he says,

[00:56:04] like regular Andy,

[00:56:05] they're going to be like,

[00:56:06] I think he'd turn up.

[00:56:07] He just would have to make sure he's not coming across like too,

[00:56:09] too cocky.

[00:56:10] But I think in that final,

[00:56:12] because teeny would probably be like,

[00:56:14] um,

[00:56:15] like Genevieve was threatening me and Sam,

[00:56:17] like didn't bring me on the reward.

[00:56:18] And I would be like,

[00:56:19] what are you talking about?

[00:56:20] Sue would be like,

[00:56:21] I got Kyle out.

[00:56:23] And I would be like,

[00:56:25] listen,

[00:56:27] as long as she wanted him out that,

[00:56:29] I mean,

[00:56:29] they might respect it.

[00:56:31] Can we,

[00:56:33] imagine this arc,

[00:56:34] Andy getting upset that,

[00:56:36] that they clap for someone else and not him for opening a coconut.

[00:56:40] And now he gets the end,

[00:56:41] wins the game and has them all clapping for him as the winner.

[00:56:44] That'd be cool.

[00:56:45] Yeah.

[00:56:46] I do think he does need to like,

[00:56:47] there's definitely thread in the needle there.

[00:56:49] You can't come off and be like,

[00:56:50] I kicked everyone's ass,

[00:56:52] but like,

[00:56:52] guys,

[00:56:52] I need to do what I needed to do.

[00:56:54] And I did have to take you out.

[00:56:55] You were a problem for me.

[00:56:57] And like,

[00:56:58] just be,

[00:56:58] if he can be a little assertive,

[00:56:59] cause like,

[00:57:00] he doesn't come across that way when he's talking to people,

[00:57:01] but I think he does need a,

[00:57:03] if he gets to final travel,

[00:57:04] he needs to command a little bit more attention.

[00:57:08] Like threading the needle is great.

[00:57:10] Cause he also needs to come super humble in a way.

[00:57:12] Cause it's like,

[00:57:12] yeah,

[00:57:15] we've seen him talking to the jury being like,

[00:57:16] I lied to all their faces and now they're gone.

[00:57:19] And they're all sort of like,

[00:57:20] get out of here.

[00:57:21] But you need to like,

[00:57:22] you need to represent that,

[00:57:24] but also be like,

[00:57:25] but like,

[00:57:26] I'm just,

[00:57:26] I'm chill.

[00:57:31] Cause I'm worried.

[00:57:33] I was the mastermind.

[00:57:35] And then I was like,

[00:57:36] not going to like that.

[00:57:37] Yeah.

[00:57:37] You would feel like whomever game.

[00:57:40] I had to flip to get you out.

[00:57:42] You were becoming a problem.

[00:57:43] You weren't giving me the respect in the game.

[00:57:44] And then like,

[00:57:45] you were becoming a block for the things I want to do or insert whomever here,

[00:57:49] you know,

[00:57:49] not a mastermind,

[00:57:50] but doing what you got to do.

[00:57:51] And he's like,

[00:57:52] Hey,

[00:57:53] I feel strongly about this.

[00:57:54] So what we've seen from him too,

[00:57:55] it's like,

[00:57:55] he really could go either way.

[00:57:57] I think like he has that in his bag,

[00:57:59] but he also could just pull up and just start talking a lot of ish.

[00:58:03] Yeah.

[00:58:03] I will say like,

[00:58:05] it's tough to do.

[00:58:06] Cause like,

[00:58:07] you know,

[00:58:07] you're,

[00:58:07] you're,

[00:58:08] you're also like,

[00:58:09] I don't know when you're preparing,

[00:58:10] when you're preparing for final travel,

[00:58:11] you're ready to,

[00:58:12] for people to,

[00:58:13] you're ready to make your point when you try to be ready to make your

[00:58:16] point.

[00:58:16] But you're also like thinking about,

[00:58:18] Oh,

[00:58:18] what are people going to come in negative?

[00:58:20] You also prepare for the negativity as well.

[00:58:22] That could potentially come your way.

[00:58:23] So it's just,

[00:58:24] if he can like put that in compartmentalize that and still be

[00:58:28] assertive over on top of that,

[00:58:30] I think he can do it.

[00:58:31] Hmm.

[00:58:32] Yeah.

[00:58:32] This could be one.

[00:58:34] Can we talk about something that's been wracking my mind for the

[00:58:37] last three episodes?

[00:58:39] And this episode,

[00:58:40] I have believe I figured out.

[00:58:44] You're going to,

[00:58:45] are you talking about?

[00:58:46] No,

[00:58:47] go ahead.

[00:58:49] I'm just trying to figure out what the hell be on Sue face every episode.

[00:58:53] Right.

[00:58:54] But at this point,

[00:58:55] I am convinced she is using a mud foundation and contouring because it look,

[00:59:07] a look,

[00:59:07] it make her look a little younger.

[00:59:09] So like,

[00:59:09] you know,

[00:59:09] like it kind of defines her face a little bit.

[00:59:13] And at this point,

[00:59:13] I am sure that she is getting a little mud and contour her face.

