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[00:03:13] Your baby boys are back from Chicago and we are here to break down all of Survivor season 46 episode 9.

[00:03:25] It got crazy. Oh my god I was screaming at the end so much to unpack.

[00:03:29] I'm so excited to be here with Wendell Holland the winner of Ghost Island Jack Atkins from Netflix The Circle season 2 and we are joined this week by the winner of season 44 Jam Jam.

[00:03:42] We are all giving our thoughts giving our opinions giving our predictions as to how someone has a path to the end.

[00:03:50] We're talking about tribal. Let's get in to this week's Survivor News.

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[00:04:22] Hello hello and welcome to this week's Survivor News covering Survivor season 46 episode 9.

[00:04:30] We are so excited this week we are joined by our favorite baby boy Jack Atkins from The Circle season 2.

[00:04:38] What's poppin?

[00:04:39] What's up Bryce? What's up? I'm so excited for this episode.

[00:04:42] We had another good one following off of banger last week.

[00:04:45] We got a great guest today too so I'm very excited to get into this one.

[00:04:49] Yes let's also welcome the winner of Survivor season 36 the first merged boot of winners at war.

[00:04:57] He is a goat coming on Amazon Prime very very soon and and.

[00:05:06] A co-host of the official Survivor screening of a pre panel early at Chicago State University when DZ was popping.

[00:05:17] Good to be here thanks glad to be back it's awesome reporting live from Chicago.

[00:05:22] Yes now listen can we get a drum roll from Jack and Wendell.

[00:05:27] Let's bring to the purple pants podcast Survivor News the first ever real official winner the podcast has ever seen.

[00:05:39] From season 44 the one the only the jam to the jam.

[00:05:49] The double Y.

[00:05:50] Yes how you doing oh my god I'm so excited.

[00:05:53] I'm happy you finally found my phone number you're all the decks.

[00:05:58] We always have your number.

[00:06:05] How are you jam.

[00:06:07] Oh I'm super happy and so excited.

[00:06:09] Oh today was a little messy at work we have no power we work with a generator but I'm so excited to party with you and like talk about the most amazing thing ever.

[00:06:18] That on TV is the Survivor and I love.

[00:06:22] I'm so excited to have you here jam before we get into episode nine we have some housekeeping Wendell and I were just in Chicago and we have to give a huge shout out to CBS and my Cagayan sister Jatia because CBS had the baby boys hosting an official pre screening of the show.

[00:06:43] This Tuesday at Chicago State University and we had some amazing people there some amazing fans some amazing students it was so much fun to be there with CBS Wendy Z.

[00:06:54] What you think about the pre screening.

[00:06:57] I think it was a special episode to have a pre screening first of all because it was another fun one this season is obviously gotten really good really fast but what was really special to me was the pre screening.

[00:07:08] To host a survivor event a CBS event.

[00:07:11] We do a lot of survivor events on our own with price and when and for you know the big dogs to reach out to us to kind of partner with them it just felt really special and it made for a great time.

[00:07:29] Absolutely and if you were ever in the area of the show I would be glad to be here.

[00:07:35] Absolutely and if you were in Chicago last night Wednesday at the Bryce and when it's Bryce the Wind official watch party of the BWP tour 36 baby Chicago Chicago Chicago we had a time.

[00:07:52] The one thing that we love about our Bryce and when events you never know you might see jam jam you know you never know who you might see at a Bryce and when event and we were just so excited to have Taylor Xavier.

[00:08:05] Zander Austin so many people at the event Chicago showed out and showed up it was really giving Jack.

[00:08:15] A Zaddy fest in my opinion three had a Zaddy okay.

[00:08:22] You know I know jam had loved to been in this picture with me.

[00:08:27] I would have been on top of you right there you're like that's my spot right there on the cloud.

[00:08:31] Oh my gosh it was so good to see like Liana and Zander so good to see Andy and the rest of the survivor community.

[00:08:41] It was so good just to see so many people and so many amazing fans there are so many people from the University of Chicago Jack they was giving me some ish like hey we agree with Jack we like so you have some real hands in the building yes.

[00:08:56] From Chicago from Chicago State.

[00:08:59] From the school that you went to there was a beautiful black sister and her brother and she was like baby boy I gotta let you know.

[00:09:06] I'm sorry with Jack I don't know what y'all thing is with the what's your mascot your maroon.

[00:09:14] Ferocious color rather.

[00:09:18] So Chicago truly was such an amazing time when DZ what you feel about Chicago.

[00:09:23] It was special like you said Andy was there winner of Big Brother which season 1315 if you recall and he's a big he's a big survivor fan and he is big on the Twitter's and he had a little beef with the entire cast of 46 so it was good to get him out there and.

[00:09:43] So people had some words for him but he is he's he's awesome and he's awesome and he's a great sport so it was great to see him.

[00:09:51] But yeah Chicago this was one of those special stops where people just like people came out of the woodwork I know a lot of you have seen squid game the challenge our buddy Trey was here player 301 you might remember the gentleman on squid game that had his mother with him.

[00:10:06] That's true so it was good to see him and apparently his mother might pop out to one of our events coming up.

[00:10:13] Oh that's exciting I hope I'm there I want to meet her.

[00:10:17] Yeah I've never had so much FOMO for an event be you know have been in Chicago my city not only you guys but some other friends my Chicago friends and I mean the fact that CBS had you guys host that private screening that's like a wonderful time to be here.

[00:10:33] I'm very excited for you guys that and hopefully they do some more of that in the future but yeah I'm excited you know I'll be out in New York City for the finale and there's something about those multi day events I was saying before we started the podcast like Chicago and like New York where.

[00:10:48] You have multiple days when it's one night if it feels like the night just get started and then before you know what the episodes over but multiple nights so you get you get the meet and greet or the pre party Tuesday then the weekend.

[00:11:00] And some other stuff Thursday so I'm very excited for what's to come.

[00:11:07] Yes and just shout out to our just entire reality TV family from Darnell from season survivor Koran from Jessica from Survivor from Matt Hoffman from Liana from Austin from Xander there's so many amazing people there and you know.

[00:11:23] Karishma from a razor amazing.

[00:11:26] Karishma from Amazing Race was in the building it was just so many TV crossovers and so like you know when it was telling me to tell y'all don't have FOMO no reason to have FOMO when you could just go we got Boston we got Philadelphia okay and word on the block is.

[00:11:47] Tell him.

[00:11:48] Jamil.

[00:11:49] Jam will be in Philadelphia and then we have the finale so I mean.

[00:11:55] I mean if anybody have never been to a party you know you have to be at the Bryce and Wendell presents whatever they want to do you have to be there and if I can make it from Puerto Rico.

[00:12:06] And make it anywhere you better make it.

[00:12:08] You know it's crazy jam about our Philadelphia event jams first ever Philly event that he should not have even been at.

[00:12:17] You met Jack Jack was there like that was so well we were all together and I what I find so interesting is that when we first met you jam you were so like quiet and we're like you know it's like hi.

[00:12:26] And then as the night went on we got to meet Jam Jam and oh my God it was so much fun it was my first ever whatever party from coming from you know playing the game.

[00:12:37] Living in Puerto Rico I will watch all the like promos and stuff I never made a party I never made it to a party I never made it to a party I never made it to a party I never made it to a party.

[00:12:46] So I went as a player and you guys met me and I remember meeting you Wendell and Bryce and you were guys so tall obviously Jaguar so tall but I was like oh my God you guys are so big.

[00:12:55] My cast is like the tiniest cast ever and it was such a fun time and yeah memories still have a life time.

[00:13:03] Absolutely.

[00:13:04] I also want to go down memory lane jam because I think you also went to Boston with us before and Wendell always tells me this story where he's like I never really got how like open the community was until one night we're in Boston and Wendell's like I'm looking at the crowd and he's like oh my God you guys are so big.

[00:13:19] Yeah.

[00:13:44] So Boston that that very event I don't know if Boston was before or after Philly because obviously it was the season before your season so that was 43.

[00:13:55] It was after Philly yeah it was my second one though and Bryce and Wendell.

[00:13:59] And Jam starts popping up at these events and I'm like and then you know as the night goes on Jam starts coming out of his shell.

[00:14:06] Yeah.

[00:14:07] I don't know him but I love him and he's awesome.

[00:14:11] And then of course at the end of the season we see your promo and you got that what did you say in the promo for whatever the next season.

[00:14:19] I'm so excited I can't wait to meet Jeff I can't wait to the shower no brush my teeth poop in the ocean bring it.

[00:14:26] And I'm like you know what this is going to be a great season and it lived up to the hype and you and you won so Jam we you know we love you and we appreciate you and you are one of those special people in the community.

[00:14:39] Thank you for adopting me I really feel like this is like a real family it's weird you know you see it from afar you think it doesn't happen even if you're not like on a reality show or whatever.

[00:14:48] If you're like a big fan you can see them over and over again at these events and they basically become part of one of us one of you and it's because all the effort that you guys put into your super amazing obviously the VIP parties are like the best to like meet people.

[00:15:03] Like one on one then if they're in the party like old people young people everybody family singles people who got there I don't know how you make friends for a lifetime.

[00:15:12] I've heard of so many people that go to these parties by themselves one year and then the next year they just keep hanging out together and they become real friends and that's what it's all about you know and that's why I go.

[00:15:23] It was like why are you always on a plane and I was like if you guys come with me to one.

[00:15:29] Yes.

[00:15:31] You summed it up perfectly yeah Jam because that's the truth.

[00:15:34] So I do.

[00:15:35] And also shout out to Q because you know Q happened to be in Chicago and baby.

[00:15:42] What an episode for Q to be there.

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[00:15:53] 21 Atkins please take it away.

[00:15:57] Oh my gosh what an honor.

[00:16:01] Yeah you texted me after the screening and you were like I'm excited to hear your thoughts and so I knew I was going to be in for a bumpy ride strapped on my seat belt through on my Q skirt and settle in for grab my popcorn.

[00:16:12] And man it was a really it was another really fun one after the last one.

[00:16:17] Yeah so we kick it off we get back to camp after the wild previous tribal work Q asked to quit and you know there was a lot of predictions and talk you know about the

[00:16:37] Did Q do this on purpose? Is Q going to say oh this was all a plan?

[00:16:40] I was kind of surprised he was pretty humble and said I messed up like I made a mistake and I made a mistake at tribal asking to quit because I don't really want to quit.

[00:16:47] He kind of owned up to the disaster of his tribal council but people are still upset.

[00:16:51] I mean Tiffany's upset that he's not going to quit.

[00:16:54] I guess before we get into some of the more some of the other effects of this tribal council what do we think about you know sort of Q's reaction and then sort of Tiffany's situation with Q at this point?

[00:17:13] Well it was I haven't I was Tiffany was nice.

[00:17:16] Yeah they blurred a little bit of the f-word when she was like on the night like handling and she was mad I would have not talked to him the rest of the whole time.

[00:17:27] No good for me I was so freaking mad as a player if you're there you commit to it.

[00:17:33] Don't be trying like a busy and then trying to f everybody's game because you have like another way to see it.

[00:17:38] I think she was right on just disconnecting with her and just like you know distancing herself from him because there's no way was such a big like oops or like whatever.

[00:17:49] I think she was right on just disconnecting with her and just like you know distancing herself from him because there's no way was such a big like oops or like whatever he did to try to do his game his way that there's no going back and there's no faking it.

[00:18:10] And there's like you know it happened to me on the game was like with Josh I tried you know but once I saw I was the one out then I was the Q.

[00:18:18] I need to fix it but if I'm the one with the people then I don't need you.

[00:18:22] You know that's what I think. Yeah that and more.

[00:18:27] I feel like Q trying to cue us because I feel like at the beginning of the episode it was very much like it's my fault.

[00:18:39] I did it. I can't tell them went out.

[00:18:42] I can't let them. I can't. I can't have them go out like that.

[00:18:45] But as the episode goes on, you hear more huge confessionals.

[00:18:51] He returns to uppercase Q.

[00:18:54] He returns to uppercase Q like my back hit the wall.

[00:18:58] I do I do. I was just like.

[00:19:02] What's happening. So I don't know.

[00:19:06] I don't know. I don't know. But what I can say is is that at The Last Tribal, Q said he wanted to reset the game and Bae Bae he unplugged the PlayStation.

[00:19:21] He cut the power off at Jam Salon and that's a freaking mess.

[00:19:27] We run it on a generator right now because I don't know.

[00:19:32] I don't know what he did.

[00:19:35] He just shook everything.

[00:19:38] He was like an earthquake with a capital Q like the man.

[00:19:42] He he just he has this ability to just shake everything up.

[00:19:46] And what's crazy is this.

[00:19:48] We saw him get how many five, six votes at the end.

[00:19:52] I could still and usually when that happens, like you're the next person to be voted out and I could see that.

[00:19:57] But I could also see a world where this crazy man or these crazy now like he has jumbled everybody's lives up.

[00:20:05] So I could see a world where now they're like, you know what?

[00:20:08] Tipped out of idle. She is the threat or Kenzie was going against against him.

[00:20:12] She's the threat or I could still see or we want to get to the end with Q because no one's going to vote for him.