[00:59:20] I think,

[00:59:20] I think that's because also we saw her hilariously be like,

[00:59:24] Caroline,

[00:59:24] you got some dirt on your face.

[00:59:27] She's got to be aware than that.

[00:59:28] Like,

[00:59:29] if you're going to point it out on someone else,

[00:59:30] like maybe she's aware,

[00:59:31] like,

[00:59:31] Oh,

[00:59:31] well mine is,

[00:59:32] this is,

[00:59:33] this is a Fenty,

[00:59:35] you know?

[00:59:37] I heard.

[00:59:38] No,

[00:59:39] Caroline explained that too.

[00:59:40] She said that Sue did a lot of tending to the fire and would get a lot of like charcoal on her face.

[00:59:47] And they would tell her about it.

[00:59:49] And she got to the point where like,

[00:59:51] she was getting a lot of it off,

[00:59:52] but still,

[00:59:55] that's just what it was.

[00:59:56] Yeah.

[00:59:59] The thing I'm with this move,

[01:00:02] a couple of things we haven't talked about.

[01:00:03] So I'm still kind of confused how it works out.

[01:00:06] I think there was a lot of complacency from,

[01:00:10] I mean,

[01:00:11] teeny friends.

[01:00:11] The,

[01:00:12] the two things are a,

[01:00:14] I guess they don't,

[01:00:15] they don't view Andy with a lot of respect where maybe they think he's going to make this move,

[01:00:18] but him pushing,

[01:00:19] he was pushing really hard to split this vote.

[01:00:22] And to me,

[01:00:23] that's a red flag for sure.

[01:00:26] The other thing is,

[01:00:28] and I guess we understand,

[01:00:29] you know,

[01:00:30] from Caroline's perspective,

[01:00:30] she wanted to give Andy some,

[01:00:32] some,

[01:00:34] room to work,

[01:00:35] to feel good about himself.

[01:00:36] Like I can respect that,

[01:00:37] but you know,

[01:00:38] I guess Rachel might have been the one who could put a stop to it.

[01:00:41] And she probably just didn't really care because she's in a good spot.

[01:00:45] But then also,

[01:00:46] so that was weird to me.

[01:00:47] Like if you think about,

[01:00:50] if I'm sitting in that five,

[01:00:51] I'm thinking about how could get,

[01:00:52] how could this go wrong?

[01:00:53] It would be Andy moves and shakes.

[01:00:56] And what would he have to do to do that?

[01:00:58] He does to split the vote,

[01:00:59] him being the majority and flip.

[01:01:00] And then when he's like,

[01:01:01] Hey,

[01:01:01] I think we should split the vote and I should be in the majority.

[01:01:04] I'd be like,

[01:01:04] all right,

[01:01:05] something's up.

[01:01:07] That's what Andy needs to say at the end.

[01:01:09] Like that's something that he needs to talk about.

[01:01:12] Like,

[01:01:13] like that's something that he needs to.

[01:01:16] I split the vote.

[01:01:16] Yeah.

[01:01:17] I just,

[01:01:17] I don't really know how it worked,

[01:01:19] but props,

[01:01:19] props to Andy.

[01:01:20] The other thing that confused me,

[01:01:21] and there's a lot of,

[01:01:22] the other thing is when Genevieve told teeny about this fake idol and they just put teeny in the blender.

[01:01:30] There's some layers to it.

[01:01:31] So I don't really know,

[01:01:32] but ultimately I think teeny like teeny,

[01:01:34] you've openly been kind of against these two.

[01:01:37] Why would you be the one that they tell?

[01:01:39] And then be like,

[01:01:40] just keep the votes on me.

[01:01:41] Like you have to know that that's suspicious.

[01:01:44] Like what?

[01:01:46] But this is why I love teeny though.

[01:01:48] Cause again,

[01:01:49] teeny reminds me of me because although she might be mad at Genevieve,

[01:01:52] although she might,

[01:01:53] although Genevieve might've threatened her,

[01:01:56] what is teeny?

[01:01:57] Right.

[01:01:58] Teeny,

[01:01:58] teeny said,

[01:02:00] play the idol.

[01:02:01] They come up for you,

[01:02:02] play the idol and hugs.

[01:02:03] And like,

[01:02:03] it's like teeny is a lover at the end of the day.

[01:02:06] Like no matter what goes back and forth with her and Genevieve,

[01:02:08] like she still is rooting for her.

[01:02:11] And I think that that is what makes teeny so upset when she gets played is

[01:02:17] because it's like me with men time and time again,

[01:02:20] I believe what they say and all of this.

[01:02:22] And then I'm just left by myself.

[01:02:24] So it's like,

[01:02:25] I physically can see what teeny is going through because it's like,

[01:02:28] I don't know if that came from a place of love though.

[01:02:31] That seemed like her trying to flush the idol out.

[01:02:33] I mean,

[01:02:34] yeah,

[01:02:34] but also I,

[01:02:35] I felt like it was kind of like,

[01:02:38] you're trusting me with this.

[01:02:40] Like they come up for you,

[01:02:42] play it.