[00:20:17] So I still see a world where he's out.

[00:20:20] And what's crazy is I could still see a world where Q sits at the end and wins the game.

[00:20:27] I would hate that when the game I don't know.

[00:20:32] It would take a certain combination of people from for me to see you winning the game because like you said,

[00:20:39] he effectively tanked his game last week and sort of to the debate we had last week.

[00:20:45] He's almost on that level with Venus where people are not worried about getting them out now because they're like,

[00:20:50] well, they're not good. They're not. They're so chaotic.

[00:20:53] No one wants to work with them. So they're not really a problem right now.

[00:20:56] And they're not really a problem, a threat to win.

[00:20:59] But obviously, if there's a few people on that level, they could all get to the end together.

[00:21:03] And then it's like what what happens then?

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[00:22:39] Can we talk about Venus though? Like, you know, I love Venus this episode where she like, so, y'all trying to, you know, put the band back together and see what's up.

[00:22:55] And then effectively they're like, nah, we good. Venus is like, well, y'all don't understand the game. Y'all suck.

[00:23:04] And if you try to get with the winning squad, get with me.

[00:23:09] I don't care what nobody says. I don't care whether Venus wins the game or whether Venus is out next week or whatever.

[00:23:16] She is a queen and she is legendary.

[00:23:19] And I just have so much love for mother Venus for no matter the situation, no matter if she's at the top or the bottom, she always want to come in confident and with a plan.

[00:23:34] She's definitely good TV. She's definitely like good, like entertaining to watch her confessionals.

[00:23:39] The way she approached people with her confidence, like not thinking that they're going to get mad at her or even like she already knows their hitter.

[00:23:46] So she doesn't give, you know, two cents about it. But she's like, she goes straight to Hunter.

[00:23:53] I was like, well, you bought it for me? I was like, cause they don't like it.

[00:23:55] I was like, well, you didn't have to do it. So Karma is a bitch, you know, and she's like keep popping and popping and popping and popping.

[00:24:01] And I love her. I love her. Yeah. I don't know if she wins.

[00:24:04] I don't know if she does whatever well or not.

[00:24:07] But the way at least that story is being told through her eyes on the waist.

[00:24:11] Like, oh my God, look at the one on the one and out from Nami from the day one.

[00:24:14] And now she's basically her own list.

[00:24:17] And we don't know what happened with Liz next episode because that preview was like crazy.

[00:24:20] So yeah, it's cool to watch.

[00:24:23] And I just really amaze me beautiful person in person and as a character on TV, really fun.

[00:24:30] So do we have a world where Venus can win?

[00:24:34] No, I don't think so.

[00:24:38] I think she could win next to Q and Liz.

[00:24:44] Yeah, maybe Liz.

[00:24:46] Nobody really think with Liz is also she's like.

[00:24:49] I just I don't know what happened that the preview like threw me off with Liz.

[00:24:53] So I don't know that I do want to say like Venus as always great TV.

[00:24:58] I thought it was so funny when Hunter was like, well, I just threw in a vote for you because I knew no one would get mad.

[00:25:04] She was like, well, I'm mad. He's like, but you're always mad.

[00:25:07] So honestly, not wrong in strategy wise.

[00:25:12] But Venus, you know, she's not afraid to play hard.

[00:25:14] So that's not someone even though she has a lot of allies in the game, it's still not someone I would want to be on the wrong side of things with.

[00:25:23] But can I ask you a question?

[00:25:26] Because I need because you all guys, in my opinion, are the Mount Rushmore survivor.

[00:25:32] We got Jam. We got Wendy's and we got Chad.

[00:25:37] OK, one of these is not like the other.

[00:25:40] What are these? It's not like the other.

[00:25:42] And tell me why Jack and Jam should be there and went to.

[00:25:47] But I need to know your thought on Liz.

[00:25:54] Like, yeah, this is this.

[00:25:57] That's what I wanted to talk about next.

[00:25:58] So I'm glad that you're asking about it because it's like I like Liz.

[00:26:02] Like, I mean, I think.

[00:26:04] But after I seen the preview and this episode at this point, I kind of am like, hmm, I could understand the the soda dilemma.

[00:26:19] And then we get to this.

[00:26:21] And now it's like, I understand why you're mad at Q.

[00:26:24] But I don't know the word.

[00:26:28] Yeah, I was I was kind of itching to talk about this because I think Liz is Liz has started to arrive as a play like as a presence.

[00:26:36] But I think the way that she views the game is not really accurate.

[00:26:44] I think that's like a testament to a big issue we've seen this season of every there's so much talk this season about getting credit for your moves.

[00:26:52] I mean, we see it multiple times this episode.

[00:26:54] We've seen it previously.

[00:26:56] And the fact that Liz gets so emotional and upset about Q overshadowing her move to me, that was actually beneficial for her game.

[00:27:07] Right. She kind of is this like the one spearheading the Tevin vote.

[00:27:12] And we see time and time again, even last week with Tevin going home, if you're the one who makes a big move and takes the credit for it, that's a recipe to be thrown into the crosshairs next.

[00:27:23] And so Q effectively tanking his own game at this tribal where she pulls off this move that doesn't take any credit away from her orchestrating the Tevin blindside.

[00:27:32] Right. She could go to the final tribal council and say, Hey, I was the one who really put my foot down and made this move happen.

[00:27:37] Q. What would Q say? Like, well, actually, I tried to quit and that distracted everybody.

[00:27:42] So you should actually vote for me.

[00:27:44] To me, I think that was a great thing for Liz where you make this move and then you almost do a little ala Gabler and you could drift back into the background.

[00:27:52] But for some reason, she seems so set on getting credit.

[00:27:56] And that's just been an issue with a lot of the players all season.

[00:27:58] I think that's why this season is so messy, is people are desperate for credit in the moment when in reality make your move, tuck it away, bring it to final tribal council and then let it and then take the credit for it.

[00:28:09] Yeah, because at the end, at the end, it's obviously you have to make it to the end.

[00:28:13] It's what I said when I was on the game was like the strategies get to the final jury.

[00:28:18] Right. And then when you're there, you control the narrative depending on who's there with you, because the story can be different.

[00:28:24] I think that I've been there with Carson.

[00:28:25] Probably my argument would have been different, but he wasn't there.

[00:28:28] Right. So I'm going back to Liz.

[00:28:31] Yeah, she needs to chill out and don't get it too seriously.

[00:28:33] She knew what she did.

[00:28:34] Get there to the end.

[00:28:35] Don't ruffle feathers.

[00:28:36] Don't get it personal.

[00:28:38] If you take anything personal, then obviously like you cloud your judgment.

[00:28:43] But the thing with Liz and the way I see her playing the game because she was in such a powerful tribe as she was always winning.

[00:28:49] When you are in other tribes and you don't know the dynamics, you just know gossip of what happened.

[00:28:54] But then you have a person on this big group that comes and goes like I'm willing to vote this person out.

[00:29:00] Everybody that's in the other tribe is like perfect.

[00:29:02] So you're not with them. You want to vote them out?

[00:29:04] I want to vote them out.

[00:29:05] And she's just like climbing a little bit, but also staying by herself.

[00:29:10] Right. Because she's willing to tell other people I'm going to vote people from my original tribe.

[00:29:15] But she's also alone.

[00:29:17] Right. So I don't know what that means in the future.

[00:29:21] And I don't think she should value the fact that she's like controlling the votes because she's putting people to be sacrificed.

[00:29:29] But there are also her numbers.

[00:29:30] So I don't know why she's going to think that's going to I don't know if she knows that's going to affect her in the future.

[00:29:36] Because then if she gets at the end with Ben, Charlie and Maria and then Tensie and Tiffany and then she's there by herself.

[00:29:43] She could keep climbing, but they can also go like let's vote her out because she's the only NAMI and all the jury is NAMI.

[00:29:51] They're going to vote for her to win.

[00:29:53] You know, that's what we did in 44.

[00:29:55] Like we didn't want Lauren or Jamie there because all everybody was from their tribe.

[00:29:59] They were going to get all their votes.

[00:30:01] But I don't know if she's aware of that.

[00:30:04] She should be paying that everybody at this point needs to know why they're putting people in the jury.

[00:30:08] And I don't know if they're doing it for the right reasons.

[00:30:11] Yeah, I agree.

[00:30:14] I agree so much.

[00:30:17] But I also feel like there's and I want to be nice.

[00:30:20] But I also get from sometimes seeing Liz's complaints.

[00:30:26] I'd be kind of looking at it kind of like is given.

[00:30:32] Can I speak to the manager?

[00:30:34] It's like, I don't know.

[00:30:36] No, I don't like that.

[00:30:39] No, but I don't know.

[00:30:41] I'm with you, Bryce.

[00:30:42] And also like what you said, Jam, with like Lauren and Jamie on your season.

[00:30:48] I don't know if it's a case that we're just not seeing the whole story.

[00:30:53] Oh, yeah.

[00:30:54] Like, you know what I mean?

[00:30:55] And so like when we're seeing her be so mad and so upset like me as a viewer, I'm like, well, girl, I haven't seen anything.

[00:31:03] So it's like, it's hard for me to put my tongue on the pole.

[00:31:10] Whoa, your tongue, the pole.

[00:31:14] What?

[00:31:15] I've never heard that was a problem.

[00:31:18] I never heard you said that was a problem that Bryce had.

[00:31:23] The most sexual analogy.

[00:31:26] Yeah, you just made that one up.

[00:31:28] It's only sexual because you thought it was when they thank you.

[00:31:31] That's not afraid.

[00:31:33] No, it's the first thing that drops.

[00:31:36] That's what Bryce said at the challenge after Hunter hung backwards last week.

[00:31:40] No, but it's I don't know.

[00:31:43] But I like Liz and I like what she is.

[00:31:45] But for me, it's like the way that her argument is and how strong she's going.

[00:31:50] I as a viewer that is just watching the show, I don't have enough justifications for it.

[00:31:56] So it's hard for me to like want to be on Liz's side.

[00:32:01] Yeah, exactly.

[00:32:02] I think the thing that we see in the preview, I think the thing that she's complaining about about this whole credit thing is not a justifiable reason.

[00:32:10] And we see it with other play like Tiff too.

[00:32:13] I mean, obviously, I understand being upset with Q.

[00:32:16] Right.

[00:32:17] But I think there becomes a point when you have to stop being like, oh, you ruined my game.

[00:32:21] My game's over because that's sort of like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[00:32:24] If you're just like my game is in the in the shitter, like you got to be like, like it's reasonable to be mad at Q.

[00:32:31] It's reasonable not to work with Q.

[00:32:32] But if you just go around telling everyone that your game's ruined, I think that kind of gives a bad perception about your gameplay.

[00:32:38] Now, I think this is a great player.

[00:32:40] But I'm just like and that's with Liz too is like when you're like, oh, you ruined my game.

[00:32:44] My game is shot.

[00:32:45] Everyone's big. Oh, they're saying their game is bad.

[00:32:49] They're saying their games over.

[00:32:50] Now, Jack, I got a clock in for this one because I don't see the comparison with Tiffany.

[00:32:59] I don't because if anything, I feel like Tiffany of all people of this season is the victim of being a great and loyal player to the point that like you've got people tanking your game because you're loyal.

[00:33:18] And you now people are jumping ship.

[00:33:21] Now we got Kenzie like saying, well, shoot is is if we if we're at the shitter, it's time to pull Tiffany because like Tiffany playing a great game.

[00:33:35] Stella, that wasn't I wasn't a complaint about anything else about Tiffany's game.

[00:33:39] It's more so about like there's a certain level of when someone messes up your game like you can't just keep.

[00:33:46] And this is this is more Liz because we see it happens next episode.

[00:33:49] It's more Liz.

[00:33:50] Well, but it's it's a to me.

[00:33:52] It's like at some point and maybe Tiff did the right amount of complaining.

[00:33:55] Right. Maybe it seemed like she stopped.

[00:33:57] But it's sort of like at some point to be like, you know, it's the final nine.

[00:34:01] You're like, oh, my game's ruined.

[00:34:03] And you just kind of repeat that narrative for me.

[00:34:05] I'd be like, it's not ruined.

[00:34:07] You're still you're still here.

[00:34:08] Like you could.

[00:34:09] But anyways, I want to is in that category.

[00:34:12] I think it's like, yo, for a minute, I feel like she was.

[00:34:15] No, you have the right to respond to someone actually putting your business way out there.

[00:34:20] And I think that's yeah.

[00:34:21] She was like that like because an idol on the low could be a game winning thing for her.

[00:34:28] But now it's out there to where she almost wants to burn.

[00:34:32] You can actually absolutely you have the right to respond to someone doing that.

[00:34:37] But I think Tiff is the person that responds and also starts playing.

[00:34:41] I don't think she's going to sit in the what was made there.

[00:34:43] I don't think so either.

[00:34:44] That was just more of a like a loose comparison of either.

[00:34:48] Like and it seems like she's I mean, Tiff had a great episode.

[00:34:51] So that's why I don't I'm not going to harp on it.

[00:34:53] But to me, it's just like there's only so much right.

[00:34:56] Like Liz next week, if she's talking, I assume this is her talking to Q about, hey, two votes ago, you took the credit of my move.