[01:02:42] But also knowing that Sam is the other target.

[01:02:45] Well,

[01:02:45] right.

[01:02:45] She wanted Sam the whole time anyway.

[01:02:47] So she's like,

[01:02:48] yeah,

[01:02:48] play that.

[01:02:49] Yeah.

[01:02:49] Also,

[01:02:50] if teeny has an issue with anybody,

[01:02:54] this episode,

[01:02:55] if I'm teeny,

[01:02:57] it would be the F and producers because I like the,

[01:03:01] the amount of gold that teeny was given to producers.

[01:03:04] And you can know that her producers was probably just like chiming it up to

[01:03:07] teeny tiny's like,

[01:03:09] he hit the death of kids.

[01:03:11] She got to idle.

[01:03:12] He's going home.

[01:03:13] Yes.

[01:03:14] Oh,

[01:03:14] how was you?

[01:03:15] You want me to say it again?

[01:03:16] Ha ha ha.

[01:03:16] Your last supper.

[01:03:18] Oh,

[01:03:18] say a different,

[01:03:19] Sam,

[01:03:20] your last supper.

[01:03:22] Give it a little more emphasis.

[01:03:23] Teeny your last supper,

[01:03:25] Tim.

[01:03:25] See you later.

[01:03:27] Like the way that they was coaching teeny up.

[01:03:30] If teeny is mad at anybody is F them producers,

[01:03:34] teeny.

[01:03:34] Cause they set her up.

[01:03:36] Like,

[01:03:37] Oh,

[01:03:37] cause she was giving them gold,

[01:03:39] like gold.

[01:03:43] And I also like,

[01:03:45] go ahead.

[01:03:46] I feel like I heard,

[01:03:47] I feel like we got a soundbite,

[01:03:49] a scary soundbite from some,

[01:03:51] from Caroline also,

[01:03:53] where she was like,

[01:03:54] I see the end.

[01:03:55] Like,

[01:03:56] yeah,

[01:03:57] good spot.

[01:03:58] Like,

[01:03:58] Oh,

[01:03:59] we got a lot of kiss of deaths from Caroline.

[01:04:01] This episode too.

[01:04:03] Also.

[01:04:04] Let's give Sue her credit because although Sue might be in the passenger seat of what y'all say.

[01:04:11] She,

[01:04:11] if this is a 13 hour drive,

[01:04:14] Sue is that passenger that is staying up.

[01:04:17] She is alert.

[01:04:17] She's watching out because the,

[01:04:21] the second she thought it might've been Caroline.

[01:04:24] Sue was like,

[01:04:24] I'll play my idol for you.

[01:04:25] If I get a whiff of it,

[01:04:27] like,

[01:04:27] I,

[01:04:27] I don't care.

[01:04:28] Nobody say,

[01:04:28] I love Sue's loyalty.

[01:04:29] Like Sue's.

[01:04:30] No,

[01:04:31] I don't think.

[01:04:34] Go ahead.

[01:04:34] It's loyal.

[01:04:35] It's like,

[01:04:36] it's like Sue was in the passenger seat.

[01:04:38] It was like,

[01:04:38] if I see any,

[01:04:40] any,

[01:04:40] any accidents,

[01:04:41] I'll let you,

[01:04:41] I'll keep my eyes.

[01:04:42] And she's like looking at Caroline.

[01:04:44] And then that,

[01:04:44] the accident is right in front of that.

[01:04:45] But they just smack into it.

[01:04:47] She was like,

[01:04:48] if I see it,

[01:04:49] I'll tell you.

[01:04:51] It's like,

[01:04:52] you know,

[01:04:52] she would let you know,

[01:04:53] but she's just not really,

[01:04:54] uh,

[01:04:55] her 45 year old eyes are key to these days.

[01:05:01] I think Sue's a really interesting person.

[01:05:04] Right.

[01:05:04] Cause like,

[01:05:05] I mean,

[01:05:05] we haven't been shown like a lot of stuff shown that Sue could,

[01:05:09] uh,

[01:05:09] potentially win,

[01:05:10] but like I'm watching Sue and I'm like,

[01:05:13] if Sue was on Reba in season 45,

[01:05:15] the survivor,

[01:05:16] Sue would be fine.

[01:05:18] She would be in a great position.

[01:05:20] We'd be talking about how she's doing.

[01:05:21] It's just unfortunate.

[01:05:22] Cause I see her game in this season.

[01:05:24] Isn't it just,

[01:05:25] I don't think it's working for the people who are currently there.

[01:05:28] You know?

[01:05:29] Yeah.

[01:05:31] You,

[01:05:32] go ahead.

[01:05:33] No,

[01:05:34] let's,

[01:05:34] I was going to say,

[01:05:35] is there a world where who casted the final vote for you to win a million

[01:05:41] dollars?

[01:05:43] Laurel.

[01:05:45] Is there a world where like,

[01:05:46] she's giving me Laurel energy and a little bit of like,

[01:05:49] there are plenty of times Laurel could have made moves to turn on people.

[01:05:52] Like,

[01:05:52] I'm just saying like,

[01:05:55] tsunami is loyal.

[01:05:56] And that's a good trait.

[01:05:57] And I,

[01:05:58] I just respect Sue a lot.

[01:06:00] And yes.

[01:06:03] yeah.

[01:06:04] I'm not a Laurel.

[01:06:05] There's gotta be enough people on the beach that like value that as well.

[01:06:09] When less people value that it's not as going to,

[01:06:12] it's going to be not as useful.

[01:06:14] You know,

[01:06:15] I think in another season,

[01:06:16] Sue's a lot more effective than we've seen on survivor 47.

[01:06:19] I just don't think it's clicking with this group of people.

[01:06:22] Unfortunately.

[01:06:24] Yeah.

[01:06:25] One thing I wanted to make note of is right at the end,

[01:06:28] at the,

[01:06:29] after the vote,

[01:06:31] when this acting is like chef's kiss and you have Sam look over at Genevieve,

[01:06:36] like Genevieve plate.

[01:06:38] And she's like,

[01:06:40] no,

[01:06:40] I'm good.

[01:06:41] And you got people looking at them like,

[01:06:43] Oh,

[01:06:44] we go flush this item.

[01:06:46] We go with this boat.

[01:06:47] Because if they're not acting right then,

[01:06:49] then,

[01:06:50] you know,

[01:06:50] the others could pull out an idol thinking something fishy is going on,

[01:06:53] but this act is extending to right before Jeff reads the boats.

[01:06:57] He's like,

[01:06:58] play it,

[01:06:59] play it.

[01:06:59] She's like,

[01:07:00] no,

[01:07:00] I think we're good.

[01:07:01] And then you start watching it all happen.

[01:07:03] I'm like,

[01:07:04] yo,

[01:07:05] this was a plan perfectly executed to,

[01:07:09] like she said,

[01:07:10] the last minute.

[01:07:11] Yeah.

[01:07:12] And that,

[01:07:13] do they all still think that Genevieve's holding onto an idol going into next week?

[01:07:19] There's never been a more effective fake idol.

[01:07:21] Has there?

[01:07:24] That's something because,

[01:07:26] because like I said,

[01:07:27] the other side has all this artillery,

[01:07:28] but now she has an idol too.

[01:07:31] Woo.

[01:07:32] Yeah.

[01:07:34] She's going to flush everything.

[01:07:36] Just hopefully not herself.

[01:07:37] One of those people win immunity.

[01:07:39] Oh,

[01:07:41] yo,

[01:07:43] that could be crazy.

[01:07:44] That would be crazy.

[01:07:45] Could we get it,

[01:07:46] man?

[01:07:46] If it's getting like,

[01:07:48] if it's getting next week,

[01:07:51] we,

[01:07:52] that would be something.

[01:07:53] I mean,

[01:07:54] it's finale part one.

[01:07:55] Do we think one person or two people are going home next week?

[01:07:57] I think two.

[01:07:58] I think two.

[01:07:59] Cause it's two,

[01:08:00] yeah,

[01:08:00] two hours.

[01:08:01] Wow.

[01:08:05] Shout out to Caroline.

[01:08:08] Caroline is a great player.

[01:08:09] And like,

[01:08:11] we got the chance to meet her a few times.

[01:08:13] Caroline is,

[01:08:13] is,

[01:08:14] is dope.

[01:08:15] She,

[01:08:16] she was a different player.

[01:08:17] And I think she was hanging in a position where she was in striking distance.

[01:08:22] Like this could have been her game.

[01:08:26] Yeah.

[01:08:27] Yeah.

[01:08:27] She never got a ton of screen time necessarily,

[01:08:29] or made any huge moves,

[01:08:31] but I think everybody watching news,

[01:08:32] she was a really solid player.

[01:08:34] And also,

[01:08:34] she was a great person,

[01:08:36] like a great ally.

[01:08:37] And so,

[01:08:39] just the victim of a crazy vote.

[01:08:42] And without that,

[01:08:42] I mean,

[01:08:43] great chance Caroline,

[01:08:45] you know,

[01:08:45] takes it all the way.

[01:08:46] I think Caroline's an interesting person too,

[01:08:49] because,

[01:08:50] you know,

[01:08:50] after,

[01:08:52] after survivor strikes TV gold,

[01:08:56] they'll say with someone on TV,

[01:08:57] right?

[01:08:57] Like,

[01:08:58] you know,

[01:08:58] there were a million Russell and Tony knockoffs,

[01:09:01] right?

[01:09:02] Like not saying Carolina people are knockoffs,

[01:09:04] but like,

[01:09:05] you know what I mean?

[01:09:06] They try to like recreate what they,

[01:09:08] they got like Carolyn,

[01:09:09] like you could point to like a Kendra or Kenzie trying to like get that magic

[01:09:13] of Carolyn back.

[01:09:14] I think the intention with Caroline specifically was to try to recapture some

[01:09:19] of the magic of Emily,

[01:09:20] right?

[01:09:21] Like there was definitely like in the early preseason interview,

[01:09:24] I was like,

[01:09:24] Oh,

[01:09:25] this,

[01:09:25] they're trying to,

[01:09:26] you know what I mean?