[00:35:05] Right. So, you know, three, four days later, you can't be like, what was me?

[00:35:10] My game's ruined. Q, you like you took my move.

[00:35:12] Right. You have to move on. And so that's why I think Liz is really struggling.

[00:35:15] But back to what Jam Jam was saying, too, about Liz and this again, I think Liz in this episode is an example of an issue that a lot of players this season are having is that people are making moves.

[00:35:28] But the moves a lot of time are taking out your own ally.

[00:35:31] And because because it works for everybody else, they're down.

[00:35:36] But that doesn't really mean you like masterfully orchestrated a move just because you blindsided your closest or one of your closer allies when it didn't make sense for you.

[00:35:44] Right. Like I think this week, Kenzie wanting to target Tiff didn't make any sense.

[00:35:49] Like it could have been a good blind side from a blind side standpoint.

[00:35:53] But from a strategic standpoint, I don't understand.

[00:35:55] Everyone in the season seems to have an obsession with taking out their closest ally other than maybe like a Maria and a Charlie or a Hunter and a Tevin.

[00:36:04] But it's like at the final nine, the final 10, the final 11, you need to have people around you that are going to stick with you, not make moves on your allies just because they're threats.

[00:36:15] But Kenzie's been doing that since they were the annual.

[00:36:18] Kenzie did it way early when she went to Jess and Banu and she was like, let's take Tiffany and Hugh out.

[00:36:25] And then Banu and Jess were like went to the other two and they were like, Kenzie is going after you.

[00:36:31] She's been doing it. I guess it's her idea of how she should play the game.

[00:36:39] And maybe she planned that when she was going to Fiji to play.

[00:36:42] And that's what I'm going to do and this is what I'm going to do.

[00:36:45] I mean, I think she's a great player, but sometimes you need to like control yourself and know who you're saying it to, how many people test the water out.

[00:36:54] Don't say to three people at a time that don't have anything going down together.

[00:36:58] But you know, one of them is going to go to the extra person and talk to the other person because the other two already know and you want your ally to know.

[00:37:04] And then the other ally have more friends on the other side.

[00:37:06] Yeah, I think if she was going to do it, she needed to tippy toe with somebody that was going to commit to making it work and not throwing it out there in front of three people.

[00:37:18] You need to like, you know, test the waters, you know, because in front of three people, everybody's going to go like, yes.

[00:37:26] Nobody's going to tell her, wait a minute. Are you sure? Let's figure it out. Let's count the thing. Let's play it out.

[00:37:33] So, yeah, she's got a little excited.

[00:37:36] It would have been really cool to watch, but I don't think it would have. I don't think she did it the right way.

[00:37:42] I think Kenzie is an awesome character.

[00:37:45] I think she's a very solid survivor player.

[00:37:49] I do see some cracks in that like sometimes she keeps it funky with people and like instead of just being fake with them,

[00:37:58] like in this episode, like I think whatever she said with Q is just like, bro, like get out of here.

[00:38:03] You know, it's like she didn't even give him the time of the day.

[00:38:06] And it's like, man, if you're just fake with this man, then at the end, he won't remember that one.

[00:38:12] He might not remember the conversation.

[00:38:14] But I say all that to say when I say I think Kenzie is an awesome character because she does bring that to the table and like her eye rolls or her like snide remarks.

[00:38:23] She's one of these characters that I don't want to call her a villain, but there's something like antagonistic.

[00:38:31] Yeah, yeah, I enjoy it.

[00:38:34] And the way she narrates and her phrases, I'm sorry, are like super fun and super memorable.

[00:38:40] Sorry. No, no. Right. I agree with you, Jam.

[00:38:42] And I agree with you, Wendell. But also it's so interesting.

[00:38:44] Right. Because I first of all, I was well, I mean, she is my winner piece.

[00:38:51] But I want blood for Kenzie for doing what you did to Tiffany.

[00:38:56] Right. So kids, are you not off the hook?

[00:38:58] Spicy, spicy is going to clock in.

[00:39:01] However, this is why I kind of respect Kenzie after that tribal last week.

[00:39:09] And we see how chaotic everything is.

[00:39:16] I wonder if Kenzie is looking at herself and looking at everyone like, well, there's a possibility that like you might be on the jury or you might be at the end.

[00:39:24] And it's like maybe I actually need to make a move to differentiate myself.

[00:39:32] So like when she said to vote Tiffany, I said, Bish, what?

[00:39:37] But also, in my opinion, that's like a move of like a cold blooded gangster killer.

[00:39:46] And I'm like, maybe maybe outside of my is the look of her pose and how she looked.

[00:39:54] I'm like, maybe Kenzie has I don't know that.

[00:39:58] That just says something to me. And again, it's like you could look at it like, girl, what you doing?

[00:40:02] But also it's like eat or be eaten.

[00:40:05] And if that's what I got to do, I would love to know, Jam, what do you think of the comparison or what?

[00:40:12] How would you compare the Tinka three to the yarn?

[00:40:17] The Tinka three is way superior.

[00:40:24] I mean, the general three are no general three anymore.

[00:40:27] The pick up the word to get to the end. And I know at the end they made it look like I wanted Carolyn out.

[00:40:31] I was just playing the idea around because I know Carolyn is way more logical than what she was showing during the game.

[00:40:38] But on the thing with I let you through me.

[00:40:43] I was like, I'm going to say this way he's done and then you brought the pick up three and I'm like, um, so I did the thing with the Tinka three is like

[00:40:53] we were always working together behind the scenes and nobody knew we were playing behind the scenes.

[00:40:59] And that's why I think we were such a good trio.

[00:41:02] Everybody thought Carolyn and I were always fighting.

[00:41:06] Everybody thought Carson was with Ratu because he switched to Ratu.

[00:41:10] And we were always letting people have their choice, the two groups.

[00:41:16] And then we were jumping to what was benefiting us. Right.

[00:41:21] And that's why we got to the end. I don't think Yanu is working that coherent together.

[00:41:25] I mean, it's obvious like the girls hate you.

[00:41:28] Kensey wants Tiffany out. I think the only one that wanted to work with everybody is Tiffany.

[00:41:33] Um, and I was going to say something about Kensey like doing this move.

[00:41:37] This move like when you betray your ally and it's like good moving needs to be like when Jesse got Cody out. Right.

[00:41:44] It's like right at the end you have your backup plan.

[00:41:48] You know, you're almost to the end because if you do this too early, like you betray your closest ally too early, you know what's going to happen next.

[00:41:56] Everybody's going to go you out because it was a great move and you betray your ally.

[00:42:00] Nobody's going to trust you.

[00:42:02] But how did that work out for Jesse?

[00:42:06] Jesse lost fire, didn't he?

[00:42:08] Yeah.

[00:42:10] Yeah, it wasn't voted out.

[00:42:12] So if you do that move, make sure you know if you have to win immunity.

[00:42:19] No, but he didn't really close to the end.

[00:42:21] Like there were not a lot of numbers to backfire exactly what I'm trying to say.

[00:42:25] I totally agree.

[00:42:26] I think that's sort of big move against an ally that could beat you at the end.

[00:42:30] That has to happen a little bit later.

[00:42:31] So I think Kenzie is a great player.

[00:42:33] I think she's almost a little bit too eager to make these big moves, but she's been building great social bonds.

[00:42:39] I think the Tiffany Blonside, it's a little bit early.

[00:42:42] That's someone you've been pretty locked in with and she's a good player too.

[00:42:46] They've been in a great position.

[00:42:47] So turning on your ally could lead to some trouble.

[00:42:50] And then even when they find out that Tiffany has an idol that she's playing to play and they want to go for, I guess, Hunter,

[00:42:57] she's like, oh, that's just boring.

[00:43:00] Like I don't want to do something boring.

[00:43:02] Sometimes the boring move is the right move.

[00:43:04] And so I think that's a valuable lesson.

[00:43:06] I think that's a lesson a lot of players this season could potentially learn.

[00:43:09] But sometimes that straightforward move is good.

[00:43:12] Sometimes in the same vein, it's like if someone else has a plan that they want to launch and it's the plan that you wanted to do anyways,

[00:43:18] you could be like, yeah, that works for me.

[00:43:20] Like I don't need to spearhead every move that I make.

[00:43:23] That's how you build too big of a resume to where it's going to take you out.

[00:43:27] But before we get into all that strategy talk for the vote out, we have a challenge.

[00:43:34] They split into three groups of three.

[00:43:36] I like that this time there's not any losing of the votes or anything like that.

[00:43:40] It's just a straightforward three stage challenge and they get to pick their groups.

[00:43:45] The group selection was pretty interesting where Penzi and Tiff wanted to pair up and then Ben's like,

[00:43:52] you guys want to rock out together?

[00:43:54] And they're like, let's rock out.

[00:43:56] Hunter's like, I haven't worked with Charlie and Maria yet.

[00:43:59] Like it would be fun to do a challenge with them.

[00:44:01] And then Q, Venus and Liz are just kind of like the leftover three.

[00:44:07] And it's not really a secret that they're the leftovers.

[00:44:11] They get to the challenge.

[00:44:14] Not only do some of the castaways like Tiffany, for example, say like, yeah, I want to avoid pairing up with that chaos that is Q.

[00:44:22] She just calls it out.

[00:44:23] Then Jeff adds on and says, you know, I'm going to go out of my way and say Q, Q, Venus and Liz, you guys are going to be the first ones out, which we've I don't think we've ever seen Jeff just openly antagonize.

[00:44:38] I kind of loved it, especially because he ended up being wrong.

[00:44:41] But I've never heard Jeff be like, yeah, you're not good at this.

[00:44:45] It's kind of crazy.

[00:44:47] Well, I mean, what do we make of that?

[00:44:49] I think Jeff is beginning. He is out there and he's hosting a show.

[00:44:53] I think Jeff be thinking he's at home in front of that wooden fireplace and he's like watching the edit.

[00:45:00] And he's like, dang, one lose suckers.

[00:45:07] I want to cut Jeffrey out.

[00:45:09] Okay.

[00:45:10] I would have been like, excuse me, Jeffrey.

[00:45:14] Come do it yourself.

[00:45:17] Jeff is at a point where he don't like he's like, I'm going to say and do what I want.

[00:45:22] Okay.

[00:45:23] And I think that, you know, he has made it clear that he's not casting like like our historic villain type players right now.

[00:45:33] We know why Jeff can be the spicy Jeff.

[00:45:38] And it's entertaining.

[00:45:40] It's interesting.

[00:45:41] I don't mind him talking his trash.

[00:45:42] I like the.

[00:45:44] I would have hated that he never did that with you.

[00:45:47] But no, right.

[00:45:48] He did it like was like that, like rooting against other people.

[00:45:53] I have.

[00:45:54] Here's the thing.

[00:45:56] I like messy and I like a party and I like, you know, having fun and being spicy and all of that.

[00:46:02] I say shit and then laughing and turning around and going like, I got you love that shit.

[00:46:07] But in a game of rules, that Jeff is like the referee, like the top man, the one that calls the last shot, the one that does like everybody does like Jeff.

[00:46:17] He says no way.

[00:46:20] No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:46:22] I would have, no, no, no, I don't play too much when I was playing.

[00:46:24] So I would I be like, that's not okay.

[00:46:27] I have something to say about that, Jam.

[00:46:29] You know what? Now that you said that, I think there's something to that

[00:46:33] because there are some people that you could talk trash to them

[00:46:37] and they're going to play harder and better.

[00:46:38] And like I, I know in sports like that happens a lot.

[00:46:43] Like people talk trash is like, all right, let's go, let's get it.

[00:46:46] And I think if you talk to a cue like that, you got to have them

[00:46:49] up to go hard.

[00:46:50] But I don't think everyone is from that cloth.

[00:46:53] So I don't know what it would do to a Venus or to a Liz.

[00:46:56] So, yeah, if the host executive producer, top dog,

[00:47:01] El Presidente, that guy is like, yo, y'all about to lose.

[00:47:07] It's like, come on, man, like you see us.

[00:47:10] Why? Why you got to do this like that?

[00:47:13] Maybe that's why they go popcorn.

[00:47:15] Well, first of all, you see last tribal.

[00:47:18] Why would you?

[00:47:20] Why would you do that?

[00:47:21] But what I do love about this spicy

[00:47:24] Jeff, though, in the new era is

[00:47:28] we get to have legends like Jalinski,

[00:47:31] because if we didn't get such a spicy Jeff,

[00:47:34] I don't think the Jalinski several would hit as much.

[00:47:39] And if you have not already.

[00:47:43] Do yourself a favor.

[00:47:45] I discovered Jalinski's tick tock tick tock.

[00:47:49] Are you going to talk about a couple hours?

[00:47:53] A couple hours because Jalinski is revolutionized in the game.

[00:47:57] I discovered Jalinski's tick tock to J.

[00:47:59] Do yourself a favor.

[00:48:01] Go over there, follow Jalinski and let them know.

[00:48:03] Purple Pants podcast, the Bob and who sent you.

[00:48:05] But Jalinski is essentially saying,

[00:48:08] so did you know several hours?

[00:48:11] Right. You know, allegedly that means seven hours. Right.