[01:09:26] They're just trying to do it.

[01:09:27] It's been really played because Emily's a great player.

[01:09:29] Caroline is clearly a great player.

[01:09:31] And it's been fun to see the differences in their games.

[01:09:35] And like,

[01:09:36] you know,

[01:09:37] I've,

[01:09:38] I've really enjoyed watching the differences between them where I think maybe

[01:09:41] casting's intention was to do a similar thing.

[01:09:44] Does that make sense?

[01:09:45] Do you guys like to see that?

[01:09:46] No,

[01:09:47] a thousand percent.

[01:09:50] It's so cool to watch,

[01:09:52] to watch Caroline this season.

[01:09:53] I think she played such an amazing game.

[01:09:55] I think for her,

[01:09:58] the game move may have happened one week too early,

[01:10:01] but I appreciate what she was trying to do this week in terms of placating Andy.

[01:10:05] Unfortunately,

[01:10:06] it didn't work out.

[01:10:07] And if I have to get voted out,

[01:10:11] I want it to be by the biggest blind side of the season.

[01:10:14] Like,

[01:10:14] you know,

[01:10:15] if I gotta go,

[01:10:16] take me out like that.

[01:10:17] Yeah.

[01:10:19] In a season of blind sides,

[01:10:21] that was the biggest.

[01:10:23] Yeah.

[01:10:24] I,

[01:10:24] I don't normally watch the,

[01:10:26] the trailer for next week,

[01:10:28] but the trailer for next week looks absolutely insane.

[01:10:33] And the fact that we have this Genevieve,

[01:10:39] Rachel battle of the,

[01:10:42] the,

[01:10:43] the lady sheroes,

[01:10:45] right?

[01:10:45] Like,

[01:10:46] it's like,

[01:10:46] you got the different versions of like,

[01:10:48] who can actually take,

[01:10:49] I love it.

[01:10:50] I,

[01:10:51] and I've said this last week,

[01:10:52] I think so many times in survivor,

[01:10:53] we get these like macho men.

[01:10:56] Oh,

[01:10:56] it's,

[01:10:57] it's,

[01:10:58] it's Jeremy Collins versus Dominic Abate.

[01:11:01] You know,

[01:11:02] it's like these big guys.

[01:11:04] And like,

[01:11:04] I love the fact that like,

[01:11:06] we have these ladies,

[01:11:07] like these sheroes going to battle it out.

[01:11:11] I don't know about Netflix.

[01:11:12] I don't want to know Jake Paul and Mike Tyson.

[01:11:15] I want to see the Rachel and Genevieve showdown.

[01:11:19] Sign me up.

[01:11:20] I'm here for it because,

[01:11:22] Ooh,

[01:11:23] it's just so great.

[01:11:24] Yeah.

[01:11:25] I'm curious what they're going to do with this finale,

[01:11:27] this two hour finale part one too.

[01:11:29] Like it's something,

[01:11:30] I mean,

[01:11:31] it's basically just the penultimate episode,

[01:11:34] but it's a little bit longer.

[01:11:35] Might be a couple of votes in there.

[01:11:36] So it's going to set the tempo for hopefully a fun end of the season.

[01:11:40] Does it feel like,

[01:11:41] I don't know.

[01:11:42] Like,

[01:11:42] I feel like Rachel's not going home next week because of the idol.

[01:11:45] Right.

[01:11:45] I feel like the earliest we would see Rachel go.

[01:11:49] Is it for a great,

[01:11:51] you know,

[01:11:52] I just don't,

[01:11:52] I don't like,

[01:11:53] she's just been so impressive.

[01:11:55] And like,

[01:11:55] even with her getting blindsided this week,

[01:11:57] we're,

[01:11:58] we're all still kind of like,

[01:11:59] Oh,

[01:11:59] she's not right.

[01:12:00] Didn't go her way at all,

[01:12:01] but she's fine.

[01:12:03] Yeah.

[01:12:04] But that's how I feel.

[01:12:05] Here's another thing that we didn't talk about the challenge,

[01:12:09] right?

[01:12:09] First of all,

[01:12:10] did y'all see Sam with them ball?

[01:12:11] First of all,

[01:12:12] Sam with them two balls under that net.

[01:12:14] He was like,

[01:12:17] he killed it.

[01:12:18] But here's the thing that I want to talk about Rachel.

[01:12:21] Yeah.

[01:12:21] Cause he was.

[01:12:23] Okay.

[01:12:23] Bryce.

[01:12:24] Okay.

[01:12:24] Okay.

[01:12:26] Okay.

[01:12:27] Sorry.

[01:12:27] Okay.

[01:12:27] Okay.

[01:12:28] Talk about.

[01:12:29] Sorry.

[01:12:30] Sorry.

[01:12:30] Listen,

[01:12:31] y'all want to know why Sam's a threat.

[01:12:33] Okay.

[01:12:34] Cause I got,

[01:12:35] I got some melons.

[01:12:36] Anyway.

[01:12:37] Can we talk about the effort?

[01:12:39] Less or effortlessly.

[01:12:42] What's the word?