[00:48:16] How many hours do you think is a couple hours?

[00:48:18] Two. OK, when DZ.

[00:48:25] To ish Jack, not according to not according to not according

[00:48:29] to the late.

[00:48:30] I was there for the origin of this this idea.

[00:48:34] We were playing Fortnite with Carla and Charlie Davis.

[00:48:38] That's a squad right there.

[00:48:40] Jalinski goes, guys, how long do you guys think a couple hours is?

[00:48:43] And we're all like two hours, a couple of two.

[00:48:47] He's like, get this.

[00:48:48] It's four hours.

[00:48:50] I was like he was like he was like a couple is two,

[00:48:54] but ours is plural.

[00:48:56] And so that means two times two equals four.

[00:48:59] And we were like Jalinski alive.

[00:49:01] I was like Jalinski out like what?

[00:49:05] That doesn't make any sense.

[00:49:06] I'm like anything you add an S to anything

[00:49:09] that's a couple is going to have a S.

[00:49:11] A couple say a couple hour.

[00:49:13] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:49:15] I think it's but yeah, exactly.

[00:49:19] It's like a couple of minutes would not be four minutes.

[00:49:21] Like a couple shoes would not be.

[00:49:25] Oh, well, I mean, a couple of shoes would.

[00:49:27] Well, that's that's a bad example because they come in there.

[00:49:29] They come in there.

[00:49:30] But a couple of shoes would be four pairs of shoes or two to pay.

[00:49:36] No, two pairs of shoes, a couple of pairs.

[00:49:38] Wait, how about shoes is bad example?

[00:49:41] Yeah, a couple, a couple of a couple of mangoes would not be four mangoes.

[00:49:45] Right. A couple of the tacos would be.

[00:49:49] That's I guess that's a different semantical.

[00:49:52] So I got I got that.

[00:49:56] It means you how I say a jam.

[00:50:00] The pattern

[00:50:02] which sounds cool because it's actually a bottle,

[00:50:05] but the photos have posted it is like the Linsky math right there

[00:50:10] with your words and your pronunciation.

[00:50:12] He's the gift that keeps giving.

[00:50:15] I love it. He is spicy or his chick sock.

[00:50:18] Like last week with Q, he has some gangster music playing.

[00:50:22] He was I was I was dying.

[00:50:25] So go over there to take back and shout out to Jalinski.

[00:50:29] Sorry. But yeah.

[00:50:32] So then we get it.

[00:50:32] I totally agree.

[00:50:33] And I like I like the spicy Jeff, like whether you agree or disagree.

[00:50:37] Yeah, if I was a player out there, I'd be like,

[00:50:40] they have just your your ruin against me.

[00:50:41] Like, what?

[00:50:43] Yes. Yes. Yes.

[00:50:44] Is spicy. Jeff will get it down.

[00:50:47] Let you know.

[00:50:48] Mess a little bit with your head.

[00:50:50] Have fun with it, especially more towards the end.

[00:50:53] He's like more like, you know, when they were there

[00:50:55] setting the challenges on or whatever, he would like, let you know

[00:50:58] a little bit of himself.

[00:51:00] But regarding games and challenges,

[00:51:04] that's a whole nother thing in my head.

[00:51:07] I remember when I was like talking to Jeff one day

[00:51:09] and I was like, you know, those big challenges with a lot of stations

[00:51:12] like super long and he's the one that reviews the challenges.

[00:51:15] And he goes little station by station because he wants everybody

[00:51:17] to hear the same explanation, right?

[00:51:19] Which is fair.

[00:51:20] And that's my whole thing with the first thing.

[00:51:22] But he goes like explain the whole thing.

[00:51:24] And then we're walking back.

[00:51:25] It takes like five minutes to walk back to the mat.

[00:51:27] And I like have my little friend moment and I go like, so Jeff.

[00:51:31] Right. I was like, get to Jeff.

[00:51:33] Oh, my God.

[00:51:34] I was like, Jeff, don't you get tired of being like so intense

[00:51:38] all the time because he's like, guys, welcome.

[00:51:41] I was his baby, you know, and I go.

[00:51:43] He goes like, well, yeah, don't you?

[00:51:46] You understand way, right?

[00:51:48] I don't like, oh, my God.

[00:51:50] You know, so he like would let me know that it was a little intense to me.

[00:51:55] I was like a little a lot.

[00:51:56] I was a lot during my season.

[00:51:58] But, you know, I know it's not as spicy in my head.

[00:52:01] That was spicy.

[00:52:02] But the thing is, like, he will let his persona known without,

[00:52:06] you know, what's going on.

[00:52:07] And I love that. I love that.

[00:52:09] But don't say I'm going to lose.

[00:52:11] Can you do some more Jeff voices for us? Yes.

[00:52:16] I am all precious.

[00:52:18] So this day, what you say?

[00:52:20] Way up in the big screen.

[00:52:22] Why am I being now like this button?

[00:52:25] Give us something.

[00:52:27] Well, I was like, I don't know.

[00:52:30] Oh, the junior version of Jeff, of Jeff

[00:52:34] sitting on a pillow and giving out popcorn.

[00:52:37] Or how would Jeff say the pato's?

[00:52:41] Pato's here's the thing with the cushion cushion, though,

[00:52:45] that if you go back to my season,

[00:52:47] Jeff Stuhl was a height at the first episode.

[00:52:51] And then as the season went along,

[00:52:54] it would get higher and higher and higher and higher.

[00:52:56] They would start putting like pieces of wood so he would.

[00:52:59] I maybe his bag her or maybe he wanted to look taller.

[00:53:02] I don't know. But you hit the head on a nail.

[00:53:08] Y'all, y'all be.

[00:53:11] Everyone at work has that seasoned

[00:53:15] co-worker who they can't sit at a regular chair, right?

[00:53:20] They got that little like the hair down

[00:53:24] in the chair that they put that like are there.

[00:53:27] That was spicy Jeff trying to make a moment,

[00:53:29] but he needed that for his bag was just fine.

[00:53:32] He needed a little cushion.

[00:53:34] He was like, this is my moment.

[00:53:35] So people don't like burn me because I'm putting a cushion on.

[00:53:38] Those tools are had.

[00:53:40] I have my stool.

[00:53:41] I bought my stool that I had what I think it is around here.

[00:53:44] I will. I wish I had it in the room so I could show it.

[00:53:46] These are hard. They're horrible. Yeah.

[00:53:50] I got it wrong with, you know.

[00:53:53] Love. I'm going to figure out what in person

[00:53:56] I'm going to make at a later moment.

[00:54:00] Feel free to jump in with it whenever Jeff, Jeff, Jeff with a why.

[00:54:06] But so we get into the challenge.

[00:54:10] But that is it's that it that's how it should be pronounced

[00:54:14] with a why everything. Yeah.

[00:54:17] And so we did a challenge.

[00:54:20] Jeff, the first station is balance beams.

[00:54:22] Kenzie struggles on the beams

[00:54:24] and her team loses along with Tiffany and Ben.

[00:54:27] So Jeff is immediately wrong about who's going out first.

[00:54:32] The next one is the rope bridge, and then they got to shoot balls

[00:54:35] onto these these little ring hoops.

[00:54:38] How would you do, Jack, with shooting balls onto a little ring hoop?

[00:54:43] I think I'd do pretty well.

[00:54:43] I was actually while we were watching, I was wondering the lowest wrong

[00:54:47] if I would be tall enough to just jump up and put it on there

[00:54:49] because it didn't look that high up.

[00:54:53] Yeah, Jeff said he'll just like sit them all up there.

[00:54:57] How would you do jam putting the balls in the oh, the hoop

[00:55:02] with the right words and the right lighting?

[00:55:04] I mean, Ben.

[00:55:08] When DZ, we know you have a lot of experience with balls and hoops.

[00:55:12] How would you do managing all that rope and putting

[00:55:16] would you be able to put up the balls in the hole?

[00:55:21] Um, that's on a hunter hoodie.

[00:55:24] That sounds about what it was.

[00:55:28] How you did? I smoked them.

[00:55:31] It was that damn puzzle that I couldn't do it.

[00:55:33] That that all in the whole puzzle that I could do.

[00:55:38] You should have said more advice.

[00:55:40] What does that want you have to come back like your opportunity to come back?

[00:55:44] Yes, potential to come back to you.

[00:55:49] You know what?

[00:55:51] He made a blanket on X on edge of extinction.

[00:55:54] That's all that matters.

[00:55:55] He had a lot of time.

[00:55:57] Yeah, a lot of time.

[00:55:59] I'm going to send it to you, Jam.

[00:56:00] You could have it.

[00:56:02] I would love it. Oh, my God.

[00:56:04] You have the whole I have a whole crate from the edge of extinction

[00:56:08] with all of my stuff in it that I wrapped in plastic

[00:56:11] in the airport and shipped home.

[00:56:13] And I still haven't opened that.

[00:56:15] And are you going to open it?

[00:56:16] Oh, my God. I don't know.

[00:56:17] But it has my sneakers in it, which are my Kobe's that I wore out there.

[00:56:20] So I need those. But everything else can go.

[00:56:23] And that's how you Sandra Sandra told me that I wash your clothes, everything.

[00:56:28] I was like, oh, what this mail and everything was like, yeah, it gets mold.

[00:56:31] Wash it. Don't be dirty.

[00:56:34] Yeah, I still I haven't washed my anything from Survivor.

[00:56:38] But see, Bryce, yours was really clean.

[00:56:42] And watch the days before they got home.

[00:56:48] That was a good one.

[00:56:50] Can I tell you a secret when DZ?

[00:56:52] Yes. You know, every time I come over, you know, I'll be like

[00:56:56] taking a little bit of the plastic off of that thing.

[00:56:58] Every time I come off.

[00:57:01] The plastic off of his body, he has this box on Ghost Island.

[00:57:05] I mean, from Winners at War, that's like wrapped up in like

[00:57:10] air, plastic, airport, plastic.

[00:57:12] And you take a little bit off.

[00:57:14] Take it a little bit off the top every time.

[00:57:17] Just so eventually has to go in there.

[00:57:19] Eventually, it's going to be open.

[00:57:20] I'll be like, what happened?

[00:57:22] And yeah, you move things around the last house over us.

[00:57:25] Oh, yeah. You're coming out to your yard.

[00:57:27] What are you doing in there?

[00:57:30] Little awkward.

[00:57:30] Here's the thing with with the blanket on us of extinction.

[00:57:33] Our final two or three days was on edge of extinction.

[00:57:37] Our like in the new camp that island is freaking cold.

[00:57:41] The wind like blows right in it, like the logs would last

[00:57:45] only a few hours was horrible.

[00:57:47] And I was like, is that what is this where they were living?

[00:57:49] They would not tell us until the last day.

[00:57:51] That was like edge of extinction.

[00:57:53] It was so cold, so bad.

[00:57:54] So of course, that blanket would have been amazing.

[00:57:56] We took the tarp and we covered with the tarp, but it was horrible.

[00:57:59] Horrible, horrible, horrible.

[00:58:02] The wind, the wind right in it.

[00:58:05] They it's like a little triangle and where the mangrove

[00:58:08] they have like a little like where you're supposed to be.

[00:58:10] You're not supposed to be there, but that's like where they

[00:58:13] like said everything.

[00:58:14] And then you're like, whatever else here.

[00:58:16] And the wind just came through the hallway, like right through the night.

[00:58:19] It was like it was like a alley of like

[00:58:23] like a wind turbine or something.

[00:58:25] It was like.

[00:58:27] Dude, it was so bad, bad.

[00:58:29] And then we cannot touch each other because, you know, of some season

[00:58:32] so we could not get one with each other and horrible, horrible, horrible.

[00:58:39] Yeah.

[00:58:41] So back to the challenge.

[00:58:43] Q's team now

[00:58:49] is struggles with the shooting portion.

[00:58:52] And so Charlie, Hunter and Maria move on to the final three face off,

[00:58:58] which is sort of the classic survivor like

[00:59:01] crucifix situation almost with the cross.

[00:59:04] You got to hold on back against.

[00:59:05] And I think they made it harder.

[00:59:07] I forget exactly what Jeff said, but I think he said,

[00:59:08] you can't really take your back off of the pole.

[00:59:11] You can't like crouch down.

[00:59:12] So you really got to just like hold the position

[00:59:15] and it goes for about 10 minutes.

[00:59:17] And Charlie outlasts Hunter and pulls out a big win.

[00:59:23] I also think Hunter is definitely watching

[00:59:27] Survivor News because you heard him up there.

[00:59:30] He says something about it's like the hunter

[00:59:34] versus the hunty when he was standing on there.

[00:59:37] And you can best believe that I am the hunty.

[00:59:42] Come on me.

[00:59:47] Right.

[00:59:47] Plural huntees, you need another huntees.

[00:59:50] Hunty.

[00:59:51] Is that four or is that two?

[00:59:53] A couple of huntees.

[00:59:54] Huntees, OK.

[00:59:55] I'm not a hunty.

[00:59:56] So it's all.

[00:59:57] Yes, you are.

[00:59:58] Wendell for sure is a hunty.

[00:59:59] There's a hunty in here.