[01:12:42] Effortlessly.

[01:12:43] Right.

[01:12:44] Yes.

[01:12:44] Rachel made that challenge.

[01:12:49] Effortlessly.

[01:12:50] Like I didn't see her sweat.

[01:12:51] I didn't see like,

[01:12:53] I was like,

[01:12:53] Oh,

[01:12:54] like,

[01:12:54] let me find out.

[01:12:55] Rachel's been holding back that she's a beast in these challenges.

[01:12:57] Like it was so easy for her to do that.

[01:13:01] I could see Rachel going on an immunity win.

[01:13:05] Like,

[01:13:05] I like just the way that she cooked everybody was kind of crazy.

[01:13:10] Yeah.

[01:13:11] There's three challenges left.

[01:13:13] I could see Rachel winning two and playing her idol for a different one.

[01:13:17] You know what I mean?

[01:13:18] Like,

[01:13:18] yeah.

[01:13:19] Yeah.

[01:13:19] I don't think she's going out to fight.

[01:13:21] Like I,

[01:13:21] I,

[01:13:22] I think if Rachel can win a fire,

[01:13:25] I think she's in the final three.

[01:13:26] I don't see how it changed.

[01:13:27] I don't see,

[01:13:28] I don't see anything stopping her.

[01:13:30] I can see Jesse G messing around and winning when she needs to next week.

[01:13:35] Okay.

[01:13:35] I could see Genevieve stepping up,

[01:13:38] whatever this next,

[01:13:39] whatever vote is.

[01:13:41] Cause like you said,

[01:13:42] we're probably going to get two votes.

[01:13:43] I could see her stepping up and winning.

[01:13:45] What I want to see these women,

[01:13:46] like they're like,

[01:13:48] it is like a heavyweight bout right now.

[01:13:50] Yeah.

[01:13:51] Yeah.

[01:13:51] And I think,

[01:13:52] yeah.

[01:13:53] I was just going to say,

[01:13:54] if I had to predict,

[01:13:55] I think it's going to be Sam at six.

[01:13:59] Genevieve at five.

[01:14:02] Yeah.

[01:14:02] I think,

[01:14:03] I think we might see Rachel and Andy in the final three,

[01:14:07] just the way that they've built them up.

[01:14:09] And I,

[01:14:09] and I want to see Andy.

[01:14:11] I think Rachel wins that.

[01:14:12] Right.

[01:14:13] I,

[01:14:13] but I want to see Andy have to pitch that case.

[01:14:15] Maybe he gets a vote or two out of like a Sam.

[01:14:19] So then at four,

[01:14:20] I mean,

[01:14:20] it comes on a fire and,

[01:14:21] and you know,

[01:14:22] you never know who's going to be in the fire.

[01:14:23] I would maybe imagine if I,

[01:14:26] I'd say maybe teeny or it's teeny or Sue.

[01:14:30] I think both could,

[01:14:31] could go,

[01:14:32] I guess,

[01:14:32] but we just heard Sue's kind of tense through the fire.

[01:14:35] Right.

[01:14:35] So,

[01:14:35] um,

[01:14:37] we haven't,

[01:14:38] yeah,

[01:14:38] we don't,

[01:14:39] we don't really know who's going to fire.

[01:14:40] Who is it?

[01:14:41] But just to call my shot,

[01:14:42] I'm going to say teeny at four.

[01:14:44] I feel like bookends,

[01:14:46] you know what I mean?

[01:14:46] Like we got that scene in episode one of,

[01:14:48] uh,

[01:14:49] Rachel and Andy to go off your point check,

[01:14:51] Rachel and Andy being like,

[01:14:52] it would be such an interesting bookend if that,

[01:14:54] if that's who's gone up against each other.

[01:14:57] Yeah.

[01:14:57] I see it because of,

[01:14:59] because of the edit we've gotten from Andy.

[01:15:01] Um,

[01:15:01] what I've been saying to people for like weeks is,

[01:15:05] um,

[01:15:05] I think we're,

[01:15:06] we're getting shown like these brighter moments of Andy's throughout the season.

[01:15:10] Now granted last episode was a tremendous moment for him,

[01:15:14] but I think they've been building him up all season,

[01:15:18] despite what like boots on the ground truly thinks of him.

[01:15:21] Like I do,

[01:15:22] I did think that people thought of him as this,

[01:15:24] you know,

[01:15:25] silly,

[01:15:25] whatever.

[01:15:26] And I think they have been boosting him up because we will see him in the final.

[01:15:29] And I think,

[01:15:30] I think like Jack said,

[01:15:32] I think we're getting Rachel and I think we're getting Andy.

[01:15:35] I could see Rachel taking it,

[01:15:37] but I could see a world where Andy finds a couple of votes.

[01:15:40] Agree.

[01:15:41] But yeah,

[01:15:41] they've also been sort of,

[01:15:42] they've been building Andy up.

[01:15:44] We've been getting a lot of Andy,

[01:15:45] but there's not to get too into like edit stuff,

[01:15:48] but a lot of it's positive.

[01:15:49] A lot of it's a little negative,

[01:15:51] right?

[01:15:51] Like he makes this great move.

[01:15:54] We see that we see the jury right after the best move of the season.

[01:15:57] The jury's like,

[01:15:58] and he's flipping again,

[01:15:59] but I will say the new era is full of complex winners.

[01:16:03] Like it's not like,

[01:16:04] like,

[01:16:05] look at Gabler,

[01:16:07] look at,

[01:16:07] um,

[01:16:08] you know,

[01:16:09] Marianne,

[01:16:10] Marianne,

[01:16:10] like Marianne,

[01:16:11] you know,

[01:16:11] she got some stuff.

[01:16:12] Oh,

[01:16:12] and Marianne's like this or that,

[01:16:14] but she's dominant player.

[01:16:17] And she won it at the final speech.

[01:16:19] And she won it at the final jury.

[01:16:21] Like,

[01:16:21] Hey,

[01:16:23] Andy,

[01:16:23] win it in the final speech.

[01:16:26] I mean,

[01:16:26] and Andy winning would be,

[01:16:27] I mean,

[01:16:28] maybe the craziest arc of any winner.

[01:16:30] Right.

[01:16:30] So I'm,

[01:16:31] I'm definitely here for it.

[01:16:33] It would just throw my mind in a,

[01:16:35] in a blunder,

[01:16:36] but it would be just a crazy storyline throughout the season.

[01:16:39] But,

[01:16:40] um,

[01:16:40] yeah,

[01:16:40] we,

[01:16:41] we shall see.

[01:16:42] Rachel's definitely in a great spot.

[01:16:43] So the last thing I'm going to say is I believe Sue was going to play her

[01:16:48] idol for Rachel at some point in time.

[01:16:53] He's going to get a red confident to find a tribal.

[01:16:56] Like,

[01:16:56] Hey,

[01:16:56] it's day 23.

[01:16:58] Yup.

[01:16:58] Go past go to day 26.

[01:17:01] Cause this is what I'm saying.

[01:17:03] Who is,

[01:17:04] no one's targeting Sue,

[01:17:06] right?

[01:17:06] Like I,

[01:17:07] again,

[01:17:07] I just feel like Sue is that motherly.

[01:17:11] She wants to protect.

[01:17:12] She tried it with Gabe,

[01:17:15] her last daughter,

[01:17:16] Caroline.

[01:17:16] And now all she has is Rachel,

[01:17:18] her stepdaughter.

[01:17:19] Right.

[01:17:19] I really just feel like,

[01:17:20] I feel like Sue is going to lay her life on the line and bequeath a

[01:17:25] idol to Rachel.

[01:17:27] Wow.

[01:17:27] I'm,

[01:17:28] I'm calling.

[01:17:29] I like that call Bryce.

[01:17:30] I like that call.

[01:17:32] That would be awesome.

[01:17:34] I hope that would be so cool.

[01:17:35] And if that happens,

[01:17:37] Jake and Jack,

[01:17:38] I'm a tech show Thursday morning,

[01:17:41] uh,

[01:17:42] that I was right.

[01:17:42] Cause you know,

[01:17:43] I'm not going to on Wednesday.

[01:17:45] I don't care.

[01:17:46] That's Jack's thing.

[01:17:47] Thank you.

[01:17:48] So I also think interesting to,

[01:17:50] to that,

[01:17:50] to that call out Bryce is Rachel's got a lot of moves on her resume right

[01:17:54] now that have kind of gone,

[01:17:55] gone unseen so far,

[01:17:57] like playing her shot in the dark with her idol in her pocket,

[01:18:00] for example.

[01:18:01] Um,

[01:18:01] I wonder if there's a world where Sue plays her idol for Rachel before

[01:18:05] Rachel even needs to play her own idol.

[01:18:08] Like maybe,

[01:18:08] maybe Sue at six is like,

[01:18:10] I'm gonna play my idol for you.

[01:18:11] Rachel plays it for Rachel.

[01:18:13] Rachel gets to play her own when I final five.

[01:18:16] Probably.

[01:18:17] And that's another thing.

[01:18:18] It's like,

[01:18:18] Oh,

[01:18:18] she could be like,

[01:18:19] Oh,

[01:18:19] I just found this idol.

[01:18:21] I'm going to play at five,

[01:18:22] keep everybody cool.

[01:18:23] Then you get to final travel council.

[01:18:25] Oh,

[01:18:25] I had this the whole time,

[01:18:26] but Sue wanted to play hers for me too.

[01:18:28] So,

[01:18:28] um,

[01:18:29] I just think Rachel's got a bunch of those little moves that it's such

[01:18:32] good new era survivor.

[01:18:33] Cause nobody knows about it.

[01:18:35] Uh,

[01:18:35] but you get,

[01:18:36] it's those things you can get to the final travel council.

[01:18:38] No one knows about it.

[01:18:39] You drop a bomb kind of like what D did,

[01:18:42] you know,

[01:18:42] during 45.

[01:18:43] Yeah.

[01:18:44] It's,

[01:18:44] it's,

[01:18:45] it's really,

[01:18:46] it's just good.