[01:00:01] Hunter, come get your doves.

[01:00:03] The only thing I will say, Bryce, is.

[01:00:08] We're doing it again.

[01:00:10] Oh, I'm more like a 30.

[01:00:16] Yeah, but he get mad and Bryce on a podcast together.

[01:00:20] This is bad.

[01:00:21] Yes, Hunter.

[01:00:22] OK, you got a turkey in a dog.

[01:00:30] Oh, it's all right.

[01:00:32] Oh, it's all right.

[01:00:34] Oh, it's all right.

[01:00:36] He left.

[01:00:37] Hunter.

[01:00:42] Oh, my God, this is going to be like a real promo.

[01:00:45] I know it.

[01:00:45] Oh,

[01:00:51] oh, my God.

[01:00:52] Oh, OK, sorry.

[01:00:54] You're talking about.

[01:00:57] There you go.

[01:00:58] There you go.

[01:00:58] Get it.

[01:00:59] Get it.

[01:01:00] You want it?

[01:01:01] Wait, he's that way.

[01:01:02] Pigeon.

[01:01:03] Now, my only question is, did you say a hunter watches survivor news?

[01:01:09] So he knew that you were a dove.

[01:01:11] And that's why he said it on the show that he recorded eight months ago

[01:01:14] because he's seen it in the basement.

[01:01:20] He's seen it in the basement.

[01:01:22] You know, he has a basement and he goes watch the river there.

[01:01:25] He puts his own in the background while he builds

[01:01:27] builds puzzles.

[01:01:29] I would have to say, first of all, us being at Chicago State University

[01:01:34] and it being a PBI,

[01:01:38] a PBI, a black institution

[01:01:43] and watching with a bunch of.

[01:01:46] Black students that have never seen Survivor and.

[01:01:51] One, because first of all, like we've all I've watched the Bible with Jam.

[01:01:56] I watched the Bible with Jack.

[01:01:56] I watched every window with window.

[01:01:58] You know how I am when I watched the Bible.

[01:02:00] I got to turn to ask questions.

[01:02:01] I'm like, what's happening?

[01:02:02] And so me, first of all.

[01:02:06] I don't know how I got back there with the track

[01:02:09] and the basketball squad, but I was there.

[01:02:14] You don't know.

[01:02:14] You don't know.

[01:02:17] It was just a coincidence.

[01:02:19] Oh, wait, wait.

[01:02:21] Wait, sidebar, Jack.

[01:02:24] We almost had a moment.

[01:02:26] So we're doing our hosting

[01:02:29] and we're like talking to the audience that we like kick off

[01:02:31] a video to Jeff and Jeff is like shouting us out.

[01:02:33] Then we go back to our seats that we saved, Jack.

[01:02:38] Yeah. Oh, Jack, let me to do.

[01:02:42] I have PTSD from this week, Jim, in New Orleans at the R half event.

[01:02:49] We had an incident where someone sat in Bryce's seat.

[01:02:52] They overreacted.

[01:02:53] Bruce. So me and Jack sat down.

[01:02:56] We're like, oh, Bruce took Bryce's seat.

[01:02:59] We can't do nothing about it because Bruce, at that point,

[01:03:01] you can't say nothing to Bruce.

[01:03:02] He was with he was with the cast too.

[01:03:04] And he was the last seat for that.

[01:03:08] So Bryce sat elsewhere and he was mad at me the whole night.

[01:03:12] He was human, so mad at me.

[01:03:14] And we should have just got up and sat with Bryce. Right.

[01:03:17] So now after we're on stage and we do our little whatever

[01:03:21] and we come down, I noticed somebody is it.

[01:03:23] And we put two Q skirts to save our seats.

[01:03:27] Similarly to New Orleans.

[01:03:32] We're past New Orleans, but what happened is I am back there

[01:03:37] with the basketball and the track team

[01:03:40] and throughout the episode when it's like, are you OK?

[01:03:48] Do you you want some?

[01:03:50] I got some cookies.

[01:03:51] Do you want some? Do you want to do?

[01:03:53] I'm like, I'm.

[01:03:55] Bryce is like, I'm great.

[01:03:57] Of course.

[01:03:59] So I'm back there with the basketball and the track squad.

[01:04:02] And again, what I find so amazing is people that have never really watched

[01:04:05] Survivor. I love the fact that being in an audience with Survivor fans,

[01:04:13] like one, they're automatically like,

[01:04:16] why the hell are they cheering at the screen?

[01:04:19] And then it's like, because it's the basketball squad

[01:04:21] of the stuff like at this challenge, they like.

[01:04:24] I could I could I could walk across a balance beam.

[01:04:28] And I'm like, oh, really?

[01:04:30] Then they like, I hold the ball.

[01:04:33] But I was dying when it got to the end

[01:04:36] and they started showing the toes like there was no, no, no.

[01:04:40] Like, count us out, count us out.

[01:04:42] But again, shout out to.

[01:04:46] The Chicago State,

[01:04:47] Chicago State University and all of the students that came because.

[01:04:52] The interest after the show and after everything was a thousand percent there.

[01:04:58] And I think what is more important with the survivor initiative,

[01:05:02] the diversity initiative, it's like and one,

[01:05:04] there were some characters and funny people in this life.

[01:05:06] They like I could do this.

[01:05:07] I'm like, oh, you first of all, I turned them to Jeff.

[01:05:10] So you think you can do it?

[01:05:12] GBS dot com and casting, we want to see you like

[01:05:16] you could tell me I wasn't Jeff because the way that I was like

[01:05:19] telling these people to like, y'all would be great.

[01:05:21] But it was just funny seeing clearly these athletic students.

[01:05:27] But like seeing a challenge like that ain't nothing like.

[01:05:29] But OK, but do that out there for 13 days.

[01:05:34] No pooping in. Oh, that was another thing.

[01:05:36] They could not take aqua dumping.

[01:05:39] And you know, I had to explain a good old aqua dub.

[01:05:42] And they were like, so you poop in the water

[01:05:45] that you eat the fish out of.

[01:05:49] It is an.

[01:05:53] I was like, yeah, that was like sometimes you got to dodge them.

[01:05:58] First of all, what do you die?

[01:06:02] Not when you're dodging his own dumps.

[01:06:04] Boop, boop, boop.

[01:06:08] Bryce was out there so short he didn't even have to take it out.

[01:06:12] You're right, though. I tried, though I really did.

[01:06:13] I what I wanted to experience.

[01:06:16] I was so mad. My body.

[01:06:17] You can still aqua dump anywhere.

[01:06:21] Well, that is true.

[01:06:23] I got it. It's fun.

[01:06:24] I've done it after.

[01:06:28] OK, wait, there's a lot to unpack here.

[01:06:30] Time out here.

[01:06:32] How do you know that?

[01:06:33] Jack, what's up?

[01:06:35] How do you know that it's fun?

[01:06:38] No, I was going to say it was it's fun that you've hosted this event and maybe.

[01:06:42] No, no, no, no.

[01:06:44] It's fun to aqua dub.

[01:06:46] No, I've never.

[01:06:47] Oh, Jack and a posse.

[01:06:50] Get that time stamp that Jack said that because we know what he said.

[01:06:54] Now, wait now.

[01:06:55] I'm sure it is fun. That's all I was saying, but I would love.

[01:06:58] I would love to have the privilege of aqua dubbing.

[01:07:01] OK, pause you on that.

[01:07:02] Jamil, when is the last time that you aqua dumped?

[01:07:06] I caught them.

[01:07:07] We came back in July first and.

[01:07:10] I've got them twice, like when we came by, like August and maybe September.

[01:07:15] Here's the thing in Puerto Rico.

[01:07:16] You have beaches in the hotel areas, but you also have beaches

[01:07:19] like are very, very far away.

[01:07:21] So before I would like, you know, keep it in.

[01:07:26] I was like, I've done this.

[01:07:28] I've done it. I don't need to like.

[01:07:29] I'm sorry, Wendell, but you don't need like to be like

[01:07:33] if it makes you feel better, I would go into the deep and go on.

[01:07:37] Nobody knows. Nobody knows.

[01:07:39] Some poor little person or a child in Puerto Rico

[01:07:44] was swimming.

[01:07:46] Oh, shit.

[01:07:50] They say, oh,

[01:07:52] is that a fish?

[01:07:56] Is that a chocolate brown trout?

[01:07:59] Oh, who put this Hershey bar here?

[01:08:02] You guys are from the city. You don't get it.

[01:08:04] I also did it when I was a little kid and my teens like that's

[01:08:08] like it's not common.

[01:08:10] I'm not going to say that everybody does it, but.

[01:08:13] Yeah, yeah.

[01:08:16] Why suffer when you can't get with them?

[01:08:19] I'm not mad.

[01:08:21] I was going to say it's cool that hosting this.

[01:08:23] It's always so fun seeing a new like a friend

[01:08:26] watch Survive for the first time and have all these reactions.

[01:08:29] But it's cool that you're showing at a PBI

[01:08:33] and kids are getting into it.

[01:08:34] It's like maybe what a story would be like one of those kids went on

[01:08:37] one day and they're like, I first watched it at the Bryce

[01:08:40] and Wend hosted event.

[01:08:42] I'm hoping that that that shakes out.

[01:08:45] But what's crazy, Jack, is that afterwards they had two

[01:08:52] media communications majors sitting up there and there was a panel discussion.

[01:08:57] They asked Bryce, myself and Jatia about, you know,

[01:09:00] just what's been going on in the diversity initiative and those things.

[01:09:03] And the one guy, I believe his name is Pierce.

[01:09:07] He then he came to our event yesterday

[01:09:11] and he was in there like really enjoying it and stuff.

[01:09:13] And I'm looking at this guy and I'm like, man, like

[01:09:17] you would be good out there.

[01:09:19] So can I tell you our secret?

[01:09:24] So again, he was having so much fun at the party.

[01:09:27] Well, first he was like by himself and he didn't kind of like, you know,

[01:09:30] and so I was like one thing at a Bryce and Wend event.

[01:09:33] You can come by yourself, but you will leave with friends.

[01:09:35] I found him a tribe.

[01:09:38] I thought you were going to say you can't go alone and live with Bryce.

[01:09:44] But you were going to say that.

[01:09:45] I'm sorry. No, no.

[01:09:51] So I found him a tribe.

[01:09:54] And by the end of the night.

[01:09:59] Pierce was too cool.

[01:10:00] Pierce was like he was up in there.

[01:10:03] And so I have this guilty life.

[01:10:06] So then in his tribe, Keenan's friend was his tribe.

[01:10:11] And so like they actually like what I want to say that they were in the same

[01:10:14] fraternity or something. But anyway,

[01:10:17] because he was hanging with us so much and people was like, who is that?

[01:10:20] And I was like.

[01:10:22] 37, 47, 47, 47.

[01:10:27] And so they were still lying for them.

[01:10:30] Did you say David?

[01:10:33] What is?

[01:10:36] Jake, did you say David first Goliath?

[01:10:39] Goliath. Oh, I thought you said he's already seven.

[01:10:43] David first Goliath. He's 37.

[01:10:45] Yeah, this one.

[01:10:47] Well, that's that's not even either.

[01:10:48] Oh, he's back in the back.

[01:10:49] We have a better picture of him. But mind you.

[01:10:52] So I started telling people, people were asking me and I was like,

[01:10:55] season 47, you're going to pull up a picture of him

[01:10:57] edited with a buff on the beach.

[01:11:00] I tell you all by the end of the night.

[01:11:03] So this is Pierce right here in the middle.

[01:11:06] When I tell you about it into the night.

[01:11:09] People were lining up to take photos.

[01:11:12] No, that's amazing.

[01:11:15] Oh, you were like they believed it.

[01:11:17] Well, I said it and just because it was like in a bit

[01:11:21] like we had two rooms.

[01:11:22] And so then I left because, you know, I had to go outside

[01:11:24] because I was sweating.

[01:11:25] But when I came back in, there were four people.

[01:11:31] There's a man.

[01:11:34] I mean, hey, we've we've been in that position many times.

[01:11:38] Forty eight.

[01:11:40] 50.

[01:11:42] Well,

[01:11:44] Jams, see you out there.

[01:11:46] Oh, oh, oh,

[01:11:50] Jack, see you here.

[01:11:53] Damn.

[01:11:56] Probably.

[01:11:58] Oh,

[01:12:01] anyways, Charlie wins the challenge.

[01:12:04] A great performance.

[01:12:07] I was rooting for him to because like, yeah,

[01:12:09] Hunter is a challenge beast, so it's good to see the underdogs get one.

[01:12:13] Charlie did, you know, D1 track and feel like D1 cross country at Harvard.

[01:12:17] So he's he's an athlete in his own right.

[01:12:19] But obviously, today, he's today.

[01:12:22] Read what I run at Harvard.

[01:12:26] Yeah.

[01:12:27] It was a book.

[01:12:30] Because, you know, everything is smart over that.

[01:12:31] I don't know. Do you?

[01:12:33] Yeah.

[01:12:33] Are they going to run into things during class?

[01:12:35] Country while reading.

[01:12:37] Also, weird tidbit,

[01:12:40] Charlie, Janine Zang from 43

[01:12:44] and J. Maya from 45, all in the same graduating class at Harvard.

[01:12:49] Oh, which I thought was kind of crazy.

[01:12:52] So they all kind of knew each other.

[01:12:54] Wow. And J.

[01:12:55] Wow.

[01:12:56] So I know.

[01:12:57] But so we get back to camp.

[01:13:00] It's not Harvard, but we get back to camp.

[01:13:04] We kind of talked about it already.

[01:13:08] Because of the clear target on Q and on Hunter,

[01:13:11] this plan emerges to maybe take out Tiff.

[01:13:13] But then Charlie goes and sort of takes a temperature check with Tiff.

[01:13:19] And she's like, I need to get rid of this idol.

[01:13:22] It's it is weighing me down.

[01:13:24] I'm going to play it.

[01:13:25] And so that and I think great move by Tiff, because we see how it all shakes out.

[01:13:29] But because of that, they need to pivot.

[01:13:31] They're worried about, you know, Tiff playing this idol

[01:13:33] because it sounds like she's going to.

[01:13:35] And now the target shifts more towards Hunter or potentially Q.

[01:13:39] But then last minute, Hunters goes to Q

[01:13:43] and then to Venus and Liz is like, hey, I'm playing my idol.

[01:13:47] Let's switch it up. Maybe vote for Ben.

[01:13:49] Then there's some last minute scrambling for Q.

[01:13:52] And then this whole slew of chaos ensues.

[01:13:57] I guess the central sort of thing at this

[01:14:01] strategically going in this tribal is this idol usage, this idol bluffing.

[01:14:07] But there's a lot of chaos.

[01:14:08] And so what stuck out to you guys really?

[01:14:10] Anything that of anything that really stood out to you

[01:14:14] going into this tribal, which obviously the tribal itself is also crazy.

[01:14:19] So there's a lot to talk about here.

[01:14:23] It was a pretty mess.

[01:14:24] It was horrible. I was like, everybody was like I and.

[01:14:30] Everybody should talk to everybody.

[01:14:31] I remember talking to everyone about everything.

[01:14:34] But that was like the game I had to play at the moment.

[01:14:37] I started like I would do it again.

[01:14:38] But.

[01:14:42] I was so like trying to make notes for this,

[01:14:44] but I was like watching going back and forth.

[01:14:46] I was like, oh, my God, what they're trying to do to me as a viewer.

[01:14:49] Is it really what's going on?

[01:14:50] Was it like what are you trying to like?

[01:14:52] I don't know. I was a mess.

[01:14:53] I got so I got mad at them as a player.

[01:14:56] I was like, why is everybody just telling everybody what they're going to do?

[01:14:59] Just, you know, say it again.

[01:15:01] Nobody has a number a number one only Charlie and Maria right now.

[01:15:06] And so it makes sense. It was a mess. But I.

[01:15:09] And then I didn't know why they split the way they split.

[01:15:12] Like I got confused and maybe that's caused one of you before coming here.

[01:15:16] Talk about it. But yeah, I was like mad as a player.

[01:15:19] I don't know. I didn't like.

[01:15:21] As a fan, it's the first time all season I was pissed at Hunter

[01:15:25] because I'm like we've done all of this

[01:15:30] simulation in the basement and were like.

[01:15:34] I just was so upset and pissed off at Hunter.

[01:15:39] I'm over here flying around, talk about like, you know, talk about

[01:15:43] get me and they out here getting you.

[01:15:45] How are you going to hunt me if they didn't hunt you?

[01:15:48] But I just felt like

[01:15:51] it's not the food chain.

[01:15:52] I understand in this situation where it's like, if I could have my idol

[01:15:58] for another day, let me bring it with me.

[01:16:02] But the point is to get to another day.

[01:16:05] And you know that you are a big strong.

[01:16:10] Oh, gosh. You know,

[01:16:13] country man built

[01:16:19] you know, long hair.

[01:16:22] It ain't a tree you can't climb.

[01:16:25] It ain't a chair you can't build.

[01:16:28] It ain't a puzzle you can piece together.

[01:16:31] It ain't a pole you can't bend off of.

[01:16:33] It ain't a you can't hunt.

[01:16:37] Mm hmm.

[01:16:38] Beach.

[01:16:41] When is an idol in your pants?

[01:16:45] Whoa. Or pocket.

[01:16:48] OK, like I just I again, I understand because here's the thing.

[01:16:53] I have that same energy for my girl Tiffany.

[01:16:57] Why are you all playing Russian roulette?

[01:17:01] But Tiff did it right.

[01:17:02] No, I mean, but just it just so happens she did it right.

[01:17:07] But maybe like this age, we're not playing strip tease.

[01:17:10] I don't want to be but but behind naked.

[01:17:12] I want my clothes on.

[01:17:15] So I'd rather have my idol.

[01:17:16] So again, I understand.

[01:17:18] But I really feel like we got to see Hunter's blind spot.

[01:17:23] And again, he's an excellent player, a handsome man, a strong man,

[01:17:29] a country born and bred,

[01:17:32] smart, talented, funny, little on the quiet side.

[01:17:38] But we like it. But I like.

[01:17:41] In my opinion, there's a reason why he worked with Tevin,

[01:17:45] not just because of his personality.

[01:17:47] I think that they complimented each other really well.

[01:17:51] And I think with Tevin going, we got to see that, like,

[01:17:53] although Hunter knows the game, he's not about to like

[01:17:58] really carve it up. Right.

[01:18:01] Yeah. My take on the situation, I have a lot of thoughts.

[01:18:05] I'll just spill them.

[01:18:06] And if you guys hear something that you like disagree with or whatever,

[01:18:10] feel free to interject.

[01:18:12] I think right at first, when you know the heat's on you,

[01:18:15] it's obviously you want to play your idol.

[01:18:18] I think going to a queue who at this point might be Hunter's closer ally.

[01:18:22] I don't mind it.

[01:18:23] You have one person on side with you and because right,

[01:18:26] you play the idol successfully and negate a lot of votes.

[01:18:29] Sure, that works for the tribal.

[01:18:31] But you do need to make some inroads to move forward with.

[01:18:35] The problem, I think, here is when he goes to Venus and Liz

[01:18:38] and then tries to orchestrate this other whole plan.

[01:18:41] It's like, man, if you're going to use your idol to make a blind side,

[01:18:44] you can't all of a sudden loop in three or four people. Right.

[01:18:47] You're sort of you're sort of in between like, can I am I going to play my idol

[01:18:51] or am I trying to like orchestrate a plan where I don't have to play my idol?

[01:18:55] But now I'm going to people that I don't really trust.

[01:18:58] And I think that's where he went kind of wrong.

[01:18:59] But I can understand why he did it right.

[01:19:02] Then he gets the tribal and I don't

[01:19:05] hate the way he plays it initially.

[01:19:07] Right. Kenzie's given in a lot of comfort.

[01:19:11] Charlie does a great job of consoling him.

[01:19:14] I don't mind the gamble of not playing it necessarily,

[01:19:17] because Hunter is a big target.

[01:19:20] If you if you have to play it now, it's sort of like

[01:19:23] you're probably not going to make it a lot farther.

[01:19:25] Right. You need to kind of trust that you have some numbers.

[01:19:27] Granted, with how wide open the game is playing it now,

[01:19:31] becoming the obvious target.

[01:19:32] Nobody seems to want to go for the obvious target.

[01:19:34] And you're an immunity threat.

[01:19:36] Maybe it's safer to play it now.

[01:19:38] What I think my hot take here,

[01:19:40] and this is something we've never really seen before, is

[01:19:43] once the vote is split evenly in the vote ties

[01:19:46] and then go to a revote and people know that Hunter

[01:19:49] most likely has an idol.

[01:19:52] I think you take the idol and you throw it in the fire and you say,

[01:19:56] guys, I know right now it's between me and Q.

[01:19:59] I could see why you would lean more towards me

[01:20:01] because I do have this idol pull it out and say, but hey,

[01:20:06] hold on, Bryce, and say, hey,

[01:20:09] I know that the idol might be the reason that you guys lean towards voting me.

[01:20:13] But I think without the idol, I'm a more consistent ally.

[01:20:16] I'm a more steady presence.

[01:20:19] So you take the idol and say, OK, if we're if we're about to revote,

[01:20:22] let me get rid of this, because the only thing that matters

[01:20:25] to survive is that revote.

[01:20:26] So just get rid of the idol.

[01:20:28] It's that weight on your shoulders.

[01:20:29] And I think maybe he gets rid of the idol.

[01:20:31] People are like, all right, he got rid of his ammunition.

[01:20:34] Q is unpredictable.

[01:20:36] Hunter's cool. And now he doesn't have an idol.

[01:20:38] Maybe we revote to keep Hunter because also, if you think about it.

[01:20:43] Oh, no, that wouldn't be the case.

[01:20:44] But anyways, I think I think there's a case to be made

[01:20:47] for just throwing the idol in the fire once you once you mess up by not using it.

[01:20:51] I think it's very easy for us to think of these plans after or like,

[01:20:56] you know, after we dissected things.

[01:20:58] But I think when you're in the heat of the moment,

[01:21:00] I don't think Hunter's thinking about that.

[01:21:02] I think at best, you might think I think at best you might think, all right,

[01:21:06] I got to do a little politicking real quick or something like let's

[01:21:09] let's jump up and shake this and make it a live trial.

[01:21:11] But I think it is a it's a good idea to.

[01:21:14] It's a good last ditch effort to minimize your threat

[01:21:17] by burning your idol, but I just don't think that

[01:21:20] I think it would take quite the player to just think that up

[01:21:22] on the fly and just do it. Yeah, I'm not saying I was like the clear cut.

[01:21:26] Like I'm not saying, oh, Hunter's Dolby didn't do that.

[01:21:28] Like that would be a bigger play.

[01:21:31] I'm more so curious, like, would that be the right move?

[01:21:34] I think that would I think it's I think it's a good move in that.

[01:21:38] It's like, all right, you have you got to do something drastic right now.

[01:21:41] And it's like throw everything at the wall.

[01:21:42] But I think making it a live tribal, at least you could give your pitch

[01:21:46] to people. But what I wanted to say,

[01:21:49] I think the editors did a real good job

[01:21:53] at showing Hunter and like helping us like

[01:21:57] just watch him like try to mentally think like, are these people with me?

[01:22:01] Are they not? And I think they were seated.

[01:22:04] I think they were seated where people that were not lying to him

[01:22:07] were sitting next to him.

[01:22:08] And I'm like, either Kenzie is the best liar I have ever seen.

[01:22:13] Or she's with him or like, I remember saying that about a couple of like

[01:22:18] they look locked and loaded with him.

[01:22:21] And so they're assuring him, well, these other people

[01:22:25] are just maybe nodding with them or whatever.

[01:22:28] But the people that are locked with him are right there next to him.

[01:22:31] And you're seeing him go through it.

[01:22:33] And now we're like, all right, should he play?

[01:22:36] Should he not? What's going to happen?

[01:22:38] I think I just think they did a good job at that.

[01:22:42] Yeah, that's all.

[01:22:43] Yeah, it's tough.

[01:22:44] And I feel like I heard someone say

[01:22:47] he sort of puts himself in a position now with all this info out there

[01:22:51] where if he plays it and he's wrong, he looks bad.

[01:22:54] If he doesn't play it and he's wrong, he looks bad and he goes home.

[01:22:59] You sort of put yourself in the position where you have to make

[01:23:01] the perfect move here and the perfect read.

[01:23:04] And that's a really difficult thing.

[01:23:05] So I do think once I think we reached the point on the beach

[01:23:08] where Hunter's like, you know what?

[01:23:09] The heat's on me. I got to play my idol.

[01:23:12] And I understand wanting to take that move

[01:23:15] and start trying to add a couple branches off of that to go forward with.

[01:23:20] But I think once he does that, now he's in a limbo of like,

[01:23:23] well, did I actually swing the vote?

[01:23:25] Whatever. I think you just got to play it and try to set something out

[01:23:29] with like a cue or just create some chaos.

[01:23:32] Take out like, I guess a ban is not a terrible idea, but even like

[01:23:36] Maria or Charlie, who's super well connected,

[01:23:40] could open the game up more.

[01:23:41] And I think Hunter has the advantage of, like I said, being a challenge threat

[01:23:46] and the idol is going to be re-hidden most likely.

[01:23:49] And so there's a lot of life left in the game

[01:23:52] rather than I guess if you boil it down, even call it a 50-50.

[01:23:56] I'd rather just get use the idol, not risk that 50-50.

[01:24:00] And then maybe the game opens up going forward.

[01:24:04] You got to believe it. I think you got to play it.

[01:24:07] Big mistake that he did.

[01:24:09] He should have. He should have played it. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:24:11] I don't know why they didn't show what happened between the tie

[01:24:15] and the revolt, because they normally show like them talking again

[01:24:19] or like at least discussing.

[01:24:21] Probably there was no progress

[01:24:23] unless they change the rules and you cannot talk because, yeah,

[01:24:27] obviously he didn't play the idol on the second revolt,

[01:24:29] because if you didn't play on the first one, you kind of play it

[01:24:30] on the second one. But I was I miss

[01:24:35] what they talk about after the event happened.