[01:18:47] It's good gameplay.

[01:18:48] So hopefully Rachel,

[01:18:49] it would be,

[01:18:49] I think that's a great call just from the trajectory of the game race,

[01:18:52] but also would add so much flavor to.

[01:18:57] Yeah.

[01:18:58] And it's just like,

[01:19:00] I love the way Rachel has managed her threat level,

[01:19:03] uh,

[01:19:03] this whole game.

[01:19:04] And it's like,

[01:19:05] uh,

[01:19:05] she's just constantly been working from her backs against the wall,

[01:19:10] even in situations where it's not,

[01:19:12] she still has that drive and keeping herself low.

[01:19:16] Uh,

[01:19:17] and I think that that's something that a lot of the new winners in this

[01:19:21] season do.

[01:19:22] So it's like,

[01:19:23] potentially could she be somebody,

[01:19:25] but again,

[01:19:26] I,

[01:19:26] um,

[01:19:27] I want Rachel to win,

[01:19:28] but I want the Andy art.

[01:19:30] If,

[01:19:30] and like,

[01:19:31] like I'm calling it now.

[01:19:34] If Andy wins,

[01:19:36] I will get a tattoo on my left,

[01:19:38] but that says Andy,

[01:19:40] because like,

[01:19:41] I like that's some toy story shit.

[01:19:46] This tattoo of yours,

[01:19:47] Bryce,

[01:19:49] you will go with me,

[01:19:50] Wendell.

[01:19:50] Uh,

[01:19:51] but that's how excited I would be for Andy.

[01:19:53] Uh,

[01:19:54] because it's just like,

[01:19:55] Ooh,

[01:19:57] would you really do that?

[01:19:58] I would.

[01:20:00] Damn.

[01:20:00] We're going to have to hold you live on the podcast.

[01:20:04] Get that ass out.

[01:20:06] You know what I want to say about,

[01:20:08] uh,

[01:20:08] Rachel real quick is that she does a great job of keeping cool under pressure.

[01:20:11] She's been under pressure at numerous points in the game.

[01:20:13] And,

[01:20:14] and you know,

[01:20:15] when you're fronted with like,

[01:20:17] as a human being,

[01:20:18] Hey,

[01:20:18] you might lose your opportunity for a million dollars.

[01:20:21] Now keep a cool head.

[01:20:23] That's a tough position to be in.

[01:20:24] And Rachel's been in that position numerous times.

[01:20:26] And it's,

[01:20:27] it's been able to act like masterfully under pressure.

[01:20:31] And I just think it's wicked impressive what she's been able to do.

[01:20:35] Yeah.

[01:20:36] So we got Rachel and,

[01:20:37] and Andy as,

[01:20:38] I guess,

[01:20:38] potential front runners,

[01:20:39] but I also think going into these final episodes,

[01:20:42] a Genevieve or Sam come from behind wind would also be really fun to watch.

[01:20:47] I think,

[01:20:47] I think we're going to end up with someone in that final three that makes it

[01:20:50] really exciting.

[01:20:51] If not,

[01:20:51] you know,

[01:20:52] multiple people.

[01:20:53] And again,

[01:20:54] as much as I'm rooting for Andy and I'm rooting for Rachel,

[01:20:58] the arc of a Sam or a Genevieve after what we've seen the last,

[01:21:02] like,

[01:21:03] they could ride that wave.

[01:21:05] And it's like,

[01:21:06] you see the jury,

[01:21:08] right?

[01:21:08] Like that might even get the jury a little more invested in a ride like

[01:21:13] that.

[01:21:13] So it really is anybody's game,

[01:21:16] but,

[01:21:16] um,

[01:21:20] nobody.

[01:21:21] Jeez.

[01:21:22] It's such a good season.

[01:21:24] Nobody wants to finish that.

[01:21:26] Finish your sentence,

[01:21:28] Bryce.

[01:21:28] Anyone's game,

[01:21:29] but what?

[01:21:29] It's anybody's game at this point.

[01:21:34] But what's a ride.

[01:21:37] But that's where I will get Andy's tattoo.

[01:21:40] If he,

[01:21:43] but listen,

[01:21:44] let's just say this episode 12 was amazing.

[01:21:47] It's great.

[01:21:48] Jake.

[01:21:48] We can't thank you enough for stopping by,

[01:21:51] uh,

[01:21:51] and pulling up on us for the podcast this week.

[01:21:54] And in Boston,

[01:21:55] if you are around and listening,

[01:21:58] uh,

[01:21:59] we have two more stops left on the Bryson one tour.

[01:22:02] 47 or part one of the finale will be in Washington,

[01:22:04] DC,

[01:22:05] December 11th and all roads lead to the finale.

[01:22:08] December 18th.

[01:22:10] We will be in Brooklyn,

[01:22:12] New York.

[01:22:12] We are having a welcome karaoke party on that Tuesday.

[01:22:15] tickets are available on the Bryce and win present Instagram and Twitter.

[01:22:20] We'll see you next week.

[01:22:21] Thanks,

[01:22:21] Jack.

[01:22:22] Thanks Jake.

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