[01:24:38] I don't know. I haven't asked them.

[01:24:41] I want to throw out like a more like a general question of,

[01:24:45] you know, in the new era, I think we've seen a lot more people

[01:24:47] get blindsided with idols than, you know, play an idol successfully.

[01:24:52] And of course, in the shoes of like a hunter or a gem

[01:24:56] who went home with an idol earlier this season,

[01:24:59] it's hard to know when to play as as players that have played.

[01:25:03] And if you have an idol,

[01:25:05] what are some like rules of thumb going into a tribal where it's like,

[01:25:09] hey, maybe I should just play this idol from your experience?

[01:25:14] In my season, when they they play an idol twice while I was

[01:25:19] on tribal, like they Brandon played one in the first episode.

[01:25:23] And that's why he stayed because he was apparently going out.

[01:25:28] That's what Maddie love and I love Maddie.

[01:25:31] But it's knowing and having the conversations

[01:25:35] with the people that you chose the most.

[01:25:38] In my case, Carolyn didn't tell us she was.

[01:25:40] She had an idol, but I had like if anybody has any fear

[01:25:43] and the way she would ask me about what's going on, what's going on?

[01:25:46] Let me know if I can do something.

[01:25:47] You have a little insight of what's going on.

[01:25:51] Just have to ask around what some people mind all the time,

[01:25:55] all the time, all the time, all the time, all the time.

[01:25:57] So when in a tribal council, they change target

[01:26:00] and it's been hidden from you, you know what people were thinking.

[01:26:06] Like it's a weird thing.

[01:26:08] But you have to have information constantly

[01:26:10] and be checking in with everybody and just have the little tingly

[01:26:13] inside that tells you, wait, there's something going on that I don't know.

[01:26:18] And when Carolyn used the idol to save person was like

[01:26:23] the moment when in our game, final six was like,

[01:26:27] this is the moment that the other three can get together and vote us out.

[01:26:31] After this, we got the game.

[01:26:34] We get it. We get into the end.

[01:26:35] So Carolyn, if you have something and she knew she was like

[01:26:38] confirming with me, like if you have something, this is the moment.

[01:26:42] Afterwards, it doesn't matter.

[01:26:44] We don't need it. This is the moment.

[01:26:46] And then on the case with Heidi, she was like,

[01:26:49] I'm going to use it till the moment I can because I want to get

[01:26:51] to the final episode and then she didn't get any votes.

[01:26:53] But it depends on each case.

[01:26:55] Well, you just have to keep like, you know, that little bit like

[01:26:58] be like touching everybody and like breathing and watching them

[01:27:01] and swing the scrambling. And it's weird every every.

[01:27:05] There's no way there's not like a one rule in my opinion.

[01:27:08] But I don't know. I won.

[01:27:13] Would you say that?

[01:27:14] Because I think there's a lot of times where we see

[01:27:18] it's sort of a situation where you do know that it's probably you or someone else.

[01:27:22] And we see players, I mean, not to bring up the great Chris Noble,

[01:27:26] but when he went out with an idol, he knew it was going to be him or Dom.

[01:27:30] And for me, I think, you know, having not played my rule of thumb

[01:27:34] would sort of might be seeing how often idols get misplayed.

[01:27:38] If you know you're catching votes and it's going to be you or someone else,

[01:27:41] you might as well play it and move forward.

[01:27:43] But of course, you might get a read like we saw Hunter

[01:27:46] when Tim went out, did correctly hold his idol.

[01:27:49] But, you know, trying to do that every time really puts yourself in a in a dicey spot.

[01:27:55] It's better use it not needed than needed and not use it.

[01:27:58] Right. Exactly. And that's and that's and that's the thing.

[01:28:00] Like people are very like going back to like everybody want to make a big move.

[01:28:04] Everybody is like saving their idol to make a big move.

[01:28:07] And sometimes the boring move, the safe move is the one that benefits you the most.

[01:28:13] And they're like, you know, because these people are fans.

[01:28:16] These are not people that just like got recruited to go to survive.

[01:28:20] And they're like, I just want to survive one day.

[01:28:21] I'll just use it. I'll just use it and get another one.

[01:28:24] These are people that are like, oh, my God, this is going to be compared

[01:28:26] to to whoever and this and that.

[01:28:29] And this is what I'm going to do. And this is what I'm going to play.

[01:28:31] And that clouds their judgment.

[01:28:34] Yeah, their desire to do something crazy.

[01:28:36] I mean, that happens a lot with like extra votes and like steal votes, too,

[01:28:39] is like people hold on to them because they want to make the perfect move.

[01:28:42] But sometimes that never happens.

[01:28:45] And then you you don't use it when it could have worked for you.

[01:28:48] Right. As James Jones preaches, OK,

[01:28:53] you got to get to the end of when hello and it's in.

[01:28:58] James Jones, I can't tell you how many times

[01:29:04] I have been forced to hear James Jones say that.

[01:29:07] But it's true. And also, James Jones also says, like,

[01:29:11] it's not how you get to the end, but it's about the story

[01:29:14] that you could tell in the end.

[01:29:17] Shout out to James Jones before we wrap this podcast up, though.

[01:29:20] I really want to touch on two things.

[01:29:22] One justice for Dr. Maria.

[01:29:25] What's up with like with like hello, editors?

[01:29:29] My girl is out there and clearly she's a boss.

[01:29:32] Clearly, she is moving and shaking.

[01:29:34] Why are we not seeing her? Yep.

[01:29:38] I feel like I don't know.

[01:29:40] I feel like I've seen some Maria,

[01:29:44] not as much and the professionalized stuff and not,

[01:29:47] but she's always in the mix.

[01:29:48] Like she's in the mix.

[01:29:50] And it's like we know from part one of season forty six.

[01:29:56] She's a mover and a shaker.

[01:29:58] And so it's like we know that she has to be moving

[01:30:01] and shaking behind the scenes.

[01:30:02] I think she and Charlie are like, yeah, but we're just here.

[01:30:06] It would be the movers in the side.

[01:30:07] And don't get me wrong.

[01:30:09] I love me some Charlie. OK, you can shake it off all day.

[01:30:11] Well, like, you know, but I want to see more Dr. Maria.

[01:30:13] Also, number two,

[01:30:16] shout out to my baby boy Ben.

[01:30:19] We haven't been seeing a lot of him.

[01:30:21] However, he was so funny this episode.

[01:30:23] However, right.

[01:30:25] But at tribal

[01:30:28] a turn it on Benjamin, no Ben.

[01:30:33] Benjamin.

[01:30:36] Stood on business and was like, you know, by himself now,

[01:30:40] I'm not sure he make no eye contact to look straight at Jeff.

[01:30:44] Ben said what he said and what did not rock.

[01:30:48] And so I, you know, I just I love Ben.

[01:30:51] I love Ben.

[01:30:52] It's like he's the chillest one.

[01:30:54] But when there's some BS going down,

[01:30:56] he's not afraid to call it out.

[01:30:57] Even his confession at the beginning, just calling out to you like you.

[01:31:00] It's I saw someone say it's sort of like,

[01:31:03] you know, when like the quiet kid in class tells you you're like,

[01:31:06] he's like over your shit.

[01:31:07] You're like, oh, I really got it.

[01:31:09] Like, you're really messed up now.

[01:31:11] Like the nice kid in class is telling you you're white.

[01:31:16] But that's a crazy comparison.

[01:31:19] But like, I get it. But.

[01:31:20] That.

[01:31:22] I was cute in class.

[01:31:25] It's like this, like the class clown that keeps like

[01:31:28] yelling, it's like and they're joking around.

[01:31:30] It's funny, but then it's too much and the teachers getting mad.

[01:31:33] And then the kid who the kids like,

[01:31:36] Ben's like the kids like, hey, we're trying to learn here.

[01:31:40] I've had enough of this.

[01:31:41] Go to timeout, man.

[01:31:43] Could you imagine Q

[01:31:46] fifth grade and a spelling bee?

[01:31:51] What is he spelling?

[01:31:53] Spell cat.

[01:31:55] See, hey.

[01:32:02] No, you got to you got to repeat the first letter.

[01:32:04] I'm going to sit out.

[01:32:05] I'm a sit out.

[01:32:07] I want you to have it.

[01:32:08] I want Jack to have it.

[01:32:10] Oh, my God.

[01:32:11] Oh, right.

[01:32:12] I got it. Right. QQ. I got it.

[01:32:13] I got it. Baltimore.

[01:32:19] Why did you sit out?

[01:32:21] I want to check, but I knew how to spell cat.

[01:32:24] See, I see.

[01:32:25] Hey, hey.

[01:32:27] Oh, so awesome.

[01:32:29] OK, sorry.

[01:32:32] Y'all know Q in fifth grade got set up principles

[01:32:39] for the Q skirt before it was the Q skirt.

[01:32:42] Oh, OK.

[01:32:44] Oh, anyway, you should like sell these Q skirts in the hallway.

[01:32:49] I'm going to be on TV selling these one day.

[01:32:53] Take it off, Q.

[01:32:55] Big mistake, Mr.

[01:32:56] Mr. Brown. Big mistake.

[01:33:00] Your parents go cancel Christmas Q.

[01:33:07] They go right in that the headlines of the paper.

[01:33:11] So last last question, I guess.

[01:33:14] Going to be the final eight.

[01:33:17] What do we think is going to win?

[01:33:21] It's a crazy it's a tough question.

[01:33:23] Perhaps I think the better question is

[01:33:27] who's not going to win, who is not going to win.

[01:33:29] I got three right away.

[01:33:32] Y'all are cold.

[01:33:34] I had a I had a premonition last night that was going to win this season.

[01:33:38] So I'm and that's a dark horse.

[01:33:41] I don't know how. I don't know why.

[01:33:42] But I had a dream that was Ben winning Survivor.

[01:33:46] So maybe it's because he's in L.A.

[01:33:48] this week and I could just sense the energy.

[01:33:51] But the energy of energy.

[01:33:55] I just came up with that, too.

[01:33:56] So I don't know.

[01:33:58] There's there's so many like, right.

[01:34:01] I think we could say probably Venus, Liz and Q unlikely candidates.

[01:34:05] Unlikely.

[01:34:07] I mean, they all they can all sit next to each other.

[01:34:11] I don't Charlie and Charlie, Maria and.

[01:34:16] I think Charlie, Maria, Kenzie and Tiff all could win.

[01:34:21] And then I think Ben, that's my dark horse.

[01:34:24] But all right.

[01:34:25] As much as I want.

[01:34:28] My girl Tiffany to win,

[01:34:31] and I am rooting for her, I feel like her path

[01:34:34] at this point is a little rock.

[01:34:37] It's a hard road.

[01:34:39] Not to say that she can't get to the end, but it's like she has so many

[01:34:41] ops that she don't even know are ops because she Drake right now.

[01:34:46] And Q is Metro Boomin.

[01:34:48] Kenzie is the weekend.

[01:34:53] Dr. Maria is Kendrick Kendrick.

[01:34:57] Charlie is Rick Ross.

[01:35:03] So he's T. Swift.

[01:35:05] But but for real.

[01:35:09] If we're looking at these people and let's name those people

[01:35:11] that you just said, you got Charlie, Maria, Tiffany, Kenzie, Ben.

[01:35:16] Yeah, I think a Seeg is going to win.

[01:35:18] But Kenzie, I agree with Bryce about Tiff.

[01:35:21] I think she's just for really no fault of her own is just in a messy spot.

[01:35:26] That's what happens when Q is your number one.

[01:35:28] Not a messy spot, though, because I just I do really well.

[01:35:30] Not because of her, but she's in it.

[01:35:32] She's in a tough spot like you are a loyal,

[01:35:35] solid and down to earth.

[01:35:38] And like it's like they just turn on you.

[01:35:40] And it's just like

[01:35:42] that just kind of pisses me off about tips game

[01:35:43] because it's like, what has she really done wrong?

[01:35:47] OK, but here's my question.

[01:35:48] Is there a world where people know that Kenzie is turned on her?

[01:35:52] She hates Q.

[01:35:53] Now she flips on everybody and she goes with.

[01:35:57] She saw her idol.

[01:35:58] So anyone else got some wiggle room?

[01:36:00] I mean, I don't know.

[01:36:01] Can they use this Kenzie flip on her to get tips?

[01:36:06] Say Tiffany used their idol list.

[01:36:07] She's going to use her idol next episode.

[01:36:09] She's going to get through.

[01:36:10] Now it's like y'all pick off someone and someone can be like,

[01:36:16] Kenzie was going for you.

[01:36:17] Do they think that Kenzie is a threat out there?

[01:36:19] I feel like there will be a point when these people

[01:36:21] are like, Kenzie is a threat and hunter going.

[01:36:26] Kenzie loses a little bit.

[01:36:27] I just think Kenzie is very well connected.

[01:36:29] But I do agree with you that that's going to be a good.

[01:36:30] I also think especially in the new era, we've seen a lot where

[01:36:35] a public idol could actually be a real asset because now Tiffany's shown

[01:36:39] she she has the cojones to bluff about a idol

[01:36:45] and not use it.

[01:36:46] And so now everyone's going to be like, we can't read Tiff.

[01:36:49] We don't know if she's going to play her idol or not.

[01:36:51] She's kind of dialed in when it comes to is she safe or is she not?

[01:36:56] Maybe we just put Tiff on the back burner for a little bit.

[01:36:59] But before you know it, the back burner becomes the final five

[01:37:02] and she still has her idol.

[01:37:04] It is just a tough path to sort of see how Tiff

[01:37:07] maneuvers votes and also leads enough votes eventually to win the game.

[01:37:12] But I mean, when what do you what do you guys think about

[01:37:15] like the seat, the three Seagulls is that that to me is the strongest.

[01:37:19] It's sort of like Reba last season where there is a sort of a closeness there.

[01:37:23] There's some loyalty there.

[01:37:24] But what's yeah, yeah, they they like I like to see this.

[01:37:27] Yeah, they look good.

[01:37:29] I'm sorry. Looks good.

[01:37:30] Charlie and Maria look good.

[01:37:32] And we've gotten their narrative the whole time again.

[01:37:35] Maria has been under edited.

[01:37:36] Could that be because she's about to get a big spike in her edit?

[01:37:39] Could that be because that's what I think.

[01:37:42] She's about to hit that sweet spot and like go and go and go.

[01:37:45] Yeah, who knows?

[01:37:47] I agree. I agree.

[01:37:48] I think I think the Seagulls are definitely like in the best

[01:37:52] spot right now because they are playing.

[01:37:54] They are not a target.

[01:37:56] They are like I know they talk about them being the target,

[01:37:59] but they're like just chilling and aware and connected.

[01:38:02] Not causing a lot of ruckus, whatever the word is.

[01:38:06] And but I do see people that I think going back

[01:38:10] to the question of who I think is going to win or go to the end and blah,

[01:38:13] I think the best path so far to get to the end, in my opinion,

[01:38:18] definitely can see because in this messy Yano thing,

[01:38:23] she's the one that has a less of a target so far.

[01:38:26] A lot of connections.

[01:38:27] I think she can make it and then she can have a good argument at the end.

[01:38:32] I think the way Maria is edited, just like Wendell said right now,

[01:38:36] I was thinking about that, too.

[01:38:38] They're giving us a glimpse of her playing without it

[01:38:41] making a big thing with the other players.

[01:38:45] So I think there's something there that they're showing little tidbits

[01:38:49] of something she's going to maybe expand on later or something is going to happen.

[01:38:54] And I also think Ben, it's a very likable person.

[01:38:58] And I don't think.

[01:39:00] I mean, they they still are looking at other targets,

[01:39:04] and I think Ben can go through it because Ben hasn't won a challenge.

[01:39:08] Ben is cool. Ben is chilling.

[01:39:10] Ben is not playing, but he's playing, you know, but maybe they notice.

[01:39:15] I know I don't want to make it all about myself,

[01:39:17] but it's very important to know that these people watch my finale

[01:39:22] two days before they went to Fiji.

[01:39:24] It's just like us.

[01:39:26] We watched Marianne win a day before we went to Fiji.

[01:39:30] So they have 44 in their head, you know?

[01:39:33] So that's like soda left, tabbing left, like big happy personalities.

[01:39:38] They don't want 44 to happen again.

[01:39:40] They're playing that anti 44 game

[01:39:43] in my head is the way I'm seeing what's going on.

[01:39:46] But yeah, maybe they see it in bed and they want to kick him out

[01:39:50] because of that, too. I don't know.

[01:39:51] But that also is like you saying that jam,

[01:39:54] in my opinion, makes more sense to Kenzie's move targeting Tiff.

[01:40:00] Right. Like if they just saw the Tinka three get to the end,

[01:40:05] maybe she is trying to like break that curse, not break the curse,

[01:40:10] but like standalone.

[01:40:11] I also feel like it's more important for me.

[01:40:14] I'm watching this jewelry.

[01:40:16] We've got soda. We got heaven.

[01:40:18] We now have Hunter.

[01:40:19] Like, I feel like a lot of nominees. Right.

[01:40:23] So, well, I feel like they will go.

[01:40:27] I feel like if what's the green tribes name?

[01:40:30] Seagull.

[01:40:31] Like, I feel like I don't know if they want a seagull to win.

[01:40:36] So I don't know. I'm just thinking about they don't want Venus.

[01:40:40] Well, I mean, I don't want Venus to lose.

[01:40:43] That's what I'm saying.

[01:40:43] So it's like, oh, I'm looking at who is left and seeing like what

[01:40:48] the projects that what the trajectory of who actually this jewelry

[01:40:54] would vote for, because another thing, shout out to Tevin.

[01:40:56] Maybe he ain't look happy.

[01:40:59] So let's look at it with that eye then, Bryce,

[01:41:02] because now you got we could just look at we could take our top five

[01:41:07] and we can say who is this voting block not going to vote for out of there?

[01:41:11] And that's why I'm saying like if Tip or Kenzie with

[01:41:14] who is out there and they get to the end, I could see them winning

[01:41:17] because it's like being as though that they are the three like

[01:41:21] Seagull in what's the other tribe name?

[01:41:25] Yonu, Nami, Nami.

[01:41:27] Like I don't think they're really coming for them.

[01:41:28] That's it's like for me, it's more if it's a Nami or Yonu or a Seagull up there.

[01:41:34] I feel like that is going to be like where they're like, well,

[01:41:37] that's sort of where Yonu squandered a lot of their advantages.

[01:41:40] They all split up now.

[01:41:41] So they I think they like sort of had some Tika three potential

[01:41:44] where they play both sides and get in good with everybody.

[01:41:47] But it's like now they don't even like each other, really.

[01:41:50] And even Kenzie and Tip were tight and Kenzie wants to turn on this.

[01:41:54] That's why I think with this jury, especially,

[01:41:57] I think we're about to see a bitter jury and I'm not mad at it.

[01:42:01] And I think not only are some of the people that have gone out

[01:42:05] not super happy with the way they went out,

[01:42:08] but we also have players like Avinas, players like Akiu,

[01:42:12] players like Tiff who is mad at Kiu, players in Yonu

[01:42:16] who are going against each other.

[01:42:18] And there's so many players going against each other.

[01:42:20] So many conflicts, I feel like that we're still yet to see

[01:42:23] that by the time we reach the final three.

[01:42:25] That's why I think maybe a guy like Ben or a guy or Maria or Charlie,

[01:42:30] who really have made no enemies with anybody and are very likable people.

[01:42:34] If they just sit next to people that people don't like,

[01:42:36] that's sort of how you get that

[01:42:39] Bob Crowley with that sort of how you get like

[01:42:43] with some more respect from Bob.

[01:42:46] Well, that's probably that's not a disrespect.

[01:42:48] That's more of like a disrespect.

[01:42:50] That's you maneuver your way to the end with people

[01:42:52] that the jury doesn't want to vote for, which is kind of a clear cut strategy

[01:42:56] to win, kind of like Fabio Nicaragua.

[01:42:58] Like just but it don't it don't say I don't like the way you sound.

[01:43:03] But I'd like let's be if Ben ends up winning this season,

[01:43:07] it's probably not going to be because he turned on the mastermind

[01:43:10] strategic moves in the final eight.

[01:43:13] It's going to be because he positions himself in a way

[01:43:16] to get to the end with like Venus and Q.

[01:43:19] And everyone's like, well, we really like Ben.

[01:43:22] We not huge fans of Q or Venus.

[01:43:25] So we're going to vote for bad and you win a million dollars.

[01:43:28] And that's that's a good deal in my mind.

[01:43:31] Yeah, I regardless if I'm out there, I'm not letting Q get to the end

[01:43:36] because a

[01:43:39] y'all need to take you out, because again, being around Q,

[01:43:43] seeing him actually in person and like, you know,

[01:43:46] and even in this tribal, Tiffany still didn't even write his name down.

[01:43:50] She still went with Hunter.

[01:43:51] Like I just.

[01:43:55] Yeah, like I keep saying Tony from Kageyan.

[01:43:57] There is a world where people may not like what he has done,

[01:44:01] but he won't get up there and say

[01:44:03] he ran for president, he flew a helicopter, he can fly.

[01:44:08] Does the jury believe that question?

[01:44:11] But again, like on the outside.

[01:44:13] Yeah, like I'm saying, Jack, you're saying a bitter,

[01:44:15] you're saying a bitter jury, but also for me,

[01:44:18] a bitter jury means an emotional jury.

[01:44:21] Yeah, I'm not saying that negatively.

[01:44:23] I'm not saying it's so right.

[01:44:24] So again, I'm with Venus and Liz at the end.

[01:44:27] I mean, I don't know because I don't know because Mother eats.

[01:44:30] Mother eats. I don't know.

[01:44:31] You probably went to final three,

[01:44:33] but I think that's the only final three that he went.

[01:44:35] Yeah. It's say if that is the final three, Q will win the game.

[01:44:39] But baby Venus would skyrocket to a Kelly Wentworth,

[01:44:44] to a part two, like, you know that

[01:44:49] Venus is already on the trajectory, I think, to be a losing finalist.

[01:44:52] And that's not going to put her in the conversation with part of it.

[01:44:55] Kelly went with Jack.

[01:44:57] Do you not know how these things work?

[01:44:59] Like there's all the way in terms of in terms of mother status

[01:45:02] or in terms of survivor gamesmanship

[01:45:05] and storms of mother status with.

[01:45:07] Oh, oh, yeah.

[01:45:09] No, she's already up there in in alleged mother status.

[01:45:13] I can't question that. That's not mine.

[01:45:15] I thought you were talking about if she goes to the end

[01:45:19] and doesn't win, she'd be as good of a player as Parvati or Kelly Wentworth.

[01:45:22] I was like.

[01:45:24] No, but maybe the stands are standard.

[01:45:27] No, Venus is great TV and I could see why people stan her.

[01:45:32] So I misinterpreted it.

[01:45:33] OK, I had another one for you.

[01:45:35] Q Venus bed.

[01:45:38] I think.

[01:45:40] I think I think I think Q has an argument, though,

[01:45:42] and he might get some votes.

[01:45:44] Yeah, because nobody's like nobody messes with Q like right now.

[01:45:50] Well, Q OK, in real life, this man is on it.

[01:45:54] He's very successful. He does his thing.

[01:45:57] I disagree.

[01:45:57] I've seen him on the phone, like making his deals,

[01:46:00] his phones ringing off the hook.

[01:46:01] And I'm like, oh, I see that person like the way he talks on the island.

[01:46:06] I'm like, oh, I've seen him talk to people like this on his business calls.

[01:46:09] Now, the only thing I'm saying is I will not put anything

[01:46:14] past Q sitting at the end.

[01:46:16] I think that this man is a lot.

[01:46:19] I think he has the ability to OK.

[01:46:22] He tried to quit.

[01:46:24] He woke up on the island still snap back in.

[01:46:27] All right. I want to play again.

[01:46:28] I think that if he lands at the end, he's going to snap back in

[01:46:32] and he's going to make a very would be fun to watch him at final travel.

[01:46:35] Yeah, I just don't know.

[01:46:36] I mean, he'll be fun.

[01:46:38] I don't think it's voting for him.

[01:46:39] I don't think a you be surprised Venus is voting for him.

[01:46:43] I don't think he'll get up there and say he's that he is one of 17.

[01:46:48] One thing does not you could say you masterminded everything,

[01:46:51] but that doesn't make it true.

[01:46:52] Yeah, but have evidence he could bring my I don't think it can happen.

[01:46:57] But I'm just saying like there is evidence that he can say everything

[01:47:00] that he's going to do.

[01:47:01] Talk about his upbringing being being one of 17.

[01:47:04] I would love to see him.

[01:47:06] I don't know. He will.

[01:47:07] He will give us.

[01:47:09] Yeah, no, I would love.

[01:47:10] I mean, him that would be a wild final.

[01:47:13] Try like him. Venus and Ben would be a competitive,

[01:47:17] chaotic, messy final tribal.

[01:47:20] And I would be curious to see that.

[01:47:21] And Q has shifted the game numerous times.

[01:47:25] Kind of as Q has directed the trajectory of the game numerous times.

[01:47:30] But I'm curious to see if you can really do that again at this point

[01:47:33] in the game.

[01:47:33] Q has not directed the trajectory of the game.

[01:47:37] Q put the game in a blender and press.

[01:47:47] I don't even know what the game look like right now.

[01:47:50] He ain't changed no direction.

[01:47:51] Are we still playing Survivor?

[01:47:54] This is Q Viber.

[01:47:56] He put the Q Viber.

[01:47:58] Oh, my God. Don't ever say Q Viber again.

[01:48:00] Q Viber. Yeah.

[01:48:02] Not Survivor. It's Q Viber.

[01:48:04] It's Q Viber.

[01:48:06] But Jam, we thank you so much for taking the time out of your busy schedule.

[01:48:09] Oh, my God. Thank you.

[01:48:10] On the podcast with us, Jack, as always.

[01:48:13] Thank you so much, Wendyzi.

[01:48:15] You're the best.

[01:48:16] We will see everyone in Boston on May 8th.

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